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[Lee Nicolle]

That brings to mind an incident at Warwick Farm circa 1958...

 

As flag marshals we got to drive around the circuit to our respective flag points at the beginning of the day, and then back to the pits at the end of the day.

 

Well, it is a racing circuit and speed limits don't apply, so it might be a bit of fun to have a bit of a go while doing this. Cars I had during the period included a Simca Aronde and a Peugeot 203, while my co-flaggie, Bob Levett, had a Chrysler Royal AP3. V8. With a broken front sway bar.

 

One morning he spun it in the Esses. Nothing was said on the day, but we were regular visitors to the AARC offices during our lunch hour. Bob was nervous about what Geoff Sykes would say to him about this, and when we were in his office it didn't take long for the subject to come up.

 

"Do you drive a white Chrysler Royal?" came the question.

 

Nervously, Bob replied in the affirmative, wondering what would come next.

 

"And you spun it in the Esses on Sunday?" Geoff asked.

 

"Yes."

 

"I just wanted to know," was all Geoff said.

 

I know Bob carried the memory of that response to his grave.

I can remember a discussion from Dick Johnson with John French about a broken sway bar on Dicks Falcon,, all on the TV telecast

[Lee Nicolle]

 

 

 

 

I have done all of these. Drawbar jacked up on the trailer to get the car on the trailer and a truck only just long enough for the car. As well as the tilted tray [not severaly] so as to get the car on.

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[Myhinpaa]

Tractor unit is a DAF F241 series. (2800 - 3300 - 3600)

[nicanary]

None of these photos have appeared on my screen. Ditto DCN's report about his visit to Italy. I'm logged in, so any ideas ?

[Sterzo]

None of these photos have appeared on my screen. Ditto DCN's report about his visit to Italy. I'm logged in, so any ideas ?

There were recent  problems with the forum displaying photos, now corrected - but they can linger on an individual's PC. Clear the cache (or history) on your internet browser, close it down, and try again. Hopefully you should see the pics!

[10kDA]

I had the recent problem with all images as well. It's been resolved, more or less. I posted these pics as URLs in the box that appears when "Image" is chosen in the "Reply to..." toolbar. If the filename ends in .jpg, most of the time the image will be posted, if the image appears on a typical website or blog. Images from Instagram will not work, as far as I know. I can see most images hosted on Postimage EXCEPT for the filenames that begin with "temp-Image..." I don't know what parameters are selected on Postimage to get filenames beginning with "temp-Image...", and all other files hosted by Postimage show up on my computer - as far as I can tell. The "temp-Image" problem was happening before the recent glitch, and continues, so I cannot see the images posted by Doug re: D'Annunzio nor the images posted by Doug on behalf of Weaverbird in the Gene Hackman memories thread. Others have no problems so I think it's a matter of some computers exhibiting the problem while other computers do not.

[Sterzo]

Could I recommend to anyone having problems with pictures not displaying to go to the thread in Website Feedback, stating your operating system and browser, and help will be at hand.

 

https://forums.autos...2#entry10851515

Edited by Sterzo, 11 March 2025 - 19:48.

[nicanary]

Thanks all.

[Pullman99]

 

Very interesting!

 

Can anyone confirm where and when this was taken?    The tailfin was added for 1963/4 but it would appear that the nose panel resting on the trailer has the crossed Union and US flags as per Utah in 1960.

 

Great pic, BTW!

[Tim Murray]

It appears to date from 2013, when the original nose panel was reunited with the car:

https://velocenews.b...united.html?m=1

[GTMRacer]

Very interesting!

 

Can anyone confirm where and when this was taken?    The tailfin was added for 1963/4 but it would appear that the nose panel resting on the trailer has the crossed Union and US flags as per Utah in 1960.

 

Great pic, BTW!

The lorry has an A reg which puts it at 1983/84 so i would say its being moved to or from the National motor museum in the mid eighties?

[GTMRacer]

It appears to date from 2013, when the original nose panel was reunited with the car:

https://velocenews.b...united.html?m=1

The way people are dressed and the cars in the background I would say much earlier than 2013... 

[Lee Nicolle]

This has had a fair wack in the rear. R/R is facing the wrong direction, l/r is cocked way up and the body has broken. 

Looks like the track was very heavy by te mud.

[10kDA]

This has had a fair wack in the rear. R/R is facing the wrong direction, l/r is cocked way up and the body has broken. 

Looks like the track was very heavy by te mud.

I think it's the angle of the pic that makes it look that way. I knew there was another pic of that car from the other side of the trailer, and I found it. I think it's the same time & parking lot as the first pic. The mud spatter seems to match LOL. Photo by Mike Monotoby

 

[Doug Nye]

While Ferrari's big Fiat-Bartoletti 642 transporters are quite familiar, does anyone have any photos showing the factory's little Ferrari 615 truck/pick-up van which they evidently used as support to the Fiat-Bartolettis in the mid-1950s?  I have found on-line photos of a scale model of the 615 in question, but am unsure whether or not to believe its livery - see here:

 

https://www.carmodel...essionari/21552

 

In team documentation I have found reference to team mechanics being despatched "in the Fiat 615" to take a car from Maranello to a race and back - presumably upon a trailer towed behind.  I'm just surprised never to have found and remembered a photo of such a mode of team transport.

 

Anyone?

 

DCN

[andymont]

While Ferrari's big Fiat-Bartoletti 642 transporters are quite familiar, does anyone have any photos showing the factory's little Ferrari 615 truck/pick-up van which they evidently used as support to the Fiat-Bartolettis in the mid-1950s? I have found on-line photos of a scale model of the 615 in question, but am unsure whether or not to believe its livery - see here:

https://www.carmodel...essionari/21552

In team documentation I have found reference to team mechanics being despatched "in the Fiat 615" to take a car from Maranello to a race and back - presumably upon a trailer towed behind. I'm just surprised never to have found and remembered a photo of such a mode of team transport.

Anyone?

DCN

Hi Doug, I am a passionate historian of this argument, and I have a lot of documentation on Ferrari race transporters but, believe me, I've never seen a picture of such a vehicle with the Ferrari livery.
Any case, I know that 615 was a very popular vehicle in Italy in those years and it is very likely that every Italian company had one.
I'm convinced, however, that this scale model is just a fantasy model, as many other produced by models manufacturers.
The license plate MI (Milano) and not MO (Modena), and the badge of Scuderia ( on a vehicle used for the spare parts/dealers service ? ) makes me lean towards this opinion.

[bradbury west]

I have just e mailed Bjørn to ask him to check this thread. He is bound to know.

Roger Lund

[Doug Nye]

I would point out that the reference to the Fiat 615 in question was entered into the relevant factory document in May 1958.  I doubt therefore that this was "fantasy"...

 

DCN

[oldirish]

I came across this image some time ago, which appears to be a Ferrari 615N in a Ferrari paddock (Targa Florio, 1965)

 

 

I used some artistic license and made this truck for my collection.  The IV Model van was also made in Alfa Romeo livery, so is likely a creation rather than an actual vehicle.

[andymont]

I came across this image some time ago, which appears to be a Ferrari 615N in a Ferrari paddock (Targa Florio, 1965)

 

The red truck in the picture is not a Fiat 615N, but is an OM Lupetto ( license plate MO63693) of the Scuderia Ferrari.

Edited by andymont, 18 March 2025 - 10:50.

[andymont]

I would point out that the reference to the Fiat 615 in question was entered into the relevant factory document in May 1958.  I doubt therefore that this was "fantasy"...

 

DCN

 

I didn't say that Ferrari never owned a Fiat 615, moreover I've never seen a picture of it.

I've just pointed out that the model in the picture is a fantasy model, for sure different from the one that Ferrari might have owned.

Edited by andymont, 18 March 2025 - 11:13.

[andymont]

I have just e mailed Bjørn to ask him to check this thread. He is bound to know.

Roger Lund

I know very well Bjørn the same he knows me well.

I gave him and David Cross a little help for their book "Inside the paddock".

Edited by andymont, 18 March 2025 - 10:31.

[Pullman99]

It appears to date from 2013, when the original nose panel was reunited with the car:

https://velocenews.b...united.html?m=1

 

Thanks Tim,

 

I had forgotten that the successors to Motor Panels had donated the nose panel from 1960 to the Campbell Heritage Trust.    I do think that the pic is much earlier, however, and may have been an occasion when CN7 went on exhibition in Coventry(?).   I will ask around.   I did see the panel when visiting Motor Panels in the 1980s.

[oldirish]

The red truck in the picture is not a Fiat 615N, but is an OM Lupetto ( license plate MO63693) of the Scuderia Ferrari.

Thanks for the clarification on the truck in the photo.