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[dretceterini]

The new Ferrari F1 car is going to be called the 655, but wasn't that the type number for the super squalo...or was the squalo 553 and super squalo 555???

[cabianca]

You've got it right the second time. 555 = Super Squalo

[Bladrian]

The new Ferrari F1 car will NOT be called the '655' - that's an internal project number for the new car.

The media nutters have got it round their necks again.

[dretceterini]

OK....just repeating what I have seen on a dozen different web sites... Thanks...

[Breadmaster]

I think the last Ferrari to use it's internal number was the 643 wasn't it? (1992?)

obviously there was the 640 and 641 in the previous two(ish) years - whatever happened to the 642???

[quintin cloud]

As Bladrian said the 655 is a project number. The cars name is most likey to be F2004.

[VAR1016]

Pooh!

I'd rather have a D50 anyday

PdeRL

[wati]

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Originally posted by Breadmaster
I think the last Ferrari to use it's internal number was the 643 wasn't it? (1992?)

obviously there was the 640 and 641 in the previous two(ish) years - whatever happened to the 642???

The 1992 ferraris were called f-92A and f-92AT.

Wattie

[Breadmaster]

So here we go: numbers 1980 onwards (too much to do all of them right now - I am at work afterall!)

1980
Ferrari 312 T5

1981
Ferrari 126 CK

1982
Ferrari 126 C2

1983
Ferrari 126 C3-C4

1984
Ferrari 126 C3-C4

1985
Ferrari 156/85

1986
Ferrari F186

1987
Ferrari F187

1988
Ferrari F187

1989
Ferrari 640

1990
Ferrari 641

1991
Ferrari 642
Ferrari 643

1992
Ferrari F92 AT

1993
Ferrari F93 A

1994
Ferrari 412 T1

1995
Ferrari 412 T2

1996
Ferrari F310

1997
Ferrari F310B

1998
Ferrari F300

1999
Ferrari F399

2000
Ferrari F1-2000

2001
Ferrari F2001

2002
Ferrari F2002

2003
Ferrari F2003-GA


Looks like in '89-'91 they used the project numbers......

[E.A.F.]

I would like to ask -if anyone knows of course- why they chose the number "6" as the first number of the series? Secondly, why they started with "39", given that there were no 638. There is a rumour which says that John Barnard gave the number "39" because when he came to Ferrari he was 39 y.o. If this is true then ok. But why they chose the "6"? Thanks in advance!!!

[conjohn]

Ferrari designations, taken from their web site. Differences in red .

Wasn't the project numbers something that the British magazines used? What does Autosprint have to say? Over to gdecarli...

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Originally posted by Breadmaster
So here we go: numbers 1980 onwards (too much to do all of them right now - I am at work afterall!)

1980
Ferrari 312 T5

1981
Ferrari 126 CK

1982
Ferrari 126 C2

1983
Ferrari 126 C3-C4

1984
Ferrari 126 C3-C4

1985
Ferrari 156/85

1986
Ferrari F186

1987
Ferrari F187

1988
Ferrari F187 F1-87/88

1989
Ferrari 640 F1-89

1990
Ferrari 641 F1-90

1991
Ferrari 642 F1-91
Ferrari 643

1992
Ferrari F92 AT

1993
Ferrari F93 A

1994
Ferrari 412 T1

1995
Ferrari 412 T2

1996
Ferrari F310

1997
Ferrari F310B

1998
Ferrari F300

1999
Ferrari F399

2000
Ferrari F1-2000

2001
Ferrari F2001

2002
Ferrari F2002

2003
Ferrari F2003-GA


Looks like in '89-'91 they used the project numbers......

[quintin cloud]

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Originally posted by E.A.F.
I would like to ask -if anyone knows of course- why they chose the number "6" as the first number of the series? Secondly, why they started with "39", given that there were no 638. There is a rumour which says that John Barnard gave the number "39" because when he came to Ferrari he was 39 y.o. If this is true then ok. But why they chose the "6"? Thanks in advance!!!

"6" Well Scuderia Ferrari name was used in the 1930's and 1939 to 1989 is about 60 years :

[E.A.F.]

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Originally posted by quintin cloud


"6" Well Scuderia Ferrari name was used in the 1930's and 1939 to 1989 is about 60 years :

And what about the "39"?

[mdecarle]

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Originally posted by Breadmaster

1996
Ferrari F310

1997
Ferrari F310B

310 would be in accordance with the usual naming scheme for Ferrari: 3000cc, 10 cylinders.

[Breadmaster]

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Originally posted by mdecarle


310 would be in accordance with the usual naming scheme for Ferrari: 3000cc, 10 cylinders.

yes indeed - if i had added the pre-1980 this would jump straight out as most previous to this date were named in this way 156, 312 etc etc

[dretceterini]

One number that has always confused me is Tipo 412; the Alfa 8c2900A chassis with 12c motor. The cars were built circa 1938-9, after Scuderia Ferrari...but they seem to have a Ferrari rather than Alfa Tipo number...

[CONOSUR]

Ferrari have used an in-house nomenclature for decades, and '655' is the next number in the sequence. As for current F1 cars, this was posted elsewhere (w/a mod or two)

[u]Year[/u] [u]Type[/u]  [u]Name[/u]

1989 639   Testcar 

1989 640   F1-89 

1990 640/2 F1-89B 

1990 641   F1-90 

1990 641/2 F1-90B 

1991 642   F1-91 

1991 643   F1-91B 

1992 644   F92A, F92AT 

1993 645   F93A 

1994 646   412T1, 412T1B 

1995 647   412T2 

1996 648   F310 

1997 648/2 F310B 

1998 649   F300 

1999 650   F399 

2000 651   F1-2000 

2001 652   F2001 

2002 652/2 F2001B 

2002 653   F2002 

2003 653/2 F2002B 

2003 654   F2003-GA 

2004 655   F2004 (?)

After working for the last few months with the car, I'm sure everyone at Ferrari refer to it as the 655, because that's what it's called at the factory. Quite a few websites have just taken Todt's comment and made their own headlines out of it. The incomplete quote is differenton every site, so there's a clue right there.

[CONOSUR]

And this just in... from F1Racing.net. Case closed?

[Don Capps]

Anyone with a clue as to the internal project numbers that were applied to the engines (especially those of 1964)? I have seen some, but quite unsure as to their validity.

[lustigson]

I'm not sure about engine type numbers in the 60s, Don, but isn't this seasons engine the '3000 053'? Or is it just plain '053'?

[conjohn]

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Originally posted by Don Capps
Anyone with a clue as to the internal project numbers that were applied to the engines (especially those of 1964)? I have seen some, but quite unsure as to their validity.

According to the official web site (www.ferrari.it), the Ferrari 158 consisted of chassis 579 and engine 205/B, and the Ferrari 512 (1512?) was chassis 582 and engine 207.

[HDonaldCapps]

Looking through some items this evening, I happened upon a listing of things related to this topic spread over several sheets of paper that were stuffed into my copy of the Sheldon Addendum -- one long-forgotten project being updating the material....

Not sure exactly where all this came from, but they are in with some materials I found at the IMRRC, but nothing about a specific sourse, maybe the Web site, maybe not. I cannot, therefore, vouch for any of this, but hope the real Ferrari experts can do something with either correctling the errors or filling in the gaps -- what was the Project Number for the 65-degree Dino engine? What were the Project Numbers for the 1952/52 engine & chassis for the "500" cars? The PN for the 1963 156 'Aero' cars?


1951 // 212/F1, engine 275, Ecurie Espadon

1953 // 553, chassis 553

1954 // 625, engine 107, chassis 500 (?)

1954 // 553, engine 106, chassis 553

1955 // 555, engine 106, chassis 555

1957 // 801, chassis F1/8CL (?)

1958 // Dino 246, engine 143, chassis 528

1958 // 326 MI, engine 149, chassis 528/MI

1959 // Dino 256, engine 155, chassis 528/B

1960 // Dino 246P, engine 171, chassis 543

1961 // Dino 156, engine (120-degree) 178, chassis 543/C

1963 // 156, engine 178, 565/C

1964 // 158, engine 205/B, chassis 579

1964 // 1512, engine 207, chassis 582

1966 // Dino 246, engine 228, chassis 579

1966 // 312, engine 218, chassis 589

1967 // 312, engine 242, chassis 606

1968 // engine 242/C, chassis 606/B

1969 // engine 255/C, chassis 609

1970 // 312B, engine 001, chassis 621

1971 // 312B, engine 001/1, chassis 621/A

1971 // 312B2, engine 001/1, chassis 621/A (?)

1973 // 312B3, engine 001/11, chassis 628

1974 // 312B3, engine 001/12, chassis 628/B

1975 // 312T, engine 015, chassis 629

1976 // 312T2, engine 015, chassis 629

1978 // 312T3, engine 015, chassis ‘020’ (?/629?)

1979 // 312T4, engine 015, chassis ‘022’ (?/630?)

1980 // 312T5, engine 015, chassis ‘023’ (?/630?)

1981 // 126CK, engine 021, chassis ‘024’ (?/631?)

1982 // 126C2, engine 021, chassis 631

1983 // 126C3, engine 021, chassis 632

1984 // 126C4, engine 031, chassis 633

[Arjan de Roos]

I have a booklet at home, official Ferrari publication, that describes all engines and gives project numbers and other detail. Its called "Ferrari tutti i motori"/ "Ferrari all engines".

Will have a look at it tonight.

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Originally posted by Breadmaster
So here we go: numbers 1980 onwards (too much to do all of them right now - I am at work afterall!)

1981
Ferrari 126 CK

1982
Ferrari 126 C2

1983
Ferrari 126 C3-C4

1984
Ferrari 126 C3-C4

Never heard of a 1983 C4, did I miss something?

Ferrari numbering has always been a kind of black magic, no one solid system. I was surprised to see the road cars getting a F as prefix, like in F355 after the F40. Which made the whole numbering system more complex.

At Ferrari the 639-643 arent the only cars having only project numbers as their name. The F116 was a test car for the F40, a Mondial on which carbon structures were tested.

[Bruno]

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Originally posted by Breadmaster
So here we go: numbers 1980 onwards (too much to do all of them right now - I am at work afterall!)



1983
Ferrari 126 C3-C4

1984
Ferrari 126 C3-C4


Looks like in '89-'91 they used the project numbers......

1983: 126 C2B < Silvertone and 126 C3 >Silverstone

1984: 126 C4