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#1 Ventura

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 22:03

Toyota engine is most powerful
On the 2004 grid


Toyota's is the highest revving V10 engine in Formula One.

Engineers for rival teams reportedly carried out acoustic analysis of Cologne's RVX-04 at a recent grand prix and it showed up as therefore the most powerful.

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Such an analysis is accurate to within 250rpm, a source told F1 Racing magazine.

In Bahrain, scene of the last race three weeks ago, Olivier Panis finished 9th, just out of the points, and Brazilian team-mate Cristiano da Matta was tenth.


I guess that blows away all of HSJ's analysis work on engines! :p

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#2 Chevy II Nova

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 22:17

http://forums.atlasf...&threadid=68414

#3 Pioneer

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 00:00

Highest revving != most powerful

#4 zfh10

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 00:11

Originally posted by Ventura
Toyota engine is most powerful
On the 2004 grid

I don't believe that - thanks for the info but I reckon it is highly suspect.

#5 Ventura

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 00:15

so do I!

#6 Mobil1NSXR

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 00:43

As do I. The Honda revved to 19300 last year, the highest revving unit to end the year, but did anybody think it was the most powerful?

Other than Honda fans? nah.

#7 kouks

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 00:51

Did anyone else notice how fast the Ferrari would rev from 17k to 18k when they showed the telemetry in the last race? It definately seemed quicker than any of the others.

Got my attention anyway.

#8 HSJ

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 06:03

Originally posted by Ventura

I guess that blows away all of HSJ's analysis work on engines! :p


That's funny. Even before I opened this thread I looked at who started it, noticed it was a MS fan, figured this (or something similar) would be the "punch line". You didn't disappoint me. Now, please understand that all this is very, very vague so far. First of all they didn't publish all rpms, did they? At least not at f1racing.net, don't know about the F1 Racing magazine. Secondly, as someone commented not long ago, it depends on the exact nature of the rpms: do you get the max revs at the highest gear? For example current Merc engine does rev quite high actually, but only with the mid-gears, not the 6th gear. Overall the Merc engine lacks a LOT of power and doesn't seem any more powerful than the Renault for example, even though it does rev significantly higher than the Renault. It doesn't help them that they rev high at a point along the curve when it doesn't matter so much. So, what about Toyota? Do they get highest revs of all in 6th gear? Secondly, there's also the matter of how fast you get there, as pointed out by kouks.

The point is, to get the power you probably need a bit more than just the max rpms. I think those engineers who do the acoustic analyses do a bit more than just measure the rpms. I think they at least measure the rpms at each gear.

#9 Mrv

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 06:06

Wait till Imola. Then we will see who has the most powerful engine on the grid. ;)

#10 Chevy II Nova

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 06:32

Originally posted by Mobil1NSXR
As do I. The Honda revved to 19300 last year, the highest revving unit to end the year, but did anybody think it was the most powerful?

Other than Honda fans? nah.


Did it rev to 19,300 because a couple of the con rods had shot out of the block and decreased the parasitic drag on the crank?

#11 Adam2jz

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 06:33

I guess we should all stop believing f1 news articles of f1 engineers and just listen to the AtlasF1 BB members. :rolleyes:

#12 30ft penguin

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 07:43

Originally posted by Adam2jz
I guess we should all stop believing f1 news articles of f1 engineers and just listen to the AtlasF1 BB members. :rolleyes:

Well, even if the Toyota engine WAS the highest revving engine on the grid, this does not mean that it's the most powerful, and it certainly does not mean that it's the BEST. High max revs tell nothing about driveability or power at low revs, e.g. when accelerating out of a corner. It's just one aspect of an engine. Pretty much like stating that a computer processor is the "most powerful" because it has the highest clock frequency without paying attention to what the processor actually can DO.

#13 RedIsTheColour

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 08:03

Originally posted by HSJ
...noticed it was a MS fan...


You reap what you sow HSJ. Take a look at your own posting history: if it's red, it's bad in your world. What does the Toyota engine have to do with admiring or not admiring Schumacher?

#14 eoin

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 18:21

Originally posted by Chevy II Nova


Did it rev to 19,300 because a couple of the con rods had shot out of the block and decreased the parasitic drag on the crank?


Honda had a boost button for overtaking would give it 300-400rpm extra....probably had alot to do with it.

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Posted 26 April 2004 - 09:40

Originally posted by kouks
Did anyone else notice how fast the Ferrari would rev from 17k to 18k when they showed the telemetry in the last race? It definately seemed quicker than any of the others.

Got my attention anyway.


That's meaningless without gearing info. 3rd gear is different for different teams and at different circuits, for example. 17k to 18k could be accelerating from 170km/h to 180km/h or 85km/h to 90km/h. Obviously the latter would take a shorter time.