71 replies to this topic

[FORZA JUVENTUS]

Michael Schumacher and Michael Jordan are the greatest athletes in their respective sports. Both have won 6 championships and are very rich and popular around the world. So my question is which one is better of the two?? At the moment i have Michael Jordan as my pick because he carried the entire team on his shoulders and the success he achieved was due to his own oustanding individual performance. However, if Schumacher wins another championship, it will be hard to go against him.

So Michael Schumacher or Michael Jordan and why????

[Cojayar]

Who's better Eddie JORDAN or Ralf SCHUMACHER?
Dunno.

[BuonoBruttoCattivo]

Diego Armando *sniff* Maradona

[The First MH]

You're asking a bunch of motorsports enthusiasts: of course the answer's gonna be Michael Schumacher!

[Ricardo F1]

Tiger Woods.

[black magic]

how about jordans gambling probs and his failure at baseball and his muted comeback version 3

[Schuting Star]

I can not and will not compare Michael Schumacher with Fangio, so I'm certainly not going to start trying with someone in a totally different sport.

They are both legends and I'll leave it at that.

[_bigbadbob_]

"At the moment i have Michael [Schumacher] as my pick because he carried the entire team on his shoulders and the success he achieved was due to his own oustanding individual performance."

Get my point? As you said, they're both great champions and they both helped their teams tremendously. Jordan did the "go and come back" thing a couple of times and I think that only detracts from his legend. Schumi's still around, so that helps.

As you put it, Schumi wins another championship and it's not even a question.

Cheers

[HBoss]

Pelé?
I really don't know. And I don't expect their (including Pelé's) feats to ever be repeated.

[dick]

Jordan anyday. Schumacher's success is largely due to a machine. Michael Jordan's success wasn't dependant on having a good basketball.

[BRNDLL]

Forza... what is the point? (and I am a Schumi fan...)

This was next to useless. It will only draw out the usual suspects and turn ugly.

Besides, this is a world forum and I doubt that very many people even care about much less recognize MJ. You posted on an F1 forum. I hate to state the obvious... but really.

bb

[dynamic]

Jordan


imo its hardly a question

how about jordans gambling probs and his failure at baseball and his muted comeback version 3

Im pretty sure this was about sports then the gambling thing is out and then you point out two big risks the man took to prove himself. I dont know much about baseball so i cant say much about it except i know he wasnt as good as he was in basketball. Hanging in there with guys 10-15 years younger after 3 years (2nd comeback) out is very impressive.

[tony]

I voted for MJ. You have to. Basketball is a sport in which one person can make a huge difference, whereas even though MS certainly is by far the best driver a great deal of his success is because of Ferrari's success.

Also I am sure this vote will be tilted towards MS. This is afterall a motorsports website. Also for whatever reason, F1 is popular in countries in which basketball is not, and vice versa.

By the way, it would be interesting, though off topic, for people to state where they are from and how popular basketball is in their home country. I am from Pasadena, CA, USA...Basketball is huge here...Go Lakers

[gerry nassar]

You would have to say Jordan when you factor in the F1 drivers reliance on the quality of car he has.

[dick]

I'm from Chicago. Regardless, I think that a real athletic endeavor, whether it be a world sport, such as Football(soccer) or a national one such as Basketball, is a truer test of greatness. Putting a machine into the mix makes things different.

[chris_canuk]

Let's compare famous Michaels...

Michael Palin

Michael Flatley (sp?)

Michael Moore

Michael Row Your Boat Ashore

George Michael

Michael Keaton

Michael J Fox

Michael Andretti

Michael Barishnikov (sp?)

Michael Myers

Michael Jackson

[mavm86]

Originally posted by HBoss
Pelé?
I really don't know. And I don't expect their (including Pelé's) feats to ever be repeated.

Ya, plus he forgot to wave the chequerd flag for the winners of the Brazilian GP in 02!

[RJL]

I'd have to go with Michael Valliente (sp?), but then again Paul Michael Glaser could sure throw that Torino around...

[prettyface]

The oranges are better.

[gerry nassar]

Sorry - I prefer the apples.

[sanat]

The most famous of Michaels would be





Mikhail Timofeyevich Kalashnikov

[Schuperman]

Michael Johnson.... 200m record holder... 19.62 seconds... No one comes close...
Unbeatable in 400m - world record holder...

Michel Platini.... French version of Michael..... The most elegant and classy footballer ever mesmerising the world...

Of course Maradona is the most gifted ones... he could play the ball with hands....

[mikedeering]

Remind me - did Jordan ever resort to throwing himself at a opponent in a cynical attmept to take them out and guarantee his team a World Championshp?

Seriously - there is Bobby Orr and there are the rest when it comes to sports legends.

[vitesse]

Alexander Karelin

[PedroPeter]

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------At the moment i have Michael Jordan as my pick because he carried the entire team on his shoulders and the success he achieved was due to his own oustanding individual performance.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Carriyng the entire team on his shoulders and achieving succes due to his own outstanding individual performance, was exactly what Michael Schumacher did since his early days!
I'm for SCHUMACHER all the way!!

[BRG]

Who is Michael Jordan?

[dai_ferrari]

Originally posted by FORZA JUVENTUS
At the moment i have Michael Jordan as my pick because he carried the entire team on his shoulders and the success he achieved was due to his own oustanding individual performance.

Who really cares who is better? And why does it matter? People like me who have had the chance to see the both of them, are the lucky ones. I don't need to pick one over the other, but the true reason I'm replying is to your statement above.

No, Michael Jordan did NOT carry that team on his shoulders. You conveniently forgot the incredible contributions of two very key players, Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman. To suggest that it was only about Jordan is ludicrous. Yes, he was the go to guy, but one man, playing on a team in a team sport, does not win championships. You take away both Pippen and Rodman, I think you're not looking at 6 titles anymore.

Just my two cents anyway.

[The Vulcan]

Originally posted by dick
Jordan anyday. Schumacher's success is largely due to a machine. Michael Jordan's success wasn't dependant on having a good basketball.

........ but also having good teamates to support him as well!!

[Scudetto]

Originally posted by dick
Jordan anyday. Schumacher's success is largely due to a machine. Michael Jordan's success wasn't dependant on having a good basketball.

As a Chicagoan, maybe I'm qualified to chime in on this one. Jordan was great, yes. Perhaps the greatest hoopster ever. But he did not single-handedly bring 6 titles to Chicago, in the same way that Schumacher has not single-handedly brought 6 WDC's to Ferrari. Jordan had a high-quality team around him in the same way that Schumacher does. While Jordan's "equipment" was not nearly as technical as that which Schumacher has at his disposal, both of their successes depend on physical and mental abilities that differ only in kind, rather than degree.

I won't even begin to speculate who's the "better athlete" between the two because the endeavours are so fundamentally different that a side-by-side is act of futility.

I'll instead let it rest with the observation that both Schumacher and Jordan have exceptional talents in their chosen sports, which enabled both to bootstrap the organizations which they served with their leadership, intellect, and motivational qualities.

[lukywill]

who´s michael jordan?

[coyoteBR]

Oscar "mão santa" Schimidt?

[zak]

Schumacher may have to "rely" on the machine he sits in and the work of several hundred people in the background, but you cannot despute his talent - remember him driving the 2 seater Minardi and setting a time that would have put it on the grid?



Jordan has to rely on his being a genetic mutant.



I think its unrealistic to try to determine who is the "best" of all times. Every sport has its set of markers to be judged against. Basketballl is a team sport - Jordan probably wouldn't have been as successful without a strong team behind him. Neither would have Schumacher. The Ferrari resurgance over the past few years has been incredible, but not entirely Schumacher's doing.

How can you compare a racer to a basketball player to a football (soccer) player to hockey player to a golfer? You can't. Out of all those sports golf is probably the easiest to choose a "best ever" from; they are basically competing against themselves, physical size isn't as much a factor, equipment can be easily equalized.

Darts! There's a real sport - they compete drunk.

[holiday]

Originally posted by FORZA JUVENTUS
So my question is which one is better of the two??

Irrelevant question.

The best currently active athlete in the WHOLE world of sports is Garry Kasparow.

Without a trace element of doubt he is the greatest chess mind ever taking a seat at the checkerboard, even if he lately has lost some of his edge due to his progressed age.

Kasparow is more brilliant and superior to his colleagues in his sports than Schumacher and Jordan ever were in theirs.

Kasparow = Supernova of an athlete

[rayyu882]

Can't compare since they belong to two different sports... But both have some very similar characteristics, like both are extremely competitive person! they have the willingness to win, they both work harder when championship are on the line, they both won't giveup under any kind of condition, both handle pressure really well in critical situation. And off course both have great god given abilities to compete in the highest level of their own sports. That's what make them so special! (Senna are like that also...) So no question that both will be Legend and forever be one of the greatest in their sports!

[fifi]

i dont see how you can compare 2 different sportsmen from different areas

[tifosi]

Originally posted by FORZA JUVENTUS
At the moment i have Michael Jordan as my pick because he carried the entire team on his shoulders and the success he achieved was due to his own oustanding individual performance. However, if Schumacher wins another championship, it will be hard to go against him.

So Michael Schumacher orMichael Jordan and why????

While Michael Jordan may well have been the greatest basketball player of all time, his "success" at Washington clearly demonstrates he did not carry any team on his shoulders. Chicago was stuffed full of talent, and while MJ was a very important part he wasnt the only cog in the machine. Hell I could make the argument that Wayne Gretzky carried an entire sport on his shoulders.

[Scudetto]

Originally posted by tifosi
While Michael Jordan may well have been the greatest basketball player of all time, his "success" at Washington clearly demonstrates he did not carry any team on his shoulders.

He certainly didn't carry ANY team, but he was way past his prime come Washington and his performances there weren't a fraction of what he was formerly capable of.

[tifosi]

Originally posted by Scudetto


He certainly didn't carry ANY team, but he was way past his prime come Washington and his performances there weren't a fraction of what he was formerly capable of.

No question there, I was only responding to someone else's assertion that he won 6 championships single-handedly.

[Frodo]

Originally posted by zak

Darts! There's a real sport - they compete drunk.

[SeanValen]

Originally posted by FORZA JUVENTUS
. However, if Schumacher wins another championship, it will be hard to go against him.

Someone else said the same thing last year, if Schumi win's title number 6, he's the best best best!! etc, now its 7, and if he wins 7, we want 8, 9, hell schumi stay for 10, now 10's a round number, we get way too greedy and ask for blood.

I think both Jordan and Schumi have been benchmarks of their sports for a long time, and champioships are not the sole ingrediant in f1 in judging a driver, I hold Schumi's 96/97/98 seasons in high regards in his driving to get the results he did those seasons, Hungary 98 was special because he wasn't expected to win etc that's my view of it, a great performer will give his all, even when the chips are down, and sometimes deliver something more memorable at times then the ultimate glory=championship.

[chris_canuk]

Originally posted by holiday



Irrelevant question.

The best currently active athlete in the WHOLE world of sports is Garry Kasparow.

Without a trace element of doubt he is the greatest chess mind ever taking a seat at the checkerboard, even if he lately has lost some of his edge due to his progressed age.

Kasparow is more brilliant and superior to his colleagues in his sports than Schumacher and Jordan ever were in theirs.

Kasparow = Supernova of an athlete

Chess is a sport?

[mach3]

Originally posted by chris_canuk


Chess is a sport?

Of course it is... I use almost as many muscles playing chess as I use on Sunday mornings using my remote to switch between Speed and TSN. And believe me - NOBODY does that better than me!!!

[holiday]

Originally posted by chris_canuk
Chess is a sport?

Somebody lately convinced me that Golf might be indeed one, so I guess this must make Chess as demanding as a stone-age-five-day-hunt-after-the-mammoth-trip.

Besides, did you know that chess is the only sports at which absolute equal opportunities for the competitors are given? [for an even number of matches]

[Taxi]

Michael Collins

[Math Soucy]

Chess a sport? Of course. It is the only game in the world without any element of luck.

[holiday]

Jup.

But still: 75% of the matches are won by white.

That's why only an even number of matches provides absolute equality of chances.

[fastlegs]

Originally posted by Scudetto


As a Chicagoan, maybe I'm qualified to chime in on this one. Jordan was great, yes. Perhaps the greatest hoopster ever. But he did not single-handedly bring 6 titles to Chicago, in the same way that Schumacher has not single-handedly brought 6 WDC's to Ferrari. Jordan had a high-quality team around him in the same way that Schumacher does. While Jordan's "equipment" was not nearly as technical as that which Schumacher has at his disposal, both of their successes depend on physical and mental abilities that differ only in kind, rather than degree.

I won't even begin to speculate who's the "better athlete" between the two because the endeavours are so fundamentally different that a side-by-side is act of futility.

I'll instead let it rest with the observation that both Schumacher and Jordan have exceptional talents in their chosen sports, which enabled both to bootstrap the organizations which they served with their leadership, intellect, and motivational qualities.

Well said!

[chris_canuk]

Originally posted by mach3


Of course it is... I use almost as many muscles playing chess as I use on Sunday mornings using my remote to switch between Speed and TSN. And believe me - NOBODY does that better than me!!!

Dual tuner Picture-in-Picture on a 51" big screen. Oh, yeah! Now THAT'S a sport, baby! TSN and Speed at the same time.

[Magister Mundi]

Originally posted by Schuperman
Michael Johnson.... 200m record holder... 19.62 seconds... No one comes close...
[/SIZE]

It was even better... 19.32s, though hardly without illegal drugs!

[Schuperman]

Originally posted by Magister Mundi

It was even better... 19.32s, though hardly without illegal drugs!

Opsss..... you are right.... Here we go...

200 meter
1. 19.32 Michael Johnson (USA) 1996 Olympic Atlanta (the best place to set a new record)
2. 19.66 Michael Johnson (USA) 1996 USA Olympic Qualification Atlanta (if not mistaken)
3. 19.72 Pietro Mennea (Italy) 1972 Mexico City (Olympic?)

400 meter
1. 43.18 Michae Johnson (USA) 1999 Seville Spain (Grand Prix?)
2. 43.29 Harry Reynolds (USA) 1988 Zurich (Grand Prix?)

IMO it would take a very long long time for these records to be broken..

Mmmmm... illegal drugs issue... no comments..