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#51 tobbe j

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 17:27

Here's a resume. it's still some ? that need straighten out

Quote: Earlier reply


2002: Arrows A23 -> 2004 Minardi PS04A: Only for test.

1979: Kaushen ->Merzario A4: Which of the Kaushen chassis is it? Maybe the WK004?

1972: March 721 -> Eiffelland: Which of the March chassis is it? Maybe the 721-2?

Williams FW05 -> Hesketh 308C: Chassi FW05-1 FW05-3
Hesketh 308C -> Williams FW05: Chassi 308c-2

Williams IR03 -> Williams FW03 -> Apollon:

Wolf WR8/9 -> Fittipaldi F7: Which of the Wolf chassis is it?

1978: Penske PC4 -> ATS PC4: ????

1979: ATS PC4 -> ATS HS1: ????

1990: Onyx ORE1B -> Monteverdi ORE1B : The same team ???

1975: Lola T371 -> Hill GH: Which of the Lola chassis is it?

1976: Ensign N175 -> Boro 001: The only build Ensign N175 is still today a Ensign, maybe rebuilt ?????

Williams FW04-2 -> McGuire BM1:

1978 / 79 - Lotus 78's and 79's rebadged as Team Rebaque cars: ????

1992 Coloni F3C -> Andrea Moda Formula: Which of the Coloni chassis is it?

1992 Simtek S 921 -> Andrea Moda Formula: No Simtek F1 modell name S921 only (S941 and S951)

1993 Reynard -> Pacific PRC 1: Which of the Reynard chassis is it?

1990 FIRST -> Life L 190: Which of the FIRST chassis is it?

1983 Alfa Romeo -> Osella FA1E: Which of the Alfa Romeo chassis is it?

1962 Emeryson -> ENB: Which of the Emeryson chassis is it?

1950 Maserati -> Milano: Which of the Maserati chassis is it?

1951 Maserati -> OSCA 4500: Which of the Maserati chassis is it?

1954 Veritas Meteor -> Klenk Meteor: Which of the Veritas Meteor chassis is it?

1968 Lola -> Honda RA 301: Which of the Lola chassis is it?

1950 Ferrari 125/375 -> Thin Wall Special: Which of the Ferrari chassis is it?

1954-56 Lancia D55 -> Ferrari-Lancia -> Ferrari 801: Which of the Ferrari chassis is it?

Politoys FX3 -> Iso FX3B (same team):

Shadow DN9 -> Arrows FA1 : Which of the Shadow chassis is it?

Shadow DN12 -> Theodore TR2: Which of the Shadow chassis is it?

Alfa Romeo 183T -> Osella FA1F (the first one, as far as I know).:

1994/1995 Benetton -> 1995 Ligier: Which of the Benetton chassis is it?

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#52 D-Type

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 20:16

There were four different Thinwall Specials. Which one are you looking for? The final one was Ascari's Indianapolis car, I believe.

#53 Pils1989

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 20:16

Tne ENB Emeryson, is it the Mk3 or the F1 here?
http://forums.atlasf...hlight=pilettes

#54 Vitesse2

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 23:12

The Eifelland 21 was March 721/4.

Lola T371 and Hill GH1 are interchangeable terms. The 1975 car was originally announced as the Lola T371, but when Andy Smallman left Lola to officially join Graham's team (he was more or less permanently seconded there anyway, I believe) the car was renamed the GH1. Thus Lola T371/HU1 is the same car as Hill GH1/1. There were four built.

The OSCA 4500s were not built on Maserati chassis, but they did do one conversion for "B Bira", fitting an OSCA engine in 4CLT/48 c/n 1598. Although it won on its first outing, it never showed any form thereafter.

The Speluzzi-engined Maserati is identified in Sheldon as 4CLT/50 c/n 1611.

The Lancia D50 slowly evolved into the Ferrari 801. Along the way there were two distinct modifications, the first of which appeared in Argentina, the second at Siracusa. But there were also all sorts of strange hybrids, so trying to work out which D50 became which 801 is nearly impossible.

#55 D-Type

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Posted 31 July 2005 - 21:50

Thinwall Ferraris from an article by Doug Nye in Historic Race and Rally Feb/March 1993

(1) 1.5 litre short chassis - 1948 British GP, returned to works, Chassis unknown
(2) 1.5 litre two-stage supercharged long chassis car - 1950 Silverstone International Trophy. Chassis 125-C-02
(3) Same car with 4.5 litre unsupercharged engine. Easter Goodwood 1952 and seven other races. Broken up by Vandervell. Subsequently rebuilt by Donington collection
(4) Indianapolis type 4.5 litre car. Fifteen races. Sold by Vandervell to the Donington Collection. chassis 010-375

Of course, since then further information may have come to light

#56 ghinzani

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 12:25

The '92 March is better known to us as Lotus 107 (or was it 109), IIRC.


Is that a fact or just a reference to Chris Murphy having design input as I recall into both??


#57 D.M.N.

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 13:46

Brabham BT60 >> Fondmetal GR02 >> Forti FG01. :)

Joe Saward's opinion? A "fearful pile of junk". :lol: http://www.grandprix...ns/ns00420.html

Edited by D.M.N., 02 June 2009 - 13:47.


#58 macoran

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 20:43

Here's a resume. it's still some ? that need straighten out
Shadow DN9 -> Arrows FA1 : Which of the Shadow chassis is it?


Copy maybe , but I don't think no Shadow ever became an Arrows

#59 Jonathan

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 22:50

1978: Penske PC4 -> ATS PC4
1979: ATS PC4 -> ATS HS1

Forgive me if I am mistaken, but I was under the impression that the ATS team used the Penske PC-6 chassis in 1977 when J-P Jarrier and later on Danny On-the-gas drove for them. Penske withdrew from F1 racing after the 1976 season where John Watson managed to win the Austrian GP for them.

Am I mistaken ?


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#60 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 22:51

Copy maybe , but I don't think no Shadow ever became an Arrows

Although I seem to recall Don Nicholls ended up with all the FA1 chassis after his legal action.
Wonder where they went?

#61 Jonathan

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 23:00

Here's a resume. it's still some ? that need straighten out

Shadow DN9 -> Arrows FA1 : Which of the Shadow chassis is it?



Copy maybe , but I don't think no Shadow ever became an Arrows

Basically for 1978 a good 70+% of the Shadow team revolted or "mutineed" against Don Nicols and formed the Arrows team. Don then proceeded to take Arrows to court where he apparently was able to prove that the Arrows team had "stolen" the design of the Shadow (if not actual physical materials) and forced the Arrows team to perform some hasty re-design of their existing car so as to thwart and further legal challenges as to the design of their car.


#62 Tim Murray

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 08:27

Forgive me if I am mistaken, but I was under the impression that the ATS team used the Penske PC-6 chassis in 1977 when J-P Jarrier and later on Danny On-the-gas drove for them. Penske withdrew from F1 racing after the 1976 season where John Watson managed to win the Austrian GP for them.

Am I mistaken ?

The Penske PC6 was an Indycar. The ATS team used PC4s. Full chassis details on Allen Brown's Old Racing Cars site:

http://www.oldracing....php?TypeID=PC4

#63 Fred.R

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 11:50

Not F1 but, Ralt RT37 and Gould GR37

#64 potmotr

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 12:04

2006 Honda ------> 2007 Super Aguri

#65 alansart

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 12:07

Although I seem to recall Don Nicholls ended up with all the FA1 chassis after his legal action.
Wonder where they went?


I seem to remember from a Don Nicholls/Shadow thread last year which reckons he still has them stored.

#66 D.M.N.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 12:14

Arrows 2002 >> Super Aguri 2006?

#67 ghinzani

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 13:39

I seem to remember from a Don Nicholls/Shadow thread last year which reckons he still has them stored.



Yep it was I who asked that question http://forums.autosp...p;hl=arrows fa1

#68 Allen Brown

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Posted 14 June 2009 - 12:29

Forgive me if I am mistaken, but I was under the impression that the ATS team used the Penske PC-6 chassis in 1977 when J-P Jarrier and later on Danny On-the-gas drove for them. Penske withdrew from F1 racing after the 1976 season where John Watson managed to win the Austrian GP for them.

Am I mistaken ?

Yes you are mistaken. ATS bought the Penske team and ran their PC4s for a season. Robin Herd then did a significant redesign of the cars and they were called ATS HS1s in 1978. However, ATS HS1/1 built from Penske PC4/1 under the skin and ATS HS1/2 from Penske PC4/2. ATS then built a third car which first appeared in practice at the Swedish GP which was said to have been built out of spares acquired from Penske with the original pair of PC4s.

You are mistaken on a number of other issues. In 1977, Ongais drove a third PC4 that had been built by Penske and had been sold to Interscope. This was nothing to do with the ATS Wheels operation. Jarier was the main driver for ATS in 1977 but Hans Binder drove the second car on a few occasions. Also, as has been pointed out earlier, the PC6 was an Indy car, not a F1 car.

Penske PC4/3, ex-Ongais, is now in the Penske Museum. Penske PC4/2, which I saw still at the ATS factory in the 1980s, is now in private hands, currently being stripped of its ATS modifications.

The first all-new ATS was the D1 which appeared late 1978 and was reworked as the D2 for 1979. The D3 was new mid-1979 but was itself renamed as a D4 for 1980 - but then after two races of 1980 the team produced an all-new design called ... the D4. So Autosport ended up calling them one thing and Motor Sport another. This is why so many web histories of the ATS marque are so confused.


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Posted 14 June 2009 - 15:13

Jarier was the main driver for ATS in 1977 but Hans Binder drove the second car on a few occasions.


Jarier / 1977 British GP, Silverstone - ATS (Penske PC4/02)...

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