43 replies to this topic

[Herbert]

There are several books about F1 which include chassis numbers. Do you know something similar about Indy Car/Champ Car-Racing? Sheldon perhaps?
Did anybody ever record them?

Thanks for your help!

Herbert

[John B]

Herbert,

I wonder if the Autocourse CART yearbooks contain this information? I haven't seen one, but surely someone here must have one or more of their editions....

[Rainer Nyberg]

At least the 1983-1995 Indy 500 Year Books (Hungness) included chassis numbers for the participating cars.

[Gerr]

Herbert, I don't know of a book, some, later Hungness Indy 500 yearbooks had chassis numbers with the qualifying photos. On Track magazine used to have chassis numbers in the CART race reports. Bob Laycock had his card file. IMS has records. But many of the cars (usually american-built ) never had chassis numbers or ID plates.

Are you looking for info on a specific chassis ?

[theunions]

Originally posted by John B
I wonder if the Autocourse CART yearbooks contain this information? I haven't seen one, but surely someone here must have one or more of their editions....

I have every single edition from 1993 to the present. None of them contain this information.

[Allen Brown]

And Grand Prix International's report on the 1984 (IIRC) Long Beach race had chassis numbers.

Before 1983, I know of no published sources. Which is a pity, as pre-83 is the period I'm interested in.

Allen

[Don Capps]

Originally posted by Gerr
Herbert, I don't know of a book, some, later Hungness Indy 500 yearbooks had chassis numbers with the qualifying photos. On Track magazine used to have chassis numbers in the CART race reports. Bob Laycock had his card file. IMS has records. But many of the cars (usually american-built ) never had chassis numbers or ID plates.

Some of us have been trying to piece together as much of this as we can over the past several years. T'aint easy, MacGee. As stated, there is some information floating around out there, but it is often a headache to find. We have discussed this elsewhere, but it seems that much of the material that belongs in the archives somewhere for researchers -- the Bob Laycock card file, the AAA and USAC tech spec sheets and plates, and so forth seem to be missing, incomplete, or on "close hold."

Again, several here have done heroic work in attempting to sort out the data and track individual chassis. The Kurtis Kraft Indy record and the Watson roadsters are among the few we really have a true clue about. After that it becomes Seriously Hard. But, there is always a bit of progress that happens to encourage you to do more work....

[Henri Greuter]

Not all hungess books have the chassis numbers, regrettably.
The best source is indeed the old Bob Laycock card system which, I believe is now maintained by Donald Davidson. Unless the IMS press room kept that goldmine for themselves after all. Laycock's grandson also works for them so....

But I assume that you are interested in other races than Indy only as well? The Autocourses occasionally slip in a number within the sneppets section of the race itself.


Henri Greuter

[Herbert]

I`m looking especially for the Chassis-numbers of the 1960s and 70s. It's really strange that it is so difficult to obtain this information for the Americans are very statistic-minded. They have stats about everything!
A lot of help would be to have some kind of chassis-desigation. Phil Harms great race results do not include them in most of the cases. For instance in all results of the 70s there is no special chassis-type mentioned. It is always written for example "Eagle-Offy" or "Eagle-Chevy" etc.
Sometimes but very seldom a year is included, like "Eagle 74-Offy". But it is all very vague.

It`s a shame that the AUTOcourse Yearbooks (I have all of them, too) do not include Chassis-numbers. They are included in their F1-counterpart. Why couldn`t they also add them to CART-yearbooks?
Also the "Man and Machines of Indycar-Racing"-series from 1987 to 1993 does not include chassis-numbers.

[Don Capps]

Herbert,

Search through the old TNF threads and you will read a sad, sad tale when it comes to the information you are seeking. More than a few of us could rattle on for hours about this subject. The lack of information as to the specificity of the individual chassis and their stories/histories in AAA, USAC, CART, and the IRL is in stark contrast to what one might expect from the reams of data otherwise devoted to this form of racing.

I have had to place a hold on some of my work simply because of a lack of time lately, not a lack of interest. Gerr, "Fines," Jim, Henri, Phil, and others are a wealth of knowledge and are doing what can be done under the circumstances.

Needless to say, it is easy for one's frustrations to bubble up very quickly on this topic....

[fines]

Indeed...

To be more specific: I think I have quite a good handle on 50s cars, but 60s are a nightmare, and 70s worse...

[Don Capps]

Originally posted by fines
Indeed...

To be more specific: I think I have quite a good handle on 50s cars, but 60s are a nightmare, and 70s worse...

Amen.

[Allen Brown]

Originally posted by fines
To be more specific: I think I have quite a good handle on 50s cars, but 60s are a nightmare, and 70s worse...

Mid-70s were all Eagles weren't they? We need AAR's production records. And where are the McLaren records? All the M16s and M24s were built in-house by McLaren rather than by Trojan, weren't they? Doug??

Allen

[Don Capps]

This is making me think that I really need to finally bite the bullet and create the Access database I have been meaning to devise to help track all those chassis I have notes on. I did sketch it out some time ago, but just never worked in the data. Maybe I can add a bit to this discussion in the not too distant future. (Plus, I'll do the same for the NASCAR material while I am at it in another database.)

I will make it a point to see about the 1960's/1970's and see what I can sort out from the patterns that might emerge doing it this way.

[Henri Greuter]

years ago I did sort out the careers at Indy of the different M16's in existance, problem is that I don't know the original chassis numbers given to the cars. Also some confusion about the Penske owned cars.
If there is interest for it, I can try to compile that list and post it somewhere, or mail it to Don and see what hee can do with it?
But honestly, I think more serious McLaren fans may have done similar work already and more complete then my records are too.

Can you give me an advice what to do Don?


Henri Greuter

[Allen Brown]

Originally posted by Henri Greuter
years ago I did sort out the careers at Indy of the different M16's in existance, problem is that I don't know the original chassis numbers given to the cars. Also some confusion about the Penske owned cars.
If there is interest for it, I can try to compile that list and post it somewhere, or mail it to Don and see what hee can do with it?
But honestly, I think more serious McLaren fans may have done similar work already and more complete then my records are too.

Can you give me an advice what to do Don?


Henri Greuter

Henri

I think that list would be very useful - could you post it here on on a new thread? Maybe we can then get someone with good relations with McLaren to see if they can access the original production records. It may also be possible to work backwards from the chassis plates on the cars today. Two or three of these cars are in fairly well known collections.

Allen

[Aanderson]

Originally posted by Herbert
There are several books about F1 which include chassis numbers. Do you know something similar about Indy Car/Champ Car-Racing? Sheldon perhaps?
Did anybody ever record them?

Thanks for your help!

Herbert

For starters, not all Indy car builders assigned serial numbers to their chassis, not even sure that Offenhauser ever assigned numbers to engines (not that this would have meant much past a race or two, as crankcases and cylinder blocks got changed out frequently). This, I think, would have been true certainly of those who built perhaps one car ever year or so, not even sure that AJ Watson ever assigned any chassis numbers to his cars.

Frank Kurtis, the first of the series-builders of oval track race cars after WW-II did assign chassis numbers, even stamping them into specially made nameplates. Dan Gurney's All American Racers did as well.

Art Anderson

[Henri Greuter]

Allen Brown quote:

Henri

I think that list would be very useful - could you post it here on on a new thread? Maybe we can then get someone with good relations with McLaren to see if they can access the original production records. It may also be possible to work backwards from the chassis plates on the cars today. Two or three of these cars are in fairly well known collections.



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Allen,

I've opened the thread on that but are not halfway yet. will add a second part to complete it,

Henri

[Jim Thurman]

Originally posted by Don Capps

I have had to place a hold on some of my work simply because of a lack of time lately, not a lack of interest. Gerr, "Fines," Jim, Henri, Phil, and others are a wealth of knowledge and are doing what can be done under the circumstances.

Needless to say, it is easy for one's frustrations to bubble up very quickly on this topic....

With all due respect Don, I truly don't feel I belong on that list of esteemed names on this subject...as I am almost as completely in the dark as anyone else! (just ask fines about being able to answer queries along those lines )

Not that I'm averse to this sort of topic and project, I certainly consider it a worthy (if daunting) task, and as always, would be willing to help even though I actually consider my area of interest and expertise more the drivers and tracks (and even more obscurely, Western U.S. short track racing). This comes not from lack of knowing how or where to check, nor lack of interest, but from lack of access and the same lack of time you have.

That being said, I would have much more to contribute as far as NASCAR chassis passed on down through NASCAR's Western series (I can see fines now , rolling his eyes and muttering about the bloody taxi cabs ) This is simply due to familiarity, material at hand and even some good contacts.

And I also mentioned in the Before We Lose Track thread, where one might be able to similarly track down former NASCAR Cup chassis that found their way to ARCA and the relatively short lived Sportsman division...though it will not be easy to track down now!

But thanks again for the mention and kind words, though on this particular subject (Champ/Indy chassis), I don't feel it's deserved.


Jim Thurman

[fines]

bloody taxi cabs...

[Jim Thurman]

Originally posted by fines
bloody taxi cabs...

Hopefully, in your eyes I can atone for my transgression by my efforts on U.S. short track single seater racing


Jim Thurman

[Don Capps]

Apparently the last installments of the John Glenn Printz "A History of National Championship Racing" -- parts two and three of the 1966 season -- that I have been to find were in the April and May 1985 issues of Indy Car Racing magazine. I either overlooked the first part or it wasn't available it seems at the IMRRC.

In addition, thanks to the IMRRC, I have whatever chassis numbers that were known for events held during the 1984 season.

The effort continues.....

[m.tanney]

  We have Phil Harms, now is there any chance of our getting Mr. Printz and his colleagues Ken McMacken and Jim O'Keefe onto The Nostalgia Forum? Is anyone in contact with any of those gentlemen?

[theunions]

Originally posted by m.tanney
  We have Phil Harms, now is there any chance of our getting Mr. Printz and his colleagues Ken McMacken and Jim O'Keefe onto The Nostalgia Forum? Is anyone in contact with any of those gentlemen?

Isn't Mr. Printz deceased?

[fines]

I have been in contact with Jim O'Keefe, about three or four letters to and fro, but that was at least ten, maybe fifteen years ago! Somewhere I should still have his address, must try to find it - but I'm in no position to know if it's still valid

[Don Capps]

My story is about the same as Michael's, several separate exchanges with Jim O'Keefe and John Printz, but all ages ago, 10-15 years at least. I recall Paul Sheldon and I mentioning this very topic in letters from some years ago as well, Paul encouraging me to please dig into this topic......

[cabianca]

This is the disgrace of American oval racing, that no one has assembled this record even for the top level of US racing. It's even more upsetting, because those who have access to records that might help don't seem to give a damn. Does anyone on this forum feel close enough to Donald Davidson to approach him about how those who are interested might proceed.

[m.tanney]

  It seems that many of us travelled the same roads, ignorant of oneanother's presence, in the pre-internet days. Now, thanks to TNF and the Yahoo groups (American and Canadian), we are able to collaborate, rather than duplicate each other's efforts. I wonder how many letters/phone calls Printz, O'Keefe, McMaken and Freeman (whom I forgot to mention in my last post) received from people interested in the history of American championship racing.
  I spoke to John Printz about ten years ago. At the time, he was working at Wayne State University in Detroit. He may still be there. Around the same time, I corresponded with Joe Freeman. I don't have his address anymore, but he shouldn't be too hard to find as he is now the vice-president of the Society of Automotive Historians. I found both men to be patient, helpful and, of course, extremely knowledgeable.
  I searched the past posts on Yahoo's American Racing History Group. A couple of years ago, there was a discussion about their work. At the time, Phil Harms* was in contact with Joe Freeman. According to Phil, the best way to contact Jim O'Keefe was through Mr. Freeman. O'Keefe and Freeman have long been at work on a book on American Auto Racing winners. I wondered then, and wonder now, what its status is. Like Freeman and O'Keefe, Pritz and McMaken were close collaborators. Although Mr. Printz was mentioned in a number of posts from 2001 and 2002, there was no mention of his having passed away.
  I do not know Donald Davidson, but I do not think that one has to be close to him in order to ask for assistance. About ten years ago, I spoke to him on the phone and exchanged correspondence with him. I found him to be extremely open, helpful and, of course, knowledgeable. I have no doubt that he could be of help with regard to chassis numbers and identifications from the years he's been around the Speedway (1965+, I believe). I don't know what he would have. I doubt that the Speedway kept track of such things. As far as the AAA's racing records are concerned, I believe that all of the records that have survived have found their way onto Gordon White's microfilms.

Mike

P.S. Where is Phil? He hasn't posted on TNF since August. I thought he would be all over this thread.

[Don Capps]

Originally posted by cabianca
This is the disgrace of American oval racing, that no one has assembled this record even for the top level of US racing. It's even more upsetting, because those who have access to records that might help don't seem to give a damn. Does anyone on this forum feel close enough to Donald Davidson to approach him about how those who are interested might proceed.

Michael,

I think there are many who couldn't agree more with you. Phil Harms has been very generous with the material he has, as well as his time, for which I am personally most grateful. Another Big Ditto to Gordon White for supplying -- to me and others on microfilm, whatever materials that escaped the Big Purge at the Contest Board's office in 1955.

I am not sure that I can say too much right now, but Bill Green (the historian of the IMRRC) and I are working on an approach to this issue as we speak. We are going to try an approach that we hope might lead to greater access of the sorts of materials that scholars like us need to tell the story that isn't being told.

That there exists a real sense of ownership of whatever material there is -- the "proprietary" view of history and its archives -- is a fact of life that we must somehow deal with in a fashion that allows not only the story to be told, but for scholars to flesh it out. For reasons to do with certain "artifacts" being viewed as investments, control over various bits and pieces of information is paramount to having a measure of influence over a piece of the market. This is not simply a case of a professional journalist being reluctant to share materials he wants to market in book form, but somehow seems to be lots more complicated.

As a result of Michael's blistering statement, perhaps I should shift my primary focus on this topic and hope for the support of those on the TNF to see what can be done to actually "produce" something.

[Don Capps]

Mike,

Our posts crossed in the ether, but a another great post on how we all seemed to be working this on parallel paths, but now have the ability to begin to better use the collaborative tools offered by the internet and TNF. I don't think Donald Davidson is the problem. He gets a bad rap -- mea culpa -- that is almost always born out of frustation that has nothing to do with Davidson, but he is the most convenient target and so, splat!

Thanks for mentioning Joe Freeman. He slipped my mind as well. I think that Printz, O'Keefe, McMaken, and Freeman are all still out there working away. Add Phil Harms and the others here at TNF as well as the other Virtual Scholars and perhaps there are enough to either get something done or spoil the broth -- take your pick. What is at the bottom of all this is the laboreous, boring digging through the layers of Stuff to find those tiny nuggets....and the chronicles to put the story in its context.

However, we still don't have The Story although Dick Wallen is still plugging away at helping providing materials for the bookshelf to aid both in the effort and fire imaginations of those who wouldthen join the fray.....

[Don Capps]

For those interested, it appears that the Huffaker space frame cars for 1964 & 1965 were Genie Mk. 9's and the monocoque cars for 1966 were Genie Mk. 12's.

I finally ordered the latest Dick Wallen book, the one of the 1970's, and looking forward to it showing up in the next week or so.

In between other things last night, I worked some on 1984, outlining the eace reports and adding the chassis numbers and so forth to the material.

Should anyone be interested, I have the Phil Harms data, my relevant RVM articles, some of the NASCAR Speedway material, some of the Formula SCCA/ Formula A/5000 material, and other similar material in an MS Word document that is well in the territory of over three thousand pages and climbing -- without much of the other material which I hope to add. Ask and you shall receive a copy. Please keep in mind that this is material that Phil Harms labored to assemble and credit should be given where credit is due -- Phil Harms.

Perhaps we might want to consider this as the baseline for consolidating our collaborative efforts.

[fines]

Originally posted by m.tanney
O'Keefe and Freeman have long been at work on a book on American Auto Racing winners. I wondered then, and wonder now, what its status is.

Michael, I believe the book was to be about worldwide race winners, as Jim asked me for some information on German races, which I duly supplied. I, too, wondered what became of the project...

And yes, where's Phil Harms when you need him?

Don, is the 70s Wallen book out already? It's a must-have, no doubt...

Btw, I, too, am working off the Harms records - what better way to start? At the mo my files are in a somewhat messy state, but I promised to forward them to anyone interested as soon as they contain some meaningful input from my side - and I'm sticking to it!

[Don Capps]

Well, here is what I have for the first two events in 1984 (rough draft) as of tonight:

The 1984 Season



 



PPG Indy Car World Series

Round Number One



Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach

Long Beach Grand Prix Course

Long Beach, California

1 April 1984



Distance: 112 laps of 1.67-mile street circuit for 187.040 miles.

Weather: Sunny, cool	

Attendance: 55,000

Pole Speed: 90.729 mph



Qualifying

1st	1 min 06.263 sec		Mario Andretti, Lola Cosworth

2nd	1 min 06.904 sec		Derek Daly, March Cosworth

3rd	1 min 07.341 sec		Teo Fabi, March Cosworth

4th	1 min 07.445 sec		Al Unser Junior, March Cosworth

5th	1 min 07.454 sec		Roberto Guerreo, March Cosworth

6th	1 min 07.460 sec		Michael Chandler, Eagle Pontiac

7th	1 min 07.580 sec		Michael Andretti, March Cosworth

8th	1 min 07.729 sec		Geoff Brabham, March Cosworth

9th	1 min 08.098 sec		Bruno Giacomelli, Theodore Cosworth

10th	1 min 08.662 sec		Jim Crawford, Theodore Cosworth

11th	1 min 08.678 sec		Jacquesues Villeneuve, March Cosworth

12th	1 min 08.935 sec		Emerson Fittipaldi, March Cosworth

13th	1 min 08.959 sec		Bobby Rahal, March Cosworth

14th	1 min 09.000 sec		Danny Sullivan, Shierson Cosworth

15th	1 min 09.054 sec		Tom Sneva, March Cosworth

16th	1 min 09.135 sec		John Paul Junior, Penske Cosworth

17th	1 min 09.197 sec		Howdy Holmes, March Cosworth

18th	1 min 09.417 sec		Rick Mears, Penske Cosworth

19th	1 min 09.675 sec		Pete Halsmer, Penske Cosworth

20th	1 min 09.832 sec		Al Holbert, March Cosworth

21st	1 min 09.912 sec		Kevin Cogan, Ligier Cosworth

22nd	1 min 10.034 sec		Gordon Johncock, Wildcat Cosworth

23rd	1 min 10.231 sec		John Morton, Eagle Chevrolet

24th	1 min 09.629 sec*	Al Unser, Senior, Penske Cosworth (* March Cosworth)

25th	1 min 10.257 sec		Josele Garza, Penske Cosworth (Promoter’s Option)

26th	1 min 10.542 sec		Ed Pimm, March Chevrolet (Promoter’s Option)

27th	1 min 10.629 sec		Chris Kneifel, Primus Cosworth 

28th	1 min 10.793 sec		Tony Bettenhausen, Junior, March Cosworth 

29th	1 min 11.242 sec		Desire Wilson, March Cosworth 

30th	1 min 11.363 sec		Chip Ganassi, Wildcat Cosworth (Promoter’s Option)

31st	1 min 12.232 sec		Danny Ongais, March Cosworth 

32nd	1 min 12.496 sec		Steve Chassey, Eagle Chevrolet 

33rd	1 min 12.519 sec		Dick Simon, March Cosworth (Promoter’s Option)

34th	1 min 12.737 sec		Roger Mears, March Cosworth (fuel injector problems)

35th	1 min 13.662 sec		Bill Alsup, Argo Cosworth 

36th	1 min 14.438 sec		Bill Tempero, Longhorn Cosworth 

37th	1 min 14.498 sec		Dick Ferguson, Eagle Cosworth 

38th	1 min 17.208 sec		Phil Caliva, March Cosworth

39th	1 min 17.318 sec 		Johnny Parsons, Junior, Penske Cosworth



Results

1st	Mario Andretti

	No. 3 Newman-Haas Racing Budweiser Lola T800 ‘HU01’ VDS Cosworth DFX

	112 laps, 2 hr 15 min 23.0 sec, 82.989 mph

2nd	Geoff Brabham

	No. 18 Kraco Racing Team Electrolux Kraco Car Stereo March 84C Cosworth DFX

	112 laps, 2 hr 16 min 26.2 sec

3rd	Ton Sneva

	No. 4 Mayer Motor Racing Texaco Star March 84C ‘15’ McLaren Cosworth DFX

	111 laps

4th	Jim Crawford

	No. 78 Wachs Motorsports United Breweries International Theodore T84 ‘2’ Cosworth DFX

	111 laps

5th	Emerson Fittipaldi

	No. 47, W.I.T. Racing Promotions March 83C ‘08’ Cosworth DFX

	110 laps

6th	Jacques Villeneuve

	No. 76, Performance Engineering Canadian Tire March 83C ‘06’ Cosworth DFX

	109 laps

7th	Derek Daly

	No. 17, Provimi Racing Provimi Veal March 84C ‘02’ Cosworth DFX

	109 laps

8th	Pete Halsmer

	No. 11, Arciero Racing Mola Development Penske PC10B ‘009’ Penske Cosworth DFX

	107 laps

9th	John Morton

	No. 85, Centerline Racing Centerline Wheels Eagle 83 ‘03’ Milodon Chevrolet 

	106 laps

10th	Michael Andretti

	No. 99, Kraco Racing Electrolux Kraco Car Stereo March 84C Cosworth DFX

	105 laps

	Start: 7th, 1min 07.580sec

11th	Gordon Johncock

	No. 20, Patrick Racing Team STP Oil Treatment Wildcat PR9 ‘04’ Cosworth DFX

	104 laps

12th	Ed Pimm

	No. 64, Jet Engineering March 83C ‘21’ Jet Chevrolet 

	79 laps, halfshaft

13th	Howdy Holmes

	No. 41, Mayer Motor Racing Jiffy Mixes March 84C ‘12’ McLaren Cosworth DFX

	77 laps, crash

14th	Bobby Rahal

	No. 5, TrueSports Company Racing 7-Eleven Red Roof Inns March 84C ‘06’ VDS Cosworth DFX

	70 laps, crash

15th	Al Holbert

	No. 21, Alex Foods Racing CRC Red Roof Inns Alex Foods March 84C ‘20’ McLaren Cosworth DFX

	70 laps, engine

16th	Michael Chandler

	No. 88, All American Racers Dubonnet Mike Curb Records Eagle 84 ‘01’ AAR Pontiac 

	57 laps, gearbox

17th	Al Unser, Junior

	No. 7, Galles Racing Coors Light March 84C ‘17’ Falconer Cosworth DFX

	53 laps, electrical

18th	Teo Fabi

	No. 33, Forsythe Racing Skoal Bandit March 84C ‘16’ Chaparral Cosworth DFX

	51 laps, spin

19th	Dick Simon

	No. 22, Pink-Simon Racing Break Free March 84C ‘22’ Cosworth DFX

	49 laps, linkage

20th	John Paul, Junior

	No. 8, VDS Associates Circle Bar Truck Corral Penske PC10B ‘010’ VDS Cosworth DFX

	35 laps, lost wheel

21st	Rick Mears

	No. 6, Penske Racing Pennzoil Penske PC12 ‘002’ Penske Cosworth DFX

	27 laps, fuel pickup 

22nd	Al Unser, Senior

	No. 1, Penske Racing Miller High Life Penske PC12 ‘001’ Penske Cosworth DFX

	27 laps, oil pressure

23rd	Josele Garza

	No. 55, Machinists Union Racing Schaefer Penske PC10 ‘006’ Cosworth DFX

	24 laps, electrical

24th	Danny Sullivan

	No. 30, Team Shierson Hess Racing Domino’s Pizza Shierson DSR-1 4C ‘001’ Cosworth DFX

	22 laps, spin

25th	Chip Ganassi

	No. 40, Patrick Racing Team Old Milwaukee Wildcat PR9 ‘03’ Cosworth DFX

	12 laps, transmission

26th	Roberto Guerrero

	No. 9, Bignotti-Cotter Racing Master Mechanic March 84C ‘07’ Cosworth DFX

	9 laps, engine

27th	Bruno Giacomelli

	No. 44, Theodore Racing Theodore T84 ‘1’ Cosworth DFX

	7 laps, engine

28th	Kevin Cogan

	No. 98, Ligier-Curb Racing Dubonnet Ligier LC02 ‘LC02-1’ Cosworth (UK) Cosworth DFX

	3 laps, driveshaft



Did Not Start

Chris Kneifel

No. 72 Primus Motorsport Spa Aerobics Primus 84 ‘01’ Cosworth DFX

Tony Bettenhausen, Junior

No. 16 Provimi Racing, Provimi Veal March 84C Cosworth DFX

Desire Wilson 

No. 34 Wysard Racing March 83C ‘05’ Cosworth DFX

Danny Ongais 

No. 25 Interscope Racing, March 84C Cosworth DFX

Steve Chassey

No. 56 Gohr Racing Genesee Beer Eagle 82 Chevrolet 

Roger Mears 

No. 70 American Dream Racing Wolf Properties March 84C ‘26’ Cosworth DFX

Bill Alsup

No. 27 Alsup Racing March 83C ‘19’ Cosworth DFX

Bill Tempero

No. 15 Tri-Pak Zena Racing Longhorn LR01 Chevrolet

Dick Ferguson

No. 31 Hess Racing Enterprises Eagle 83 ‘05’ Cosworth DFX

Phil Caliva

No. 69 American Dream Racing Wolf Properties March 83C ‘07’ Cosworth DFX

Johnny Parsons, Junior

No. 59 McCray Racing Machinists Racing McCray Penske PC10 ‘003’ Cosworth DFX



Lap Leader

Laps 1 thru 112	Mario Andretti, Lola Cosworth



Cautions

1 – for 1 lap



Notes

Mario Andretti won Electrolux “Clean Sweep” award of $2,500 for starting from pole, leading every lap, and winning the race.



Jim Crawford was the Vandervell “Rookie of the Race” and received $1,000.



Start time: 2 p.m.



Driver Standings:

1st	Mario Andretti		22 points

2nd	Geoff Brabham		16 points

3rd	Tom Sneva		14 points

4th	Jim Crawford		12 points

5th	Emerson Fittipaldi	10 points

6th	Jacquesues Villeneuve	8 points

7th	Derek Daly		6 points

8th	Pete Halsmer		5 points

9th	John Morton		4 points

10th	Michael Andretti		3 points

11th	Gordon Johncock		2 points

12th	Ed Pimm		1 point



References

Phil Harms



Ritch Hanna, “Andretti’s Lola Romps to Victory in the Season Opener,” On Track, 23 April 1984.



Grand Prix International









 

PPG Indy Car World Series

Round Two



Dana Jimmy Bryan 150

Phoenix International Raceway

Phoenix, Arizona

15 April 1984



Distance: 150 laps of 1.0-mile track, 150.0 miles

Promoter: Dennis Wood	

Total Purse: $215,120	

Pole Position Speed: 149.564 mph

Average Qualifying Speed: 142.719 mph

Attendance: Not announced	

Weather: Hot, sunny



Qualifying

1st	24.070 sec	Tom Sneva, March Cosworth

2nd	24.127 sec	Teo Fabi, March Cosworth

3rd	24.380 sec	Mario Andretti, Lola Cosworth

4th	24.656 sec	Howdy Holmes, March Cosworth

5th	24.675 sec	Al Unser, Junior, March Cosworth

6th	24.715 sec	Bobby Rahal, March Cosworth

7th	24.781 sec	Michael Andretti, March Cosworth

8th	24.803 sec	Rick Mears, Penske Cosworth

9th	24.924 sec	Derek Daly, March Cosworth

10th	24.954 sec	Roberto Guerrero, March Cosworth

11th	25.104 sec	Gordon Johncock, March Cosworth

12th	25.150 sec	Chip Ganassi, Wildcat Cosworth

13th	25.159 sec	Chris Kneifel, Primus Cosworth

14th	25.188 sec	Al Unser, Senior, Penske Cosworth

15th	25.399 sec	Dick Simon, March Cosworth

16th	25.423 sec	Jacques Villeneuve, March Cosworth

17th	25.503 sec	Kevin Cogan, Eagle Pontiac

18th	25.529 sec	Danny Ongais, March Cosworth

19th	25.610 sec	Danny Sullivan, Shierson Cosworth

20th	25.617 sec	Tony Bettenhausen, Junior, March Cosworth

21st	25.832 sec	Geoff Brabham, March Cosworth

22nd	25.852 sec	Roger Mears, March Cosworth

23rd	26.147 sec	Al Holbert, March Cosworth (Promoter’s Option)

24th	26.149 sec	Steve Chassey, March Chevrolet

25th	26.188 sec	Emerson Fittipaldi, March Cosworth (Promoter’s Option)

26th	26.297 sec	Pete Halsmer, Penske Cosworth (Promoter’s Option)

27th	26.375 sec	Johnny Parsons, Junior, Penske Cosworth (Promoter’s Option) 

28th	26.380 sec	John Paul, Junior, Penske Cosworth

29th	26.582 sec	Michael Chandler, Ligier Cosworth

30th	26.911 sec	Josele Garza, Penske Cosworth

31st	28.030 sec	Dick Ferguson, Eagle Cosworth

32nd	29.199 sec	Jim McElreath, Eagle Chevrolet

33rd	29.837 sec	Chuck Ciprich, March Cosworth

34th	No Time		Bill Alsup, March Cosworth (crashed)

35th	No Time		Ed Pimm, March Chevrolet (broken oil pump)

36th	No Time		Bruno Giacomelli, Theodore Cosworth 



Results

1st	Tom Sneva

	No. 4, Mayer Motor Racing Texaco March 84C ‘15’ McLaren Cosworth DFX

	150 laps, 1 hr 14 min 39.420 sec, 120.555 mph, $22,600 

2nd	Howdy Holmes

	No. 41, Mayer Motor Racing Jiffy Mixes March 84C ‘12’ McLaren Cosworth DFX

	150 laps, 1 hr 15 min 04.220 sec, $16,180

3rd	Michael Andretti

	No. 99, Kraco Racing Kraco Car Stereo/ Electrolux March 84C ‘10’ Cosworth (UK) Cosworth DFX

	149 laps, $13,100

4th	Dick Simon

	No. 22, Pink-Simon Racing Break Free March 84C ‘02’ Cosworth (US) Cosworth DFX 

	148 laps, $11,260

5th	Danny Ongais

	No. 25, Interscope Racing March 84C Cosworth (US) Cosworth DFX 

	148 laps, $12,540

6th	Danny Sullivan

	No. 30, Doug Shierson Racing Domino’s Pizza Shierson DSR-1 ‘002’ Shierson Cosworth DFX 

	146 laps, $9,320

7th	Bobby Rahal

	No. 5, TrueSports Racing 7-Eleven/ Red Roof Inns March 84C ‘11’ VDS Cosworth DFX 

	146 laps, $8,600

8th 	Kevin Cogan 

No. 88, All American Racers Dubonnet-Curb Eagle 84SB ‘01’ AAR Pontiac 

145 laps, $7,880

9th	Chris Kneifel 

No. 72, Primus Racing SPA*Erobics Primus 84 ‘01’ Chaparral Cosworth DFX

145 laps, $7,160

10th 	Gordon Johncock 

No. 20, Patrick Racing STP Oil Treatment  March 84C ‘10’ Patrick Cosworth DFX 

145 laps, $7,016

11th 	Chip Ganassi 

No. 40, Patrick Racing Old Milwaukee Wildcat PR10 ‘03’ Patrick Cosworth DFX 

144 laps, $6,944

12th 	Emerson Fittipaldi 

No. 47, W. I. T. Racing Productions March 83C ‘08’ Chaparral Cosworth DFX 

143 laps, , $2,800

13th 	Jacques Villeneuve 

No. 76, Performance Engineering Canadian Tire March 83C Performance Engineering Cosworth DFX

143 laps, $6,800

14th 	Pete Halsmer 

No. 11, Arciero Racing Penske PC-10 Penske ‘009’ Cosworth DFX 

142 laps, $1,440

15th 	Derek Daly 

No. 17, Provimi Veal Racing Provimi Veal March 84C ‘02’ Pink Cosworth DFX 

138 laps, $6,440

16th 	Geoff Brabham 

No. 18, Kraco Arcing Kraco Car Stereo March 84C Judd Cosworth DFX 

137 laps, engine, $6,080

17th 	Johnny Parsons, Junior

No. 59, McCray Racing McCray Plastering Penske PC-10 ‘003’ Cosworth DFX 

129 laps, $1,080

18th 	Rick Mears 

No. 6, Penske Racing Pennzoil Z-7 Penske PC-12 ‘002’ Penske Cosworth DFX 

114 laps, engine vibration, $6,080

19th 	Teo Fabi 

No. 33, Forsythe Racing Skoal Bandit March 84C ‘09’ Chaparral Cosworth DFX 

96 laps, engine, $6,080

20th 	Mario Andretti 

No. 3, Newman-Haas Racing Budweiser Lola T800 ‘HU01’ VDS Cosworth DFX 

88 laps, constant velocity joint, $6,080

21st 	Al Unser, Senior 

No. 1, Penske Racing Miller High Life Penske PC-12 ‘001’ Penske Cosworth DFX 

87 laps, engine, $6,080

22nd 	Tony Bettenhausen, Junior 

No. 16, Provimi Veal Racing Provimi Veal March 84C ‘14’ Pink Cosworth DFX 

71 laps, overheating, $6,080

23rd 	Al Holbert 

No. 21, Alex Foods Racing CRC Red Roof Inns Alex Foods March 84C ‘20’ McLaren Cosworth DFX

69  laps, engine, $1,080

24th 	Roberto Guerrero 

No. 9, Bignotti-Cotter Racing Master Mechanic Emerson Electric March 84C ‘07’ Cosworth (UK) Cosworth

33 laps, electrical and injector, $6,080

25th	Al Unser Junior 

No. 7, Galles Racing Coors Light March 84C ‘17’ Falconer Cosworth DFX 

11 laps, crash, $6,080

26th 	Roger Mears 

No. 70, American Dream Racing Wolff Properties March 84C ‘26’ Cosworth (US) Cosworth DFX 

10 laps, crash, $6,080



Did Not Start

Steve Chassey

No. 56, Gohr Distributing Racing Genesee Beer March 83C ‘03’ Davis Chevrolet

John Paul, Junior

No. 8, Racing Team VDS Circle Bar Truck Corral Penske PC-10 ‘010’ VDS Cosworth DFX 

Michael Chandler

No. 98 Ligier Racing Dubonnet Ligier LC02 ‘01’ Cosworth (UK) Cosworth DFX 

Josele Garza

No. 55, Machinist’s Union Racing Schaefer Penske PC-10 ‘005’ Pink Cosworth DFX 

Dick Ferguson

No. 31 Hess Racing Eagle 83 ‘05’ Phillips Cosworth DFX 

Jim McElreath

No. 45, Dale Coyle Racing Eagle 82 Chevrolet

Chuck Ciprich

No. 36, Pace Electronics March 83C Cosworth

Bill Alsup

No. 27 Alsup Racing March 83C ‘19’ Alsup Cosworth 

Ed Pimm

No. 64, Jet Engineering March 83C ‘Thor’ Jet Chevrolet

Bruno Giacomelli

No. 44 Theodore Racing American Airlines Theodore 83 ‘MN21’ Judd Cosworth DFX 





Lap Leaders

Laps 1 and 2		Teo Fabi 

Laps 3 thru 79		Tom Sneva 

Laps 80 thru 86		Mario Andretti 

Laps 87 thru 150		Tom Sneva 



Caution

Laps 12 thru 20		Roger Mears/ Al Unser, Junior wreck in Turn 4



Race Notes





References:

Phil Harms



Indy Car Racing, June 1984



On Track, 7 May 1984

[Don Capps]

I am still plugging away at this..... Being on the road so much does not help.

Plus, I am also working at plugging the holes in my Floyd Clymer collection. I hope to have a complete set of the Clymer annuals to complement my Hungness set and the Autocourse CART annuals. Down to just a few now that should be rolling in any time now, plus 1954 which turned out to be "unavailable" so looking at another source for that one.

[cabianca]

Don and Indy Chassis Number Watchers,

I did not mean for my comments to be construed as any kind of criticism of Donald Davidson, although this is not a subject that seems to get his heart beating faster. My point is that IMS has always maintained that it is THE CAR and not THE DRIVER that qualifies. In order to enforce that point of view, it would seem that someone within the IMS organization, or perhaps USAC, would have the records of which car had which chassis number. I know that, just as with Euro chassis numbers, there was some fudging, with so much on the line. Nonetheless, until someone tells me something different, I think there must be some information, perhaps in the bowels of IMS, that could help in this venture. More than one historian has told me that they have been shown stuff that they didn't know existed, but only for a moment. I can't say that this "teaser" material had to do with serial numbers, but it is possible with the Speedway's inability to distinguish between journalists, whom they seem to despise, and serious historians, whom they don't acknowledge. It's no coincindence that the Indy Yearbook was written for years by a PR person, not an historian. This gets back to Don's "proprietary" history. Another problem is that many Indy car builders have built up fresh cars that have been sold as something they weren't -- try Indy Winner, to start. No one wants to give out any info because no one wants the value of their vintage Indy car to be affected. What they fail to understand is that because this situation exists, no vintage Indy car is worth very much money compared to Grand Prix or sports cars, because the provenance of the latter two can usually be established. Lesser provenances are suitably discounted. With Indy cars, to reiterate, ALL are discounted, the real and the made-up, because there is no way to establish a car's provenance, except for the few with a very short chain of ownership.

[Don Capps]

Here are examples of what I am talking about -- and just how frustrating this can be.....






Note: With the Smokey Yunick info I get the ONLY block number for an Indy Ford I have been able to find, but no chassis number; with the Coyote information, no block number for the Foyt/Ford, but a chassis number!

As is obvious, there is no SINGLE magic bullet for this problem, but the usual scut work of laboriously assembling a body of knowledge similar to one of those 100,000 piece jigsaw puzzles and slowly making sense out of it as best as one can -- with the realization that there are pieces missing.....

Pity the Poor Historian.

Also: I think 'Cabianca' lays out some interesting points that certainly make this much more of a "challenge" than it possibly could or should be. The notion of "proprietary" history is one that seems to have been eagerly adopted by certain parties in the motor trade..... Ditto his remarks on Donald Davidson. From all that I have gathered over the years, Davidson is a genuine and generous soul in ways that seems to get overlooked by too many.

[biercemountain]

Perhaps part of the problem is the legacy of the "Special" in American open wheel racing. From what I've read there have been a lot of people who purchased a chassis (either new or used), made a few modifications to it and called it a "Joe Blow Special" (or some other gratuitous name). Of course whenever that person then entered the car they refered to it not by its original chassis makers name but by the name they gave it. Then it gets entered that way in the historical record and it's true origin begins to quickly fade from memory.

Kind of like someone buying a Lola F1 chassis, dropping in a new engine, making some modifications to it and calling it a Honda. Oh wait - that really happened!

Oh well, you know what I mean.

[cabianca]

If you will allow me to continue my rant, here is my experience today. I am researching some Indy car results, so I natuarally went to Phil Harms wonderful resource on http://www.motorsport.com

The problem in quesion spilled over from CART to the IRL. I was quite amazed that the IRL results on that site simply give the "Car Name" which makes no mention of chassis or engine -- the old Chug-a-Mug Beer Special problem.

Phil usually includes the source of his results and gave them as http://www.indy500.com

I went there and found that IRL results are posted at http://indyracing.com
There, when the cars are mentioned at all, the cars are identified thusly:

"C/E/T" which I doped out to mean Chassis/Engine/Tire

So you have each of these elements identified by a single letter, i.e., D/T/F, for example. If you have some idea of what's going on in the IRL, you can probably figure out that it was a Dallara-Toyota with Firestone tires, but you have no idea of which model Dallara and which iteration of the engine. This doesn't seem to be laying a great foundation for the future. IMHO, it is simply preserving the long trail of ignorance that pervades this type of racing.

Please understand that this is not to reflect on Phil Harms whose contributions to the stats of Indy racing are far beyond the call of duty. My criticism is for those who provide the material that Phil, and those of us who would like to preserve the historic record, are forced to work with. Perhaps, instead of worrying about the past, we should be trying to flesh out what's happening today, since the sanctioning organizations seem to have no interest.

[Don Capps]

Michael T,

Hear! Hear! Bingo, right on the nose! My experience with the IRL material has been very frustrating in many areas, although CART and USAC are not far behind in some areas. As for the AAA.... : ....even with the material Gordon White, et. al., saved and put on microfilm, many, many gaps and bridges that suddenly end in the middle of nowhere.

I can only echo your comment concerning Phil's devotion to duty, above and far beyond what is called for.

[Don Capps]

Here is another draft set of materials from the 1984 season with much work still to be done:

PPG Indy Car World Series

Round Number Three



United States Auto Club Gold Crown Championship

Event Number Two



68th Indianapolis 500 Mile Race

Indianapolis Motor Speedway

Indianapolis, Indiana

27 May 1984



Distance: 200 laps of 2.5-mile speedway for 500.0 miles

Promoter: Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Joseph R. Cloutier 

Purse: Speedway $2,109,499; lap prizes $50,000; Accessory monies $635,900; Total $2,795,399	

Weather: Sunny



Qualifying

1st	2 min 51.405 sec, 210.029 mph	Tom Sneva, No. 1 March Cosworth		12 May at 14:00

	43.039 sec, 209.113 mph

	42.878 sec, 209.898 mph

	42.771 sec, 210.423 mph

	42.717 sec, 210.689 mph

2nd	2 min 53.096 sec, 207.977 mph	Howdy Holmes, No. 41 March Cosworth	12 May at 15:55

	43.297 sec, 207.867 mph

	43.227 sec, 208.203 mph

	43.352 sec, 207.603 mph

	43.220 sec, 208.237 mph

3rd	2 min 53.204 sec, 207.847 mph	Rick Mears, No. 6 March Cosworth		12 May at 12:24

	43.165 sec, 208.503 mph

	43.193 sec, 208.367 mph

	43.326 sec, 207.727 mph

	43.520 sec, 206.801 mph

4th	2 min 53.239 sec, 207.805 mph	Michael Andretti, No. 99 March Cosworth	12 May at 12:30

	43.264 sec, 208.025 mph

	43.243 sec, 208.126 mph

	43.388 sec, 207.431 mph

	43.344 sec, 207.641 mph

5th	2 min 53.456 sec, 207.545 mph	Gordon Johncock, No. 20 March Cosworth 	12 May at 14:13

	43.309 sec, 207.809 mph

	43.313 sec, 207.790 mph

	43.411 sec, 207.321 mph

	43.423 sec, 207.263 mph

6th	2 min 53.522 sec, 207.467 mph	Mario Andretti, No. 3 Lola Cosworth		12 May at 12:42

	42.923 sec, 209.678 mph

	43.117 sec, 208.734 mph

	43.136 sec, 208.642 mph

	44.346 sec, 202.950 mph

7th	2 min 54.998 sec, 205.717 mph	Roberto Guerrero, No. 9 March Cosworth 	12 May at 17:29

	43.699 sec, 205.954 mph

	43.583 sec, 206.503 mph

	43.951 sec, 204.773 mph

	43.765 sec, 205.644 mph

8th	2 min 55.669 sec, 204.931 mph	Geoff Brabham, No. 18 March Cosworth	12 May at 17:24

	44.315 sec, 203.092 mph

	43.884 sec, 205.086 mph

	43.816 sec, 205.404 mph

	43.654 sec, 206.167 mph

9th	2 min 55.938 sec, 204.618 mph	Herm Johnson, No. 28 March Cosworth	12 May at 15:05

	43.904 sec, 204.993 mph

	44.162 sec, 203.795 mph

	43.989 sec, 204.597 mph

	43.883 sec, 205.091 mph

10th	2 min 56.090 sec, 204.441 mph	Al Unser, Senior, No. 2 March Cosworth	12 May at 12:53

	44.090 sec, 204.128 mph

	43.973 sec, 204.671 mph

	44.005 sec, 204.522 mph

	44.022 sec, 204.443 mph

11th	2 min 56.490 sec, 203.978 mph	Danny Ongais, No. 25 March Cosworth	12 May at 17:45

	44.174 sec, 203.740 mph

	44.098 sec, 204.091 mph

	44.103 sec, 204.068 mph

	44.115 sec, 204.012 mph

12th	2 min 56.592 sec, 203.860 mph	A.J. Foyt, Junior, No. 14 March Cosworth	12 May at 17:40

	44.276 sec, 203.270 mph

	43.980 sec, 204.638 mph

	44.262 sec, 203.335 mph

	44.074 sec, 204.202 mph

13th	2 min 56.680 sec, 203.758 mph	Tom Gloy, No. 77 March Cosworth		12 May at 13:53

	44.151 sec, 203.846 mph

	44.186 sec, 203.684 mph

	44.159 sec, 203.809 mph

	44.184 sec, 203.694 mph

14th	2 min 56.817 sec, 203.600 mph	Teo Fabi, No. 33 March Cosworth		12 May at 14:48

	43.888 sec, 205.067 mph

	43.934 sec, 204.853 mph

	44.290 sec, 203.206 mph

	44.705 sec, 201.320 mph

15th	2 min 56.988 sec, 203.404 mph	Al Unser, Junior, No. 7 March Cosworth	12 May at 15:00

	44.352 sec, 202.922 mph

	44.210 sec, 203.574 mph

	44.132 sec, 203.934 mph

	44.294 sec, 203.188 mph	

16th	2 min 57.326 sec, 203.016 mph	Al Holbert, No. 21 March Cosworth		12 May at 14:54

	44.592 sec, 201.830 mph

	44.275 sec, 203.275 mph

	44.153 sec, 203.837 mph

	44.306 sec, 203.133 mph

17th	2 min 57.503 sec, 202.813 mph	Tony Bettenhausen, No. 16 March Cosworth	12 May at 13:08

	44.464 sec, 202.411 mph

	44.253 sec, 203.376 mph

	44.459 sec, 202.434 mph

	44.327 sec, 203.037 mph

18th	2 min 58.015 sec, 202.230 mph	Bobby Rahal, No. 5 March Cosworth	12 May at 15:30

	44.447 sec, 202.488 mph

	44.492 sec, 203.284 mph

	44.498 sec, 202.256 mph

	44.578 sec, 201.893 mph

19th	2 min 58.293 sec, 201.915 mph	Patrick Bedard, No. 35 March Cosworth	12 May at 16:13

	44.119 sec, 203.994 mph

	44.301 sec, 203.156 mph

	44.802 sec, 200.884 mph

	45.071 sec, 199.685 mph

20th	2 min 58.364 sec, 201.834 mph	Dick Simon, No. 22 March Cosworth	12 May at 17:16

	44.615 sec, 201.726 mph

	44.540 sec, 202.066 mph

	44.504 sec, 202.299 mph

	44.705 sec, 201.320 mph

21st	2 min 58.377 sec, 201.820 mph	Pancho Carter, No. 10 March Cosworth	12 May at 17:06

	44.771 sec, 201.293 mph

	44.479 sec, 202.343 mph

	44.455 sec, 202.452 mph

	44.732 sec, 201.198 mph

22nd	2 min 58.561 sec, 201.612 mph	Chip Ganassi, No. 40 March Cosworth	12 May at 13:24

	44.189 sec, 203.671 mph

	44.505 sec, 202.224 mph

	44.906 sec, 200.419 mph

	44.961 sec, 200.173 mph

23rd	2 min 59.035 sec, 201.078 mph	Emerson Fittipaldi, No. 47 March Cosworth	12 May at 12:36

	44.887 sec, 200.503 mph

	44.845 sec, 200.691 mph

	44.632 sec, 201.649 mph

	44.671 sec, 201.473 mph

24th	2 min 59.448 sec, 200.615 mph	Josele Garza, No. 55 March Cosworth	12 May at 14:06

	44.734 sec, 201.189 mph

	44.873 sec, 200.566 mph

	44.936 sec, 200.285 mph

	44.905 sec, 200.423 mph

25th	2 min 59.571 sec, 200.478 mph	Spike Gehlhausen, No. 57 March Cosworth	12 May at 17:34

	44.859 sec, 200.629 mph

	44.763 sec, 201.059 mph

	44.857 sec, 200.638 mph

	45.092 sec, 199.592 mph

26th	2 min 59.998 sec, 200.013 mph	Jacques Villeneuve, No. 76 March Cosworth	12 May at 13:18

	45.063 sec, 199.720 mph			Withdrawn due to crash & concussion, replaced by Kneifel

	44.863 sec, 200.611 mph

	45.097 sec, 199.570 mph

	44.965 sec, 200.156 mph			

27th	2 min 56.785 sec, 203.637 mph	Scott Brayton, No. 37 March Cosworth	19 May at 12:48

	44.349 sec, 202.936 mph

	44.432 sec, 202.936 mph

	43.980 sec, 204.638 mph

	44.024 sec, 204.434 mph	

28th	2 min 56.798 sec, 203.622 mph	Kevin Cogan, No. 98 Eagle Pontiac		19 May at 12:18

	44.180 sec, 203.712 mph

	44.181 sec, 203.707 mph

	44.144 sec, 203.878 mph

	44.293 sec, 203.192 mph

29th	2 min 56.846 sec, 203.567 mph	Danny Sullivan, No. 30 Lola Cosworth	19 May at 12:31

	43.882 sec, 205.095 mph

	44.075 sec, 204.197 mph

	44.352 sec, 202.922 mph

	44.537 sec, 202.079 mph

30th	2 min 57.828 sec, 203.443 mph	Derek Daly, No. 61 March Cosworth	19 May at 11:55

	44.480 sec, 202.338 mph

	44.516 sec, 202.174 mph

	44.431 sec, 202.561 mph

	44.401 sec, 202.698 mph

31st	2 min 58.163 sec, 202.062 mph	Johnny Rutherford, No. 84 March Cosworth	19 May at 17:49

	44.301 sec, 203.156 mph

	44.451 sec, 202.470 mph

	44.612 sec, 201.739 mph

	44.799 sec, 200.897 mph

32nd	2 min 58.341 sec, 201.860 mph	George Snider, No. 4 March Cosworth	19 May at 11:15

	44.279 sec, 203.257 mph

	44.663 sec, 201.509 mph

	44.624 sec, 201.685 mph

	44.775 sec, 201.005 mph

33rd	2 min 58.911 sec, 201.217 mph	Dennis Firestone, No. 50 March Cosworth	19 May at 12:01

	44.498 sec, 202.256 mph

	44.502 sec, 202.238 mph

	44.549 sec, 202.025 mph

	45.362 sec, 198.404 mph



Average speed of field: 203.692 mph with Villeneuve, 203.686 mph with Kneifel



Did Not Qualify

34th	3 min 00.152 sec, 199.831 mph	Chris Kneifel, No. 73 Primus Cosworth	12 May at 16:35

	44.998 sec, 200.009 mph				Bumped by Rutherford, but replaced Villeneuve

	44.922 sec, 200.347 mph

	44.991 sec, 200.040 mph

	45.241 sec, 198.935 mph

35th	3 min 03.632 sec			Danny Sullivan, No. 30T Shierson Cosworth

	45.715 sec, 196.872 mph				Withdrawn 

	46.033 sec, 195.512 mph

	45.856 sec, 196.267 mph

	46.028 sec, 196.533 mph



	crashed, two attempts		Steve Chassey, No. 56 March Cosworth		

	waved off, one attempt		Jim Crawford, No. 68 Theodore Cosworth		

	engine, three attempts		Johnny Rutherford, No. 84 March Chevrolet	

	waved off, one attempt		Ed Pimm, No. 64 March Chevrolet			

	waved off, one attempt		Bill Alsup, No. 27 March Cosworth			

	waved off, one attempt		Gary Bettenhausen, No. 8 March Cosworth	

	waved off, one attempt		Johnny Parsons, Junior, No. 34 March Cosworth	

	crashed, one attempt		Steve Chassey, No. 65 March Chevrolet		

	waved off, one attempt		Roger Mears, No. 45 Penske Cosworth		

	waved off, one attempt		Stan Fox, No. 24 March Cosworth			

	waved off, one attempt		Pete Halsmer, No. 11 Penske Cosworth		

	stalled, one attempt		Tom Bigelow, No. 75 March Cosworth		

	waved off, one attempt		Gary Bettenhausen, No. 60 Wildcat Cosworth	



Results

1st 	Rick Mears 

No. 6, Penske Cars Pennzoil Z-7 

March 84C ‘18’ Penske Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Peter Parrott

200 laps, 3 hr 03 min 21.660 sec, 163.612 mph, $434,061, 21 points, 1,000 points

2nd 	Roberto Guerrero 

No. 9, Bignotti-Cotter Master Mechanic Tools 

March 84C ‘27’  Cosworth (UK) Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: George Bignotti

198 laps, flagged, $171,666, 16 points, 800 points

3rd 	Al Unser, Senior

No. 2, Penske Cars Miller High Life 

March 84C ‘39’  Penske Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Bob Sprow

198 laps, flagged, $117,416, 14 points, 700 points

4th 	Al Holbert 

No. 21, Alex Morales Company CRC Chemical Special 

March 84C ‘20’ McLaren Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Johnny Capels 

198 laps, flagged,  $106,261,12 points, 600 points

5th 	Michael Andretti 

No. 99, Kraco Enterprises Electrolux Kraco Car Stereo 

March 84C ‘10’  Cosworth (US) Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanics: Rouem Haffenden & Brian Stewart

198 laps, flagged, $119,231, 10 points, 500 points

6th 	A.J. Foyt Junior 

No. 14, A.J. Foyt, Junior Enterprise Gilmore/Foyt Racing 

March 84C ‘31’ Gilbert Cosworth 

Chief Mechanic: Jack Starne

197 laps, flagged, $79,276, 8 points, 400 points

7th 	Bobby Rahal 

No. 5, Truesports Company 7-Eleven Red Roof Inns 

March 84C ‘06’ VDS Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Steve Horne

197 laps, flagged, $74,996, 6 points, 300 points

8th 	Herm Johnson 

No. 28, Menard Incorporated Menard Cashway Lumber 

March 84C ‘23’ Cosworth (US) Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Jerry Eisert

194 laps (195 laps – 1 lap penalty), flagged, $73,560, 5 points, 250 points

9th 	Danny Ongais 

No. 25, Interscope Racing Interscope Racing 

March 84C ‘25’ Cosworth (US) Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Drino Miller

193 laps, flagged, $68,085, 4 points, 200 points

10th 	Josele Garza 

No. 55, International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers S

chaefer Beer Machinists Union 

March 84C ‘05’  Pink Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Bevan Weston

193 laps, flagged, $66,910, 3 points, 150 points

11th 	George Snider 

No. 4, James Greer & A.J. Foyt, Junior Calumet Farms Racing 

March 84C ‘21’ Gilbert Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Jack Starne

193 laps, flagged, $69,357, 2 points, 100 points

12th 	Dennis Firestone 

No. 50, Purcell Racing Hoosier Transportation 

March 82C ‘15’ Rattlesnake Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Dave Thomas

186 laps, flagged, $62,765, 1 point, 50 points

13th 	Howdy Holmes 

No. 41, Mayer Motor Racing Jiffy Mixes 

March 84C ‘12’ McLaren Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Steve Roby 

185 laps, flagged, $85,209

14th 	Tom Gloy 

No. 77, Rick Galles Simoniz Finish 

March 84C ‘35’ Cosworth (UK) Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Allen Cook

179 laps, engine, $62,467 

15th 	Chris Kneifel 

No. 73, Primus Racing SPA*Erobics 

Primus 84 ‘02’  Chaparral Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Wayne Leary

175 laps, transmission, $61,183, 25 points 

16th 	Tom Sneva 

No. 1, Mayer Motor Racing Texaco Star 

March 84C ‘15’  VDS Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Tony Van Dongen 

168 laps, broken hub carrier and left constant-velocity joint, $112,436, 1 point, 25 points

17th 	Mario Andretti 

No. 3, Newman/Haas Racing Newman-Haas Budweiser 

Lola T800 ‘HU03’  VDS Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Darrell Soppe

153 laps, broken nose cone, $72,323, 20 points

18th 	Scott Brayton 

No. 37, Brayton Engineering Buick Dealers of America 

March 84C ‘13’ McLaren Buick 

Chief Mechanic: Jim March 

150 laps, transmission, $64,397, 20 points

19th 	Pancho Carter 

No. 10, American Dream Racing 

March 84C ‘26’ Cosworth (US) Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Derek Mower

141 laps, engine, $59,057, 20 points 

20th 	Kevin Cogan 

No. 98, Gurney-Curb Racing Dubonnet-UNO 

Eagle 84SB ‘02’  AAR Pontiac 

Chief Mechanic: Bob Hatch

137 laps, wheel frozen, $64,353, 20 points 

21st 	Al Unser Junior 

No. 7, Rick Galles Coors Light Silver Bullet 

March 84C ‘37’ Falconer Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Mike Arnold

131 laps, broken water pump, $67,985, 15 point 

22nd 	Johnny Rutherford 

No. 84, A.J. Foyt, Junior Enterprise Gilmore Greer Foyt Racing 

March 84C ‘17’ Gilbert Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Jack Starne 

116 laps, engine, $56,453, 15 points 

23rd 	Dick Simon 

No. 22, Simon Racing Break Free Special 

March 84C ‘22’  Cosworth (US) Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Larry Curry

112 laps, flagged, $64,057, 15 points 

24th 	Teo Fabi 

No. 33, Forsythe Racing Forsythe Racing Skoal Bandit 

March 84C ‘09’ Chaparral Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Barry Green

104 laps, fuel system problems, $71,197, 15 points

25th 	Gordon Johncock 	

	No. 20, Patrick Racing Team STP Oil Treatment 

	March 84C ‘05’ Patrick Cosworth DFX

	Chief Mechanic: George Huening 

103 laps, wrecked, $61,373, 10 points 

26th 	Tony Bettenhausen, Junior 

No. 16, Provimi Racing Provimi Veal Racing 

March 84C ‘14’  Pink Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanics: Dennis McCormack & Laurie Gerrish 

86 laps, piston, $55,585, 10 points

27th 	Derek Daly 

No. 61, Provimi Racing Provimi Veal Racing 

March 84C ‘02’  Pink Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Dennis McCormack & Richard Buck

76 laps, withdrawn due to poor handling, $55,333, 10 points

28th 	Chip Ganassi 

No. 40, Patrick Racing Team Old Milwaukee 

March 84C ‘36’ Patrick Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Gary Rovazzini 

61 laps, engine, $54,617, 10 points 

29th 	Danny Sullivan 

No.30, Douglas Shierson Racing Domino’s Pizza “Hot One” 

Lola T800 ‘HU04’ Shierson Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Dennis Swan

57 laps, broken wheel, $57,937, 5 points

30th 	Patrick Bedard 

No. 35, Brayton Engineering Escort Radar Warning Receiver 

March 84C ‘29’ McLaren Buick 

Chief Mechanic: Jim Wright

55 laps, wrecked, $56,793

31st 	Spike Gehlhausen 

No. 57, Indy Auto Racing Limited Little Kings Express 

March 83C ‘13’ Pink Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Glen R. Hall & Richard R. Hoffman

45 laps, spun out in turn one, $54,185, 5 points

32nd 	Emerson Fittipaldi 

No. 47, George T. Smith Racing team W.I.T. Racing Promotions 

March 84C ‘40’ Chaparral Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Glen Blakely

37 laps, low oil pressure, $53,800, 5 points 

33rd 	Geoff Brabham 

No.18, Kraco Enterprises Kraco Car Stereo Special 

March 84C ‘30’ Judd Cosworth DFX

Chief Mechanic: Graham Donaldson & Rouem Haffenden 

1 lap, broken fuel line, $54,077, 5 points 



Lap Leaders

Laps 1 thru 24		Rick Mears 

Lap 25			Tom Sneva

Laps 26 thru 47		Mario Andretti

Laps 48 and 49		Tom Sneva

Laps 50 thru 53		Mario Andretti

Laps 54 thru 59		Rick Mears

Lap 60			Tom Sneva

Laps 61 thru 63		Mario Andretti

Laps 64 thru 70		Teo Fabi

Laps 71 thru 73		Danny Ongais

Laps 74 thru 80		Teo Fabi

Laps 81 and 82		Tom Sneva

Laps 83 thru 86		Al Unser, Junior

Laps 87 thru 109		Tom Sneva

Laps 110 thru 141	Rick Mears

Laps 142 and 143	Tom Sneva

Laps 144 thru 200	Rick Mears



Fastest race lap: 204.815 mph on lap 52 by Gordon Johncock



Fastest leading lap: 204.364 on lap 139 by Rick Mears



Yellow Flags: 

Laps 48 thru 52		Spike Gehlhausen spun in turn one

Laps 59 thru 68		Patrick Bedard wreck in north chute

Laps 107 thru 114	Gordon Johncock wreck on front straight and in north pits

Laps 154 thru 158	Roberto Guerrero spun in turn two

Laps 163 thru 167	Scott Brayton spin and tow-in



Did Not Start

Jacques Villeneuve

	No. 76, Canadian Tire Corporation Canadian Tire 

	March 83C Performance Engineering Cosworth DFX

	Crashed after qualifying, suffered concussion, and not allowed to participate

Danny Sullivan

	No. 30T, Douglas Shierson Racing Domino’s Pizza “Hot One” 

	Shierson DSR-1 Shierson Cosworth DFX

	withdrawn 

Steve Chassey

	No. 56, Gohr Distributing Company Genesee Beer Wagon 

	March 83C Davis Chevrolet	  

	crashed, two attempts		

Jim Crawford

	No. 68, Ed Wachs Motor Sports United Breweries International RK Fibers 

	Theodore 83 ‘MN20’ Cosworth DFX	

	waved off, one attempt	

Johnny Rutherford

	 No. 84, A.J. Foyt, Junior Enterprises Calumet Farms Racing 

	March 84C Falconer Chevrolet	

	engine, three attempts

Ed Pimm

	No. 64, Jet Engineering Jet Engineering 

	March 83C ‘Thor’ Jet Engineering Chevrolet		

	waved off, one attempt	

Bill Alsup

	No. 27, Alsup Racing Team Alsup Racing 

	March 83C ‘19’ Patterson Cosworth DFX		

	waved off, one attempt	

Gary Bettenhausen

	No. 8, H & R Racing H and R Racing California Coolers 

	March 82C Cosworth DFX	

	waved off, one attempt

Johnny Parsons, Junior

	No. 34, Wysard Motor Company Wysard Racing 

	March 83C Chaparral Cosworth DFX	

	waved off, one attempt

Steve Chassey

	No. 65, Gohr Distributors Genesee Beer Wagon 

	March 83C Davis Chevrolet	

	crashed, one attempt	

Roger Mears

	No. 45, International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers 	Schaefer Beer Machinists Union 	

Penske PC10 ‘005’ Pink Cosworth DFX

	waved off, one attempt	

Stan Fox

	No. 24, Leader Cards Pabst Racing 

	March 83C ‘Stuart’ Cosworth DFX		

	waved off, one attempt	

Pete Halsmer

	No. 11, Arciero Racing Teams Colonial Bread WISH-TV Pay Less Scot Lad 

	Penske PC10D Penske Cosworth DFX	

	waved off, one attempt	

Tom Bigelow

	No. 75, Scott Cole Baer Concrete Special 

	March 81C Cosworth	

	stalled, one attempt	

Gary Bettenhausen

	No. 60, Patrick Racing Team 

	Wildcat Mk 10 ‘03’ Patrick Cosworth	

	waved off, one attempt

John Paul Junior 

	No. 12 VDS Associates VDS Circle Bar Truck Corral 

	Penske PC-10/83 VDS Cosworth DFX

	wrecked in practice  

Desiree Wilson 

No. 34 Wysard Motor Company Wysard Racing 

March 83C Cosworth DFX

did not attempt to qualify 

Chuck Ciprich 

No. 36 BC Pace Racing Pace Electronics 

March 83C Cosworth DFX

wrecked during practice 

Chet Fillip

	No. 38 Circle Bar Racing Circle Bar Truck Corral

	Penske PC10/84 VDS Cosworth DFX

	did not attempt to qualify 

Dick Ferguson 

No. 51 Tom Hess II Hess Racing 

Eagle 83 Cosworth DFX

did not attempt to qualify 

Bruno Giacomelli 

	No. 52 Theodore Racing 

	Theodore 84 Cosworth DFX

	did not attempt to qualify 

Steve Chassey 

	No. 56 Gohr Distributing Genesee Beer Wagon 

	Eagle 83 Chevrolet

	wrecked during qualifying 

Johnny Parsons 

	No. 59 Joel F. McCray Racing McCray Plastering 

	Penske PC-10/83 Cosworth DFX

	did not attempt to qualify 

Jerry Karl 

	No. 59 Joel F. McCray Racing McCray Plastering 

	Penske PC-10/83 Cosworth DFX

	wrecked during practice 

Jerry Sneva 

	No. 66 Timberwood Racing Timberwood CarQuest Racing 

	March 83C Cosworth DFX

	wrecked during practice 

Phil Caliva 

	No. 69 American Dream Race Team Wolff Properties 

	March 83C Cosworth DFX

	did not attempt to qualify 

Roger Mears 

	No. 76 Machinist Union 

	Penske PC-10/83 Cosworth DFX

	did not attempt to qualify 

Jim Crawford 

	No. 78 Ed Wachs Motor Sports United Breweries International 

	Theodore Cosworth DFX

	did not attempt to qualify 

Johnny Rutherford 

	No. 80Douglas Shierson Racing  Domino's Pizza “Hot One” 

	Shierson DSR-1 Cosworth DFX

	did not attempt to qualify 

Larry Cannon 

	No. 81 Rattlesnake Racing Hubler Chevrolet Special 

	Rattlesnake 82 Cosworth DFX

	wrecked during practice 

Johnny Rutherford 

	No. 82 Calumet Farms March 84C Chevrolet

	did not attempt to qualify 

Gary Bettenhausen 

	No. 82 California Cooler 

	March 84C Cosworth DFX

	did not attempt to qualify 

Phil Krueger 

	No. 85 Ellme Racing Pacific West Airways 

	March 83C Cosworth DFX

	did not qualify 

Steve Krisiloff 

	No. 87 Ray W. Lipper Center Line Racing Center Line Racing 

	Eagle 83 Chevrolet

	did not attempt to qualify 

Michael Chandler 

	No. 88 Dan Gurney’s All American Racers Dubonnet-Curb Records 

	Eagle 84 Pontiac

	wrecked during practice 

Kevin Cogan 

	No. 98 Ligier-Curb Dubonnet-Ligier 

	Ligier LC 02 Cosworth DFX

	did not attempt to qualify 



Footnotes

 1 March 84C ‘07’ in Indy Car Racing, ‘27’ in Hungness 

 2 March 84C ‘39’ in Indy Car Racing, ‘08’ in Hungness 

 3 March 84C ‘26’ in Indy Car Racing, ‘10’ in Hungness 

 4 March 84C ‘05’ in Indy Car Racing, ‘03’ in Hungness

 5 Primus 84 ‘02’ in Indy Car Racing, PR ‘04’ in Hungness 

 6 March 84C ‘15’ in Indy Car Racing, ‘24’ in Hungness

 7 Lola T800 ‘HU03’ in Indy Car Racing, ‘HU01’ in Hungness

 8 or ‘8402’ as in Hungness 

 9 March 84C ‘22’ in Indy Car Racing, ‘34’ in Hungness

 10 March 84C ‘14’ in Indy Car Racing, ‘02’ in Hungness

 11 March 84C ‘02’ in Indy Car Racing, ‘14’ in Hungness







References:

Phil Harms



Race Notes



Carl Hungness, 1984 Indianapolis 500 Yearbook, Speedway, Indiana: Carl Hungness Publishing, 1984.



Indy Car Racing, August 1984.



On Track, 18 June 1984.

[Don Capps]

By the way, I found my notes for 1984 and I have pretty much most of the chassis numbers for the 1984 season -- along with the engine prep information. I am going to have to admit defeat for some of the other years for right now....

[Allen Brown]

I'm glad you've brought this thread back to life.

We've uncovered information on the 1972 Eagles on another thread and there was also been all that work done on the M16-series McLarens. The Coyote information is starting to emerge too.

We just have to keep plugging away at this - and find a way to get at USAC's info too.

Allen

[Herbert]

In Rolla Vollstedt's Autobiography you can find some information about the cars he built. There is a summary of the history each of his Indy Car-chassis'.

Aren't there book about Kurtis Cars which include chassis-numbers?

[theunions]

Originally posted by Herbert
Aren't there book about Kurtis Cars which include chassis-numbers?

Of the several Kurtis titles out there, the only one I own is Gordon White's "Indianapolis Racing Cars of Frank Kurtis," which does indeed have those numbers.