...of sledgehammers and nuts
#1
Posted 29 September 2003 - 18:35
I do not have the complete entry list (I bet someone does) but listing the top 6 finishers, from 6th to 1st makes rather strange reading: 6th Tim Parnell; 5th Menato Boffa; 4th Bernard Collomb; 3rd Ernesto Prinoth; 2nd Wolfgang Seidel; 1st STIRLING MOSS!
To me, this begs the question, what on earth were the Walker equipe doing contesting a race like that? Or, where on earth were the other competitive F.1 teams?
Some of the South African races around that time had a similar feel - Team Lotus + also-rans.
What other one-sided, foregone conclusion races can you think of, people?
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#2
Posted 29 September 2003 - 19:02
Ret Shane Summers
Ret Gerry Ashmore
#3
Posted 29 September 2003 - 19:12
#4
Posted 29 September 2003 - 19:19
The same for Giuseppe Maugeri's RRC Walker Cooper, while JoBo's Scuderia Colonia Lotus wasn't repaired. All according to Hoyl...sorry, Sheldon.
And Schlesser had a problem with the engine...
#5
Posted 29 September 2003 - 20:01
1 Menato Boffa Menato Boffa Cooper 45 Climax
2 Shane Summers Terry Bartram Cooper 53 Climax
3 Jo Schlesser Inter Autocourse Cooper 51 Climax dna
4 Ronald Wrenn Team Salvatore Evangelista Hume Cooper Climax
5 Wolfgang Seidel Scuderia Colonia Lotus 18 Climax
6 Joachim Bonnier Scuderia Colonia Lotus 18 Climax dna
7 Sirling Moss RRC Walker Racing Team Lotus 18 Climax
8 Ernesto Prinoth Scuderia Dolomiti Lous 18 Climax
9 Bernard Collomb Bernard Collomb Cooper 53 Climax
10 Tim Parnell Tim Parnell Lotus 18 Climax
11 Gerry Ashmore Tim Parnell Lotus 18 Climax
12 Giuseppe Maugeri Giuseppe Maugeri Cooper 51 Climax dna
14 "Wal Ever" "Wal Ever" Cooper 45 OSCA dna
Grid:
4-3-2
From right to left:
Moss 1.13.6
Summers 1.14.6
Ashmore 1.14.8
Boffa 1.15.8
Parnell 1.15.8
Seidel 1.16.2
Prinoth 1.16.2
Collomb 1.17.4
Wrenn 1.20.8
55 laps 100 miles
1. Moss 1.10.01.6 85,67 mph
2. Seidel 1.10.53.0
3. Prinoth 54 laps
4. Collomb 53 laps
5. Boffa 41 laps
6. Parnell 34 laps
7. Wrenn 31 laps
8. Summers 23 laps not running
FL:Moss 1.12.2 90,75 mph
#6
Posted 29 September 2003 - 21:02
Originally posted by GIGLEUX
12 Giuseppe Maugeri Giuseppe Maugeri Cooper 51 Climax dna
Slightly OT, but Sheldon has Maugeri entered by RRC Walker Racing Team at two races in 1961.
Preis von Wien - Aspern - 16 April 1961
12. Giuseppe Maugeri - RRC Walker Racing Team - Cooper 51 (no c/n) Climax FPF - dna
Gran Premio di Siracusa - Siracusa - 25 April 1961
52. Giuseppe Maugeri - G. Maugeri - Cooper 51 (F2-1-59.) Maserati 150S - dnq
Gran Premio di Napoli - Posillipo - 14 May 1961
20. Giuseppe Maugeri - RRC Walker Racing Team - Cooper 51 (F2-19-59) Climax FPF - dnq
London Trophy - Crystal Palace - 22 May 1961
34. Giuseppe Maugeri - G. Maugeri - Cooper 51 (F2-19-59) Climax FPF - retired (crash)
Silver City Trophy - Brands Hatch - 3 June 1961
50. Giuseppe Maugeri - G. Maugeri - Cooper 51 (F2-19-59) Climax FPF - 10th
F2-19-59 was a RRC Walker car in 1959 and 1960, so the connection is there, but why would Rob stand as the entrant? Or has Sheldon got it wrong (it has happened...)? Ideas, anybody?
#7
Posted 30 September 2003 - 21:11
#8
Posted 30 September 2003 - 22:02
This race gets more bizarre the more I learn about it!
#9
Posted 30 September 2003 - 22:10
Originally posted by Barry Boor
RONALD WRENN??????
This race gets more bizarre the more I learn about it!
.... and why would anyone think it was even remotely sensible to haul the hopeless Hume Cooper all the way to Austria for him? I've heard of starting money specials but ....
#10
Posted 30 September 2003 - 22:19
starting money
Now, wouldn't it be interesting to know what they paid?
One would imagine Stirling getting more than the rest put together.
#11
Posted 20 November 2007 - 14:43
Stirling adjusting his mirrors just prior to the start
On the grid just about to start
Another grid shot
The race underway
Ronald Wrenn in the Hume Cooper in F1 guise
Stirling bringing the Lotus 18 in at the finish having won the race
#12
Posted 20 November 2007 - 17:35
Where did they come from?
#13
Posted 20 November 2007 - 19:30
Originally posted by David Beard
Will we ever know why "Wal Ever" didn't arrive?
Did anyone make any sense of this post? What on earth was I talking about
#14
Posted 20 November 2007 - 19:44
I wonder if Jean-Maurice is still watching and can recall where he got that entry list from?
Allen
#15
Posted 20 November 2007 - 19:53
Originally posted by Allen Brown
I did at the time. "Wal Ever" was a DNA at this race in his supposedly ex-Atkins Cooper-OSCA.
Allen
Then I can only conclude that I had a Black Book on loan from a nice TNFer at the time!
Edit...and now of course I see Wal Ever at the bottom of GIGLEUX's post. Get a grip, Beard!
#16
Posted 20 November 2007 - 23:17
According to Darren's site, the second row should be, from this side, Parnell, Seidel, Prinoth. However, although Parnell is in the correct place, Seidel appears to be where Prinoth should be and vice versa. Given that the latter two had the same practice time, it would appear that they lined up the other way around.
And didn't Collomb make a good start?
Told you I'm after the most boring title, diddle I?
#17
Posted 20 November 2007 - 23:28
#18
Posted 20 November 2007 - 23:39
#19
Posted 21 July 2009 - 17:18
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#20
Posted 02 August 2010 - 15:28
#21
Posted 28 May 2011 - 17:30
It was mainly on the nationality of the Team Salvatore Evangelista, which I believe must have been British considering the persons involved.
For the question about what Moss/Walker was doing in Austria, it might have something to do with races at Pau and Brussels in the preceeding weekends, but I'm finding my feets in this field - but a bit of the British on the continent in betwin national F1/FIntercontinental races and before Monaco perhaps?
Jesper
Edited by Jesper O. Hansen, 28 May 2011 - 17:34.
#22
Posted 28 May 2011 - 18:17
#23
Posted 28 May 2011 - 19:39
I think the answer can be found in two words - starting moneyFor the question about what Moss/Walker was doing in Austria, it might have something to do with races at Pau and Brussels in the preceeding weekends, but I'm finding my feets in this field - but a bit of the British on the continent in betwin national F1/FIntercontinental races and before Monaco perhaps?