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#3351 Dipster

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Posted 25 December 2018 - 06:46

Has this one been mentioned ?

 

http://kmvintage.net...thames-800.html

 

Vince H.

That must have been a real curiosity in the US. I wonder how many Ford managed to sell there? But it is nice to see this one, I used these Fords a lot at one time. The interior is absolutely standard and appears to be in good condition for a 60 year old. I agree that keeping it just "as it is" is the right decision.

 

Thanks for posting.



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#3352 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 25 December 2018 - 07:28

The steering wasn't heavy in a TK Bedford. Was in a Seddon or Atkinson if reversing in anywhere, though not bad when actually driving.

I have owned both a J3 and a 4 ton TK Bedford and they were bloody heavy! My father had a late 70s 8 ton tipper and that too was heavy. He also had a Thames Trader 8 ton tipper and again very heavy. 

Late 60s early 70s 3 ton Dodges were fairly light but all the steering boxes are stuffed. The Inters had a different steering box and were quite good as were all the smaller Acco Inters. 



#3353 Duc-Man

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Posted 25 December 2018 - 09:06

Duc-Man this truck is a replica. The original one must have been scrapped years ago

 

My understanding was Lotus had a couple of enclosed Thames vans. They were used to tow trailers which carried the race cars, as seen at Le Mans in 1962 :

 

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Here's a couple of pictures from 3 or 4 years later, with different script on the side.

 

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I believe the open top transporter is a "reproduction" which never existed back in the day.

 

I'm to young and from the wrong country to argue with anybody about this matter because I've never seen any period Lotus transporter. So I'm staying out of any 'real or fake or reproduction' discussions on this truck.



#3354 oldirish

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Posted 25 December 2018 - 17:25

The Thames used to haul Pete Lovely's Cooper to Riverside would have had to use two lane highway most of the way since much of the Interstate was still under construction. At its limit it probably could have kept up with traffic. The challenge would have been driving through the mountains in S. Oregon an N. California, the rest would have been relatively flat.

#3355 hlfuzzball

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Posted 28 January 2019 - 09:40

Ex-School Bus hauler, seen at 2019 Chili Bowl indoor dirt track Midget Race in Tulsa, Oklahoma:
https://mobile.twitt...6412802/photo/2

https://m.facebook.c...=48&__tn__=EH-R

Already immortalized on T Shirts, etc.:

https://r-rracewear....ns/ace-mccarthy

#3356 oldclassiccar

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 16:23

I've been sent a couple of photos showing David Prophet's 250 LM being hauled by his six-wheeled, crew-cab, Ford Thames 400E-based transporter in 1967.

 

I'm not able to include the photo(s) in my post (I've tried before, something about not being on https iirc), but for anyone interested they are on here: http://www.oldclassi...errari250lm.htm

 

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#3357 Ray Bell

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 21:20

Here's how it's done...

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What an optimistic transporter!

#3358 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 15 February 2019 - 23:50

Ex-School Bus hauler, seen at 2019 Chili Bowl indoor dirt track Midget Race in Tulsa, Oklahoma:
https://mobile.twitt...6412802/photo/2

https://m.facebook.c...=48&__tn__=EH-R

Already immortalized on T Shirts, etc.:

https://r-rracewear....ns/ace-mccarthy

There has been no end of buses used as transporters for better or worse.

That one looks like a mobile grandstand!

Bruce Banks one time Aussie Sports Sedan champion from Tasmania has a ex Hobart bus that he has used for a long time. But is flatout at about 80kmh. A longtime Sprintcar competitor used an Adelaide bus for a short period. Again way too slow BUT a lot of room for the sponsors signage.

Another used a coach for a longtime and did a huge amount of kms until involved in a road accident. 

The coaches ofcourse are the better deal as they cruise at the regulated speed. And have a decent ride.

Though a country school bus too probably does, just noisier and busier.



#3359 Dipster

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Posted 16 February 2019 - 07:39

Here's how it's done...

0219fr-OCCProphet-Thames.jpg

Take a screen print, save and post via Postimage.

What an optimistic transporter!

 

Here's how it's done...

0219fr-OCCProphet-Thames.jpg

Take a screen print, save and post via Postimage.

What an optimistic transporter!

I doubt that this had the original 4 cylinder Ford engine in it. Any body know what was powering it?



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Posted 16 February 2019 - 08:23

Probably a Zephyr/Zodiac 2553cc motor, possibly with an overdrive . I recall that Jackie Oliver had a Thames 3 axle with a flatbed body when he raced his Elan in the early 60s, but without the crewcab. At least, that is what I recall seeing at Rufforth. Like his Elan it was a maroon colour and carried the name Red Rooster on the doors. I have read elsewhere that it had a V8 but have never seen confirmation.
Perhaps the small ads in period Autosports may throw some light on these devices.
Roger Lund

Edited by bradbury west, 16 February 2019 - 08:25.


#3361 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 04:33

I doubt that this had the original 4 cylinder Ford engine in it. Any body know what was powering it?

I think the word is totally unsuitable. There was far better vehicles even in that period.

As for Zephyr,, it would have been better to tow the car behind a Zephyr!



#3362 Dipster

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 15:57

Probably a Zephyr/Zodiac 2553cc motor, possibly with an overdrive . I recall that Jackie Oliver had a Thames 3 axle with a flatbed body when he raced his Elan in the early 60s, but without the crewcab. At least, that is what I recall seeing at Rufforth. Like his Elan it was a maroon colour and carried the name Red Rooster on the doors. I have read elsewhere that it had a V8 but have never seen confirmation.
Perhaps the small ads in period Autosports may throw some light on these devices.
Roger Lund

I think Red Rooster had a 7 litre Ford Galaxie engine and box in it. 



#3363 jpgp79

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 18:38

These pictures of the David Prophet Bedford Thames 400 flatbed van are fabulous.

Could this be a last evolution of the ex-Team Lotus "903 PMT" Thames 400 ?

The enlarged cabin and raised flatbed are totally identical to the Team Lotus one, which did not have twin axles though.

 

Anybody would have a clue ?



#3364 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 19:45

Bedford?

 

Where did the Bedford come in?



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Posted 17 February 2019 - 21:05

My mistake, just read "Ford" Thames 400.

Nevertheless, it looks really similar if not identical to the van used by Team Lotus, with the exception of this very strange additional axle which looks like a non propelling axle located just behind the original one ... 



#3366 colinsays

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 11:01

About JPS Team Lotus I came across these photos of the Ford Transit they used between 1972 and 1974

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I am trying to document this van, but sadly I don´t find reg. plate .In one of the photos I can see "TEX4????" , so I guess it was provided by Texaco to Team Lotus as they were sponsors

Has anyboby more info about reg. plate?


Edited by colinsays, 14 March 2019 - 11:02.


#3367 StanBarrett2

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 15:28

Paddock German GP 1971, seems like it was a busy place.

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From another angle

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Edited by StanBarrett2, 20 March 2019 - 15:29.


#3368 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 22:41

Paddock German GP 1971, seems like it was a busy place.

D-1971.jpg

 

From another angle

D-1971.jpg

That is very busy and a variety of transporters, coach built and pantech trucks.

The AVI truck between the Firestone trucks, AVIS? 

That green van next to the Mclaren Ford. Lotus?



#3369 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 22:59

I'd expect anything Lotus at that time would have been plastered with white and red...

The smokers said everything those days. Like the one in the foreground.



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Edited by Ray Bell, 20 March 2019 - 22:59.


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Posted 20 March 2019 - 23:33



That is very busy and a variety of transporters, coach built and pantech trucks.

The AVI truck between the Firestone trucks, AVIS? 

That green van next to the Mclaren Ford. Lotus?

AVI.....the font looks like AVIS,  don't see the S no matter how I zoom in.

 

The green one ?  I agree with Ray ........Lotus would be Gold Leaf......

 

Seeing the Esso logo............Brabham was running Esso fuel in the BT34

 

I have a funny feeling.............. just look at the pic

 

4 rooflights I think they are called,,,,,,,,the tailgate ?

 

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Marc

 

 

Edit .........actually looking at the photo again, that slanted chrome embelishment at the rear, the bubble shaped vent ? in the last section of the roof.......

I think it is the Brabham transporter.

 

Edit again........ just the Esso logo has been redone


Edited by StanBarrett2, 21 March 2019 - 00:02.


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Posted 21 March 2019 - 11:33

The German GP paddock would have driven Bernie insane. They are not lined up properly and some are not even parked parallel. Sort of park where you arrive.

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#3372 Rob Ryder

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 17:05

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 17:42

Posted on behalf of Bjørn Kjer

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If anyone claim this picture I will delete.  I still look for transporters , service cars , sponsors etc. On the right of the picture is what I believe a service van ? Look especially at the Cortina lamps . Can anyone help to find out what this vehicle is ?



#3374 Gary C

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 21:15

...I can't vouch for the JPS Transit reg.number, but here's an earlier one, owned I think by Lotus Cars but pressed into service for Team

 

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Click on the pics for larger images.

Many thanks to Vic McCarthy, for it is he who used to drive them both, for the use of these pics.

The full photos will be seen in my Lotus 72 documentary later in the year.



#3375 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 23:59

If anyone claim this picture I will delete.  I still look for transporters , service cars , sponsors etc. On the right of the picture is what I believe a service van ? Look especially at the Cortina lamps . Can anyone help to find out what this vehicle is ?

I noticed those twin Mk1 Cortina lights as well. must be something custom. Though I suspect half the paddock was.



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Posted 01 April 2019 - 06:09

If anyone claim this picture I will delete.  I still look for transporters , service cars , sponsors etc. On the right of the picture is what I believe a service van ? Look especially at the Cortina lamps . Can anyone help to find out what this vehicle is ?

 

A search for the license number seems to indicate a Goodyear transporter.

 

Vince H.



#3377 mike90

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 14:20

Since we're talking about JPS Lotus, anyone recognize this truck?

 

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 12:19

JPS truck is a Ford D series



#3379 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 12:28

That appears to have extra crushable structure...

 

The driver.



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#3380 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 03 April 2019 - 00:19

That appears to have extra crushable structure...

 

The driver.

All forward control trucks are much the same. Even modern ones.

Though seeing pics of English trucks of that period they are scarey with no bumpers and in some cases fibreglass front panels.

That D series seems 'normal'  relative to the rest of the world. They were for the period an ok truck. I had a later 3 ton one [78] for a short period but decided it did not suit my purpose.



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Posted 05 April 2019 - 02:12

All forward control trucks are much the same. Even modern ones.

Though seeing pics of English trucks of that period they are scarey with no bumpers and in some cases fibreglass front panels.

That D series seems 'normal'  relative to the rest of the world. They were for the period an ok truck. I had a later 3 ton one [78] for a short period but decided it did not suit my purpose.

I had a 4 t "D" series. Slow as a wet week, but a 351 which bolted straight up to the 6 cyl gearbox livened it up. Then it would pass anything except a petrol bowser... We mounted a couple of 44's as additional belly tanks...


Edited by seldo, 05 April 2019 - 02:13.


#3382 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 01:59

I had a 4 t "D" series. Slow as a wet week, but a 351 which bolted straight up to the 6 cyl gearbox livened it up. Then it would pass anything except a petrol bowser... We mounted a couple of 44's as additional belly tanks...

A few of them had the 300ci six. They went ok. The 240ci engine though was quite slow.

Clevo conversions were very common.. though too many did not balance the flywheel to suit the Cleveland which have quite a deal of weight to offset the crank.



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Posted 06 April 2019 - 14:06

A few of them had the 300ci six. They went ok. The 240ci engine though was quite slow.

Clevo conversions were very common.. though too many did not balance the flywheel to suit the Cleveland which have quite a deal of weight to offset the crank.

Pretty sure we just bolted it up using the 6 flywheel and clutch and away we went...


Edited by seldo, 06 April 2019 - 14:07.


#3384 jpgp79

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 14:41

Since we're talking about JPS Lotus, anyone recognize this truck?

 

Hi,

 

the two pictures are from two different transporters.

 

The first one (the Ford D Series) has been used by Team Lotus from 1974 at least. This picture is probably from the 1977 season. It is not a car transporter. Itwas carrying body spares and wheels. I don't know the reg plate for this truck.

 

The second picture is the side of the race car transporter nicknamed "Jahil" (from its reg number).

 

The D Series Lorry must not be confused with an earlier D800 (this one having a Luton head) which was originally used by Lotus components in 1967 then carried on as a Gold Leaf Team Lotus transporter for GT and non F1 events. Reg plate for this one was [NVF 835F]


Edited by jpgp79, 06 April 2019 - 15:03.


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Posted 05 May 2019 - 07:07

Supercars Transporters in Australia

This is the Irwin Team's "road train"

Big enough? And they only run one car

http://img.photobuck...zpsyhaegf2z.jpg

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Posted 05 May 2019 - 12:22

Unbelieveable, Terry...

But it's not a road train, it's a C-triple.

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Posted 05 May 2019 - 13:29

Unbelieveable, Terry...

But it's not a road train, it's a C-triple.

I guess they are legal now? I heard there was plenty of objection at the National level for them. I have not seen one. Though up north have found the odd Road Train or 6. One on the Oodnadatta Track. That was fun,,, a mobile rock storm and a star in the windscreen. And that was slowing right down and as far left as possible. And the road is about a hundred foot wide.

So C triples,, Bloody stupid things, how the hell do you negotiate our roads which often resemble an obstacle course. Especially in the metro area.

And how much does it sway? I keep hearing the b/s that doubles do not sway,,, yeah right! try telling that to people who have been trying to pass!!

So just add another 20 + foot!

As for Irwin Racing,,maybe they should spend more money on the racecar than leasing a humongous truck!



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Posted 09 May 2019 - 06:12

Not a Supercar Team's rig this time but merely that of a competitor in a support category

It is Scott Taylor Motorsport and they used this road train to transport ONE Porsche from Brisbane to Perth and back, about 8,600 kms.

https://tentenths.co...t=73505&page=35

But then have a look at his modest workshop:

https://www.google.c...f=1557381989946

https://www.google.c...f=1557382029649

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 12:01

Not a Supercar Team's rig this time but merely that of a competitor in a support category

It is Scott Taylor Motorsport and they used this road train to transport ONE Porsche from Brisbane to Perth and back, about 8,600 kms.

https://tentenths.co...t=73505&page=35

But then have a look at his modest workshop:

https://www.google.c...f=1557381989946

https://www.google.c...f=1557382029649

They do have at least 2 cars. 2 race as STM and I believe one more customer car.

Plus they seem to race some other things on occasion as well.

I raced against Scotty Taylor Snr in the 90s, after his low buck touring car efforts. He was racing a very average Capri with a Holden V8 on a tatty old open trailer.From Taswegia.

Even I was more 'pro' with my 4 tonne Acco truck. And Chev Torana.



#3390 TerryS

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Posted 11 May 2019 - 23:07

They do have at least 2 cars. 2 race as STM and I believe one more customer car.
Plus they seem to race some other things on occasion as well.
I raced against Scotty Taylor Snr in the 90s, after his low buck touring car efforts. He was racing a very average Capri with a Holden V8 on a tatty old open trailer.From Taswegia.
Even I was more 'pro' with my 4 tonne Acco truck. And Chev Torana.


Lee, a couple of comments on your post:

The photo of the transporter was on its way to last week's Australian GT Championship in Perth. According to Natsoft he only had one car entered, the Porsche.
I agree he had a couple of Mercedes GT's at home.

Scott's father died in 1972 when Scott was only 9.
Scott left school when 14, and built up FleetPlus to be the largest privately owned motor vehicle finance company in Australia and NZ.
He sold it in 2014 for "a few hundred million". That gave him the wherewithal to go racing.

Lee,I believe the guy you are talking about was Alan "Scotty" Taylor. He raced sports sedans for a few years having started with a Holden engined Fiat600.
He graduated to Torana and Commodore Touring Cars, particularly at Bathurst.
He often raced with his good mate Kevin Kennedy. Indeed the pair ran 10 consecutive Bathurst enduros together.

Scotty is still racing at age 78. For the last 10 years he has spent six months a year in UK and Europe racing in historic single seaters.
He has a Lotus 18 and Cooper T54 at his disposal.

#3391 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 01:58

Lee, a couple of comments on your post:

The photo of the transporter was on its way to last week's Australian GT Championship in Perth. According to Natsoft he only had one car entered, the Porsche.
I agree he had a couple of Mercedes GT's at home.

Scott's father died in 1972 when Scott was only 9.
Scott left school when 14, and built up FleetPlus to be the largest privately owned motor vehicle finance company in Australia and NZ.
He sold it in 2014 for "a few hundred million". That gave him the wherewithal to go racing.

Lee,I believe the guy you are talking about was Alan "Scotty" Taylor. He raced sports sedans for a few years having started with a Holden engined Fiat600.
He graduated to Torana and Commodore Touring Cars, particularly at Bathurst.
He often raced with his good mate Kevin Kennedy. Indeed the pair ran 10 consecutive Bathurst enduros together.

Scotty is still racing at age 78. For the last 10 years he has spent six months a year in UK and Europe racing in historic single seaters.
He has a Lotus 18 and Cooper T54 at his disposal.

I had presumed the same name same family.

I think you will find that STM do preperation on a few cars. Helps pay for his hobby.

Not nesecarily entered under the STM banner.

Go to Bathurst for the 12 hour and that truck would be full

David Wall is another running several cars out of his workshop. Father Des, at least 20 years ago ran a one car transporter with a prime mover marked Wall Contracting. Is that business still operating? 



#3392 TerryS

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 02:18

I had presumed the same name same family.
I think you will find that STM do preperation on a few cars. Helps pay for his hobby.
Not nesecarily entered under the STM banner.
Go to Bathurst for the 12 hour and that truck would be full


Here is the "small" Scott Taylor Motorsport team for this year's Bathurst 12 hour:

http://stmotorsport.com.au/

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Posted 31 May 2019 - 10:34

About JPS Team Lotus I came across these photos of the Ford Transit they used between 1972 and 1974

 

I am trying to document this van, but sadly I don´t find reg. plate .In one of the photos I can see "TEX4????" , so I guess it was provided by Texaco to Team Lotus as they were sponsors

Has anyboby more info about reg. plate?

 

Dear colinsays, you have the answer to your question : SPARK has announced recently it would ussie this JPS Ford Transit, and it's reg number is : TEX 400 K 

This is consistent with your observations!

 

 You can see the planned model here : https://boutiqueauto...oduct&id_lang=1



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Posted 24 August 2019 - 08:46

Posted on behalf of Bjørn Kjer

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Posted 24 August 2019 - 09:51

1963 Nurburgring F1 race. 

 

In the background/row a blue Austin lorry , dont know who . I am sure ther was supporting races and it could be one transporting small GTs ?

BRP F1 transporter

Reg Parnell F1 transporter 

Scirocco Transporter F1

The grey Bedford TK with trailer , dont know. Perhaps Tim Parnell who was there with 2 cars in F1?

On the right the red lorry , most probably for GT transports from CH or I ?

In of the red one , the black OM with canvas , yellow , rolled up . Centro Sud was there with 2 F1 cars and had such a car , an ex Maserati one which was grey , note the cabin colour at the back . Centro painted it black.

The others seen says itself , Porsche VW , Cooper , Lotus and Walker F1 transporters and on the left the BKL F1 transporter of Kuhnke.

BRM , Ferrari and Brabham F1 are not seen . Maasbergen neither , he(de Beaufort)used open trailers for his F1 , Collomb F1 also open trailer , and Raby probably with his VW open van car for his Gilby.F1. And last the ATS F1 team which were late due to a transporter crash and nonstarted.

 

If anyone has any ideas ore additional infos , please come forward. 

 

Thanks very much to Rob.



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Posted 07 September 2019 - 19:45

Hi all,

 

I am sure Björn will love that one...

 

regarding the JPS Team Lotus Ford D Series support vehicle we talked about a few posts ago, I might have some interesting information.

 

First of all, I can confirm that the registration number for this vehicle is "MNG 693E" as it appears clearly on this 1975 picture taken at Zandvoort for the Dutch Grand Prix :

 

http://imgbox.com/u5gos64p

 

 

What stroke me is that's a 1967 reg number... So I looked in my archives and found a movie from the recovery of Graham Hill's crashed Lotus 49 during the practice of 1967 German GP at the Nürburgring. 

Surprise ! The flatbed van used at that occasion is also registered MNG 693E, as can be (hardly) seen on this snapshot of the movie :

 

http://imgbox.com/GBNKraeB

 

 

We can find other pictures of this recovery on the net, notably the following one which allows to clearly identify the back cabin of a Ford D Series :

 

http://imgbox.com/refJERNl

 

 

As a conclusion, I would say that Team Lotus acquired a Ford D600 or D800 Flatbed truck back in 1967, registered MNG 693E, and used it at Nürburgring (at least). Some time along the way, it was modified as a box truck and was painted in JPS colours. I do have pictures of the Ford D800 JPS box truck from 1974 till 1977.

 

What do you think of this theory ?


Edited by jpgp79, 07 September 2019 - 19:49.


#3397 jpgp79

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 19:50

Can anybody explain to me how to embed pictures in a post ? I tried in the previous one but the only think I could do has been to post links,... Embedding photos would have been much better.



#3398 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 20:23

Like this?

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There is a whole thread about how to post pictures in the 'sticky' threads.




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Edited by Ray Bell, 07 September 2019 - 20:24.


#3399 Gary C

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 21:37

jpgp79. .....or Team just transferred the registration number to a different truck?

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#3400 jpgp79

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 22:28

jpgp79. .....or Team just transferred the registration number to a different truck?

 

That could be the case.

 

In fact, it appears that Team Lotus hired many times a Ford D Series box truck in 1972. This was provided by Willhire vehicle rentals (from Norwich area). Look at the two pictures below, the first one from 1972 in Zeltweg, the second one from 1974 in Zeltweg too. Both trucks really look alike isnt'it ? 

 

http://imgbox.com/pdq8a290

 

http://imgbox.com/rRDzFgII

 

1972 was a bad year for Team Lotus regarding their transporters. The old AEC Swift transporter which was used since 1967 had been seriously damaged going back from Jarama earlier in the year, and its replacement (Leyland bodied by Marshall of Cambridge) would not be ready to replace it before 1973. Team Lotus then leased an old 1963 Bedford TK coming from Reg Parnell for the rest of the European 1972 season, but it was significantly smaller than the usual AEC. The WillHire Ford D800 was probably required to add additional capacity. To make things worse, the leased Bedford TK died later that year after rolling over on the autostrada when reaching Monza in September, Really a bad year for the Team transporters...


Edited by jpgp79, 07 September 2019 - 22:45.