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#1 Jason

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 15:36

http://www.f1racing....hp?newsID=48311

NASCAR ace Jeff Gordon has admitted to 'discussions' with Sir Frank Williams. 'There are discussions going on,' he told reporters at Martinsville Speedway. 'I'm going to the Spanish race to watch and he's getting me credentials.' Journalists, who had gasped at the first statement of the tin-top driving American, smiled at the joke which had started as a rumour in season 2003. Gordon drove a BMW-Williams in a demo drive at Indianapolis Motor Speedway. 'Every time anyone asks me about F1 I say this - I had a blast driving the car but I don't plan changing my career.  I make much more money here, thanks.'

Who needs a new challenge with the type of money he's making. :rolleyes:

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 15:45

Well, much as I dislike NASCAR, the guy is entitled to make decisions on whatever criteria he wants. On top of the money, he probably gets to spend a fair bit of time at home, which wouldn't be possible if he drove in F1.

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 15:55

I don't care how talented JG maybe, the last thing F1 needs is a money chaser. There are plenty of young talented drivers, whose reasons for racing go beyond money. Give those guys a shot. Hopefully, people will stop asking him about F1, from now on.

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 15:58

Thing is, even with his divorce from Brooke he's still obnoxiously wealthy. With the kind of money he has, he could pay for a Williams drive and be better off

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 16:01

Anyone curious about the content of these "discussions"? What could they possibly be, unless its another cross-series promotional event like last year. It seems like there comes a point in most sportsmen's careers where the money really doesn't matter any longer, but the challenges do. Then again, didn't Gordon take a crushing bath with his divorce to Brooke Gordon? Maybe he needs the rebuild the treasury.

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 16:19

Originally posted by Jason
I don't care how talented JG maybe, the last thing F1 needs is a money chaser.


Once again, I am struck with the urge to laugh when something like this comes up.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Were it ever in the cards that Jeff Gordon were to be serious about F1 -- or even CART for that matter, it would have been several years ago. The money is less of a problem than the having to reorient his focus and undertake an entire new lifestyle that F1 seems to demand

It is readily apparent that Gordon has a genuine interest in F1 -- and the talent to do well if he wanted to take the plunge. He also has the ability/clout to get an opportunity at get a ride in an F1 car just to have some fun. Were it only that others were so inclined to at least check out rides in other series just for the heck of it, just to see what it is like.

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 16:57

I doubt he'd be able to cut it in F1 anyways. He's been out of open wheels for a very long time. Plus im sure he's not too keen on having the American media breathing down his neck. Plus it sounds like he's lost the main reason why he got into racing, cause he likes it, I guess he is so used to Nascar that he just thinks of it as a job now. No passion in him. Let him stay in Nascrap and keep pissing off all the rednecks.

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 17:18

Has he actually received any real offer from F1? Guess not, right?

Imo, even in the unlikely chance he was offered a deal, he would not accept it, because (not particularly in this order):

a)F1 means nothing for the average USA racing fan, let alone the normal joe.
b)He would be crushed by his teamate anyway, even if it was Dixon (who happens to be a much better prospect imho).
c)as he said himself: he makes more money selling the nascar brands than FW, for instance, would ever agree to pay him.
d)he would have to actually drive. :p

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 17:29

Originally posted by molive
Has he actually received any real offer from F1? Guess not, right?

Imo, even in the unlikely chance he was offered a deal, he would not accept it, because (not particularly in this order):

a)F1 means nothing for the average USA racing fan, let alone the normal joe.
b)He would be crushed by his teamate anyway, even if it was Dixon (who happens to be a much better prospect imho).
c)as he said himself: he makes more money selling the nascar brands than FW, for instance, would ever agree to pay him.
d)he would have to actually drive. :p

a)not quite true. Racing fans know F1 but the average joe wouldn't.
b)no. :lol: That's a good one, but it's pure speculation.
c)who knows, but sponsors would be readily available I am sure. Actually if JG went to F1 there would be quite a huge interest.
d) :lol: Last time I checked, those tin tops had a steering wheel, a brake, a clutch, an accel, GEARS... :eek: , weighed about 3000? lbs and had more than 500 hp. If you're not driving in those things, then i don't know what driving is.

p.s. (I would love to see the spanking he would put on Bruno.);) :kiss:

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 17:58

"I make much more money here, thanks"

To me this sounds like a joke not everyone understood?

a) True.
b) Perhaps, but I am not so sure. He is VERY talented and given enough time he MIGHT have what it takes to succeed in F1.
c) Yes, but it is hard to believe money is his main motivator nowadays.
d) You are saying competing in a top level stock car series is easy?

This manual gears/glutch thingy is exeggarated IMO, they cause no difficulties for average Joes (people who have always had a car with automatic gearbox being an exception), let alone pros...especially since there are only 4 gears in NASCAR ;)

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 18:09

All of you that have not seen it, watching "Tradin' Paint" is a must. I don't know what spec car that JG drove. But I do know that once he came to grips with it, he was blasting around Indy. I have it on tape and the laps he did with it would have qualified him in the top six for the previous Indy race. So if he is thinking about making a switch I'd cheer for him every inch of the way!! JG is a very talented race driver. A year or maybe a full winter testing and I think he could do it.

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 18:20

Even if JG were full committed to racing in F1, I'm not so sure he could pull it off. Let's be honest, 32 is a bit late to be starting an F1 career. Take JPM for example. Even with his previous background as a Williams test driver, it took him a full year to get on equal footing with Ralf. I'd imagine it would be even a tougher adjustment for Jeff. Damon Hill was able to step into F1 at a late age, but I'm sure he was well acclimated to the whole F1 environment.

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 18:24

Some drivers just have that ability to get behind the wheel of anything. Mario Andretti did it - why not JG??? After all he's ran in a few WRC - like races and quite well! I would actually consider that far more off then F1 when compared to NASCAR.

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 18:46

It's Pretty Clear Why We Won't See Gordon in F1.

Were you expecting him any time soon?

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 19:12

"I have it on tape and the laps he did with it would have qualified him in the top six for the previous Indy race."

Actually, the laps he did would have qualified him last ;)

I believe the car had some sort of "rookie" setup to make it easier to control...?

Gotta say JG was impressive though, he adapted really well and was looking good for someone who had no previous experience of F1 cars.

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 20:09

Imagine, going from a sport where:

1) you can have a few laughs and speak your mind, including getting into a few punch-ups;

2) F1 themselves look to NASCAR for marketing ideas;

3) your coverage on N.A. TV is unprecedented;

4) you actually talk to fans and fans can close to the pits;

to F1.

While I don't dismiss the obvious driving and car differences, who gives a **** if he goes into F1 or not. I mean, who really cares? And why debate his skills and IF he could make it to F1. In N.A., where HIS market counts, he is on top. He can be on top there even if he doesn't win a championship - the great US of A loves its NASCAR heroes, no matter where they end up in the standings.

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 20:59

Originally posted by skylark68
the great US of A loves its NASCAR heroes, no matter where they end up in the standings. [/B]


True, but not confined to NASCAR-

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........ Japan ...... Takuma Sato, ......

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........ Brazil ....... Massa, ......

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 21:20

I don’t watch NASCAR but is it possible that he actually likes to race there.

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 21:39

What's the big deal? If he wants to stay in Cup because of the money, who are we to criticize him for it? At least he's upfront about it. Can all those who criticize the remark honestly say that you've never made a career decision based in part on compensation? Being a race car driver may be a dream career for all of us, but at the end of the day it is a career, and all the same elements that we must weigh in our own career decisions are there for JG too.

I'm an engineer. Suppose I was making $250,000/year in the States making maxi-pads (which I did, but not for near that kind of money :p ), liked where I worked, and was well regarded by everyone in the maxi-pad world. Maybe someone comes along and offers me a job in Europe designing an F1 car, but I'd have to move there, leaving my friends and family behind, and my salary would only be $25,000/year, and I'd have to earn whatever respect I had here all over again. Would I take the job? Maybe. But it wouldn't be a no-brainer by any means. And I'd like to think that people that have never met me wouldn't begrudge me my decision if I decided to keep cranking out maxi-pads.

I'd love to see JG have a go in F1, but I don't think he's obligated to for the benefit of people like me who think it would be interesting to see. He no doubt saw what happened when Michael A tried it without uprooting and leaving the States behind completely, so maybe he just doesn't want to make those sacrifices.

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 22:10

Originally posted by xflow7
What's the big deal? If he wants to stay in Cup because of the money, who are we to criticize him for it? At least he's upfront about it. Can all those who criticize the remark honestly say that you've never made a career decision based in part on compensation? Being a race car driver may be a dream career for all of us, but at the end of the day it is a career, and all the same elements that we must weigh in our own career decisions are there for JG too.

I'm an engineer. Suppose I was making $250,000/year in the States making maxi-pads (which I did, but not for near that kind of money :p ), liked where I worked, and was well regarded by everyone in the maxi-pad world. Maybe someone comes along and offers me a job in Europe designing an F1 car, but I'd have to move there, leaving my friends and family behind, and my salary would only be $25,000/year, and I'd have to earn whatever respect I had here all over again. Would I take the job? Maybe. But it wouldn't be a no-brainer by any means. And I'd like to think that people that have never met me wouldn't begrudge me my decision if I decided to keep cranking out maxi-pads.

I'd love to see JG have a go in F1, but I don't think he's obligated to for the benefit of people like me who think it would be interesting to see. He no doubt saw what happened when Michael A tried it without uprooting and leaving the States behind completely, so maybe he just doesn't want to make those sacrifices.


If I had a lot of millions in the bank I would not be making career decisions based on money. You can only spend so much!

however Its really entirely up to this guy what he wants to do, moving to europe to race in F1 would be a huge life change for anyone, as it requires a complete commitment/uprooting.. We are not talking about someone who could stomach not being the best he could be if he went over after all.

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 22:27

Originally posted by xflow7
What's the big deal? If he wants to stay in Cup because of the money, who are we to criticize him for it? At least he's upfront about it. Can all those who criticize the remark honestly say that you've never made a career decision based in part on compensation? Being a race car driver may be a dream career for all of us, but at the end of the day it is a career, and all the same elements that we must weigh in our own career decisions are there for JG too.

I'm an engineer. Suppose I was making $250,000/year in the States making maxi-pads (which I did, but not for near that kind of money :p ), liked where I worked, and was well regarded by everyone in the maxi-pad world. Maybe someone comes along and offers me a job in Europe designing an F1 car, but I'd have to move there, leaving my friends and family behind, and my salary would only be $25,000/year, and I'd have to earn whatever respect I had here all over again. Would I take the job? Maybe. But it wouldn't be a no-brainer by any means. And I'd like to think that people that have never met me wouldn't begrudge me my decision if I decided to keep cranking out maxi-pads.

I'd love to see JG have a go in F1, but I don't think he's obligated to for the benefit of people like me who think it would be interesting to see. He no doubt saw what happened when Michael A tried it without uprooting and leaving the States behind completely, so maybe he just doesn't want to make those sacrifices.

I have no problem with his honesty. That's kind of my point. If he doesn't have a real passion for F1, then he shouldn't do it. If he was being serious, then at least we can officially take him out of the F1 rumor mill. Although, some probably think his remark was said in jest. Without hearing how his words were spoken, it's hard to know. Printed words can be deceiving in that way.

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 00:41

What a looser. If Jeff Gordon were to go to F1, he'd have the chance to change how Americans perceive Formula 1. He could be a pioneer of sorts, bringing back the sports popularity. I mean, imagine if he'd be competitive and win races and contend for a WDC. I'd say a good percentage of the new Nascar fans (and they make up a great number than the traditional Southern fans) would take interest in Formula 1.

But play it safe Jeff, win 1-2 more Nascar championships. Rake in the chips. Don't take a risk. Be a champion in your little playground. And turn you back on the opportunity to become a legend...

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 01:15

It's impossible for anyone to predict how Jeff would do in F1, for better or worse. I do know one thing, I'd love to see him get a real test with Williams and get some F1 miles under his belt. Perhaps he'd do well, fall in love with F1, and we'd see him on the 2005 grid!

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 01:16

Originally posted by D. Heimgartner
What a looser. If Jeff Gordon were to go to F1, he'd have the chance to change how Americans perceive Formula 1. He could be a pioneer of sorts, bringing back the sports popularity. I mean, imagine if he'd be competitive and win races and contend for a WDC. I'd say a good percentage of the new Nascar fans (and they make up a great number than the traditional Southern fans) would take interest in Formula 1.

But play it safe Jeff, win 1-2 more Nascar championships. Rake in the chips. Don't take a risk. Be a champion in your little playground. And turn you back on the opportunity to become a legend...


Yah, what a 'looser', to be one of the very best in his chosen sport. But I'm sure his legacy will always be that he was a 'looser' because he didn't try F1. Please. :rolleyes:

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 01:37

Originally posted by D. Heimgartner
What a looser. If Jeff Gordon were to go to F1, he'd have the chance to change how Americans perceive Formula 1. He could be a pioneer of sorts, bringing back the sports popularity. I mean, imagine if he'd be competitive and win races and contend for a WDC. I'd say a good percentage of the new Nascar fans (and they make up a great number than the traditional Southern fans) would take interest in Formula 1.

But play it safe Jeff, win 1-2 more Nascar championships. Rake in the chips. Don't take a risk. Be a champion in your little playground. And turn you back on the opportunity to become a legend...



:rolleyes:

That makes him a loser?

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 01:53

why are so many of you having a go at this bloke? Unless you know JG personally than there is no way to judge his opinions on this matter. I read this article on another site, and it was written completely differently anyway, with no mention of the money situation at all!

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 02:01

Apparently it is a slow day and idle fingers.....

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 02:15

I like Gordon,and respect his decision,but the thought of having him in F1 would be a dream come true.
The entire sport,all the teams and sponsors would see a bigger return on investment,and F1 would finally be able to crack the American nut.

Bernie would be wise to cough up 50 million of his own dough.

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 03:06

People also said that Michael Andretti in F1 would crack the US nut. Instead the guy sucked for any number of endlessly discussed reasons, and did nothing to crack the US nut.
JG is anything but a looser. He's a multi champion in the most grueling race series against the toughest top to bottom bunch of racers in the world.
If he didn't win at least half the races in an F1 season the world press would crucify him. He knows it. Williams knows it. And all of the posters on this board especially know it.
Tell ya what, have Williams trade Ralf straight up for Gordon, then we'll have a real discussion on who was the better driver.
Gordon gets a nice car and so does Ralf, and even though Ralf has never won a championship like Gordon has, repeatedly, I would think that the F1 cognescenti here would still rate Ralf far and above a hayseed like Jeff.

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 04:27

Originally posted by Pete Aaron
People also said that Michael Andretti in F1 would crack the US nut. Instead the guy sucked for any number of endlessly discussed reasons, and did nothing to crack the US nut.
JG is anything but a looser. He's a multi champion in the most grueling race series against the toughest top to bottom bunch of racers in the world.
If he didn't win at least half the races in an F1 season the world press would crucify him. He knows it. Williams knows it. And all of the posters on this board especially know it.
Tell ya what, have Williams trade Ralf straight up for Gordon, then we'll have a real discussion on who was the better driver.
Gordon gets a nice car and so does Ralf, and even though Ralf has never won a championship like Gordon has, repeatedly, I would think that the F1 cognescenti here would still rate Ralf far and above a hayseed like Jeff.

Can you imagine a redneck like Spencer reaching into Ralf's car and drilling him for being an arrogant Euro?
More speculation on my part of course... but those good ole boys would take Ralf's lunch money.
Funny idea pete. :wave:

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 05:34

Most of the F1 drivers would be laughed at in Nascar and treated like schoolgirls in skirts because that is how they are perceived. “After you my fine sir” they would sneer as they waved their handkerchiefs and raised their pinkies up in the air as they took a swig of beer in a mock toast. The exception would be Montoya who would get respect because he has already proven big balls and racer credentials and Michael S. because his record would impress them as well as his dedication. The rest would be the brunt of countless jokes and get no respect at all.

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 12:29

Except whenever F1 is brought up, most of the NASCAR crowd rave about F1. The "oh they're just nancy boys" stuff is an act for the fans. Ive met NASCAR owners who knew about Formula 3

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 12:47

Maybe today, but not the way it used to be. That's how they treated me because I was a road racer and I was not even a rich pretty boy and I came from a stock car family. And that is how they treat the road racers who take rides away from some of them at WG and SP. I am not talking about an act for the fans. I am talking about what would go on when the fans couldn't see. This might not happen among the young Nascar drivers now though who are about the same age as the F1 drivers. They have not been around long enought to understand how they are supposed to act. But it would come from a lot of places, drivers, officials, and crew members. I doubt that many of the F1 drivers would get any respect at all and if they went on the track they would get the bumper real quick. Oops - damn, just one of them racin' deals.

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 13:23

Well I dont think Montoya or MS are going to race NASCAR in 1979

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 13:35

Originally posted by Jason
I don't care how talented JG maybe, the last thing F1 needs is a money chaser. There are plenty of young talented drivers, whose reasons for racing go beyond money. Give those guys a shot. Hopefully, people will stop asking him about F1, from now on.


Even James Hunt once said he raced primarily for the money. No I ain't denying he wasn't a true racer, he was, of course, but he DID say that he raced mainly for the money...so I guess Gordon isn't so wrong anyway. Besides, what about all the mediocre drivers that mosey along into F1 just by bringing sponsorship moolah?

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 13:41

Originally posted by Buford
Most of the F1 drivers would be laughed at in Nascar and treated like schoolgirls in skirts because that is how they are perceived. “After you my fine sir” they would sneer as they waved their handkerchiefs and raised their pinkies up in the air as they took a swig of beer in a mock toast. The exception would be Montoya who would get respect because he has already proven big balls and racer credentials and Michael S. because his record would impress them as well as his dedication. The rest would be the brunt of countless jokes and get no respect at all.



So now you know just how all the current NASCAR drivers think too?

To a man,every F1 reference from a NASCAR driver[that I have heard] has been totally positive.Really now,your bashing seems to have become quite unbalanced.

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 13:49

Originally posted by Buford
Most of the F1 drivers would be laughed at in Nascar and treated like schoolgirls in skirts because that is how they are perceived. “After you my fine sir” they would sneer as they waved their handkerchiefs and raised their pinkies up in the air as they took a swig of beer in a mock toast. The exception would be Montoya who would get respect because he has already proven big balls and racer credentials and Michael S. because his record would impress them as well as his dedication. The rest would be the brunt of countless jokes and get no respect at all.



Originally posted by Buford
Maybe today, but not the way it used to be. That's how they treated me because I was a road racer and I was not even a rich pretty boy and I came from a stock car family. And that is how they treat the road racers who take rides away from some of them at WG and SP. I am not talking about an act for the fans. I am talking about what would go on when the fans couldn't see. This might not happen among the young Nascar drivers now though who are about the same age as the F1 drivers. They have not been around long enought to understand how they are supposed to act. But it would come from a lot of places, drivers, officials, and crew members. I doubt that many of the F1 drivers would get any respect at all and if they went on the track they would get the bumper real quick. Oops - damn, just one of them racin' deals.



And your point?? Or are you just trying to give us another story from your racing career?

No-one here is talking about the good 'ole boys of nascar and im sure the current drivers would have more than enough respect for them. Plus, they'll bump and trade paint with anyone, road racing background or not.

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 13:55

Originally posted by Don Capps
Apparently it is a slow day and idle fingers.....


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Posted 20 April 2004 - 14:38

Originally posted by Mat


And your point?? Or are you just trying to give us another story from your racing career?

No-one here is talking about the good 'ole boys of nascar and im sure the current drivers would have more than enough respect for them. Plus, they'll bump and trade paint with anyone, road racing background or not.

:rolleyes: chill out. I for one like the stories. Better than reading the usual bs basher posts eh?
I think the Nascar guys would give the also rans of F1 alot of trouble. They might show the top drivers some respect but clowns like Ralf would get nothing. IMO.

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 14:49

Thought all the rednecks was gone from NASCAR nowdays ?

#41 Henri Greuter

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 15:03

Originally posted by pa
Well, much as I dislike NASCAR, the guy is entitled to make decisions on whatever criteria he wants. On top of the money, he probably gets to spend a fair bit of time at home, which wouldn't be possible if he drove in F1.



Good chance that his program, with over 30 races and more and as far as I know hardly any weekend off in the middel of the year is more hectic than that of a GP driver....
And...

if in the past he wasn't considered good enough for CART (I recall having read that was what he wanted initially but not enough money at hand to buy the ride....) then why should he all of a sudden go to F1 and risk his reputation?

Mind you, I really wished he had a decent crack in CART, learned to drive single seaters at all kinds of venues and then...
who knows how well he could have don in F1 if given a decent chance and how much impact F1 would have made because of his participation.
Given the fact he is a tough to beat driver on the two roadtracks within NASCAR too....

It's too late by now for Jeff I'm affraid, we can only dream of what could have been and for the sake of Genuine American interest in F1, a pity it never happened.


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Posted 20 April 2004 - 15:34

Originally posted by Vilenova
:rolleyes: chill out. I for one like the stories. Better than reading the usual bs basher posts eh?
I think the Nascar guys would give the also rans of F1 alot of trouble. They might show the top drivers some respect but clowns like Ralf would get nothing. IMO.


I think both series have some great talent, and almost right down the field as well.

My point about Buford's post is that i could retype it like this: "Most of the NASCAR drivers would be laughed at in F1 and treated like slobs in bbq aprons because that is how they are perceived. “After you my fellow redneck” they would sneer as they waved their pork chops and raised their budweiser up in the air. The exception would be Stewart who would get respect because he has already proven big balls and racer credentials and Jeff Gordon because his record would impress them as well as his dedication. The rest would be the brunt of countless jokes and get no respect at all."

Doesnt make it accurate, nor does it make it correct. I was objecting to the way Buford sprouts his opinion as fact, when its merely just his opinion and obviously based on days long gone. Going from what is actually said amongst todays NASCAR personnel, F1 is held in pretty high esteem. It seems the F1 mob still look down slightly at NASCAR, but i think its changing little by little.

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 15:46

I think JG uses the money line just to end the line of questioning. He must know that any real chance in F1 has passed him by.

if in the past he wasn't considered good enough for CART (I recall having read that was what he wanted initially but not enough money at hand to buy the ride....) then why should he all of a sudden go to F1 and risk his reputation?



Well hell, if you say you recall him not being good enough for cart, then it must be true, to hell with actual events.

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 20:10

Originally posted by Sandeep Banerjee


Even James Hunt once said he raced primarily for the money. No I ain't denying he wasn't a true racer, he was, of course, but he DID say that he raced mainly for the money...so I guess Gordon isn't so wrong anyway. Besides, what about all the mediocre drivers that mosey along into F1 just by bringing sponsorship moolah?

I'm not saying Gordon isn't a true racer because he's motivated by money. However, when you take his age into consideration, he really needs to have a passion for F1 in order to make the necessary changes that will help him to adapt to this completely new form of racing. Raw talent will only take you so far.

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 20:33

“After you my fellow redneck” they would sneer as they waved their pork chops and raised their budweiser up in the air. The exception would be Stewart who would get respect because he has already proven big balls and racer credentials and Jeff Gordon because his record would impress them as well as his dedication. The rest would be the brunt of countless jokes and get no respect at all."

Doesnt make it accurate, nor does it make it correct.



Actually, I think it does.

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 20:44

I've read several accounts of what Jeff Gordon has said in recent weeks on F1... it's been quite clear that he has no intention, and knows quite well that he chose his career path long ago and that such a change is not feasable at this point. He's too polite to tell reporters they're morons when they keep resurecting the idea, so he jokes about it or tries to give them an explainatory answer as to why it's not possible. Then, in the great National Enquirer tradition, racing "news" websites sensationalize it with headlines that tease it as a real deal, followed by a small quote taken out of context, etc. I cannot find all the sources where I've read more complete accounts, but here are a couple of snips...

MARTINSVILLE, Va. — Jeff Gordon said on Saturday that he is having discussions with Frank Williams, the owner of the Formula One car that he drove in an exhibition race last year.

“There is discussions going on with Frank Williams, because I’m going to the (Barcelona) Formula One race to watch it and I asked him if he could get me credentials,” Gordon said jokingly.

Gordon, who will start on the pole in today’s Nextel Cup event at Martinsville Speedway, said he has no plans to leave NASCAR on a part-time or full-time basis to drive for Williams.

“I say the same thing every time this question is brought to me,” he said. “I am very fortunate I got to drive that car last year. Had a blast.

“But my career is in Cup as far as a driver is concerned and I don’t plan on driving for my career toward anything different.”

Gordon disputed the suggestion that he could make more money in Formula One racing, where Michael Schumacher leads the series with a reported $45.5 million deal.

“I’ll make more money in Nextel Cup than I would if I went to Formula One,” Gordon said. “When you’re an established driver in this series with a top team and a top sponsor, the royalties from the endorsements and licensing is what it is.

“The only way you can exceed that is to be one of the top two or three drivers in Formula One.”

Gordon’s vacation didn’t make headlines the way Dale Earnhardt Jr.’s trip to Panama City did in the National Enquirer, but he wasn’t complaining.

Gordon started with a trip to the Bahamas, where he went on a shark dive. He spent some time in a casino playing blackjack, where he “won some money.”

He then went to Sunday’s final round of the Masters and was on the front row around the 18th green when Phil Mickelson sank the winning putt.

Then it was off to Hollywood to judge the Miss USA Pageant before coming to Martinsville to win the pole.


... and...

Gordon's Indy-Formula One exhibition run with Williams has kept his name in the Formula One rumor mill, even though Gordon, 32, said he's too old for such a drastic career change.

Gordon said he seriously considered a jump to Formula One in 1997 when the BAR team made an offer. "To me the real opportunity was 1997 when the BAR team said they wanted me to go run CART for a year and be testing in an F1 car and then come be a driver for BAR. That's when I made the decision: 'Am I going take this step to change my life?' Had it been Ferrari or BMW or Williams or someone like that, I don't know if there'd have been a question. But BAR was a startup team.

"I was on the phone a lot with Jacques Villenuves, who was involved with that team. But I decided to stay with Rick Hendrick and won two or three more championships. And now changing is not even an option.

"Driving the (F1) car last year, I could tell the speed was there, even in just the 10 or 12 laps I ran (on the Indy road course). But that was just the one track. And I was still several seconds off what the pole was. So I don't keep myself up at night thinking about it.

"Still, I do think about what it might have been like to have done it. Driving an F1 car last year was about as much fun as I think I'll ever have in a race car, it's just that spectacular."


As for those who poo-poo the idea that he could have succeeded in F1, he's won multiple championships in racing as diverse as sprint cars, driving cars with the same power and weight as F1 cars sideways on dirt and pavement, and NASCAR. He was piling up trophys in TQs before he was ten, conquered the major midget and sprint car championships in his teens, and dominated NASCAR for much of his twenties, particularly unbeatable on their few road course races. I don't worship the guy or anything (my dad does), but clearly the natural talent, physical abilities, balls, and determination that have made him successful where he's been would serve him just as well in F1. Contrast to the accepted route to F1, a couple years in karts, a couple years in underpowered spec series open wheelers, and if your rich daddy or sugar daddy can buy you a seat in F3 or F3000, and buy you enough publicity, you're touted as the next F1 superstar. :rolleyes:

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 20:48

Originally posted by Engineguy

As for those who poo-poo the idea that he could have succeeded in F1, he's won multiple championships in racing as diverse as sprint cars, driving cars with the same power and weight as F1 cars sideways on dirt and pavement, and NASCAR. He was piling up trophys in TQs before he was ten, conquered the major midget and sprint car championships in his teens, and dominated NASCAR for much of his twenties, particularly unbeatable on their few road course races. I don't worship the guy or anything (my dad does), but clearly the natural talent, physical abilities, balls, and determination that have made him successful where he's been would serve him just as well in F1. Contrast to the accepted route to F1, a couple years in karts, a couple years in underpowered spec series open wheelers, and if your rich daddy or sugar daddy can buy you a seat in F3 or F3000, and buy you enough publicity, you're touted as the next F1 superstar. :rolleyes:


I agree totally.

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 21:03

Originally posted by Don Capps
Apparently it is a slow day and idle fingers.....




LOL! :lol:



Well, I think there's a couple points people tend to miss.


1. Jeff is too old for this kind of move in his life and sport.


2.When one is interviewed and asked the same question over and over, you tend to use responses that take less time and generate fewer questions. "because I get paid more here" is a lot easier than explaining every last detail as to why the man won't be suiting up for an F1 grid any time soon.





On another subject(kinda) I think there are a few other candidates in Nascar these days that would make for an interesting test. Ryan Newman comes to mind. Tony Stewart(personal fave) would be great to see, but I fear his personality may not be what F1 or some of the fans are wanting :)

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 21:26

Honestly based on raw talent there are at least a half dozen guys in NASCAR who , given the proper level of support could do well in F1. Mabye not Schumacher well but definately in the top class.

Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart stand out the most in that group Perhaps Robby too

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 21:37

Originally posted by Jordan191
Honestly based on raw talent there are at least a half dozen guys in NASCAR who , given the proper level of support could do well in F1. Mabye not Schumacher well but definately in the top class.

Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart stand out the most in that group Perhaps Robby too


Tony Stewart's performance in this years 24 Hours Of Daytona proved to me that he could be quick in anything with 4 wheels. The guy is a natural racer if there ever was one.