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[Oleksij Hrushko]

Hello there!

I began to learn motorsport from 1950 because it was first WDC that year and I thought that it was a beginning. Now I know that it was mistaken opinion, but if I started something, I want to finish it. Now I’m trying to collect information about championships (world, international, regional, national), which were held this (1950) year, and here what I got. I hope TNF’ers’ll add (correct) more – dates and official titles of events, circuits, championships’ calendars, final standings.

FIA World Championship for drivers

Calendar
01 – IIIrd British Grand Prix (Silverstone) 13 May
02 – XIe Grand Prix de Monaco (Monte-Carlo) 21 May
03 – XXXIVth Indianapolis International Motor Sweepstakes (Indianapolis) 30 May
04 – X Grosser Preis der Schweiz (Bremgarten) 4 June
05 – XII Grote Prijs van Belgie (Spa-Francorchamps) 18 June
06 – XXXVIIe Grand Prix de l' A.C.F. (Reims) 2 July
07 – XXIo Gran Premio d'Italia (Monza) 3 September

Final Standings
1 Nino Farina Alfa Romeo 30
2 Juan Manuel Fangio Alfa Romeo 27
3 Luigi Fagioli Alfa Romeo 24
4 Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago 13
5 Alberto Ascari Ferrari 11
6 Johnnie Parsons Kurtis Kraft / Offenhauser 9
7 Bill Holland Deidt / Offenhauser 6
8 Prince Bira Maserati 5
9 Peter Whitehead Ferrari 4
10 Louis Chiron Maserati 4
11 Reg Parnell Alfa Romeo 4
12 Mauri Rose Deidt / Offenhauser 4
13 Dorino Serafini Ferrari 3
14 Yves Giraud-Cabantous Talbot-Lago 3
15 Raymond Sommer Ferrari 3
16 Robert Manzon Simca-Gordini 3
17 Cecil Green Kurtis Kraft / Offenhauser 3
18 Philippe Etancelin Talbot-Lago 3
19 Felice Bonetto Maserati / Milano 2
20 Eugene Chaboud Talbot-Lago 1
21 Tony Bettenhausen Kurtis Kraft / Offenhauser 1
22 Joie Chitwood Kurtis Kraft / Offenhauser 1

Comments: only 4 best results counted to championship

FIA European Grand Prix

Calendar
XI Grand Prix d’Europe (AKA GP Great Britain) (Silverstone) 13 May

Final standings
1 Nino Farina Alfa Romeo
2 Luigi Fagioli Alfa Romeo
3 Reg Parnell Alfa Romeo
4 Yves Giraud-Cabantous Talbot-Lago
5 Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago
6 Bob Gerard ERA
7 Cuth Harrison ERA
8 Philippe Etancelin Talbot-Lago
9 David Hampshire Maserati
10 Joe Fry / Brian Shawe-Taylor Maserati
11 Johnny Claes Talbot-Lago

Comments: Did winner got a title of European champion?

FIA International Cup for Constructors (taken from fines’s site)

Calendar
Not known

Final standings
Not known

Comments: What was it? Was calendar the same as for WDC? If yes, what was the main idea in final standings – best result of constructor in WDC counted to championship? And what about AAA constructors?

AAA National Championship

Calendar
01 – Indianapolis 500 Mile Race-? (Indianapolis) 30 May
02 – Milwaukee 100 Mile Race-? (Milwaukee Mile) 11 June
03 – Langhorne 100 Mile Race-? (Langhorne) 25 June
04 – Springfield 77 Mile Race/100 Mile?-? (Springfield)19 August
05 – Milwaukee 200 Mile Race-? (Milwaukee Mile) 28 August
06 – Pike's Peak Hill Climb-? (Pike's Peak) 4 September
07 – Syracuse 100 Mile Race-? (Syracuse) 9 September
08 – Detroit 100 Mile Race-? (Detroit) 10 September
09 – Springfield 100 Mile Race-? (Springfield) 1 October
10 – Sacramento 100 Mile Race-? (Sacramento) 15 October
11 – Phoenix 100 Mile Race-? (Phoenix) 12 November
12 – Bay Meadows 150 Mile Race-? (Bay Meadows) 26 November
13 – Darlington 200 Miles Race-? (Darlington) 10 December

Final standings
1 Henry Banks 1390.0
2 Walt Faulkner 1317.0
3 Johnnie Parsons 1313.0
4 Cecil Green 1190.0
5 Tony Bettenhausen 1027.5
6 Duke Dinsmore 1017.0
7 Paul Russo 928.0
8 Chuck Stevenson 764.0
9 Jack McGrath 736.5
10 Bill Schindler 690.0
11 Lee Wallard 637.0
12 Jimmy Davies 605.5
13 Bill Holland 552.0
14 Fred Agabashian 532.5
15 Mauri Rose 483.0
16 Andy Linden 459.5
17 Duke Nalon 394.0
18 Mack Hellings 340.0
19 Joie Chitwood 337.5
20 George Connor 282.5
21 Cliff Griffith 255.0
22 Ray Knepper 255.0
23 Sam Hanks 240.0
24 Joe James 212.5
25 Al Rogers 200.0
26 Neal Carter 170.0
27 Harry Turner 164.5
28 Herb Bryers 160.0
29 Louis Unser 140.0
30 Bill Mackey 125.0
31 George Hammond 120.0
32 Jerry Hoyt 110.0
33 Pat Flaherty 103.5
34 Charles Bryant 100.0
35 Walt Killinger 80.0
36 Dick Rathmann 80.0
37 Myron Fohr 69.0
38 Lloyd Axel 60.0
39 Frank Burany 60.0
40 Joel Thorne 50.0
41 Troy Ruttman 46.0
42 Walt Brown 41.5
43 Johnny Mauro 40.0
44 Bayliss Levrett 36.0
45 Duane Carter 34.5
46 Shelby Hill 30.0
47 Rodger Ward 30.0
48 Delmar Desch 20.0
49 Bobby Ball 15.0
50 Jimmy Good 10.0
51 Ralph Pratt 9.5
52 Johnny McDowell 6.0

Comments: No official race titles (names) avaible. Why it was no races in July? No points for 10th-12th places on 4th round (?).

NASCAR Grand national

Calendar
01 Daytona Beach Course-? Daytona Beach, FL 5 February
02 Charlotte Speedway-? Charlotte, NC 2 April
03 Langhorne Sppedway-? Langhorne, PA 16 April
04 Martinsville Speedway-? Martinsville, VA 21 May
05 Canfield Motor Speedway-? Canfield, OH 30 May
06 Vernon Fairgrounds-? Vernon, NY 18 June
07 Dayton Speedway-? Dayton, OH 25 June
08 Monroe County Fairgrounds-? Rochester, NY 2 July
09 Charlotte Speedway-? Charlotte, NC 23 July
10 Occoneechee Speedway-? Hillsboro, NC 13 August
11 Dayton Speedway-? Dayton, OH 20 August
12 Hamburg Speedway-? Hamburg, NY 27 August
13 Southern 500 (Darlington Raceway) Darlington, SC 4 September
14 Langhorne Speedway-? Langhorne, PA 17 September
15 N. Wilkesboro Speedway-? N. Wilkesboro, NC 24 September
16 Vernon Fairgrounds-? Vernon, NY 1 October
17 Martinsville Speedway-? Martinsville, VA 15 October
18 Funk's Speedway-? Winchester, IN 15 October
19 Occoneechee Speedway-? Hillsboro, NC 29 October

Final standings
01 Bill Rexford 1959.0
02 Fireball Roberts 1848.5
03 Lee Petty 1590.0
04 Lloyd Moore 1398.0
05 Curtis Turner 1375.5
06 Johnny Mantz 1282.0
07 Chuck Mahoney 1217.5
08 Dick Linder 1121.0
09 Jimmy Florian 801.0
10 Bill Blair 766.0
11 Herb Thomas 590.5
12 Buck Baker 531.5
13 Cotton Owens 500.0
14 Fonty Flock 458.5
15 Weldon Adams 440.0
16 Tim Flock 437.5
17 Clyde Minter 427.0
18 Dick Burns 341.5
19 Art Laney 320.0
20 Bob Flock 314.0
21 George Hartley 298.0
22 Gayle Warren 287.5
23 Frank Munday 275.5
24 Jim Paschal 220.5
25 Jack White 211.5
26 Pappy Hough 207.5
27 Ray Duhigg 202.5
28 Leon Sales 200.0
29 Jimmy Thompson 200.0
30 Harold Kite 187.0
31 Neil Cole 183.5
32 Jack Smith 180.0
33 Bucky Sager 180.0
34 Red Harvey 180.0
35 Ted Swaim 180.0
36 Buck Barr 180.0
37 Pepper Cunningham 177.5
38 Ewell Weddle 173.5
39 Donald Thomas 164.0
40 Bill Snowden 163.5
41 Jimmie Lewallen 140.0
42 Chuck James 140.0
43 Dick Clothier 133.5
44 Paul Parks 124.5
45 Al Gross 124.0
46 Jack Reynolds 120.0
47 Jim Delaney 114.0
48 Carl Renner 108.0
49 Jack Holloway 107.5
50 Bob Dickson 105.0
51 J.C.Van Landingham 105.0

Comments: No point system avaible. No official race titles. No race results avaible, only winners (can anybody help?). Not sure, that final standings are only for 51 driver.

Italian F1 Championsip

Calendar
Not known

Final standings
1 Farina
2 Fagioli
etc?

Comments: What was the main idea of this championship – only italian drivers’ results in F1 races counted to general classification? Or general classification in WDC without foreigner pilots? What races counted to championship? Point system?

Italian F2 Championship

Calendar
Not known

Final standings
1 Ascari
2 Villoresi
3 Fagioli
4 Tadini ?
etc ?

Comments: What was the main idea of this championship – only italian drivers’ results in F2 races counted to general classification? What races counted to championship? Point system?

French F1 Championship

Calendar
Not known

Final standings
Not known (Rosier – champion?)

Comments: Did this year championship exist?

French F2 Championship

Calendar
Not known

Final standings
Not known

Comments: Did this year championship exist?

[Oleksij Hrushko]

Sorry for 2 posts

West (MSK?) German Formula 2 Championship

Calendar
01 – IV Maipokalrennen (Hockenheim) 14 May
02 – XIV Internationales ADAC Eifelrennen (Nürburgring) 11 June
03 – VI Solituderennen (Grosser Preis von Solitude) (Solitude) 13 August
04 – III DMV Grenzlandringrennen (Grenzlandring) 17 September

Final standings
1 Karl Kling Veritas 12
2 Toni Ulmen Veritas – BMW 11
3 Fritz Riess AFM – BMW 10
4 Willi Heeks AFM – BMW 9
5 Karl Gommann AFM – BMW 7
6 Herrmann Lang Veritas 4
7 Hans Stuck AFM – Kuchen 3
8 Heinz-Gerd Jäger Veritas – BMW 1

Comments: Eifelrennen was 2nd round of championship (source - Sheldon). Before Eifelrennen there was no other F2 races in BRD exept Maipokalrennen – we got 1st round. On programm of Solituderennen we can read that it was 3rd round of BRD championship for race cars. About final round – I think, that Championship had 4 rounds, as F3 and BRD Championships in other years. It can be GP Germany or Grenzalndringrennen. GP Germany in calendar of BRD F2 Champ we can found since 1952, and Grenzaldringrennen – till 1951. And its more logically (and simply) to give points for national event, not for international, to non-german drivers.

West (MSK?) German Formula 3 Championship

Calendar
01 – Eifelrennen (Nürburgring) 11 June
02 – Grosser Bergpreis Freiburg-Schauinsland (Freiburg) 6 August
03 – Solituderennen (Solitude) 12 August
04 – GP Germany (Nürburgring) 20 August

Final standings
1. Toni Kreuzer Cooper JAP 12
2. Ferdi Lehder LTE-Brillant BMW 10
3. Walter Schlüter Monopoletta BMW 10
4. Walter Komossa Scampolo 501 DKW 6
5. Helmut Polensky Monopoletta BMW 6
6. Gottfried Vollmer Atlas JAP 5
7. Hellmut Deutz Scampolo 501 DKW 4
8. Adolf Glunz Scampolo 501 DKW 3
9. Oscar Frank Cooper JAP 3
10. Willy Arnolds Scampolo 502 BMW 2
11. Günther Schlüter Scampolo 501 DKW 1
12. Otto Kolan OK BMW 1
13. Helm Glöckler Deutsch-Bonnet Panhard 1

Comments: Point system 6-4-3-2-1. If equal points – comparing results of Eifelrennen. Kreuzer got title without wins.

East German (ONS?) German Formula 2 Championship

Calendar
01? – Sternbergrennen-? (circuit unknown) 18 June
02? - I Strassen-Rennen Halle-Saale-Schleife (Halle-Saale Schleife) 25 June
03? – I Rund Um Das Scheibenholz (Leipziger Stadtpark) 9 July
04? - II Sachsenring-Rennen (Sachsenring) 27 August
05? final round - II Dessaurundstrecken-Rennen (Dessauer Rennstrecke) 1 October

Final standings
1 Greifzu (?)
etc (?)

Comments: No official calendar avaible. Sheldon only says that Dessaurundstrecken-Rennen was a final round of East German F2 Championship. No results of Sternbergrennen. No official point system and final standings.

East German (ONS?) Formula 3 Championship

Calendar
Not known

Final standings
1 Richard Weiser, Weiser-BMW Special
etc - ?

Comments: No official calendar avaible. May be the same as East German F2? No official point system and final standings.

East German (ONS?) 750cc Racing Car Championship

Calendar
01? – Tubinger Stadtringrennen (Tubingen) 18 June
02? - Strassen-Rennen Halle-Saale-Schleife (Halle-Saale Schleife) 25 June
03? – Rund Um Das Scheibenholz (Leipziger Stadtpark) 9 July
04? - Sachsenring-Rennen (Sachsenring) 27 August
05? - Dessaurundstrecken-Rennen (Dessauer Rennstrecke) 1 October

Final standings
1 Willy Lehmann, Lehmann BMW Special
etc ?

Comments: No official calendar avaible. May be the same as East German F3? No official point system and final standings.

West German SportsCar Championship

Calendar
? – Maipokalrennen (Hockenheim) 14 May
? – Eifelrennen (Nurburgring) 11 June
? – Rund um Schotten (Schotten) 25 June
? - Grosser Bergpreis Freiburg-Schauinsland (Freiburg) 6 August
? – Solituderennen (Solitude) 12 August
? – Grenzlandringrennen (Grenzlandring) 17 September

Final standings
Not known

Comments: No official calendar known. On race programms of Eifelrennen, Rund um Schotten, Grosser Bergpreis Freiburg-Schauinsland is written, that they are rounds of Deutsche Meisterschaftslauft fur Sportwagen (Round of German Championship for SportCars), and on Solituderennen – the same + III. (third round). No race rusults for Rund um Schotten and Grosser Bergpreis Freiburg-Schauinsland (SC). No official pointsystem (6-4-3-2-1 ?) and final standings. Was championship only for 2.0 l cars, or for 1.5 l and 1.1 l too?

East German SportsCar Championship

Calendar
Not known

Final standings
Not known

Comments: Did this year championship exist?

Argentinian Turismo Carretera Championship

Calendar
Not known

Final standings
1 Juan Galvez, Ford
etc?

Comments: No official calendar avaible. No official point system and final standings.

Temporada

Calendar
01 – II Gran Premio Juan Domingo Peron (Palermo) 18 December 1949
02 – IV Gran Premio Extraordinario de Eva Duarte Peron (Palermo) 8 January
03 – III Gran Premio Internacional del General San Martín (El Torreón) 15 January
04 – IV Copa Acción de San Lorenzo (Parque independencia ) 22 January

Final standings
Not known (Villoresi – champion?)

Comments: Was it championship or only race serie without general classification

New Zealand Championship

Calendar
II New Zealand Championship Road Race (Wigram Airfield) 25 February

Final standings
1 Hec Green
2 Sybil Lupp
3 Halsey Logan
4 Fred Zambucka
5 David Owen
6 Garry Coglan
7 Hec McLean
8 John McMillan
9 Morrie Proctor
10 Bill Cope
11 Don Ransley
12 Ron Roycroft

Comments: Did winner got a title of New Zealand champion?

USSR Championship

Calendar
Line 300 km race (Moscow-Minsk highway) 2 August

Final standings
2,5 l class
1 Mikhail Metelev, Pobeda
etc?
1,2 l class
1 Lev Givartovskij, Moskvich
etc?

Comments: Full results not avaible


May be some else championships that year? I know, many mistakes - please correct them!

[conjohn]

Hi there, Oleksij

Originally posted by Oleksij Hrushko

FIA European Grand Prix
Comments: Did winner got a title of European champion?

No, this was an honorary title given to one Grand Prix a year in Europe.

FIA International Cup for Constructors (taken from fines’s site)

Comments: What was it? Was calendar the same as for WDC? If yes, what was the main idea in final standings – best result of constructor in WDC counted to championship? And what about AAA constructors?

The Constructors Championship didn't start until 1958, but the races were the same as for the WDC, with the exception of the Indianapolis 500's in '58 - '60. Therefore the AAA constructors were not eligible.

NASCAR Grand national
Comments: No point system avaible. No official race titles. No race results avaible, only winners (can anybody help?). Not sure, that final standings are only for 51 driver.

This site will answer all questions about the NASCAR results... http://www.racing-reference.com/wc.htm

[GIGLEUX]

French F1 champion: Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago

French F2 champion: Robert Manzon Gordini

[anjakub]

Originally posted by Oleksij Hrushko

USSR Championship

Calendar
Line 300 km race (Moscow-Minsk highway) 2 August

Final standings
2,5 l class
1 Mikhail Metelev, Pobeda
etc?
1,2 l class
1 Lev Givartovskij, Moskvich
etc?

Comments: Full results not avaible

Moscow - Minsk
2 August 1950
start: 30 x Pobeda, 13 x Moskvich

300 km
1. Mikhail A. Metelev/v. Rodionov (Gorky), Pobeda Sport, 2:02.15,0 = 147,221
2. N. Sorokin/A. Shalashov, (Gorky), Pobeda
3. K. Nikishin/E. Belakov, (Gorky), Pobeda

100 km
1. Lev Giwartowskij/Aleksandr Kokorev, (Moscow) Moskvich 403 E424 = 116,754
2. M. Turkov/A. Glazov, (Moscow), Moskvich 400
3. V. Kachigin/N. Shkaldanov, (Moscow), Moskvich 403 E424

[Udo K.]

German Sportscar Championship 1950
1100 ccm: 1. Walter Glöckler
1500 ccm: 1. Paul Pietsch
2000 ccm: 1. Fritz Riess

German F2 Championship
1. Toni Ulmen

Argentinian Sports Car Championship:
1. Roberto Mieres

Campionato Italiano Sport:
1100 ccm: Piero Scotti
1500 ccm: Francesco Apruzzi
over 1500 ccm: Giovanni Bracco
750 ccm: Sesto Leonardi

Campionato Italiano Assoluti: 1. Giuseppe Farina

I think there was no special F1 and F2 championship in Italy, but only the general "Italian Championship".
I suppose F1 and F2 races counted as well as other big events. But I don't know anything about the point system.

[fines]

As there's probably some input from my (oldish) site, I think I need to answer here, but please bear with me until I'm sober again!

Suffice to say that the Constructors Championship was awarded before 1958 already, if and to the make of car that the WDC used to score all his points with.

About the European Grand Prix/Championship, that's a bit of speculation from my side. The EGP was only ever held when there was no EC, and vice versa. Hm.

Last point (for now), you've got the sanctioning bodies for the East and West German Championships the wrong way - ONS (Oberste Nationale Sportbehörde = AvD + ADAC) for West Germany, MSK (Motor Sport Kommission??? I can't recall...) for GDR.

Ah yes, and about the points for 10-12th place in the AAA race: In the 40s and 50s (~), points were only awarded if 50% of race distance was covered. Maybe that applies, too lazy and to check...

[uechtel]

Oleksij, a bit of mismatching here:

West German Formula 2 Championship

Calendar (same as in Formula 3!)
01 – IV Maipokalrennen (Hockenheim) 14 May
02 – XIV Internationales ADAC Eifelrennen (Nürburgring) 11 June
03 – VI Solituderennen (Grosser Preis von Solitude) (Solitude) 13 August
04 – III DMV Grenzlandringrennen (Grenzlandring) 17 September

Final standings
1 Karl Kling Veritas 12
2 Toni Ulmen Veritas – BMW 11
3 Fritz Riess AFM – BMW 10
4 Willi Heeks AFM – BMW 9
5 Karl Gommann AFM – BMW 7
6 Herrmann Lang Veritas 4
7 Hans Stuck AFM – Kuchen 3
8 Heinz-Gerd Jäger Veritas – BMW 1

Comments: Eifelrennen was 2nd round of championship (source - Sheldon). Before Eifelrennen there was no other F2 races in BRD exept Maipokalrennen – we got 1st round. On programm of Solituderennen we can read that it was 3rd round of BRD championship for race cars. About final round – I think, that Championship had 4 rounds, as F3 and BRD Championships in other years. It can be GP Germany or Grenzalndringrennen. GP Germany in calendar of BRD F2 Champ we can found since 1952, and Grenzaldringrennen – till 1951. And its more logically (and simply) to give points for national event, not for international, to non-german drivers.

So why guess if you can ask...

correct calendar:
01 - Eifelrennen (Nürburgring) 11 June
02 - Großer Bergpreis Freiburg Schauinsland 6 August
03 - Solituderennen 13 August
04 - Großer Preis von Deutschland 20 August


Formula 2:
1. Toni Ulmen / Veritas-Special 4 + 4 + 0 + 6 = 14 points
2. Fritz Rieß / AFM-BMW 6 + 6 + 0 + 0 = 12
3. Karl Gommann / AFM-BMW 3 + 0 + 2 + 4 = 9
4. Karl Kling / Veritas Meteor III 0 + 1 + 6 + 0 = 7
Hans Stuck / AFM-Küchen 0 + 4 + 3 + 0 = 7
6. Hermann Lang / Veritas Meteor II 0 + 0 + 4 + 0 = 4
7. Adolf Brudes / Veritas RS 0 + 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
8. Heinz-Gerd Jäger / Veritas RS 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 = 1

Sports cars 2 litre:
1. Fritz Rieß / Veritas RS 6 + 6 + 0 + 6 = 18 points
2. Kurt Adolff / Veritas RS 2 + 0 + 6 + 3 = 9
Willi Krakau / Krakau-BMW 4 + 0 + 3 + 2 = 9
4. Helmut Niedermayr / Reif-BMW 0 + 4 + 4 + 0 = 8
5. Theo Helfrich / Veritas RS 3 + 3 + 0 + 1 = 7
6. Karl-Günther Bechem / BMW 328 0 + 0 + 0 + 4 = 4
7. Walter Assenheimer / BMW "Spezial" (328 Touring) 0 + 1 + 2 + 0 = 3
8. Toni Ulmen / Veritas RS 0 + 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
9. Karl-Heinz Schäufele / BMW 328 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 1
Oswald Karch / Veritas RS 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 = 1

Sports cars 1.5 litre:
1. Paul Pietsch / Veritas RS 6 + 0 + 6 + 0 = 12 points
2. Hermann Kathrein / Veritas RS 0 + 6 + 4 + 0 = 10
Helm Glöckler / Veritas RS 4 + 0 + 0 + 6 = 10
4. Willy Spindler / Neumaier-BMW 2 + 3 + 0 + 4 = 9
5. Ernst Troeltsch / Veritas RS 0 + 4 + 0 + 0 = 4
6. "Dr. Ring" / Veritas RS 3 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 3
Heinz-Gerd Jäger / MG Eigenbau 0 + 0 + 3 + 0 = 3

sorry, 1.1 litre not available at the moment. So you must calculate by yourself. Champion was Walter Glöckler (VW Eigenbau).

East German (ONS?) German Formula 2 Championship

never was such a thing in 1950. The championship was intriduced only in 1951. But in true East German style the title "DDR-Bester" seems to have been awarded everytime when there was no "proper" championship (as for example Krause in 1954). Sort of inoffical title.

In 1950 the "titles" went to:

Formula 2: Paul Greifzu / Greifzu-BMW
Formula 3: Richard Weiser / Eigenbau
Kleinstrennwagen: Willi Lehmann / BMW-Eigenbau
Sports car 1.1 l: Hans-Joachim Kranke / VW-Eigenbau
Sports cars 1.5l: Kurt Baum / BMW-Eigenbau
Sports cars 2l: Kurt Straubel / BMW-Eigenbau

Also because of the unofficial character I have no idea about the point systems neither which races counted towards the championship. Usually in East Germany the classes did not run according to "parallel" calendars. That means despite all classes were present a particular race did not necessarily count towards the championships in ALL of the classes!

Comments: No official calendar avaible. Sheldon only says that Dessaurundstrecken-Rennen was a final round of East German F2 Championship. No results of Sternbergrennen. No official point system and final standings.

Sternbergrennen:

Sternbergrennen - 18 June
Hill climb. Track was between Zella-Mehlis and Oberhof.

Formula 2:
Results (according to Greifzu´s biography):

1. Paul Greifzu - Greifzu-BMW
2. Helmut Niedermayr - Reif-BMW
3. Kurt Baum - Baum-BMW

but according to the race programme only Greifzu and Baum started in the Formula 2 class, while Niedermayr´s car is listed among the 2 litre sports cars. But then it was a "combined" run. Makes not much sense to me...

Don´t think the race would have counted towards the championship anyway.

West German SportsCar Championship

Calendar
? – Maipokalrennen (Hockenheim) 14 May
? – Eifelrennen (Nurburgring) 11 June
? – Rund um Schotten (Schotten) 25 June
? - Grosser Bergpreis Freiburg-Schauinsland (Freiburg) 6 August
? – Solituderennen (Solitude) 12 August
? – Grenzlandringrennen (Grenzlandring) 17 September

i]Comments[/i]: No official calendar known. On race programms of Eifelrennen, Rund um Schotten, Grosser Bergpreis Freiburg-Schauinsland is written, that they are rounds of Deutsche Meisterschaftslauft fur Sportwagen (Round of German Championship for SportCars), and on Solituderennen – the same + III. (third round). No race rusults for Rund um Schotten and Grosser Bergpreis Freiburg-Schauinsland (SC). No official pointsystem (6-4-3-2-1 ?) and final standings. Was championship only for 2.0 l cars, or for 1.5 l and 1.1 l too?

See my calendar above. The cover of the Schauinsland race says "2nd championship run for race and sports cars" and in addition to that I have a press information of the Solitude race that gives the championship standings calculated after TWO races (Eifelrennen and Schauinsland). So I think the word "Meisterschaftslauf" on the Schotten cover refers to motorcycles as after the accident of 1949 the circuit was regarded unsafe and only the "motorcycle-like" classes Formula 3 and Kleinstrennwagen were there in 1950.

[GIGLEUX]

By reading the race account of Freiburg-Schauinsland in Automobil-Revue, I found interesting information. Under the title 1950 German championship:
After this second heat,

-Sportscars up to 1100cc:
1.W.Glöckner Frankfurt12 pts
2.v.Falkenhausen 8 pts
3.Vollmer and Kulzer 3pts

Sportscars up to 1500cc:
1.Pietsch and Kathrein 6 pts
2.G.Glöckler and Troeltsch 4 pts

Sportscars up to 2000cc:
Riess 12 pts
2.Helfrich 6 pts
3.Krakau and Niedermayr 4 pts

Racing cars F3:
1.Komossa and Polensky 6 pts
2.Lehder, Kreuzer and Deutz 4 pts

Racing cars F2:
1.Riess 12 pts
2.Ulmen 8 pts
3.Stuck 4 pts

[Udo K.]

Originally posted by GIGLEUX
By reading the race account of Freiburg-Schauinsland in Automobil-Revue, I found interesting information. Under the title 1950 German championship:
After this second heat,

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Gigleux,

does the report give full results of the hillclimb? If yes, would you be so kind and post them?
Thanks a lot!

[uechtel]

Udo, here the complete results:

Formula 1:

1. No. 162 Pietsch, Freiburg, Maserati 8.16,5 = 87,05 km/h (fastest time of all cars)
2. No. 160 Bonetto, Milan, Maserati 8.29,4 = 84,8 km/h
3. No. 163 Herbster, Lörrach, Bugatti 10.20,8 = 69,6 km/h


Formula 2:

championship standings before Schauinsland:
1. Rieß 6 points
2. Ulmen 4 points
3. Gommann 3 points

race result:
1. No. 121 Rieß, Nürnberg, AFM 8.28,5 = 85,0 km/h (new record)
2. No. 115 Fischer, Zürich, HWM 8.33,4 = 84,05 km/h
3. No. 125 Ulmen, Düsseldorf, Veritas 8.42,9 = 82,6 km/h
No. 131 Stuck, Grainau, AFM-Küchen same time
5. No. 110 Brudes, Berlin, Veritas 8.46,8 = 82,0 km/h
6. No. 113 Loyer, Clichy, Simca 8.47,2 = 81,95 km/h
7. No. 118 Greifzu, Suhl, BMW-Eigenbau 8.48,7 = 81,6 km/h
8. No. 108 Glauser, Bern, Veritas Meteor 8.51,9 = 81,2 km/h
9. Kling, Stuttgart, Veritas 8.53,6 = 81,0 km/h
10. Anderson, Walton, HWM 9.01,1 = 79,6 km/h
11. "Marcy", Berne, Veritas 9.04,7 = 79,3 km/h
12. Seiler, Romanshorn, Simca-Gordini 9.15,2 = 77,9 km/h
13. de Terra, Zollikon, Cisitalia 9.18,1 = 77,4 km/h
14. Dattner, Zürich, Simca-Gordini 9.20,1 = 77,2 km/h
15. Gommann, Remscheid, AFM 9.23,5 = 76,7 km/h
16. Robert, Clichy, Cistalia 9.54,0 = 72,8 km/h
17. Huber, Zürich, Cisitalia 10.05,6 = 71,4 km/h
18. Gerbel, Lörrach, BMW-Eigenbau 10.21,7 = 69,5 km/h
dnf von Brauchitsch, Starnberg, AFM
dnf Aebli, Uster/CH, Veritas-Meteor

championship standings after Schauinsland:
1. Rieß 12 points
2. Ulmen 8 points
3. Stuck 4 points
4. Gomman, Brudes 3 points
6. Greifzu 2 points (!!!) just noticed that! So an all-German championship???


Formula 3:

championship standings before Schauinsland:
1. Komossa 6 points (so two races already run)
2. Lehder 4 points
3. Glunz 3 points
4. Deutz 2 points
5. Schlüter 1 point

race result:
1. Polensky, Karlsruhe, Monopoletta 9.26,8 = 76,2 km/h
2. Kreuzer, München, Cooper 9.27,0 = 76,2 km/h
3. Vollmer, Kettwig, Atlas 9.39,4 = 74,5 km/h
4. Deutz, Lüdenscheid, Scampolo 10.01,2 = 71,9 km/h
5. W. Schlüter, Essen, Monopoletta 10.03,9 = 71,5 km/h
6. Komossa, Recklinghausen, Scampolo 10.08,0 = 71,0 km/h
7. Herbster, Lörrach, MH 3 10.12,3 = 70,6 km/h
8. Glunz, Lüdenscheid, Scampolo 10.17,0 = 70,0 km/h
9. G. Schlüter, Wanne-Eickel, Scampolo 10.28,0 = 68,8 km/h
10. Keller, Zürich, Keller 10.31,2 = 67,7 km/h
11. Arnolds, Recklinghausen, Scampolo 10.38,1 = 67,7 km/h
12. Lucas, Frankfurt, Monopoletta 10.39,7 = 67,5 km/h (possibly mismatch with sports car?)
13. Rentrop, Lüdenscheid, Scampolo 10.52,9 = 66,2 km/h
14. Budde, Aachen, Condor 11.10,3 = 64,4 km/h
dnf Lehder, Neu-Isenburg, LTE-Brillant


Kleinstrennwagen

no championship that season!

race result:
1. Zimmermann, Lörrach, MH 2 9.18,7 = 77,3 km/h
2. Kohlrausch, Eisenach, G.v.B. 9.23,3 = 76,7 km/h
3. Becker, Berghausen, BMW 10.33,0 = 68,2 km/h
4. Klipfel, Waldkirch, SKK 11.49,4 = 60,9 km/h


SPorts cars 2 litre:

championship standings before Schauinsland:
1. Rieß 6 points
2. Krakau 4 points
3. Helfrich 3 points
4. Adolff 2 points

race result:
1. No. 6 Rieß, Nürnberg, Veritas 8.46,7 = 81,9 km/h
2. No. 4 Niedermayr, Berlin, BMW-Reif 8.49,8 = 81,5 km/h
3. No. 19 Helfrich, Mannheim, Veritas 8.57,1 = 80,4 km/h
4. No. 2 Ulmen, Düsseldorf, Veritas 9.12,4 = 78,2 km/h
5. No. 7 Assenheimer, Heilbronn, BMW-Eigenbau 9.27,0 = 76,15 km/h
6. No 14 Adolff, Stolberg. Veritas 9.35,3 = 75,1 km/h
7. Halter, Schweiz, Veritas 9.35,8 km/h = 75,0 km/h
8. Martin, Rottweil, Veritas 9.44,8 = 73,9 km/h
9. Staechlin, Basel, Ferrari 10.17,5 = 70,0 km/h
dnf Widenmeyer, Göppingen, BMW

championship standings after Schauinsland:
1. Rieß 12 points
2. Helfrich 6 points
3. Krakau, Niedermayr 4 points
5. Adolff, Ulmen 2 points
7. Assenheimer 1 point


Sports cars 1.5 litre

championship standings before Schauinsland:
1. Pietsch 6 points
2. H. Glöckler 4 points
3. Ring 3 points

race result:
1. No. 22 Kathrein, Lorsbach, BMW-Veritas 9.05,5 = 79,2 km/h (new class record)
2. No. 30 Troeltsch, Freiburg, Veritas 9.21,8 = 76,8 km/h
3. No. 24 Hammernick, Birsfelden, BMW 9.27,3 = 76,1 km/h
4. No. 26 Schuler, Frauenfeld, Veritas 10.16,6 = 70,0 km/h
5. No. 25 Spindler, Rottweil, Neumaier-Spezial, 10.26,4 = 60,0 km/h
6. No. 28 Lucas, Frankfurt/USA, Expediter 10.39,7 = 67,5 km/h
dnf H. Glöckler, Frankfurt, Veritas
dns Roos, Winterthur, BMW-AFM
dns Sturzebecher

championship standings after Schauinsland:
1. Pietsch, Kathrein 6 points
3. Glöckler, Troeltsch 4 points
5. Ring, Spindler 3 points


Sports cars 1.1 litre

championship standings before Schauinsland:
1. W. Glöckler 6 points
2. Falkenhausen 4 points
3. Kulzer 3 points
4. Trenkel 2 points
5. Polensky 1 point

race result:
1. No. 51 W. Glöckler, Frankfurt, VW-Eigenbau 9.30,9 = 75,8 km/h new class record
2. No. 49 von Falkenhausen, München, AFM 9.50,7 = 72,85 km/h
3. No. 47 Vollmer, Kettwig, VW-Spezial 9.50,9 = 72,8 km/h
4. No. 59 von Hanstein, Calenberg, Pertrix-VW 9.52,4 = 72,7 km/h
5. No. 61 "Herve", Geneve, MG 10.02,8 = 71,6 km/h
6. No 52 Dübbers, Düsseldorf, AF 10.15,0 = 70,1 km/h
7. No. 41 Müller, Velpke, VW-Eigenbau 10.17,7 = 69,9 km/h

championship standings after Schauinsland:
1. W. Glöckler 12 points
2. Falkenhausen 8 points
3. Vollmer, Kulzer 3 points
5. Trenkel, von Hanstein 2 points
7. Polensky, Dübbers 1 point

so an additional round for the small sports cars and Formula 3!

[Udo K.]

Thank you, Uechtel, just GREAT

[uechtel]

Stets zu Diensten...

Udo, here the complete results:

But it seems, that I have to correct myself slightly. The results of the 1100 cc class might be not complete!

Reason is that I have copies from original press release of the organizers. But there are two versions, one immediately after the race containing a number of errors (Fischer in seventh place in Formula 2 and mismatched entrant and driver at Adolff´s car etc.) and unfortunately the page I have ends before the 1100 cc class.

The second edition is a corrected one issued later that day containing official results but not the complete lists down to the last finisher any more.

[quintin cloud]

You can go and have a look at my page for the 1950 F1 Constructor championship and what it may have looked like but please note that this is UNOFFICAL the 1950 Constructors championship NEVER happened

URL'S For 1950 Constructors championship http://members.fortu...5/f11950con.htm

And my webpage is listed below.

[Don Capps]

I realize that this is poor manners and represents a serious lack of hospitality on my part (for which I apologize), but this thread and another similar thread (among the many....) which also asked for information in the form of results and race data, prompts me to ask whether or not there is any real interest in the events themselves. I use race data as the basic framework upon which a tale is contructed. As appreciated as such race data is, it truly provides only the barest of of ideas about the event it records various data. Placing the data into a context that describes the events surrounding and pertaining to an event is what I think we strive for in providing as good a record that we can of an event, a series, or a season.

Contrary to popular belief, the (postwar) automotive calendar did not begin with 1950 and the institution of a world driving championship by the CSI. The sheer volume of the events listed gives an idea of just how much motor racing had bounced back, especially in Europe and other areas outside North America. As someone generaly not interested in race data for the sake of the race data -- and it is important, but in building as complete a view of the event, season or series as possible, I hope that this information piques someone's curiosity and they get "the rest of the story" as they say.

[Udo K.]

Originally posted by Don Capps
but this thread and another similar thread (among the many....) which also asked for information in the form of results and race data, prompts me to ask whether or not there is any real interest in the events themselves. I use race data as the basic framework upon which a tale is contructed. As appreciated as such race data is, it truly provides only the barest of of ideas about the event it records various data. Placing the data into a context that describes the events surrounding and pertaining to an event is what I think we strive for in providing as good a record that we can of an event, a series, or a season.

Don, I do share your point completely, still I sometimes ask for race data, as I think they can tell you a lot, even if one does not have the full story of the event in question. In some old magazins or newspapers one can find a "story", but only incomplete results - another reason to ask for data.
So I believe you need both, the tale of the race and the data to arrive at a complete picture.

[Don Capps]

Originally posted by Udo K.
So I believe you need both, the tale of the race and the data to arrive at a complete picture.

Absolutely! However, at times it seems the emphasis is more on the results than the event itself when you browse through many of the requests that we get. The incomplete results that mar many a good race report is one thing, but results simply as an end unto themselves is another thing -- at least in my tired eyes.

Having been stymied by blanks in both the results and the story aspects of more than a few events, I usually don't have too many qualms in providing race data here on TNF. The vast and overwhelming majority of requests are sincere, well-meant, and well-intended; however, every once in awhile, if you get my drift, I do wonder about some of the "requests".....present and referred to company excepted, of course.

It is nice to see information dredged from the bowels of the archives and once more tossed into the light of day. And equally great to see some top notch folks stepping up to "interpret" the information and correct a few notions.

[FEV]

Originally posted by Oleksij Hrushko
Hello there!

[b]AAA National Championship

Calendar
13 – Darlington 200 Miles Race-? (Darlington) 10 December

Comments: No official race titles (names) avaible. Why it was no races in July? No points for 10th-12th places on 4th round (?).

1) Springfield 100 : I guess your source for the AAA material is Phil Harms' work at motorsport.com. It seems that placings 10 to 18 are unsure as laps completed by those 9 drivers are not all known -that's why PH did not award them points.
2) July : well, no races scheduled during the month, and no particular reason behind it AFAIK.
3) Race names : most probably all of them were 'officially' named after their respective distance (Indy 500, Springfield 100, etc.). The only exception is the Indianapolis Sweepstakes of Williams Grove, but it was a non-championship invitational event.
4) What does the '?' in each race stand for ? Are you looking for track lenghts ?

Frank.

[Kvadrat]

Originally posted by Don Capps
I realize that this is poor manners and represents a serious lack of hospitality on my part (for which I apologize), but this thread and another similar thread (among the many....) which also asked for information in the form of results and race data, prompts me to ask whether or not there is any real interest in the events themselves. I use race data as the basic framework upon which a tale is contructed. As appreciated as such race data is, it truly provides only the barest of of ideas about the event it records various data. Placing the data into a context that describes the events surrounding and pertaining to an event is what I think we strive for in providing as good a record that we can of an event, a series, or a season.

Contrary to popular belief, the (postwar) automotive calendar did not begin with 1950 and the institution of a world driving championship by the CSI. The sheer volume of the events listed gives an idea of just how much motor racing had bounced back, especially in Europe and other areas outside North America. As someone generaly not interested in race data for the sake of the race data -- and it is important, but in building as complete a view of the event, season or series as possible, I hope that this information piques someone's curiosity and they get "the rest of the story" as they say.

Don, you are right but please consider that such a view on motorsport history is usual for countries like ex-USSR ones because we always had lack of information. So thinking of Formula One as only of WDC starting from 1950 is the first step in long way to correct understanding.
Personally I was on this step when started thread In the beginning.... Since then I realized that Formula One isn't only WDC races but also so called non-championship ones. But actually they were not "non-championship" but just a races. Drivers just raced not for points. Now I'm interested in understanding of wide variety of motorsport events. I want to feel something which was in the air when that races were in the past.

[Don Capps]

Vladimir,

As I said, I apologize for lumping too many into the same pot. You are correct in putting forth a good argument that you must start somewhere and then take it from there. I am encouraged by the thought that so many here are doing what you are doing -- taking an interest in the other aspects of motor racing then just the WDC.



Don

[Vitesse2]

Don: I think Oleksij and Vladimir are merely following a road others of us have travelled. Growing up in the 60s, my hero was Graham Hill - working back in his career I discovered Fangio and Hawthorn .... Ascari ....oh wow - there was racing before 1950! - .... Villoresi ..... Wimille .....Nuvolari .... Rosemeyer ..... Caracciola .... Seaman etc etc. Always driven by the question: where did that come from?

Perhaps that's the question TNFers all want the answer to and what separates those of us with an appreciation of the history of our great sport from the "now generation" .....

[Ray Bell]

To throw an Australian perspective on 1950... the sport here was building up in confidence and presentation, though, as Graham Howard would say, it was still in its "post-war pre-war" form... the cars mostly being pre-war vehicles and by far the majority of them being Specials built from pre-war production car components.

It was a time of austerity that was just coming to an end. It was only in mid-1949 that fuel rationing ended here, and while we did have Bathurst (firmly established as our leading circuit by virtue of its relative permanence and proximity to Sydney and Melbourne), other circuits were thin on the ground.

We were to learn in 1952 that Lobethal, Nuriootpa and Woodside were only a temporary joy, so much of the racing took place on airstrips.

Of these, the most active were those at Fishermen's Bend in Victoria, Mt Druitt in New South Wales and Lowood in Queensland. Mt Druitt was available on a regular basis, Fishermen's Bend sometimes became problematic in availability and Lowood had suffered from local churchgoers being upset at racing taking place on Sunday... in a era when most working Australians worked Saturday mornings.

So there wasn't a lot of racing going on in 1950, but it was happening and the enthusiasm was there. The first of the Coopers were arriving, Specials of greater potential were being built, drivers of note were starting to shine out.

But there were no national titles. The first openwheeler series in Australia was to come in 1957... there was no sports car title until the Australian Tourist Trophy was (re-)introduced in 1956. Touring car racing was still just a sideline.

All of this is without mentioning Western Australia... where a number of towns allowed racing in their streets... but it was all at a more relaxed pace than in the east.

And during 1950, a Special with a chassis dating back to 1911 set the outright lap record at Lowood... a sign of those magical times!

[Oleksij Hrushko]

First of all – sorry for bad English.

Don – there IS A REAL INTEREST in the events themselves from myself. But if I asked the story, it’ll be asking to much - I know that TNF’ers are always ready to solve any problem about motorsport’s history, but they have jobs, families, other bussinises…
ex-USSR problem – not so many information about abroad racing, especially about early post WWII period, period of Classic racing cars (1945-1960). This is sphere of my deeply interest in world motorsport history. My sources – some russian books (not some many ) and some magazines (not so many too) and several numbers of F1-Racing, Autosport and 4 books, that I bought when I studied in Wien. That’s all. In Moscow situation is better – you can buy almost any foreign book, but in Ukraine, especially in my City (Czernowitz, West Ukraine) – no foreign (exept Russian) books, no foreign magazines. And time to time income is not so big in comparison with West and Central Europe; I can’t buy everything what I want. The only unlimited source – Internet, but you can not often find in what you are interested. I know that 1950 isn’t a beginning, I know about non-championship races, but when I started traveling through motosport history, I began with 1950. In March this year I came back to beginning (in the beginning of this thread I wrote that if you began something, you must end it – fantasy, yeh? ) and started a thread on russian forum “History F1” about 1950’s races (started with Circuit Remparts – Angouleme, may be soon I’ll ask some questions about French F2 races here, if it possible). A month ago I asked myself – was WDC, introduced by CSI, the only championship this year (I know that WDC in 50s did not have leading role as now)? TNF’ers always know more

Many thanks Udo K., GIGLEUX and uechtel for great info about german races, fines for the solving puzzle , taken from his site, FEV for clearing situation around AAA and Ray for Australian review.

A little summary:

FIA World Championship for drivers – clear

FIA European Grand Prix – clear

FIA International Cup for Constructors – clear

USSR Championship – clear, many thanks to anjakub

NASCAR Grand national – clear (conjohn – thanks for great site). One question – did non-championship races exist?

AAA National Championship – still unknown reason of pause in calendar in July. ?– don’t know official names (titles) of the races, only for Indy500 (from Forix) - XXIVth Indianapolis International Motor Sweepstakes

Italian F1 and F2 Championsip – info taken somewhere from TNF, but I lost a link. Still unclear abot calendar and method of results’ counting to championship

French F1 and F2 Championship – GIGLEUX, can you help with calendar, final standings or pointsystem? As I understood, only french pilots’ results counted (the same thing happened for Italian Championship)

General for German Championships – in case, when non-german (non-BRD or non-DRR too?) pilots participated in race, counted only results of native (german) drivers. Did I understand correct?

West German Formula 2 Championship - clear

West German Formula 3 Championship – clear. But can anybody help with results (and may be short story) of BRD Kleinstrennwagen races?

West German SportsCar Championship – clear. For 1,1 l class for Solitude I have results of VW class – are they the same thing?

East German Formula 2 Championship – still unclear with calendar and PointSys of “unofficial” championship. Did F2 cars ran in Tubinger Stadtringrennen?

East German Formula 3 Championship – the same problem

East German 750cc Racing Car Championship – the same problem. And can anybody help with race results? I know only the races, where this class was run.

East German SportsCar Championship – I have results only of Sachsenringrennen in 2,0 l class… And may be some more information about Sternberrennen, not only F2.

Argentinian Turismo Carretera Championship – I know only the champion - Juan Galvez, Ford

Temporada – Was it championship or only race serie without general classification?

New Zealand Championship – one-race championship?

Argentinian Sports Car Championship – what races counted to championship (may be results, story), point system, final standings, results, story?

Campionato Italiano Sport – the same question

Any else championships (hillclimbs, british for example)?

My appologies for so many questions...

[fines]

Oleksij, about the pause in the AAA championship: remember that those races (except for Indianapolis and Darlington) were held at trotting tracks, which were usually located at State or County Fair sites, and indeed most of the races coincided with a fair. Most of these fairs had traditional dates that were dictated by agricultural circumstances - don't ask for particulars, I'm not a farmer . My guess would be that in the summer months, the farmers would be too busy to attend any fairs, so that there simply wouldn't be any!

[uechtel]

Originally posted by Oleksij Hrushko
A little summary:

General for German Championships – in case, when non-german (non-BRD or non-DRR too?) pilots participated in race, counted only results of native (german) drivers. Did I understand correct?

absolutely (if you replace "native" by "of German license" I suppose).

And even more I am very astonished to see Greifzu appearing in the standings in given after the Schauinsland race as (at least from 1951 onward) West and East Germany had completely separate championships with drivers from the West not eligible for points in the East and vice versa.

This is also often a cause of confusion among statistic fans as simply deducting results from championship tables is very dangerous when drivers from the other part of the country or from abroad are present.

West German Formula 3 Championship – clear. But can anybody help with results (and may be short story) of BRD Kleinstrennwagen races?

Results not available at the moment. But the story is easy to tell. This category (best translation would be "midgets" perhaps is the German predecessor of Formula 3 and was open for race cars up to 750 cc no matter whether supercharged or not.

The formula had many supporters and a couple of very successful seasons so when the ban on Germany was dropped for 1950 and therefore the international 500 cc Formula 3 had to be introduced the series was run in parallel for another year but without an official championship any more. In fact many of the former 750 cc cars continued their careers in Formula 3.

West German SportsCar Championship – clear. For 1,1 l class for Solitude I have results of VW class – are they the same thing?

obviously yes. There has been no such thing as a "VW class". Officially it was 1.1 litre sports cars, but of course many designs based on the Volkswagen (in most cases using a "Kübelwagen" chassis!). But there are also other successful power units, the Fiat 1100 and most of all its AFM derivate.

East German Formula 2 Championship – still unclear with calendar and PointSys of “unofficial” championship. Did F2 cars ran in Tubinger Stadtringrennen?

Tübingen is in the West and did not count towards the chmapionship. Sorry, "unofficial" means "unofficial", so no calendar or points system available.

From 1951 onward the points system was the same as in the west until 1953 when it was replaced by a 8 - 6 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 system. And in 1954 a wonderful new system was introduced that makes the heart of every rule fan beat faster. Here the complete rule-book:

1. Champion of the GDR can become a driver only if he scores at least one victory or is at least once best placed driver from the GDR in a race

2. The title Champion of the GDR will only be awarded if at least four "valid" championship runs are held in a season. A race is "valid" if it has been organized as a championship run and if at least
five championship contenders take the start. Otherwise no points will be awarded for this race.

3. points system: 6 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 plus an additional point for fastest lap (of the GDR drivers only)

4. The number of places that are rewarded with points depends on the total number of drivers form the GDR taking the start:

up to 4 participants: 2 places (6 - 4 points for 1st and 2nd place)
up to 9 participants: 3 places (6 - 4 - 3 points)
up to 14 partcipants: 4 places (6 - 4 - 3 - 2 points)
more than 14 participants: all possible points awarded

5. If drivers are equal of points then the following races are used as championship deciders:

Race cars according to Appendic C of the sports law (the pronlonged Formula 2): Halle
Formula 3: Dresden
Sports cars 1500 cc: Halle
Sports cars 1100 cc: Bernau

6. No points awarded for drivers finishing with less than 90 per cent of the race distcance.

7. (only for race cars according to Appendix C and sports cars up to 1500 cc): Separate points awarded for drivers of the "Rennkollektiv" and privateers.

Rule 7 has to be understand that the best placed privateer will get 6 points in any case while a "Kollektiv"-driver needs a victory (of course over the rest of the GDR drivers only) to get the full score!

And I forgot to tell, that while this way the six points could (but not necessarily had to) be awarded twice in a race there was only one combined championship table!

As I already mentioned in the end there was no "Formula 2" champion as the race at Halle (the championship decider!!!) fell victim of rule 2 when the EMW team withdrew, Dessau was cancelled twice (frist because of high waters and then because of simultanity with the Leipzig exposition) and Bernau red flagged prematurely due to a fatal accident. This left only three races (Dresden, Halle, Sachsenring) hence no champion but again only the unoffical title "best of the GDR" to Rudi Krause (who complained a lot about this in the local press!).

typical German

East German 750cc Racing Car Championship – the same problem. And can anybody help with race results? I know only the races, where this class was run.

The East German edition of the Kleinstrennwagen class. Being technologically behind the championship was continued until the end of 1951 with Formula 3 carried out simultaneously from 1950 onward.

East German SportsCar Championship – I have results only of Sachsenringrennen in 2,0 l class… And may be some more information about Sternberrennen, not only F2.

Sorry, no complete stats available for the whole season, only fragments.

At Sternberg I have only one other result, Carl Weber finishing ahead of Willi Lehman in the Kleinstrennwagen class, both on BMW specials.

[Udo K.]

For F3 results of 1950 and later, see the web-site of our friend Wolfgang Neumayer:ttp://www.formel3register.de/

Kleinstrennwagen 1950:

Maipokal Rennen Hockenheim May 5th
10 laps
1. Möller LTE
2. Richard Weiser BMW? (or G.v.B.)
3. Karl Becker BMW

Tübinger Stadtrennen June 18th
10 laps
1. Willi Zimmermann MH2
2. Karl Becker BMW

Rund im Schotten June 25th
3 laps
1. Ferdinand Lehder LTE
2. Möller LTE

Sachsenring Rennen August 27th
8 laps
1. Willy Lehmann BMW
2. Weber BMW
3. Richard Weiser BMW ?
4. Eugen Müller BMW

Grenzlandring Rennen Sept. 17th
8 laps
1. Bobby Kohlrausch G.v.B. (DDR driver)
2. Richard Weiser BMW
3. Möller LTE

That's all I have on Kleinstrennwagen 1950.

[Don Capps]

Originally posted by Oleksij Hrushko
First of all – sorry for bad English.

Don – there IS A REAL INTEREST in the events themselves from myself. But if I asked the story, it’ll be asking to much - I know that TNF’ers are always ready to solve any problem about motorsport’s history, but they have jobs, families, other bussinises…
ex-USSR problem – not so many information about abroad racing, especially about early post WWII period, period of Classic racing cars (1945-1960). This is sphere of my deeply interest in world motorsport history. My sources – some russian books (not some many ) and some magazines (not so many too) and several numbers of F1-Racing, Autosport and 4 books, that I bought when I studied in Wien. That’s all. In Moscow situation is better – you can buy almost any foreign book, but in Ukraine, especially in my City (Czernowitz, West Ukraine) – no foreign (exept Russian) books, no foreign magazines. And time to time income is not so big in comparison with West and Central Europe; I can’t buy everything what I want. The only unlimited source – Internet, but you can not often find in what you are interested. I know that 1950 isn’t a beginning, I know about non-championship races, but when I started traveling through motosport history, I began with 1950. In March this year I came back to beginning (in the beginning of this thread I wrote that if you began something, you must end it – fantasy, yeh? ) and started a thread on russian forum “History F1” about 1950’s races (started with Circuit Remparts – Angouleme, may be soon I’ll ask some questions about French F2 races here, if it possible). A month ago I asked myself – was WDC, introduced by CSI, the only championship this year (I know that WDC in 50s did not have leading role as now)? TNF’ers always know more

Many thanks Udo K., GIGLEUX and uechtel for great info about german races, fines for the solving puzzle , taken from his site, FEV for clearing situation around AAA and Ray for Australian review.

My appologies for so many questions...

Oleksij,

First no apology necessary for your English -- you are going much better than I could in my now long-forgotten Russian!

Second, I am delighted that there IS such an interest in this type of subject and a sincere desire to learn more about it. Most of my earlier comments were from previous efforts of others who wanted the members of this forum to do the "heavy lifting" for them. Your case is quite another matter and one of the very basic reasons this forum exists -- to share information and our enthusiasm for the history of motor racing.

Best regards,

Don

[D-Type]

Oleksij,

Do not forget the important races that did not form part of a championship.

I am thinking mainly of sports car races such as Le Mans, the Mille Miglia, the Targa Florio and the RAC Tourist Trophy. In 1950 these had similar status to a Grand Epreuve. The World Sports Car Championship (officially the Manufacturers' Championship for the CSI CupI think) was not introduced until 1953.

There were also several non-championship Formula 1 races in 1950. The most important such as the Bari GP, GP de Nations at Geneva, Pescara GP, San Remo GP and BRDC (or Daily Express, the sponsoring newspaper) International Trophy at Silverstone attracted factory entries from Alfa Romeo

[GIGLEUX]

Oleksij
In 1950 French F1 and F2 champions were elected by a jury of 15 members so was it decided by the "Commision sportive nationale de l'Automobile Club de France".
The jury was composed of:
-3 members of the Commission representative of race organizers.
-3 other members.
-3 constructors not commited in competition.
-3 journalist appointed by the sports press trade union.
So no french championships

[Vitesse2]

The RAC British Hillclimb Championship for 1950 was won by Dennis Poore (Alfa Romeo 8C-35). I'm sure one of our hillclimb experts can tell you which events made up the championship!

[Roger Clark]

Originally posted by Vitesse2
The RAC British Hillclimb Championship for 1950 was won by Dennis Poore (Alfa Romeo 8C-35). I'm sure one of our hillclimb experts can tell you which events made up the championship!

I'm no expert but it was

• Craigantlet (3rd June)
• Shelsley Walsh (10th June)
• Bo'ness (24th June)
• Rest and Be Thankful (1st July)
• Bouley Bay (3rd August)
• Prescott (10th September)

[VAR1016]

Originally posted by Roger Clark


I'm no expert but it was

• Craigantlet (3rd June)
• Shelsley Walsh (10th June)
• Bo'ness (24th June)
• Rest and Be Thankful (1st July)
• Bouley Bay (3rd August)
• Prescott (10th September)

Visiting a fellow Fulvia owner in Scotland a couple of years ago, I was shown the Rest & Be Thankful course.

Dennis Poore, in his 8C Alfa, must have been a very brave man indeed I think!

PdeRL

[David McKinney]

Argentina
I don’t believe there ever was a Temporada champion. There were however several national racing champions:
•Coches Especiales
1 Beneditco Campos (Ferrari)
2 Juan Manuel Fangio (Ferrari)
•Fuerza Libre
1 Hector Niemitz (Chrysler)
•Fuerza Limitada
1 Alberto Crespo (Plymouth)
•Sportscars:
1 Roberto Mieres (Alfa Romeo)
•Sportscars 1500:
1 Roberto Bonomi (Cisitalia)
•Turismo de Carretera
1 Juan Galvez (Ford)
2 Marcos Ciani (Chevrolet)
3 Jorge Descotte (Chevrolet)

New Zealand
Until 1957 championships were decided on a single event. Nominally, there were NZ, North Island and South Island titles in road race, beach race, hillclimb. sprint and trial (rally) disciplines, though not all were held every year. Winners were indeed entitled to be referred to as NZ (etc) champion
To the general confusion, these one-event titles continued to be awarded after the ANZCC’s institution of Gold Star awards for racing (and hillclimbs) in 1957
•NZ Championship Road Race
1 Hec Green (Wolseley Special)
2 Sybil Lupp (MG TC)
3 Halsey Logan (Logan Special)
4 Fred Zambucka (DeSoto Special)
5 David Owen (RA III)
6 Garry Coglan (MG Special)
The other drivers were not classified so should not be listed
•NZ Championship Beach Race (if you’re interested)
Held 1 April at Muriwai Beach, Auckland, over 50 miles
1 George Smith (V8-Chevrolet)
2 Hec Green (Wolseley Special)
3 Pat Hoare (RA II)
4 Gordon Brown (Brown Special)

[uechtel]

Originally posted by GIGLEUX
Oleksij
In 1950 French F1 and F2 champions were elected by a jury of 15 members so was it decided by the "Commision sportive nationale de l'Automobile Club de France".
The jury was composed of:
-3 members of the Commission representative of race organizers.
-3 other members.
-3 constructors not commited in competition.
-3 journalist appointed by the sports press trade union.
So no french championships

But regarding today´s F1 point system I think such would be a far better method to keep the championship exciting until after the last race without getting in danger of getting a world champion with 2 wins compared to 6 of the best opponent...

[GIGLEUX]

Cool and quiet Markus, HE is CHAMPION

[VAR1016]

Originally posted by David McKinney

4 Gordon Brown (Brown Special)

I suppose that it could be said that this one drove prudently for his fourth place??

PdeRL

[uechtel]

Originally posted by GIGLEUX
Cool and quiet Markus, HE is CHAMPION

That´s not my point. I´m not in favour of any of the recent world championship aspirants, Schumacher probably less than anybody else. What I like is a variety of drivers, teams and cars with as much equal chances to everybody as possible.

It was only that your description of the 1950 French Championship system remembered me to the dilemma of the current point system, which tries to serve two gods at a time:

1. To find the most successful driver
2. To keep the championship exciting as long as possible

And I think these two are in total contradiction to each other. And while up to last year it had been without doubt, that aim 1 is the more important one it seems, that this has been almost completely neglected when the new system was introduced.

In the end it only worked very luckily this year as Schumacher was dominant enough to win the championship DESPITE the new points system.

[GIGLEUX]

I announced 15 members composing the jury but gave only twelve; the last three were to be ex-drivers. Sorry

[Oleksij Hrushko]

fines, thanks for guess about AAA pause, it’s very interesting...

Udo K. – great!

GIGLEUX – very interesting, thanks. Strange championship titles...

Vitesse2, Roger Clark – thanks. May be some more information – race results, full championship table. Hillclimbing is very interesting, but I know only general facts. Buy the way, Joe Fry was killed in Blandford hillclimb – non-championship event according to Roger’s list. What else hillclimb events was in Britain this (1950) year?

uechtel – thanks About East German SportsCar races – fragments can be interesting too .

David McKinney – thaks for impressive answer. May be some detalized informationa about Argentinian events? And as I understood, only two NZ one-events championship was in 1950? Can you tell a story of beach racing in NZ? I’m interested in any information.

And one more championship – USA midget – in russian magazine “Formula” I read in sporting careers of some US-pilots about results in this champ (short biographies). Can anybody help with story, calendar, race results, final standings etc?.. As I understood, midget cars is a kind of F2 car in comparison with AAA cars.

[Don Capps]

Originally posted by fines
Oleksij, about the pause in the AAA championship: remember that those races (except for Indianapolis and Darlington) were held at trotting tracks, which were usually located at State or County Fair sites, and indeed most of the races coincided with a fair. Most of these fairs had traditional dates that were dictated by agricultural circumstances - don't ask for particulars, I'm not a farmer . My guess would be that in the summer months, the farmers would be too busy to attend any fairs, so that there simply wouldn't be any!

Originally posted by Oleksij Hrushko
fines, thanks for guess about AAA pause, it’s very interesting...

And one more championship – USA midget – in russian magazine “Formula” I read in sporting careers of some US-pilots about results in this champ (short biographies). Can anybody help with story, calendar, race results, final standings etc?.. As I understood, midget cars is a kind of F2 car in comparison with AAA cars.

Michael is basically correct in the association of many of the AAA National Championship events with the State Fairs or similar sorts of activities during this period. There were horse racing tracks which were often used for the Big Cars to race upon at these State Fairs in the late Summer or Fall. Most of the events were simply known by their site and distance, but not all of them -- the "Springfield 100" at the Springfield Fairgrounds or the "Hoosier 100" at the Indianapolis State Fairgrounds. I meant to check on the names last night, but I forgot. I will follow-up on this later today.

As for the Midgets.... At this time, the rage over Midget racing was begining to cool, but it was still a very well-supported, very popular, and very competitive category. The "F2" in the AAA hierarchy were the Sprint Cars, with the Midgets being sort of an "F3" -- but a true stand-alone category as well. As for the results and the championships, there are those to whom mere mention of the Small Cars during this period causes their eyes to light up and then followed by a smile.....

To preserve my little remaining sanity, I made a vow not to get too involved with tracking the Sprints and the Midgets. Oodles & oodles of events and a number of competing championships -- AAA, IMCA, NASCAR, and many others as well -- which doing justice would mean dropping another area I am interested in, so I try to avoid getting "too" interested in these categories despite enjoying them. I am sure that we can provide the champions of the major sanctioning bodies, but as for the results of the events themselves.....

[fines]

Okay, I'll give it a go (good thing the midget craze was already calming down, as Don pointed out ;

AAA National Midget Championship

2 rounds, points system unknown

1. Apr 16, Pamona, CA, 200 laps of 0.5 miles dirt track, winner Johnnie Parsons, car owner Ed Meyers
2. Aug 20, West Allis, WI, 100 laps of 1 mile dirt track, winner Tony Bettenhausen, car owner Eric Lund

Champion driver: Bill Vukovich
2nd Henry Banks
3rd Chuck Stevenson
4th Kenny Eaton
5th Johnnie Parsons
6th Tony Bettenhausen
7th Manuel Ayulo
8th Sam Hanks
9th Gordon Reid
10th Walt Faulkner
11th Myron Fohr and/or Joe Sostillo
12th Robert Barker
13th Al Silver
14th Andy Linden
15th Troy Ruttman
16th Johnnie Tolan
17th Daniel Harrison
18th Frank Burany
19th Johnny McDowell
20th Norm Nelson
21st ???
22nd Frank Armi
23rd Mike O'Halloran and/or Forrest Parker
24th Mack Hellings
25th William Taylor
26th Charlie Szekendy
27th John Stenderup
28th Wally Hostetler
29th Art Cross
30th Leroy Warriner
31st Ray Crawford
32nd Duane Carter

AAA Mid-West Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Johnny Tolan

AAA Ohio/Michigan Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Neil Carter

AAA Southern California Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Joe Garson

AMODC Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Bobby Ball

AMRA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Sid Cook

ARDC Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Nick Fonoro

BCRA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Woody Brown

BMARA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Miles Melius

CMRA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Pete Woods

GLARA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Ted Hartley

IRA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Eddie Shaw

KCMARA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Guy McHenry

MHRA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Lloyd Axel

MWCODA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Eddie Russo

MWMARA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Dick Ritchie

RMMRA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Sonny Coleman

SLARA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Dick Word

TSRA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Angelo Howerton and/or Bob Beckett

UARA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Ray Elliott

UCOA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Johnny Thomson

URA Midget Blue Circuit

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Allen Heath

WCARA Midget Championship

rounds unknown, points system unknown

1st Vern Meek

My, that was FUN...

[David McKinney]

Now all we need to know is what all those initials stand for

[Jim Thurman]

I was planning on adding to this thread when I had a chance...

Point systems are very difficult to find.

First, some champions...

IMCA Big Car (Sprint) Frank Luptow

IMCA Late Model (Stock Car) Herschel Buchanan

NASCAR Late Model Sportsman Mike Klapak

NASCAR Modified Charles Dyer


Now to digest fines outstanding post ...and see if I can dig up where I have AAA Sprint and Stock data...


Jim Thurman

[Jim Thurman]

Originally posted by David McKinney
Now all we need to know is what all those initials stand for

I'll give it the best shot I can David...these were the myriad of regional clubs in the U.S.

AMODC Midget Championship

This is one I'm not certain of, but seeing Bobby Ball as champion - I'll guess Arizona Midget Owners and Drivers Club

ARDC

American Racing Drivers Club - Northeast U.S.

BCRA

Bay Cities Racing Association - name from San Francisco (California) bay area. Northern and Central California, still active.

BMARA

Badger Midget Auto Racing Associaton - Wisconsin, also still active last I was aware.

MWCODA Midget Championship

Again, not familiar with this one, but I would guess Mid-West Car Owners and Drivers Association.

RMMRA Midget Championship

Rocky Mountain Midget Racing Association - Denver, Colorado and Rocky Mountain region.

SLARA Midget Championship

St. Louis Auto (or Area?) Racing Association. St. Louis, Missouri.

URA Midget Blue Circuit

United Racing Association - Southern California based.

[Jim Thurman]

Originally posted by fines
Okay, I'll give it a go (good thing the midget craze was already calming down, as Don pointed out ;)

Midgets were still a viable feeder system through the mid 1960's, despite a dramatic drop off that came in the early 1950's. There was already a decline in 1950, believe it or not, despite the number of regional clubs. Attendance was down and car counts were down.

I think you and I have the same book Michael

One correction - Pomona, California. I realize that's the way it's listed in print, but it's a typo (and an unfortunately common one).

Thanks very much for posting the info. Saves me time to check on other champs and winners from 1950.

Looking at the back of same book, it gives the names for all these Midget clubs/associations. Perhaps I should delete my prior post and re-post, listing them all?


Jim Thurman

[Roger Clark]

Originally posted by Oleksij Hrushko

Vitesse2, Roger Clark – thanks. May be some more information – race results, full championship table. Hillclimbing is very interesting, but I know only general facts. Buy the way, Joe Fry was killed in Blandford hillclimb – non-championship event according to Roger’s list. What else hillclimb events was in Britain this (1950) year?

Craiganlet

1 Sydney Allard 5.7 Steyr-Allard 75.0sec

S'Walsh

1 Raymond Mays ERA 38.61secs
2 Dennis Poore Alfa Romeo 8C-35 38.80secs
3 Ken Wharton Cooper-JAP 39.89secs

Bo'ness

1 Wharton 38.41
2 Poore 38.47

Rest and Be Thankfull

1 Poore 57.80
2 Wharton 57.64
3 Mays 58.32
4 Allard 59.37
5 Archie Butterwort AJB-Steyr 67.97

Bouley Bay

1 Wharton 55.4
2 Poore 55.8
3 Allard 56.8

Prescott
1 Poore45.39
2 Allard 45.44
3 Mays 46.67
4 Wharton 46.87
5 Buterworth 47.89

Championship positions

1 Poore 38 points
2= Allard, Wharton 35
4 Mays 27
5 Butterworth 13

non-championship hill climbs were held at Lydstep, Trengwainton, Prescott, Great Auclum, Blandford, Val de Terres, Shelsley Walsh, Firle, Bo'ness and probably many others.

[Don Capps]

Well, I was hoping to avoid this, but I now have my AAA Official Record Book for the 1950 season here next to me.

Points: Midget points were one-half (1/2) of the Big Car points for the same distances. Naturally, this gets a tad interesting. There is no painless way to express this information, so just let me have at it.... distance, placing , points.... Remember this is the points system for the MIDGETS! I only went to 100 miles for obvious reasons: first you can figure it out from the existing points charts and, second, few Midget events went much past 100 miles.... Also, points were scored from the heats and consolation events as well as the mains, something that must be kept in mind here....

1 mile
1st = 1.0
2nd = 0.8
3rd - 0.6

2 miles
1st = 2.0
2nd = 1.5
3rd = 1.0

3 miles
1st = 3.0
2nd = 2.5
3rd = 1.75
4th = 1.0

4 miles
1st = 4.0
2nd = 3.0
3rd = 2.0
4th = 1.0

5 miles
1st = 5.0
2nd = 4.0
3rd = 3.0
4th = 2.0

6 miles
1st = 6.0
2nd = 5.0
3rd = 3.5
4th = 2.5

7 miles
1st = 7.0
2nd = 5.5
3rd = 4.0
4th = 2.75

8 miles
1st = 8.0
2nd = 6.5
3rd = 5.0
4th = 3.0

10 miles
1st = 10.0
2nd = 8.0
3rd = 6.0
4th = 4.0
5th = 2.0
6th = 1.0

12.5 miles
1st = 12.5
2nd = 10.0
3rd = 7.5
4th = 5.0
5th = 2.5
6th = 1.25

15 miles
1st = 15.0
2nd = 12.0
3rd = 9.0
4th = 6.0
5th = 3.0
6th = 1.5

20 miles
1st = 20.0
2nd = 16.0
3rd = 12.0
4th = 8.0
5th = 6.0
6th = 4.0

25 miles
1st = 25.0
2nd = 20.0
3rd = 15.0
4th = 12.5
5th = 10.0
6th = 5.0
7th = 2.5

30 miles
1st = 30.0
2nd = 24.0
3rd = 21.0
4th = 18.0
5th = 15.0
6th = 12.0
7th = 9.0
8th = 6.0
9th = 3.0

35 miles
1st = 35.0
2nd = 28.0
3rd = 24.5
4th = 21.0
5th = 17.5
6th = 14.0
7th = 20.5
8th = 7.0
9th = 3.5

40 miles
1st = 40.0
2nd = 32.0
3rd = 28.0
4th = 24.0
5th = 20.0
6th = 16.0
7th = 12.0
8th = 8.0
9th = 4.0

45 miles
1st = 45.0
2nd = 36.0
3rd = 31.5
4th = 27.0
5th = 22.5
6th = 18.0
7th = 13.5
8th = 9.0
9th = 4.5

50 miles
1st = 50.0
2nd = 40.0
3rd = 35.0
4th = 30.0
5th = 25.0
6th = 20.0
7th = 15.0
8th = 10.0
9th = 5.0
10th = 2.5

75 miles
1st = 75.0
2nd = 60.0
3rd = 52.5
4th = 45.0
5th = 37.5
6th = 30.0
7th = 22.5
8th = 18.75
9th = 15.0
10th = 11.25

100 miles
1st = 100.0
2nd = 80.0
3rd = 70.0
4th = 60.0
5th = 50.0
6th = 40.0
7th = 30.0
8th = 25.0
9th = 20.0
10th = 15.0
11th = 10.0
12th = 5.0


From Michael's information:
Champion driver: Bill Vukovich = 350
2nd Henry Banks = 300
3rd Chuck Stevenson = 220
4th Kenny Eaton = 220
5th Johnnie Parsons = 200
6th Tony Bettenhausen = 200
7th Manuel Ayulo = 190
8th Sam Hanks = 190
9th Gordon Reid = 180
10th Walt Faulkner = 160
11th Joe Sostillo = 160
12th Robert Barker = 150
13th Al Silver= 150
14th Andy Linden = 130
15th Troy Ruttman = 120
16th Johnnie Tolan = 120
17th Daniel Harrison = 110
18th Frank Burany = 110
19th Johnny McDowell = 100
20th Norm Nelson = 100
21st Cecil Green = 100
22nd Frank Armi = 90
23rd Forrest Parker = 90
24th Mack Hellings = 80
25th William Taylor = 70
26th Charlie Szekendy = 70
27th John Stenderup = 60
28th Wally Hostetler = 50
29th Art Cross = 40
30th Leroy Warriner = 30
31st Ray Crawford = 20
32nd Duane Carter = 10

There is absolutely NO WAY I am going to input all the material I have on these, but here is some additional information:

AAA Chicago-Mississippi Valley Midget Championship (Asphalt Tracks)

1st Johnny Tolan = 1,617
2nd Le Roy Warringer = 1,542
3rd Potsy Goacher = 1,279

AAA Chicago-Mississippi Valley Midget Championship (Dirt Tracks)

1st George Tichenor = 1,108
2nd Harry Turner = 788
3rd Forrest Parker = 784

AAA Ohio-Michigan Midget Championship

1st Neal Carter = 1,522
2nd Ed Johnson = 1,301
3rd Victor Carter = 1,234

AAA Pacific Coast Midget Championship

1st Joe Garson = 952
2nd Bill Zaring = 813
3rd Bob Ball = 782


Hope this helps.

[David McKinney]

Originally posted by Oleksij Hrushko
And as I understood, only two NZ one-events championship was in 1950?

The NZ Road Race and NZ Beach Race championships were the only national racing titles awarded that year. There were however national hillclimb and sprint championships and various regional championships, which I will post later in the interests of making as comprehensive a list as possible.

But the use of one event to decide championships always presents a skewed picture. In NZ in 1950, for instance, the Grand Prix at Ohakea was a more important race than either of those that produced the “champions”.

On another subject, I have never paid much attention to oval racing, simply because a line has to be drawn somewhere. However, there was a NZ Midget Speedcar Championship in 1950, probably run on one race.
1 Ross Goonan
2 Ian Holden
3 Ron Ross

I am not sure how ‘speedcars’ in NZ (and Australia) differed fom US midgets at this time.

There was also a World Midget Speedcar Championship, which I suspect was contested only by drivers from NZ and Australia, and was probably again decided on one race. Placings in 1950:
1 Frank Brewer
2 Ray Revell
3 Alan Marshall
4 Reece Discombe

There was no doubt an Australian Speedcar Championship in 1950, and - for all I know - various state champions as well.

Originally posted by Oleksij Hrushko
Can you tell a story of beach racing in NZ? I’m interested in any information.

That would take more time than I have (and probably another thread)

[fines]

Sorry about the misspellings, it seems I was in a hurry and didn't check!

It's Neal Carter (as Don has pointed out), Johnnie Tolan and Nick Fornoro.

Now to the abbrev.:
AAA

American Automobile Association

AMODC

Aston-Martin Owners and Drivers Club...;)

no, actually Arizona Midget Owners & Drivers Club

AMRA

American Midget Racing Association

ARDC

American Racing Drivers Club

BCRA

Bay Cities Racing Association

BMARA

Badger Midget Auto Racing Association

CMRA

Colorado Midget Racing Association

GLARA

Great Lakes Auto Racing Association

IRA

Independant Racing Association

KCMARA

Kansas City Midget Auto Racing Association

MHRA

Mile High Racing Association

MWCODA

Mid-West Car Owners & Drivers Association

MWMARA

Mid-West Mid Auto Racing Association

RMMRA

Rocky Mountain Midget Racing Association

SLARA

Saint Louis Auto Racing Association

TSRA

Tri-State Racing Association

UARA

United Auto Racing Association

UCOA

United Car Owners Association

URA

United Racing Association

WCARA

Western Colorado Auto Racing Association

[fines]

A few more Championships:

AAA Mid-West Sprint Car Championship

rounds unknown, points unknown

1st Duane Carter
2nd Troy Ruttman

AAA Eastern Sprint Car Championship

rounds unknown, points unknown

1st Tommy Hinnershitz

AAA Taxi Cab...

no, sorry:

AAA Stock Car Championship

6 rounds, points unknown

1. Jul 5, West Allis, MI, Myron Fohr, 1949 Lincoln
2. Jul 9, West Allis, MI, Myron Fohr, 1949 Lincoln
3. Aug 24, West Allis, MI, Norm Nelson, 1950 Oldsmobile 88
4. Sep 4, Du Quoin, IL, Jay Frank, 1950 Oldsmobile 88
5. Sep 10, Lakewood, GA, Billy Carden, 1950 Mercury
6. Sep 17, Springfield, IL, Jay Frank, 1950 Oldsmobile 88

1st Jay Frank

NASCAR Late Model Sportsman National Championship

1st Mike Klapak

NASCAR Modified National Championship

1st Charles Dyer