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[guazzoni]

came across this car while surfing the web a BMW Sport 2000 Barchetta

the only extra information given was this: 1947, chassis 67556, Type Mille Migtia 328 BMW

Does anybody know anything about it?

[guazzoni]

can't post the pics so here's the link

[uechtel]

Mille Miglia must be of course nonsense, as this was in 1940. In 1947 German cars were still banned from international racing. Also the Mille Miglia cars are well identified, we had them all here recently. Also chassis numbers are supposed to be known today.

So this must be something else, but very interesting nevertheless. No. 193 is of course quite unusual, so perhaps this could be a trace.

[David McKinney]

Didn't all 328 chassis numbers start 85...?

[Holger Merten]

We have a professional in this forum, specialized in those questions, and I'm sure Uechtel will comment those pics with all his knowledge.

[Michael Müller]

Uechtel, careful. It is not said that this is one of the Mille Miglia BMWs, but a MM BMW. And correct, in 1947 a BMW 328 is listed with race number 193 for Cesare Beretta / Alberto Garatti.
Bodywork most probably of Italian origin. The S/N surely is no 328 one, could be 327 or 327/28 (327 with the more powerful 328 engine).

[uechtel]

Yes, careful is correct. I understand what you mean. Of course I was a bit premature by associating Mille Miglia with 1940 only. But of course I will not be the only one to do so and perhaps this would attract more possible buyers.

And indeed the 328 chassis numbers were 85xxx numbers, so certainly no "pure" 328. Some specials combined even a 328 engine with a 326 chassis, so we have to dig out the number system.

[dretceterini]

The coachwork looks like Colli (Italian) to me..

[uechtel]

Originally posted by dretceterini
The coachwork looks like Colli (Italian) to me..

Do you know more about that?

And perhaps also about other Italian post war conversions of the 328? I am still very weak in this area.

We had already Rovelli´s Touring-BMW here, but there seem to have been more such cars from this famous coachwork company.

[dretceterini]

I know a fair amount about Italian and French specials, but not all that much about the German ones, such as EMW and Veritas. 8W has been a GREAT help with information on that subject.

There are photos of some of cars with 328 motors in the book La Sport E I Suoi Artigiani on Italian "specials". My Italian isn't very good, so I can't give you a proper translation of the text.

I do not know for certain if the car pictured was actually bodied by Colli; it just looks like their work to my eye.

Sorry I can't be of more help..

[uechtel]

Originally posted by dretceterini
I know a fair amount about Italian and French specials, but not all that much about the German ones, such as EMW and Veritas. 8W has been a GREAT help with information on that subject.

There are photos of some of cars with 328 motors in the book La Sport E I Suoi Artigiani on Italian "specials". My Italian isn't very good, so I can't give you a proper translation of the text.

I do not know for certain if the car pictured was actually bodied by Colli; it just looks like their work to my eye.

Sorry I can't be of more help..

I see what you mean. Thank you very much.

Seems that I will have to learn Italian...

[uechtel]

Carrying on with Italian BMW Specials, the next is said to be Giulio Baravelli in a special-bodied BMW 328.



But I did not find a fitting listing on Martin Krejci´s page, so can anybody help with the "when" and "where"?

[alessandro silva]

Positively a local (near Rome) hill-climb late 1950s early 1960s. Which one is hard to say, but try Vermicino-Rocca di Papa to start with. There was a fellow in the Rome Auto Club painting race numbers always like this. Baravelli's car was nicknamed "Tin Can Spl". He raced it against Maseratis 6-cyl, 200S and and birdcage. Baravelli was a very fast amateur when younger. Italian 750cc champion pre-war.

[Michael Müller]

Finally I identified the S/N of the special at the beginning of this thread. #67556 was a 1935 BMW 315.

[uechtel]

the source, please?

[Michael Müller]

http://www.autogalle...rg.ru/pbmwp.htm

[uechtel]

nicht schlecht...