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[zengiman]

Thought you'd like to know what happened today

[logic]

Nice to hear he is unhurtable

[Ghostrider]

It screwed up Wirdheim's test tomorrow. :

[Dead Sexy]

Richards probably didn't sleep a wink last night.

[RRT1963]

Just trying to make soon-to-be-teammate Takuma Sato comfortable.

[MaxScelerate]

Hmm..

Jenson, seemingly unhurt, will get to race...
Wirdheim will get his test, though it'll be later..
Takuma will get his seat, it seems. (for him).. (me I'm in the : )
Richards will get to sleep.

[wati]

Originally posted by logic
Nice to hear he is unhurtable

Is he the new Terminator?

You ment unhurt, right?

Wattie

[Rene]

Glad to hear that he is ok!

[flyer72]

Button needs to stop crashing cars! Not good for his health!

[glorius&victorius]

Are we seeing an increase in crashes with injuries?

[RJL]

er, no...

[RTH]

However strong the cars now are , high speed heavy impacts will still cause brain damage and just like a boxer it is cumulative.

It probably time for a compulsory lay off for a fixed period of recovery and healing process after exposure to a pre-determined level of G force otherwise we may well see 'punch drunk' old drivers with dementure in later life .

When the cars used to fold up drivers had enforced lay off while broken bones healed, and cornering G loadings with all this current downforce have never been so high. Mr Button would do well to consider his long term wellbeing.

[RJL]

That's two heavy crashes for JB this year. Hopefully he'll consider changing his approach just a little to ensure his long term viability in the series.

[Peter Perfect]

Originally posted by RJL
That's two heavy crashes for JB this year. Hopefully he'll consider changing his approach just a little to ensure his long term viability in the series.

The minute he's content to cruise around is the minute he should step out of F1.

[RJL]

I'm afraid you miss my implication. What I'm saying is that a second major knock on the head within a short period of time of the one he suffered in Monaco could end Mr. Button's career right here, right now, this season. He would do well to consider that with only two races to go in the season.

BTW I did not say he should "cruise", but rather he should "consider changing his appoach". Very different . Many young drivers before him have done this with great success. Two recent examples that come to mind are RS & JPM, neither of whom are as wild as they used to be, and as a result, are far more effective. Suffering a huge testing crash because you put a wheel off in the grass is exposing yourself to unecessary risk with absolutely nothing to gain, not to mention imprecise & expensive. Anybody who's spent time at the track (2 wheels or 4) will tell you that oftentimes the best way to go faster is to quit rushing and be more precise.

[RTH]

In the 1960's NASA did a great deal of research in a centrifuge exposing men to various G loadings for jet pilots and space travel their research concuded for contiuous exposure only 1 1/2 G was an acceptable level (not safe ) . In Stirling Moss' day he never experienced more than 1 G .

Today cornering in an F1 car produces 4 G with spikes of 8g and sudden G reversal as the car goes left - right - left maybe on modern mickey mouse circuits 12 times every 90 secs .

The telemetry on Button's car recorded 46 G as his car crashed at Monaco .
Firman currently has vertigo
Ralf is unable to drive
The current cars are literally 'Doing the driver's heads in '

[jonovision_man]

Originally posted by RTH
In Stirling Moss' day he never experienced more than 1 G .

You do more than 1G when you stand up from a sitting position...

I assume you meant lateral, though.

jono

[scheivlak]

Originally posted by RTH
In the 1960's NASA did a great deal of research in a centrifuge exposing men to various G loadings for jet pilots and space travel their research concuded for contiuous exposure only 1 1/2 G was an acceptable level (not safe ) . In Stirling Moss' day he never experienced more than 1 G .

Today cornering in an F1 car produces 4 G with spikes of 8g and sudden G reversal as the car goes left - right - left maybe on modern mickey mouse circuits 12 times every 90 secs .

The telemetry on Button's car recorded 46 G as his car crashed at Monaco .
Firman currently has vertigo
Ralf is unable to drive
The current cars are literally 'Doing the driver's heads in '

It looks like you're mixing things up. NASA's data about continuous exposure is of course a totally different story than the sudden reversal of G's in micky mouse tracks. And crashing into the trees in 1958 could produce 46G as well or even more.
Stirling Moss never experiencing more than 1G? Would surprise me. Of course jonovision is right, but I would also be very surprised if he never encountered more than 1 G laterally. In his days, there were far more fast long corners (Burnenville etc) than nowadays with all our chicanes and Tilke-tracks. And those are the real G-hitters.

[Dmitriy_Guller]

Originally posted by scheivlak

It looks like you're mixing things up. NASA's data about continuous exposure is of course a totally different story than the sudden reversal of G's in micky mouse tracks. And crashing into the trees in 1958 could produce 46G as well or even more.
Stirling Moss never experiencing more than 1G? Would surprise me. Of course jonovision is right, but I would also be very surprised if he never encountered more than 1 G laterally. In his days, there were far more fast long corners (Burnenville etc) than nowadays with all our chicanes and Tilke-tracks. And those are the real G-hitters.

You can generate only as much g forces as tires allow you.

[HP]

Originally posted by glorius&victorius
Are we seeing an increase in crashes with injuries?

And this despite the introduction of HANS.

I would think that the tyre competition pushes the cornerning speeds. At the same time cars get lighter, and we've seen a few supsension failures. Coincidence?

[RTH]

Originally posted by HP
And this despite the introduction of HANS.

I would think that the tyre competition pushes the cornerning speeds. At the same time cars get lighter, and we've seen a few supsension failures. Coincidence?

The HANS device is no protection at all for the brain ( which is the consistency of jelly ) striking the inside of the scull .

It is nearly 2 tons of downforce from the wings pressing the tyres in to the tarmac which is creating the very high cornering speeds . If you took the wings off the current cars they would struggle to go round the corners at half the present MPH and thus when they went out of control mid corner would hit the barriers at half the present speed and force.

If they had slick tyres instead of the present grooved in a spin on tarmac they would also scrub off vastly more speed than the current tyres allow , and in many cases with - thank goodness this years trend to tarmacing over gravel traps , many more cars would harmlessly spin to a halt without hitting anything and be able to rejoin the race. All safety measures are in the hands of the FIA and can be introduced with no notice or any rule change proceedure. Inertia from this quarter I fear will mean we will need to wait for a serious high profile crash before anything is done sad to say.