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#1 Barry Boor

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Posted 29 September 2003 - 18:35

Having gained the required information on the Aspern airfield circuit used for the Preis von Wien in 1961, the phrase "taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut" came into my mind.

I do not have the complete entry list (I bet someone does) but listing the top 6 finishers, from 6th to 1st makes rather strange reading: 6th Tim Parnell; 5th Menato Boffa; 4th Bernard Collomb; 3rd Ernesto Prinoth; 2nd Wolfgang Seidel; 1st STIRLING MOSS!

To me, this begs the question, what on earth were the Walker equipe doing contesting a race like that? Or, where on earth were the other competitive F.1 teams?

Some of the South African races around that time had a similar feel - Team Lotus + also-rans.

What other one-sided, foregone conclusion races can you think of, people?

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#2 conjohn

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Posted 29 September 2003 - 19:02

7th Ronald Wrenn
Ret Shane Summers
Ret Gerry Ashmore

#3 David Beard

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Posted 29 September 2003 - 19:12

Will we ever know why "Wal Ever" didn't arrive?

#4 conjohn

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Posted 29 September 2003 - 19:19

'Car not ready'.
The same for Giuseppe Maugeri's RRC Walker Cooper, while JoBo's Scuderia Colonia Lotus wasn't repaired. All according to Hoyl...sorry, Sheldon.

And Schlesser had a problem with the engine...

#5 GIGLEUX

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Posted 29 September 2003 - 20:01

Entry list:

1 Menato Boffa Menato Boffa Cooper 45 Climax
2 Shane Summers Terry Bartram Cooper 53 Climax
3 Jo Schlesser Inter Autocourse Cooper 51 Climax dna
4 Ronald Wrenn Team Salvatore Evangelista Hume Cooper Climax
5 Wolfgang Seidel Scuderia Colonia Lotus 18 Climax
6 Joachim Bonnier Scuderia Colonia Lotus 18 Climax dna
7 Sirling Moss RRC Walker Racing Team Lotus 18 Climax
8 Ernesto Prinoth Scuderia Dolomiti Lous 18 Climax
9 Bernard Collomb Bernard Collomb Cooper 53 Climax
10 Tim Parnell Tim Parnell Lotus 18 Climax
11 Gerry Ashmore Tim Parnell Lotus 18 Climax
12 Giuseppe Maugeri Giuseppe Maugeri Cooper 51 Climax dna
14 "Wal Ever" "Wal Ever" Cooper 45 OSCA dna

Grid:
4-3-2
From right to left:
Moss 1.13.6
Summers 1.14.6
Ashmore 1.14.8
Boffa 1.15.8

Parnell 1.15.8
Seidel 1.16.2
Prinoth 1.16.2

Collomb 1.17.4
Wrenn 1.20.8

55 laps 100 miles

1. Moss 1.10.01.6 85,67 mph
2. Seidel 1.10.53.0
3. Prinoth 54 laps
4. Collomb 53 laps
5. Boffa 41 laps
6. Parnell 34 laps
7. Wrenn 31 laps
8. Summers 23 laps not running

FL:Moss 1.12.2 90,75 mph

#6 conjohn

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Posted 29 September 2003 - 21:02

Originally posted by GIGLEUX
12 Giuseppe Maugeri Giuseppe Maugeri Cooper 51 Climax dna


Slightly OT, but Sheldon has Maugeri entered by RRC Walker Racing Team at two races in 1961.

Preis von Wien - Aspern - 16 April 1961
12. Giuseppe Maugeri - RRC Walker Racing Team - Cooper 51 (no c/n) Climax FPF - dna

Gran Premio di Siracusa - Siracusa - 25 April 1961
52. Giuseppe Maugeri - G. Maugeri - Cooper 51 (F2-1-59.) Maserati 150S - dnq

Gran Premio di Napoli - Posillipo - 14 May 1961
20. Giuseppe Maugeri - RRC Walker Racing Team - Cooper 51 (F2-19-59) Climax FPF - dnq

London Trophy - Crystal Palace - 22 May 1961
34. Giuseppe Maugeri - G. Maugeri - Cooper 51 (F2-19-59) Climax FPF - retired (crash)

Silver City Trophy - Brands Hatch - 3 June 1961
50. Giuseppe Maugeri - G. Maugeri - Cooper 51 (F2-19-59) Climax FPF - 10th

F2-19-59 was a RRC Walker car in 1959 and 1960, so the connection is there, but why would Rob stand as the entrant? Or has Sheldon got it wrong (it has happened...)? Ideas, anybody?

#7 Ray Bell

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Posted 30 September 2003 - 21:11

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#8 Barry Boor

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Posted 30 September 2003 - 22:02

RONALD WRENN?????? :eek:

This race gets more bizarre the more I learn about it!

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Posted 30 September 2003 - 22:10

Originally posted by Barry Boor
RONALD WRENN?????? :eek:

This race gets more bizarre the more I learn about it!


.... and why would anyone think it was even remotely sensible to haul the hopeless Hume Cooper all the way to Austria for him? I've heard of starting money specials but .... :eek:

#10 Barry Boor

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Posted 30 September 2003 - 22:19

Vitesse mentioned...

starting money


Now, wouldn't it be interesting to know what they paid?

One would imagine Stirling getting more than the rest put together.

#11 piperp2

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 14:43

Here are some pictures from the said event:

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Stirling adjusting his mirrors just prior to the start

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On the grid just about to start

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Another grid shot

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The race underway

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Ronald Wrenn in the Hume Cooper in F1 guise

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Stirling bringing the Lotus 18 in at the finish having won the race

#12 Barry Boor

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 17:35

Thanks for those Pipes.

Where did they come from?

#13 David Beard

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 19:30

Originally posted by David Beard
Will we ever know why "Wal Ever" didn't arrive?


Did anyone make any sense of this post? What on earth was I talking about :confused:

#14 Allen Brown

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 19:44

I did at the time. "Wal Ever" was a DNA at this race in his supposedly ex-Atkins Cooper-OSCA.

I wonder if Jean-Maurice is still watching and can recall where he got that entry list from?

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#15 David Beard

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 19:53

Originally posted by Allen Brown
I did at the time. "Wal Ever" was a DNA at this race in his supposedly ex-Atkins Cooper-OSCA.
Allen


Then I can only conclude that I had a Black Book on loan from a nice TNFer at the time!

Edit...and now of course I see Wal Ever at the bottom of GIGLEUX's post. Get a grip, Beard!

#16 Barry Boor

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 23:17

In my quest to become the world's most boring old anorak..... comparing picture #3 above with the stated grid, there seems to be an amolany.

According to Darren's site, the second row should be, from this side, Parnell, Seidel, Prinoth. However, although Parnell is in the correct place, Seidel appears to be where Prinoth should be and vice versa. Given that the latter two had the same practice time, it would appear that they lined up the other way around.

And didn't Collomb make a good start?

Told you I'm after the most boring title, diddle I?

#17 Roger Clark

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 23:28

Why wasn't Moss disqualified?

#18 Barry Boor

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 23:39

Come on then, I'll bite; why should he have been?

#19 piperp2

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 17:18

I have just obtained a copy of a B/W photo of Ronald Wrenn at the said event sitting in the Hume Cooper, it looks like a promotional photo, I will scan in soon and post

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#20 piperp2

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 15:28

Sorry about the delay on this but finally I have a photo of Ronald Wrenn at the wheel of the Hume Cooper at the said event:

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#21 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 17:30

Looking at the 1961 F1 season - thanks to the newly aquired "1½-litre Grand Prix Racing 1961-65" book by Mark Whitelock - my search for obscure details has brought me to this thread.

It was mainly on the nationality of the Team Salvatore Evangelista, which I believe must have been British considering the persons involved.

For the question about what Moss/Walker was doing in Austria, it might have something to do with races at Pau and Brussels in the preceeding weekends, but I'm finding my feets in this field - but a bit of the British on the continent in betwin national F1/FIntercontinental races and before Monaco perhaps?

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Edited by Jesper O. Hansen, 28 May 2011 - 17:34.


#22 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 18:17

The top book on results (and races) from the 1,5 litre F1 1961-65 is The Formula One Record Book by Jonathan Thompson (if you can find one) with Rabagliati and Sheldon (Black Books).

#23 David McKinney

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 19:39

For the question about what Moss/Walker was doing in Austria, it might have something to do with races at Pau and Brussels in the preceeding weekends, but I'm finding my feets in this field - but a bit of the British on the continent in betwin national F1/FIntercontinental races and before Monaco perhaps?

I think the answer can be found in two words - starting money :)