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[CJE]

Can someone give me a quick lesson in 'Appendix J'. This was the requirement for 'luggage space' in Group4/5 cars in the 60's and 70's as I recall. When did this requirement start/end, what exactly was the requirement, how was it enforced, etc. Thanks!

[Vitesse2]

Luggage space was defined as "such as to enable to carry without special difficulty a number of suitcases, sheltered from rain or dirt which varies according to the cylinder capacity of the engine equipping the car". The minimum dimensions required were 60x40x20cm and cars up to 2000cc were required to be able to carry one suitcase, cars over 2000cc two suitcases.

[Ray Bell]

...enforced, I have no doubt, by some official putting a 'suitcase' of the prescribed size into the luggage space of your friendly Lola GT or Ferrati GTO and slamming the lid on it...

[Muzza]

This is an interesting discussion, and hopefully other members will post pictures of some of the solutions developed my manufacturers to deal with these rules. Some of the ideas were quite ingenious. I recall the "luggage space" hanging at the very back of the Porsche 917 - easily seen on its 917K (Kurz) version.

I think Ferrari "forgot" a few times to respect these rules and, as usual , was given a friendly hand by scrutineers...

[VAR1016]

Originally posted by Muzza
I think Ferrari "forgot" a few times to respect these rules and, as usual , was given a friendly hand by scrutineers...

Well of course it is quite difficult to put a suitcase into a chassis plate...

PdeRL

[CJE]

Thanks guys! I do know that the 1966 Porsche 906 had an actual fiberglass tray resting on the rear frame tubes, just behind the transaxle. The 1969/70 917, however, appears to have only 'luggage space' - not a tray or compartment - one space on either side of the space-saver spare tire. I wonder if the FIA relaxed the rules a bit as time went on .......

[Ray Bell]

Equally as troubling to designers for a long time was the need to find somewhere to put a spare wheel... remember how they were often stored under oversized windscreens?

[HistoricMustang]

Not to stray too far from the original subject, but I remember seeing footage where the "spare" tire actually had to "touch" the ground during a pit stop.

Henry

[Macca]

I think 1970 was the last year when a spare had to be carried, because the 917K had it above the gearbox like the Ferrari P4, and the 512S had it in the nose, behind and between the twin oil coolers (whereas the 512M had a single oil cooler and a flatter nose).

I remember the McLaren M1 had the spare under the windscreen, don't know about any others though.



Paul