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#1 TigerEyes

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Posted 17 April 2004 - 13:38

Just a bit of information for all posters - there's a feature on the late Ayrton Senna being broadcast on the BBC Worldservice (MW 648kHz) on Friday 23.04.04.

It's being transimtted at the following UK (summer time [GMT +1]) times:

09:05, 13:05, 19:05

The information that I have states:

It was like the sun falling from the sky



Gerhard Berger recalls the day, ten years ago, when his team-mate Ayrton Senna, the great Formula One driver, died from his injuries at Imola.

The fatal crash came 24 hours after Rolan Ratzenberger had died in the qualifying race, and it cast a long shadow over Grand Prox racing.

Brazil mourned its hero, and Ayrton was given a state funeral. A serious, reserved man, Ayrton was beginning to relax and enjoy his sucess, and Berger is credited as being the man who had taught him how to laugh. Friends, family an d colleagues pay tribute in this first of two programmes.


No idea when the second part is being broadcast, but as soon as I know, I'll post a message.

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Posted 17 April 2004 - 14:05

Thanks for that info. Please get back if you find out more about the second program.

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Posted 17 April 2004 - 19:34

If someone were to tape it then transcribe onto Atlas imagine the gratitude. :kiss:

#4 TigerEyes

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Posted 17 April 2004 - 19:36

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll see if I can get the tape recorder on my stereo set up, so that I can get the transcription for posters who, for whatever reason, cannot listen to the program...

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Posted 17 April 2004 - 19:58

Dont worry guys you can listen to it for free through realplayer. The same program will be broadcast on bbc radio 5 in the uk and on their realplayer webcaster. Then it will be available to listen to for at least a week afterwards...and i think they will also archive it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...?5L_sportonfive

Click on 5 live formula 1.

They also have a half hour program on the friday of a grand prix weekend, its usually very interesting.

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#6 TigerEyes

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Posted 18 April 2004 - 08:12

:up:

Thanks for the info Guy - I didn't know it was going to be on 5 Live! in the Uk... But I'm still going to listen to the program on the Friday...

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Posted 18 April 2004 - 08:31

Some more info on AS that might be of interest
http://www.timesonli...1077121,00.html
http://www.timesonli...1077107,00.html
http://www.timesonli...1077122,00.html
http://www.timesonli...1077115,00.html
http://www.timesonli...1048627,00.html

#8 Seat18E

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 13:09

Too remember Ayrton Senna is to simply remember a generation of great racing and spectacular drivers!

#9 speedmaster

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 14:30

Originally posted by Seat18E
Too remember Ayrton Senna is to simply remember a generation of great racing and spectacular drivers!


just to add that IMHO he was the best.... :up:

#10 kouks

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 02:38

Originally posted by speedmaster


just to add that IMHO he was the best.... :up:


It's all about shot selection. When someone gives you a juicy one outside off stump, sometimes you are better served letting it go like Dravid rather than have a go at it like Sehwag.

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 03:07

Originally posted by raceday
Some more info on AS that might be of interest
http://www.timesonli...1077121,00.html
http://www.timesonli...1077107,00.html
http://www.timesonli...1077122,00.html
http://www.timesonli...1077115,00.html
http://www.timesonli...1048627,00.html


Thanks for sharing the links, Raceday !

#12 speedmaster

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 03:12

Originally posted by kouks


It's all about shot selection. When someone gives you a juicy one outside off stump, sometimes you are better served letting it go like Dravid rather than have a go at it like Sehwag.


I must admit.... I'm totally lost..... :drunk:

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 16:24

Here is another piece by Hill on that weekend. Sorry for the length, but the link where I found it several years ago no longer exists.

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THE BLACK WEEKEND
San Marino Grand Prix, 1994
Told by: Damon Hill


The first shock came when Rubens Barrichello crashed during the opening qnalifing session at Imola. He lost control of his Jordan coming trough the last chicane, probably at around 140 mph, and didn't have time to correct the car. He shot over a kerb, which lannched him into the air and then sent the Jordan barrel- rolling along the tyre barrier.

What shook us most was the rate at which the car took off; at one stage it looked as if it was going to smash trough the fence and fly into the grandstand. The Jordan, more by luck than anything else, finished on its side, upside down and against the barrier. That was bad enongh but the marshals promptly tipped the car over and, as it crashed on to its bottom, yon could see Barrichello's head thrashing around in the cockpit.

I was astonished that the marshals should have done that, particularly in view of the neck and spinal injuries received by J.J. Lehto and Jean Alesi dnring test sessions earlier in the year. After an accident like that, Barrichello could have sustained similar injuries. He should have been left as he was or, if there was a risk of fire, then at least the car should have been put down gently.

The next day, Rubens was walking around the paddock with nothing more than a cut lip and a broken nose. He was talking about making a come-back at the next race. The incident, despite its worrying implications, was gradually forgotten as Grand Prix racing got back down to business. In our case, that meant continuing our efforts to improve the Williams FWl6.

Despite having tested at Nogaro in the sonth-west of France during the days leading up to Imola, we were still concerned about FWl6. There had been a certain amount of educated guesswork and, while everyone tried to be optimistic, Ayrton and I were sceptical; we conldn't honestly say that the car was going to be any better than it had been.

The problem was, in essence, two-fold. First, the car was not consistently qnicker than the Benetton and, second, it felt horrible to drive. It is arguable as to which of the two problems made Ayrton and myself more unhappy, but it was most probably the former.

We were always changing the set-up of the car in an attempt to find that perfect combination which would turn the promise of a great car into a reality. What we wanted from the FWl6 was a feeling of balance and drive-ability. These are the conditions which enable a driver to enjoy the experience of driving and, consequently, go faster. It is difflcnlt to become familiar with a car if it is constantly being changed in an attempt to get good performance - it becomes a vicions circle.

Ayrton, however, had enormons reserves of ability and could overcome deficiencies in a chassis. Also, it is more common to have a car which is difflcult than one which is perfect. So, in some ways, things were as they should have been at Imola.

It was a pleasant surprise to find on the first day of practice that things had improved slightly. I was looking forward to really making some progress with the car even though I had one or two nerve-racking moments when I had to take to the grass because of a difficulty with the brakes. Patrick Head pointed out that, if there was a way of doing things wrong, then I appeared to be doing it! I was suitably chastened by his dressing down although I felt better at the end of the day when it was discovered that there had indeed been a problem with my car. I had gone off at the final corner and damaged the suspension. By the time repairs had been carried out, there were just ten minutes of the first qualifying session remaining and I only managed seventh place on the provisional grid. Even so, I still felt good about the Williams although I can't honestly say that Ayrton shared my optimism; he was not convinced we were going in the right direction. In other words, he didn't like certain aspects of the car's behaviour. But then he was a perfectionist.

A lot of thought was put into the set-up and, on Saturday, the car really was much better. On my first quick laps during qualiffting, I managed to pull myself up to fourth place. It had been a decent run and I was on my way in when I came across warning flags at the end of the 200 mph straight. I got to Tosa corner, only to be confronted by the remains of Roland Ratzenberger's Simtek. I could see where the debris had started and, judging by the distance travelled, it was obvious that this had been a very big accident. As I went by, I had a strong sense of foreboding about his condition because there was so much destruction. With Barrichello we had been lucky. This time it was very clear that poor Roland was not going to be let off so lightly. And, unbeknown to everyone, this was to be the start of a terrible sequence of events which would demonstrate in no uncertain terms the inherent dangers of the sport.

Practice was stopped. Ayrton went down to the site of the accident because he wanted to see for himself what had happened. He had done it before when Martin Dounelly crashed at Jerez in 1990 and I believe it is every driver's right to do that sort of thing if they wish.
Personally, I would rather not. I had been present at Goodwood during a Formula Three test session in February 1986 when Bertrand Fabi was killed and I had no wish to see anything like that again. Anyway, Ayrton chose to go to Tosa. Everyone was terribly concerned for Roland; the feeling was that he was in a bad way. When Ayrton returned, he spoke to Patrick and me in private at the side of the motorhome. He said quite simply that Roland was dead. It was his way of getting the point across to us as deliberately as possible that from what he had witnessed there was no doubt about it. Then he went into the motorhome and changed out of his driving overalls even though the session was about to re-start.

I could not decide what the right thing to do should be; stop like Ayrton or soldier on? I wished the officials had cancelled the rest of the session so as to remove that particular dilemma. It had been left to me to decide whether or not I wished to go out again. You are immediately confronted with the question, `Do I get back into a racing car now - tomorrow - a week later - or never again?' Just how do you decide?

It's not as if racing drivers don't know that fatal accidents are a possibility. If a driver does not accept that fact, if he is completely and utterly shocked by an accident like Ratzenberger's, so much so that he cannot get back in a racing car, then he has been deluding himself about the danger up until that point.

Of course, racing drivers are not that stupid. But, when confronted with something like this, you are facing a severe and immediate test of whether or not you are prepared to accept the risk. Roland had said he was never as happy as when he got his Formula One drive. It's what he wanted to do. It's what a lot of people want to do and many never get the opportunity. Even so, that does not make situations such as this any easier to accept.

Everyone was deeply affected by Roland's death. Williams and Benetton withdrew for the rest of the afternoon; others decided to continue with the session. But the question everyone was asking was, `Why did Roland die?' There was concern that we had got to the point where the inherent risks in Formula One had become greater because of certain factors such as the speed of the cars and their increasing ability to withstand impacts. Something has to give and, in the light of recent accidents, it was turning out to be the driver. Had we reached the totally unacceptable stage where, if a car was going to hit a wall then the driver was going to die? Ironically, in the light of what would happen the following day, Ayrton went to talk with other drivers and people such as Niki Lauda, who had been involved in a horrific accident in 1976. They wanted to know what could be done - and done immediately - about safety. It was agreed that the drivers should meet and discuss these matters, probably at Monaco in two weeks' time.

The mood that night was sombre to say the least. I stayed at the circuit, ate at the motorhome and generally found it difficult to think of much else but the accident. I tried to concentrate hard on what we were going to do for the race. My thoughts were, `Look, I'm not going to stop racing; I'm looking forward to the Grand Prix. I enjoy my motor racing just as Roland did. Every second you are alive, you've got to be thankftil and derive as much pleasure from it as you can.' In some ways, events that afternoon had been a spur, a reminder not to become complacent. It prompted me to be as positive as I could, look forward to the race and pray that something could be done to prevent such things happening again. It was to be a short-lived hope.

When the cars went out for the warm-up on race morning, it was the first time I had been on the circuit since knowing the outcome of Roland's accident. It was terriffting to go past the point where he had crashed. You could suddenly imagine the force of the impact because you were actually travelling at the same speed he had been doing before he went off.

Under normal circurnstances, you wouldn't give it a second thought because, even though speeds reach 200 mph, it is not a part of the circuit where you come close to the limit; it is not a place you would worry about. You are relying entirely on the car and, in the light of Roland's accident (probably caused by a failure of the nose wing mounting), it brings it home that sometimes you are just a passenger, putting your faith in the components.

Drivers can accept the penalty of making a mistake; there is always the hope that they can do something about retrieving the situation and that the penalty is not too severe. At least it's their mistake. However, it feels very uncomfortable placing all your trust in the machinery - but there is no alternative. It is rather like being on an aeroplane; you are at the mercy of the pilot and the integrity of the equipment. You are powerless to do anything about your situation. At least I had the consolation of driving for Williams Grand Prix Engineering. I knew they would always do the best job possible.

I knew, too, that Ayrton was out to dominate proceedings on race day. He had been fastest during the warm-up and I was next, 9/l0ths of a second slower. I was happy with the car and I knew exactly what I'd had to do to set that time. So it was clear that Ayrton must have tried very hard indeed to set his time. It seemed to me that my team-mate was playing a psychological game here because, when you know that someone is almost a second a lap faster, it can demoralize you before the race has even started. I was not too worried because I was happy with the pace I was running at; I knew I could keep that up throughout the race whereas I didn't think Ayrton could.

It was going to be a very interesting race.

All of this kept my mind focused on the job but, when we went to the pre-race drivers' briefing, the previous day's tragedy proved to be just beneath the surface of everyone's consciousness. There was a minute's silence for Roland and the atmosphere was heavy with more than the usual pre-race tension. The talk of a drivers' meeting about safety to take place before Monaco rang alarm bells with the Formula One organizers. Whenever drivers group together there is the potential for trouble. Well, we were all together now, in the pre-race drivers' briefing as usual, and we weren't happy.

But there was very little that could actually be achieved right then. Gerhard Berger raised one seemingly insignificant but relevant point about safety. But what he did not reveal was that he had put up to it by Senna. Ayrton didn't want to be the first to raise the point for fear of appearing to be the only person concerned about the problem, yet, typically, it was he who pressed it home. One of the things which had upset Ayrton in Japan had been the introduction of a pace car during the final parade lap leading to the start. He felt that it was nothing more than a gimmick and contributed nothing else than making the cars run far too slowly and therefore less able to put heat into their tyres. When other drivers backed him up, the officials agreed without hesitation to abandon that idea. A small victory had been won, but it was nonetheless significant.

This was evidence of a failure to consult the drivers on important issues. There are certain matters which only the drivers are qualified to comment on an this strengthened the view that we should get together and express our fears in an attempt to have things changed and make the racing a little bit safer.

As the race approached, I'm sure most drivers were able to put those thoughts to the back of their minds. I think everyone felt -as they had done for the previous twelve years- that the dangers had been reduced considerably, to the point where death was but a slim possibility. And, in the aftermath, it was felt that Roland's crash had been one accident in a decade and it was unlikely to happen again for a while. You could claim that it is stupid to act like that. But that's the way people think.

In any case, I'm sure Ayrton had other things to occupy him at this stage. Pressure had been coming from all directions. The media had been making a point about how the winner at Imola nearly always goes on to take the championship; that Ayrton had failed to score a single point in the first two races (something he had never experienced before in his ten years in Formula One); that Michael Schumacher was the coming man and had a twenty-point lead over Ayrton; that this was a crucial race because Schumacher and Benetton were favorites to win the next round at Monaco. I think all of that had impressed itself upon Ayrton. The warm-up had shown he was in a fighting mood. He had pole position and he was raring to turn the tide.

Some people have attempted to infer that Ayrton was not in the right frame of mind for the race, but I cannot say anything more than that, to me, he seemed tota11y focused. It must have been difficult completely to ignore the events of the day before, even for a man such as Ayrton, but when a race is about to start your mind can be on one thing only - winning.

Sure enough, he made a good start but we only got as far as the Acque Minerali chicane at the top of the circuit when the red flags came out and there were signs that the safety car was being brought into play. The safety car had been a fairly recent innovation, a means of slowing the cars as it formed behind an official car and circulated at reduced pace until whatever problem on the track had been sorted out. In this case, when we got to the start/finish area, we could see there had been a collision.

J.J. Lehto, starting from the second row, had stalled and had been hit from behind by Pedro Lamy who had performed some sort of extraordinary maneuver from the penultimate row and crashed into the back of the Benetton. I had been warned on the radio that there was a lot of wreckage on the track but I was not aware that a wheel and parts of a car had cleared the fence and gone into the enclosure, injuring a number of spectators. There was debris everywhere and it was difficult to avoid it, which was a worry.

The aim of the safety car is to keep the show going without bringing the race to a complete halt. But my feeling was that this should only have applied during a race once it was up and running. In this case, we hadn't even done a fill lap at racing speed and it was difficult to see why the race could not have been stopped and re-started, as permitted by the rules. The net result was that we were forced to go round at what can only be described as a snail's pace for five laps. Anyone who has worked with Ayrton will tell you how much time and effort he put in to making sure his tire pressures were absolutely right. I'm not exaggerating when I say that he could tell, to within half a pound psi, whether the car was balanced or not. This is a critical area because every racing car is sensitive to tire pressures. While we wait on the grid during the final fifteen minutes or so, the tires are wrapped in electric warmers and these ensure that the temperatures are maintained, even during the minute or so after the blankets have been removed and we wait for the green flag.

But the problem is that, during the subsequent parade lap, the pressures and temperatures drop due to the fact that you are not running quickly enough to generate sufficient heat in the rubber.

And, as Ayrton had pointed out, this business of running the Porsche pace car in Japan only made matters worse.

During the first few laps of the race, therefore, the car does not handle particularly well until the heat gets back into the tires and the pressures come up. And at Imola, the problem was compounded when we had to do five laps behind the safety car. Certainly, my car was more difficult to drive than usual during those first few laps after the re-start.

To be honest, I hadn't helped matters by messing up the re-start slightly when the safety car pulled off. It so happened that, on the two occasions when the safety car had been used in the past, I had been leading. The trick is to drop back and give yourself a free run once the car disappears but, when you are in traffic, as I was at Imola, it is not possible to see exactly where the safety car is. It is best to stick with the guys in front but, in this instance, I had dropped back too much and, when Ayrton and Michael took off at the re-start, I was already about five seconds behind.

But I had learned an important lesson. At Imola, there is a tight chicane just before the start/finish straight. When I slowed for the chicane, the brakes and the tires were cold. I locked up my left-front wheel and, for a terrible moment, I thought I was going to slide off the road before I had even started the first flying lap. That alerted me to the problem caused by the five slow laps behind the official car.

I spent the first lap trying to cope with the car and concentrating on catching Gerhard Berger's Ferrari ahead of me in third place. I could see up ahead that Ayrton was leading Michael and they were quite close. There is no question that Ayrton was highly motivated to beat Michael and I'm sure he was finding it frustrating not to be pulling away during those first few laps.

When I came through Tamburello for the second time, there was dust and debris and a car going sideways across the grass. I could see that it was Ayrton. At the time, I was busy dodging wheels and a nose wing that was flying through the air. I was pretty occupied as I went by but, once I'd got past the scene of the accident, I was concerned for Ayrton's safety. It had obviously been a very big shunt; you don't have a small one on that corner. My initial thoughts were that Ayrton and Michael had tangled and one of them had been pushed off.

The race had been stopped and we pulled up at the pit lane entrance. Everyone was asking about what had happened but we had no information. One report suggested Ayrton had been moving. Then they said he was out of the car. But, either way, it was very possible that he was seriously hurt.

I was anxious to find out precisely what had taken place. And why. I went over to Michael Schumacher and asked him what he had seen. He explained that Ayrton's car had been bottoming a lot and he'd almost lost it at Tamburello on the previous lap. In his opinion, the same thing had happened again but, this time, Ayrton didn't catch it and went off. I asked Michael if he had seen any hint of trouble, perhaps with the suspension, or the tires; something like that. He said he hadn't seen any problems at all.

I took all of that on board and made a note to be careful in the early stages when the tire pressures might be low and perhaps the car is bottoming too much. But I still knew nothing about Ayrton's condition. It is one of the less savory aspects of motor racing that it is not considered to be a good idea to tell the whole truth at the time of an accident in order to get the show over with and send people home none the wiser. Slowly, however, word trickled through that Ayrton's condition was quite serious.

I just couldn't believe that this was happening. I thought that perhaps he'd hurt himself badly and he would be out for a couple of races. That was as much as I knew; that was as much as I would allow myself to think. I tried to concentrate on the race and motivate myself with the thought that it was very important that I get a result for the team. There was nothing I could do about Ayrton. The only thing was to do my job to the best of my ability.

Despite making a reasonable start, that plan was wrecked halfway round the first lap as I tried to take second place off Schumacher. He was trying to get past Gerhard Berger and I don't think he realized I was so close. The Benetton chopped straight across in front of me and accidentally took a nose wing off. That meant a pit stop for a replacement and the task of rejoining at the back of the field. It sounds callous, perhaps, but my thoughts were either, `Things just aren't going our way this year', or `My God, this just gets worse Throughout the race, I just kept thinking that this was a job which had to be done.

Nothing more than that. Much as I felt like it, there was no way I was going to pull in because that would have been completely the wrong thing to do. The only answer was to try to better the situation the team found themselves in and get the best result I could. Looking at it coldly, it was what I was paid to do and that was about as much enjoyment as I got out of it. One point for sixth place was hardly brilliant. It was something after a climb from last place - but what value was that in the context of everything which had happened over the weekend?

I was pretty shattered by the end of the race. I spoke to Frank and he explained that Ayrton was not in good shape. I just wanted to get away from the circuit; just get in the car and go. Georgie and I could have had a lift in the helicopter if we wanted to wait. But I just wanted to leave as soon as possible.

We did that, even though it meant sitting in a traffic jam for ages. We missed our first flight but I was only worried about how Ayrton was going to pull through all of this. When we reached the airport a member of the team was waiting to tell us that Ayrton was dead.

I had briefly considered that as a possibility but put the thought out of my mind by reflecting on what I had learned about his condition. I had been told that he had serious head injuries and it seemed likely to me that he might never drive again. But that's about as far as my thinking had gone. To learn that he was dead was like having someone turn off your power supply. I was completely shaken; totally shattered.

Georgie and I drove off and stopped at a restaurant where we sat down to think about it all. And you ask yourself over and over again, `Is it worth it?' That's the bottom line at the end of a weekend like this; always the same question, `Is it worth it?'

It was not a new sensation for me. I can remember playing in the front room at home when the newsflash came through that Jim Clark had been killed. I knew that he was my Dad's friend and, when my Mum came into the room, I could see she was shocked. I didn't really understand what had happened. But I knew it was bad.

Throughout that period of my life there were occasions when my father had to go to the funerals of friends. It was, without wishing to sound macabre, a gradual introduction to the reality of motor sport, admittedly at a time when the safety standards were nothing like they are now. I remember thinking, `Hang on, why is Dad doing this? It doesn't make sense.'

And yet he carried on. He did not give up because of the accidents and he drove through what was probably one of the most dangerous periods of Grand Prix racing. The irony was, of course, that he did not actually die in a racing car. And that itself was something which I had to cope with. He raced cars, faced the obvious dangers and yet he died in an airplane. Where was the logic in that? It was part of the learning process where I discovered that bad things happen in life, even if you don't put yourself at risk. Horrible things occur all the time. To me, it seems the real tragedy would be to stop doing something you enjoy. There is no reward without risk. James Hunt died of a heart attack and yet who is to say that he did not live more, cram more into his forty-six years than most people manage in a lifetime? I don't pretend to know the answer.

Probably the easiest thing is to do is carry on and convince yourself that you're doing the right thing. So I forced myself as much as possible to think about giving up and doing something else. Nothing definite sprang to mind but I knew I could do all the things which I had been forced to abandon for the sake of motor racing; weekends off, skiing, more time with the children, see my friends more often; that sort of thing.

And yet I knew that, since an early age, I had always wanted to challenge myself I needed those punctuations in my life where I had to face up to a severe test and the fact is that few things can offer that sort of opportunity. There are times when I feel totally happy with myself It may not last long. It might be for a few hours, it could even be for a fill day but, quite often, it is only a matter of minutes after I've done something that I'm really proud of. But those moments are addictive. Once you've had one, you need them again and again, like hitting a good golf shot. You subconsciously think of the time when you've had enough (maybe after the highest high) and will give up, completely fulfilled. Until then, you continue to risk all for that fleeting moment.

It may be different for other drivers. In fact, I can't begin to know how people such as Philippe Streiff and Martin Donnelly, put out of racing through serious injury, must feel. How much would they give to get back into a racing car? Or are they simply happy to be alive? It is not the sort of question you can put to them but it is something you need to ask yourself.

There was almost too much time to think about everything during the days which followed. I deliberately chose not to watch television or look at newspapers the following day. I did not see the video of the accident until Tuesday, by which time I had decided that I really ought to find out what had happened. Then I learned that Ayrton's funeral would take place in Sao Paulo.

The last thing I wanted at that point was to go to Brazil; given the choice, I would have gone away with my family and cut myself off until it was all over. I was not a close friend of Ayrton because I had only really known him for a few months. But the fact was that I had to face certain things: I had to find how and why Ayrton had crashed and it was important to show my loyalty as his team- mate. I knew I had to go to the funeral. I'm glad now that I did. I discovered just how much Ayrton meant to Brazil. The funeral was almost presidential; quite extraordinary. Thousands of people lined the streets and many ran alongside the cortege. It was a very long way and I saw one person run almost the fill distance before falling into a hedge with exhaustion. There was a twenty-one-gun salute carried out with great military precision, a fly-past, a number of dignitaries, including the president of Argentina and the Japanese ambassador.

Ayrton's family had requested that the drivers present escort the coffin as far as they could to the graveside, where there was a rifle salute. Overhead were four or five helicopters; it was a television spectacular of sorts but I couldn't hear any of the service because of the racket from above. I thought it rather sad that the family couldn't be left in peace during those final minutes.

The furor over why he crashed was still raging in the media but, even though I was a member of the team, I was not aware of any animosity. In fact, it seemed to me quite the opposite. I was touched, particularly by the children who would have grown up knowing nothing but the success which Ayrton Senna brought to Brazil. It was obviously very difficult for them to understand what had happened to their hero.

I remember being approached for my autograph by two fans as I left the hotel to go to the funeral. They said that Brazil would be watching me now - and that just choked me with emotion. I suddenly realized that they loved motor racing and, because Ayrton had chosen Williams as his team, it had become their team as well. It was not that I was stepping into his Ayrton's shoes or anything like that; it was just that Williams had become a part of their life and, by association, I was a part of it too. I thought it was a truly generous thing for them to say. All this was a lot for me to take on board. I had been looking forward to racing under the protective umbrella of Ayrton Senna. If I came second to him in a race then I could say I had done a good job - provided he wasn't too far ahead. But suddenly I was discovering the kind of responsibility he had been carrying all these years. He had been expected to win all the time. Being this person Ayrton Senna must have been a burden even if he did choose to carry it in the first place. In the short time that we had worked together, I had come to understand that he was a pretty special driver, an instinctive driver. If you gave him a car which wasn't quite perfect, he could still make it go very quickly; in fact, I don't think he knew any other way.

I remember being intrigued by the way he would describe how the car handled. He would put his hands up in front of his face as if he was looking through the steering wheel, almost as if he was aiming the car. He had a very, very good ability to recall sensations and talk about the car repeatedly so that the engineer understood exactly what he was trying to say. It was in abstract terms. He wouldn't say the rollbar was too stiff. He would talk about sensations; refer to the road doing this or such and such a corner doing that, things I didn't even consider. He seemed to be able to see in minute detail exactly how the road changed.

If a car was not capable of winning, Ayrton could make it win. In the Brazilian Grand Prix, for instance, he had a car which was a bit off the pace of Schumacher's Benetton. Yet he was able to stay with Michael and I was astounded that he had been able to do that with a car which, if it was anything like mine, simply wasn't handling.

At one stage they were about to lap me. Michael came through and I thought I had better get out of Ayrton's way. But, almost before I had taken the decision, he dived past me and nearly went off. He was heading towards the grass and just managed to slither through. He had completely messed up the corner but, to him, the important thing was to get by; he wasn't going to lose any time hanging around waiting for me.

It was as if he was being sucked towards the end of the race; as if you had attached one end of an elastic band to the start line and wound the rest up for the number of laps - and then just let him go. His desire to win was simply overwhelming. And judging by the remarkable scenes at his funeral, he was doing it for a nation he loved, a nation which loved him.

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 21:10

Originally posted by TedN
Here is another piece by Hill on that weekend. Sorry for the length, but the link where I found it several years ago no longer exists.

Ted

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THE BLACK WEEKEND
San Marino Grand Prix, 1994
Told by: Damon Hill


.....

..... To learn that he was dead was like having someone turn off your power supply. I was completely shaken; totally shattered.....

.....is no reward without risk. James Hunt died of a heart attack and yet who is to say that he did not live more, cram more into his forty-six years than most people manage in a lifetime? I don't pretend to know the answer.....


There was almost too much time to think about everything during the days which followed. I deliberately chose not to watch television or look at newspapers the following day. I did not see the video of the accident until Tuesday, by which time I had decided that I really ought to find out what had happened. Then I learned that Ayrton's funeral would take place in Sao Paulo.

.....I knew I had to go to the funeral. I'm glad now that I did. I discovered just how much Ayrton meant to Brazil. The funeral was almost presidential; quite extraordinary. Thousands of people lined the streets and many ran alongside the cortege. It was a very long way and I saw one person run almost the fill distance before falling into a hedge with exhaustion. There was a twenty-one-gun salute carried out with great military precision, a fly-past, a number of dignitaries, including the president of Argentina and the Japanese ambassador. ....



The furor over why he crashed was still raging in the media but, even though I was a member of the team, I was not aware of any animosity......

....In fact, it seemed to me quite the opposite. I was touched, particularly by the children who would have grown up knowing nothing but the success which Ayrton Senna brought to Brazil. It was obviously very difficult for them to understand what had happened to their hero.....

I remember being approached for my autograph by two fans as I left the hotel to go to the funeral. They said that Brazil would be watching me now - and that just choked me with emotion. I suddenly realized that they loved motor racing and, because Ayrton had chosen Williams as his team, it had become their team as well. It was not that I was stepping into his Ayrton's shoes or anything like that; it was just that Williams had become a part of their life and, by association, I was a part of it too. I thought it was a truly generous thing for them to say. All this was a lot for me to take on board. I had been looking forward to racing under the protective umbrella of Ayrton Senna. If I came second to him in a race then I could say I had done a good job - provided he wasn't too far ahead. But suddenly I was discovering the kind of responsibility he had been carrying all these years. He had been expected to win all the time. Being this person Ayrton Senna must have been a burden even if he did choose to carry it in the first place. In the short time that we had worked together, I had come to understand that he was a pretty special driver, an instinctive driver. If you gave him a car which wasn't quite perfect, he could still make it go very quickly; in fact, I don't think he knew any other way.



Marvelous piece you've brought us here... Thank you very much for sharing with us, moreover coming from Hill who was very close to him at that time... Ayrton was special for all of us Brazilians. At that time we were just getting out of 25 years of dictatorship which shatered our young leadership and thrown one of the richest countries in the world (considering natural resources and quality of its people) into the oblivion of the economy (which is still in recovery nowadays).

For the whole country Ayrton was the symbol that they could make it, that determination and passion can take anywere you want, even in the top technological sport... kids all over were looking into him as a role model, the whole population was doing it... Some say that a country who needs a savior does not deserve to be saved... this can be true for countries centuries old. Brazil is very new... 504 years exactly and had his history mared by exploration from Portugal and some other invasions. We were our own makers only in 1822 when we became independent so, we do really need role models and Ayrton not only provided a good one as he accepted the burden.

I was (and still) living in Miami, lost the race time and just jumped the bed, turn on the TV and the scene was from Schummi car's camera showing Ayrton bottoming the car and right after the shock.. for a brief moment while his head shooked I had some relief but when I saw the stewards running like crazy I felt the cold.... and later, following the news I've got to the terrible news via ESPN, he was dead... the world seemed to colapse and me and my wife cried a lot as most of the Brazilians that day and some days after.

So, as most of you who loves auto racing I do miss the driver. As a Brazilian I miss the countrymen and as a father I miss to have someone to show my son that courage, determination, perseverance can take you anywhere you may dream and want, and as a father also, I miss to be able to show that you can get to the top of the world and, still, have a heart to everyone, from the old lady in France, to the paraplegic boy in Italy, to the twins he flew to Brasil from France to watch his race to millions of kids he helped in Brazil and still helping thru his foundation now managed, fantastically, by his sister Viviane.

All in all your posting brought me deep thoughts of the time I would awake, every other Sunday, to be happy, to cheer for, to comemorate with a extremelly competent and skilled racing driver and a wonderful human beeing.

Ayrton, we miss you :cry: :cry: :cry:

Again TedN, thanks for this...

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 04:08

Originally posted by kouks


It's all about shot selection. When someone gives you a juicy one outside off stump, sometimes you are better served letting it go like Dravid rather than have a go at it like Sehwag.


still lost in your quote... :

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 04:36

I was asleep when the crash. That day I catch a NASCAR race on TV on ESPN. During one of the news update I saw the words "Aryton Senna killed at Imola". I didn't believe and hope it was a joke. Minutes later during NASCAR race it was out. One of the announcers said three-time world champion Ayrton Senna was killed at Formula 1 race. Those words crushed me.

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 05:21

Originally posted by speedmaster


still lost in your quote... :


Don't worry, it's just a silly cricket analogy with respect to your comment about Senna being the best ever. You're comment could have been attacked or left alone. I chose to leave it alone.

For what it's worth, I find it hard to split Senna and Shuey as the best of the modern day drivers with Prost very close behind then a gap to Mansell and Mika. My main regret is never having watched Gilles race, but anyone that the "Old man" calls his own is good enough for me.

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 06:22

Originally posted by speedmaster


just to add that IMHO he was the best.... :up:


well that is your opinion, but you don't have to blurt ir out like you are 4 years old.

I think MS is the best YAY, whoppie do ....

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 06:27

“On many occasions I have gained most satisfaction from beating my own achievements. Many times I find myself in a comfortable position and I don’t feel happy about it. I feel it is right to slow down, but something inside of me, something very strong, makes me try to beat myself.

“It is . . . an enormous desire to travel beyond my own limits. Of course, you are always compared to other people’s limits — but when I establish limits that are higher than any one else’s, then I want to beat them. I want to beat myself.”

“I was privileged to grow up in a happy, healthy environment. I had my family always behind me, helping me when I have some doubt, some question . . . and on top of that, I have been able to experience God’s power on earth.”

-Senna

Senna has inspired me in so many ways. Sometimes, before a race for example I will look at a picture of Senna & all of a sudden I'm flooded with inspiration & emotions. All the doubts & fear suddenly disapear.
The urge inside of me to push beyond my limits is so strong. When I go over the edge, this feeling comes over me, like I am nothing, nobody, whole.

Senna's biggest accomplishment isnt his 3 WDC's or 65 pole positions record in F1, but his charity work in Brazil.
The Ayrton Senna Institute to date has invested 113.2 million Brazilian reals in social projects helping nearly four million Brazilian children.

“Ayrton had something that the majority do not and that was opportunity,” Viviane Senna said. “When you give children an opportunity, they can change their destiny.”



Mayra Queiroz, 11, lives in Bom Jardim, a favela (slum) on the outskirts of Fortaleza and one of the most violent neighbourhoods in Brazil. Her opportunity to escape a future of drugs, teenage pregnancy and prostitution in the sex tourism industry is ballet.

Through Edisca, a project funded principally by the institute, Mayra has learnt an art usually reserved for the rich, receives free healthcare, literacy classes and at least one good meal a day. Her home is a mud and thatch hut. The main room, measuring 7ft by 7ft, is the larder/storeroom by day and, at night, the family of six sleep on the dirt floor. Three pictures are on the wall: Mayra in her ballet dress; Jesus Christ; and Ayrton Senna.

Helia Lucia, Mayra’s mother, said: “When he died everyone in the street got pictures from magazines and put them on their walls. I did not know he was funding social projects, but when I discovered this it made me admire him even more.”

The WDC's, the pole positions, they are just numbers. Life is beyond this. Senna won the heart of people through love.
Senna is the people's champion.

Thank you Ayrton. We will never forget you. :cry:

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 13:49

Originally posted by dan2k


..... The WDC's, the pole positions, they are just numbers. Life is beyond this. Senna won the heart of people through love.

Senna is the people's champion.

Thank you Ayrton. We will never forget you. :cry:



Sure :up: :cry:

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 19:07

Originally posted by Pikachu Racing
I was asleep when the crash. That day I catch a NASCAR race on TV on ESPN. During one of the news update I saw the words "Aryton Senna killed at Imola". I didn't believe and hope it was a joke. Minutes later during NASCAR race it was out. One of the announcers said three-time world champion Ayrton Senna was killed at Formula 1 race. Those words crushed me.


Dale Earnhart won that race and dedicated it to Senna :up:

Ironic that both of the star drivers of both series die behind the wheel.

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 02:59

Originally posted by kouks


Don't worry, it's just a silly cricket analogy with respect to your comment about Senna being the best ever. You're comment could have been attacked or left alone. I chose to leave it alone.

For what it's worth, I find it hard to split Senna and Shuey as the best of the modern day drivers with Prost very close behind then a gap to Mansell and Mika. My main regret is never having watched Gilles race, but anyone that the "Old man" calls his own is good enough for me.


can't agree more with your second paragraph... and I had the chance to watch Giles and I would place him before Prost. My problem with Schummi is that he is too flat, even when he comemorates I can't feel he is really happy inside.... but, nonetheless, as you say both in the same level with Piquet and Giles right after (although Piquet seemed to me the most technical and mentally prepared)... Prost would be right after but there is no way I can like the guy...

As for your first paragraph, don't worry, is your right not to...

Cheers

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 14:30

Check out these pages;
Some insite in to "THE BLACK WEEKEND"
P.S. I dont mean to upset anyone


http://www.cineca.it...processing.html
and
http://www.cineca.it...searches/Senna/


thanks; Brière

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 14:41

OT-

I'm now pretty annoyed about the fact that, now it is not allowed any new thoughts about Senna :mad: :down:

http://forums.atlasf...&threadid=68371

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 14:53

Originally posted by SB
I'm now pretty annoyed about the fact that, now it is not allowed any new thoughts about Senna :mad: :down:

Don't be ridiculous - you've got 12 or more existing threads on which you can post about Senna :rolleyes: .

I can see bira's reasoning - the forum was starting to become one big Senna love-in :

Michael.

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 15:06

OT-

I'm now pretty annoyed about the fact that, now it is not allowed any new thoughts about Senna

Yeah i see what you mean,,, i doubt many people will see that now.

oh and i didn't see 12 existing Senna threads, did you?

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 15:08

As long as I could understand her (as a forum admin's) view point, I still think I should express my disagreement with this rule.

While the season is as (almost) most boring and uneventful as I could remember, and this event [ Senna's 10th anniverary ] is unique and wont be repeatable (I found almost no discussion about Senna in last two years), I think this can be given an exception as long as there are valid points throughout the thread. Furthermore people would not give any response to any meaningless threads, and they will be pulled down by any newer and meaningful threads.

Anyway these thread would only last for another 15 days only at most, so I really dont think this is a real trouble at all.
:o

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 19:56

Originally posted by michaelab

Don't be ridiculous - you've got 12 or more existing threads on which you can post about Senna :rolleyes: .

I can see bira's reasoning - the forum was starting to become one big Senna love-in :

Michael.


only 12???? he deserves 12,000 !!!!

and, to my oppinion, the forum is a big Senna love-in with few exceptions... this is the power he had. Had no, has, his name is still bringing passion to the discussion, hope for lots of children and make most of us miss his presence in auto racing.

Senna Forever :cry:

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 15:57

Whoever saw him racing cannot ever forget.

Im glad I did, from Monaco 84 to Imola 94. 10 years of early sunday magic.

Senna :up::up:


A legend lives on: nothing can separate Senna from the love of his people

By Ashling O'Connor


Senna left a legacy in São Paulo which is helping to liberate a country’s youth from a life of poverty


MORUMBI cemetery, in the heart of an affluent São Paulo suburb, has none of the hysteria and commercial tack of Graceland. It is not macabre, like Central Park’s Strawberry Fields, which commemorates the spot where the greatest Beatle took a fatal bullet. Nor does it attract the stoned, desperate and downright weird who worship at the Parisian altar of the Lizard King. The final resting place of Ayrton Senna, three-times Formula One world champion, is wholly peaceful.
“Nada pode me separar do amor de deus”, reads the simple brass plate at quadra 15, setor 7, jazigo 11, in the shade of a tree at the centre of a lush lawn dotted with the graves of the city’s rich and famous. “Nothing can separate me from the love of God.” Ten pots of fresh flowers encircle the plaque; several single rose stems a few days old are strewn across it. The song of a quero-quero bird echoes overhead.



Paulistas, the citizens of Brazil’s sprawling economic hub, tend to the graves of their loved ones. They, like the Senna family, may have lost a son, a brother, an uncle, a friend.

The scene is striking by its ordinariness. Yet Senna was no ordinary person. Like Elvis Presley, John Lennon and Jim Morrison, the Brazilian racing driver is a legend. A life cut tragically short has spawned a myth, a new generation of fans and a multimillion-dollar industry built on a perceived immortality.

Ten years after his fatal crash at Imola, Senna is more popular than ever. His brooding face stares out from news-stands; Brazilian children learn to read and write with the help of Senninha (Little Senna), his self-inspired cartoon boy racer, and their mothers pack sandwiches into branded lunch-boxes; commuters drive through tunnels and along roads bearing his name.

“He is still, for a good part of the population, an affectionate, sentimental quasi-religious asset,” Daniel Lins, a sociologist and author of Ayrton Senna, a Imolação de um Deus Vivo (Ayrton Senna, the Immolation of a Living God), said. “Senna is seen as a kind of Christ.”

The pilgrims are drawn from far and wide, particularly so in this landmark anniversary year. They visit the cemetery and the racetrack at Interlagos, where Senna famously won the Brazilian Grand Prix stuck in sixth gear. “Even people from France — Alain Prost’s country — have been coming here,” Sid Mosca, the man who painted Senna’s helmets, said. “Crying and hugging the helmets. Two English guys, they just wanted to smell inside an original.”

Mosca sits in his São Paulo workshop, surrounded by memories of one of the greatest racing drivers. Handmade replica helmets in their glass cases ready to be shipped out to fans; autographed calendars; a model speedboat; several pairs of Senna’s sunglasses in their leather cases; a bronze statuette. Many of the items will be entered into an exhibition that is part of the Ayrton Senna No Limits celebration moving around the world this year.

“I am a living legacy of Senna,” Mosca, who remembers meeting a 14-year-old go-karter with an unshakeable desire to win, said. He considers his role in creating one of the most instantly recognisable images in world sport — the blue and green stripes cutting around a yellow helmet to represent the Brazil national flag — and is lost for words.

Mosca, 67, has also personalised helmets for Jackie Stewart, Rubens Barrichello and Nelson Piquet, but he choked back tears and took a moment to compose himself before he said: “I helped create the icon. It was the most glorious moment in my life.”

Senna’s legacies are many and far-reaching. “He was obviously a great racing driver but his greatness was as a human being,” Julian Jakobi, Senna’s manager for nine years, said. Viviane Senna, the driver’s older sister by two years, said: “People used to say Ayrton surpassed racing. He was more. A great part of this connection in Brazil and abroad is because Ayrton is the expression of a potential realised.”

What would Senna be doing now if he had avoided tragedy? Most agree he would not have become a former champion hanging around the Formula One paddock, glad-handing at corporate lunches. He himself joked that he would retire to become a wildlife inspector at Angla doz Reiz, the family’s beach retreat in Rio de Janeiro and his most treasured place in Brazil.

“He would be an entrepreneur,” Viviane said. “After winning the World Championship at least five times and racing for Ferrari, of course.”

Possessed of a keen business acumen, Senna was already sowing the seeds for a future after motor racing. He had set up his family through a canny deal with Audi that saw them become the carmaker’s official importer to Brazil. He had trademarked the SS brand that adorns pens, T-shirts, watches, bicycles and motorbikes. He had launched the Senninha brand, which would go on to become the most important source of income for his charitable foundation.

Only two months before he died, Senna told Viviane about his desire to provide deprived children in Brazil with an opportunity to break their cycle of poverty. But it was not until later that the depth of his social conscience came to light.

“He would ring me late at night and say he had seen some tragedy on TV and he wanted to send some money, but he did not want anyone to know who it was from,” Jakobi said. “So we sent a banker’s draft. He said the same thing to his cousin in Brazil but didn’t tell me and it was only after he died, when we were comparing notes, that we found out how much he was donating. He gave away a lot.”

After her brother’s death, Viviane turned his vision into a reality by setting up the Ayrton Senna Institute. To date it has invested 113.2 million Brazilian reals (£46.6 million on a nine-year average exchange rate) in social projects helping nearly four million Brazilian children.

“Ayrton had something that the majority do not and that was opportunity,” Viviane, who together with her two brothers enjoyed a financially privileged upbringing, said. “When you give children an opportunity, they can change their destiny.”

Mayra Queiroz, 11, lives in Bom Jardim, a favela (slum) on the outskirts of Fortaleza and one of the most violent neighbourhoods in Brazil. Her opportunity to escape a future of drugs, teenage pregnancy and prostitution in the sex tourism industry is ballet.

Through Edisca, a project funded principally by the institute, Mayra has learnt an art usually reserved for the rich, receives free healthcare, literacy classes and at least one good meal a day. Her home is a mud and thatch hut. The main room, measuring 7ft by 7ft, is the larder/storeroom by day and, at night, the family of six sleep on the dirt floor. Three pictures are on the wall: Mayra in her ballet dress; Jesus Christ; and Ayrton Senna.

Helia Lucia, Mayra’s mother, said: “When he died everyone in the street got pictures from magazines and put them on their walls. I did not know he was funding social projects, but when I discovered this it made me admire him even more.”

Tens of millions of Brazilians used to make a habit of watching Formula One on Sundays. It was a time of escapism from their brutal realities when they could share in a national pride. “I realised that I only watched the races because of Ayrton because I have stopped doing it,” José Anibal, a psychologist and co-ordinator at a São Paulo project educating slum kids aged 8 to 17 through sport , said. “The older ones are closer to what happened to Ayrton, but the younger ones are introduced to him here.”

In death, Senna has opened the country-club environment of the University of São Paulo’s sports centre — where he used to jog around the track — to the poor. “Something great is happening due to him,” Fernando, a teenager from the San Remo favela, said. He would only have been 4 when Senna died.

Senna’s natural affinity with children underlines another tragic element of his story: that he was never a father (a paternity claim by a model was later disproved by DNA).

Through his foundation’s work, Senna’s spirit is close to them. His body, for ever 34, lies next to Marcelo de Aranjo Contier, whose plaque only says: 27-06-1987 to 29-07-1989.



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Posted 23 April 2004 - 17:09

I miss him so much. I have only ever had one hero and that was Senna. As a young teenager beginning my karting career and a huge F1 fan Senna shone like no other and I quickly became a fan. Then he signed with Lotus, my favourite team, it was a dream come true. I had the honour of meeting him in the pits at the '87 Detroit GP a memory I hold very dear and close to my heart. RIP my friend, your memory will live forever. :cry:


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Posted 23 April 2004 - 20:14

"..... Senna’s legacies are many and far-reaching. “He was obviously a great racing driver but his greatness was as a human being,” Julian Jakobi, Senna’s manager for nine years, said. Viviane Senna, the driver’s older sister by two years, said: “People used to say Ayrton surpassed racing. He was more. A great part of this connection in Brazil and abroad is because Ayrton is the expression of a potential realised.....”



Totally true... we miss you my friend, RIP

Senna forever :cry:

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 21:07

What would Senna be doing now if he had avoided tragedy?

“He would be an entrepreneur,” Viviane said. “After winning the World Championship at least five times and racing for Ferrari, of course.”

If we just had the ability to change history...:love:

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Posted 24 April 2004 - 14:05

Imola makes me miss him most.... :(

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Posted 24 April 2004 - 14:10

It was good to see his pictures on the Minardi on those quali laps, thoughtful touch for the weekend.

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Posted 25 April 2004 - 09:39

Some more links on Senna:

The first one is a list of all his races
http://www.motorspor...rs&D=2004-04-21

The second is about his Toleman and Lotus years
http://www.motorspor...rs&D=2004-04-22

The third is about the McLaren and Williams years
http://www.motorspor...rs&D=2004-04-23

And the final one is about "The last goodbye?"
http://www.motorspor...al&D=2004-04-23

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Posted 25 April 2004 - 10:23

Berger takes to the Imola track in Ayrton Sennas old Lotus in a tribute to his friend.

http://www.f1total.c...san/so/z040.jpg

http://www.f1total.c...san/so/z016.jpg

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Posted 25 April 2004 - 11:14

Does anyone know of Sennas training methology? I have Principles of Race Driving by Ayrton Senna, but I wanted more detail.

Apparantly he used to run every morning? At what time? How much physc training did he do with his coach? Techniques, details etc?

#38 speedmaster

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Posted 25 April 2004 - 23:55

Originally posted by messlah
Does anyone know of Sennas training methology? I have Principles of Race Driving by Ayrton Senna, but I wanted more detail.

Apparantly he used to run every morning? At what time? How much physc training did he do with his coach? Techniques, details etc?


Don't know if you read portuguese... maybe not...but here is the site of the guy responsible for his physical fitness, Nuno Cobra... you may email him in English. He was one of the greatest friends of Ayrton and probably will answer you.

http://www.nunocobra.com.br/
Senna Forever :cry:

#39 nigel red5

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Posted 26 April 2004 - 00:26

Originally posted by Guy
Berger takes to the Imola track in Ayrton Sennas old Lotus in a tribute to his friend.


It was very nice to see the `85 Lotus-Renault back in action. Gerhard drove round for at least 3 laps, mainly in 3rd gear for all of it. He gave it a bootful coming out of the final chicane at the end of lap 1......it was glorious. :)

The crowd were excellent, very respectful. To be honest i was too busy thiniking "this is brilliant" to even think about Senna`s races in that car, or any of his subsequent achievments.

May 1st is time for that.

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#40 speedmaster

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Posted 26 April 2004 - 01:25

Originally posted by nigel red5


It was very nice to see the `85 Lotus-Renault back in action. Gerhard drove round for at least 3 laps, mainly in 3rd gear for all of it. He gave it a bootful coming out of the final chicane at the end of lap 1......it was glorious. :)

The crowd were excellent, very respectful. To be honest i was too busy thiniking "this is brilliant" to even think about Senna`s races in that car, or any of his subsequent achievments.

May 1st is time for that.


The bastards of SpeedTv didn't show it.... I will try the Brazilian International Satellite TV tonight... If someone has the avi or mpeg video site please let me know... Thanks

May 1st.... Senna Forever... :cry:

#41 POLAR

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 13:21

Yeah, eleven years today...a sunny sunday morning...how everything has changed...

#42 jonpollak

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 14:12

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 14:12

Time flies :cry: :( :( -- At that time I was just a high-school student ....

Senna is my biggest hero, as always be !! :up:

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 15:02

I'm in Sao Paulo for the weekend...Senna's hometown is cloudy and rainy, as if it was a bit sad because of the date...

It has been 11 years already...but I dont think time will ever make me forget this day. May 1st will always be a day to remember and think Senna for what he did, both on and off the track.

AS :up::up:

#45 MortenF1

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 15:11

GREAT painting JP.

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 16:21

The month of April has gone by so quickly and I forgot today was already May 1st. Sad day, indeed, as I will always remember this as the day we lost a great one.

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 16:45

I warn everybody that I have very little patience if this thread turns into yet another pissing contest or an exercise in 'how to piss other BB members off making rude comments'

#48 jimm

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 16:55

My first emotion was, and I felt bad afterward, was I was happy that it was going to be a close championship as I was sure MS would win the race and it would give him a lead to buffer the rush of points that would come when Senna and williams got thier act together.

At the time I liked both drivers but after 92 and 93 was tired of one sided champoinships.

Sad to see a great driver end that way. To bad it was not Senna going against MS in 94 and 95 instead of Hill. Would have been great. WOuld have been good for MS too as it would have been better to beat Senna 1x to a WDC than Hill 2x

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 17:02

I was at Imola for the 1994 San Marino G.P.
I watched from the Gilles Villeneuve grandstand at Aqua Minerali. I can tell you that none of us had any idea of what had happened. Senna just disappeared from the circuit. We all thought he had just suffered a car failure or somesuch normal occurence.

After the race we walked back to the pit area. By the time we got there it was pretty much empty. A friend in the F3 support series told us that Senna had been in a bad accident. That was all er knew until 9:00 p.m. when we walked into our hotel and the desk clerk told us that Senna was dead. We were all stunned.

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 17:14

Originally posted by uffen
I was at Imola for the 1994 San Marino G.P.
I watched from the Gilles Villeneuve grandstand at Aqua Minerali. I can tell you that none of us had any idea of what had happened. Senna just disappeared from the circuit. We all thought he had just suffered a car failure or somesuch normal occurence.

After the race we walked back to the pit area. By the time we got there it was pretty much empty. A friend in the F3 support series told us that Senna had been in a bad accident. That was all er knew until 9:00 p.m. when we walked into our hotel and the desk clerk told us that Senna was dead. We were all stunned.


The odd thing I always thought was that it did not look like a bad accident, so I am not surprised you or others thought it was normal until they stopped the race. Especially when you compare it to Gilles' accident or the one that took out Pironi later that year... THe Ruben's accident looked much much worse from the day before....

Senna's stature had grown since then and I think it is because with all what was written about him, people were able to see him as a person instead of the persona he was in a car.