132 replies to this topic

[Allen Brown]

Originally posted by TonyKaye
Maybe this thread would be a suitable place to list the various web sites (like Darren Galpin’s, Phil Harms’ and Leif Snellman’s) which fill many of the gaps.

Despite having a vested interest, I would suggest we don't - at least not here. Let's honour the excellent work of the F1R on this thread and not get side-tracked into the alternatives.

Allen

[fw07c]

Just found this thread and have "A record of Grand Prix and voiturettes" Volumes
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
and
13 number 57

I will complete my list when I can.

[fw07c]

Here is my list of Black books with copy numbers

A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 1 copy no blank
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 2 copy no 254
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 3 copy no 234
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 4 copy no 35
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 5 copy no blank
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 6 copy no blank
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 7 copy no 33
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 8 copy no 197
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 9 copy no 108
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 10 copy no 63
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 11 copy no 11
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 12 copy no 100
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 13 copy no 57
Addenda blank

Also Formula 1 Fact Books
1989
Tasman and Formula 5000

and Formula 1 Record Book 1966

Together with Milestones behind Marques by Paul Sheldon and The Formula One Record Book by John Thompson with

Duncan Rabaghati and Paul Sheldon.

I obtained volume 13 from black books this year. I expext it has been suggested before, if all the record

books were in a database which could be updated when new information or corrections could be made to it thus

providing a comprehensive record.

I agree that Paul Sheldon deserves a medal for his sterling work

[Rob Ryder]

Update..

Volume 5: unnumbered
Volume 6: unnumbered
Volume 7: I wish ...
Volume 8: unnumbered
Volume 9: unnumbered
Volume 10: #287
Volume 11: #159
Volume 12: #121
Volume 13: #51

plus

A Record of Tasman Formula 1960-1969 : #21

Rob

[Stephen W]

My copy of Record of RAC British Hill Climb Championship is 122 of 250.



PS is Volume No 7 so rare because there was only a small print run or because of the period it covers being so intently studied and revered?

[Tim Murray]

Originally posted by Stephen W
PS is Volume No 7 so rare because there was only a small print run or because of the period it covers being so intently studied and revered?

All my numbered volumes are stated as being from a run of 500, including Vol 7, so it must be the latter, I suppose.

[grimeheel]

Here are mine:

Volume 1 not numbered
Volume 2 # 94
Volume 3 # 326
Volume 4 # 250
Volume 5 not numbered
Volume 6 not numbered
Volume 7 # 369
Volume 8 not numbered
Volume 9 not numbered
Volume 10 not numbered

1966 Record Book #169
Formula 1 & 2 Fact Book
Formula 3 Fact Book 1964-1966
Formula 5000 Fact Book Europe 1969 - 1971
Formula 5000 Fact Book Europe 1972 - 1977
Formula Two Fact Book 1968
Formula Two Fact Book 1969
Formula Two Fact Book 1970
Formula Two Fact Book 1971

[Peter Morley]

Mine are:

Volume 4 # 201/500
Volume 5 un-numbered
Volume 6 un-numbered
Volume 7 # 317/500
Volume 7, 2nd edition #18/50
Volume 8 # 227/500
Volume 9 # 273/500
Volume 10 # 326/500
Volume 11 un-numbered
Volume 12 # 138/300
Volume 13 # 44/300
Volume 14 # 18/50
Volume 15 # 18/50

Goodwood # 57/100
Crystal Palace # 93/150
British Hillclimb championship # 45/250

Others are:
F1 Record book 1966, # 128/400
F1 Fact book 1976-78
F3 1973-77
F3 1978-81
Formula Junior Fact book 1958-61
Formula Junior Fact book 1962-64
Formula Junior volume 4 (2000-2004) # 13/75
Formula Junior volume 5 (2005-2007) # 13/75
Formula Junior volume 6 (2008) # 13/100

Edited by Peter Morley, 18 January 2011 - 15:13.

[Alan Cox]

Vol 1 - Unnumbered
Vol 2 - 373
Vol 3 - 373
Vol 4 - 349
Vol 5 - Unnumbered
Vol 6 - Unnumbered
Vol 7 - 419
Vol 8 - 245
Vol 9 - 259
Vol 10 - 19

[Paul Sheldon]

Hi everyone. Guess who has No 1 ? And they were specially bound for me by a printer friend with slip cases. No 13 is just being done. Unfortunately, the books did not make either Duncan or myself millionaires. The only book I ever made any money on was one about walks round Bradford !!! Although my every day job involves writing distance learning packs which, thankfully do earn an honest crust but limit the time spent on proper things eg South American Formule Libre racing (that's for you Tony Kaye).
We realised that the only way to find information was through publishing what we had so that people knew what we were missing. This accounts for errors in the earlier books.
I don't know why Vol 7 sold out so fast and it's a shame because we have found out loads more information about this period. In particular all the South African F1 races and the Formule Libre ones right back to 1934. These were supplied by the late Peter Macintosh and, would you believe all hand written - including many lap charts ! Incredible. The recent effort has been in the Crystal Palace and Goodwood books with Richard Page and Robert Barker. The second edition Crystal Palace and second edition Goodwood ones are the first ones we have had printed professionally since Vol 2. We couldn't afford it and I printed and bound up virtually all of the BB's myself and I guess that, looking at them, you can deduce this !
We are beavering away at Formula 3 (500cc) and Formula Junior and I would like to have a serious go at British Formule Libre 1934 to the mid-fifties.
Thanks for all the nice things you said about the books and Betty sends her love
Paul Sheldon

[Alan Cox]

Thank goodness for people like Paul, Duncan, Betty and the entire BB team of contributors who do things for the love of a project. I'm sorry to learn, Paul, that they have not made you a millionaire, but, in all honesty, it does not come as surprising news!

[Tim Murray]

Originally posted by Alan Cox
Thank goodness for people like Paul, Duncan, Betty and the entire BB team of contributors who do things for the love of a project.

I absolutely agree. Many, many thanks to all for a wonderful series of reference books.

[Maurice J]

Vol 1 - Unnumbered
Vol 2 - :-(
Vol 3 - 75
Vol 4 - :-(
Vol 5 - Unnumbered
Vol 6 - Unnumbered
Vol 7 - 67
Vol 8 - 379
Vol 9 - 132
Vol 10 - Unnumbered
Vol 11 - Unnumbered
Vol 12 - 55
Vol 13 - 12

Maurice

Edited by Maurice J, 10 May 2009 - 07:10.

[fw07c]

Here is my list of Black books with copy numbers

A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 1 copy no blank
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 2 copy no 254
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 3 copy no 234
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 4 copy no 35
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 5 copy no blank
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 6 copy no blank
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 7 copy no 33
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 8 copy no 197
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 9 copy no 108
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 10 copy no 63
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 11 copy no 11
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 12 copy no 100
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 13 copy no 57
Addenda blank

Also Formula 1 Fact Books
1989
Tasman and Formula 5000

and Formula 1 Record Book 1966

Together with Milestones behind Marques by Paul Sheldon and The Formula One Record Book by John Thompson with

Duncan Rabaghati and Paul Sheldon.

I obtained volume 13 from black books this year. I expext it has been suggested before, if all the record

books were in a database which could be updated when new information or corrections could be made to it thus

providing a comprehensive record.

I agree that Paul Sheldon deserves a medal for his sterling work

Good news volumes 14 and 15 are now available from black books they cover the period from 1995 to 2008

Enjoy

[Gert]

Oops, I only seem to have found this topic now...


A Record Of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing
vol. 3 - #413 of 500
vol. 5 - unnumbered
vol. 6 - unnumbered
vol. 9 - unnumbered
vol. 10 - #349 of 500
vol. 11 - unnumbered
vol. 12 - #151 of 300
vol. 13 - #32 of 300

Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula Junior 1958-1961
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1947-1952
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1953-1955
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1956-1962
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1978-1981
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1982-1985
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1986-1988
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1989-1991
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1992-1995
Formula 1 Register Fact Book 1966
Formula 1 Register Fact Book 1989
Formula 1 Register Formula 5000 Fact Book 1973-1977 (Europe)
Formula 1 Register F1 & F2 Fact Book 1976-1978
Formula 1 Register F1 & F2 Fact Book 1979-1981
Formula 1 Register F1 & F2 Fact Book 1982-1984
Formula 1 Register F1 & F3000 Fact Book 1985-1987

[ensign14]

I can update me...

Volume 1: unnumbered
Volume 2: 3
Volume 3: 61
Volume 4: 53
Volume 5: unnumbered
Volume 6: unnumbered
Volume 7: 84 (sig looks normal to me)
Volume 7 reprint: 17
Volume 8: 48
Volume 9: 30
Volume 10: 79
Volume 11: 91
Volume 12: 56
Volume 13: 50
Volume 14: 17
Volume 15: 17
Addenda: unnumbered

I also have:
Record of Hillclimb Championship: 54 (of 250)
Record of South African F1: 94 (of 100 - phew)
1966 yearbook: 106 (of 400)
F5000 Fact Books
Record of Motor Racing at Goodwood: 68

[Stephen W]

I also have:
Record of Hillclimb Championship: 54 (of 250)

I have 122 (of 250) which sits adjacent to my PC at all times.

[Phil Mackley]

Not sure if anyone is still keeping track, but for the record here are my details.

All books are 'The Record of GP & Voiturette Racing':

1 - Un-numbered
2 - 243
3 - 118
4 - 397
5 - Un-numbered
6 - Un-numbered
7 - 297
8 - 361
9 - 488
10 - 263
11 - 112

[klemcoll]

Our books are:

Vol. 1 – no # – with addenda
Vol. 2 – #345 – with addendum
Vol. 3 – #277 – with addendum
Vol. 4 – #264
Vol. 5 – no #
Vol. 6 – no # – with addendum
Vol. 7 – #321 – with addendum
Vol. 8 – #277
Vol. 9 – #210
Vol. 10 – #321
Vol. 11 – no #
Vol. 12 – #123
Tasman/F5000 – no #
Addenda book – Vols. 1-8 – no#
RAC Hillclimbs 1947-94 – #52

[fbarrett]

Friends:

Thanks for educating me about these books. Have been collecting automotive books for many years but have only The Formula One Record Book. A quick check of Amazon (US) today revealed a few early volumes (1-5, I think) offered at prices of about $300 and up. Tom Warth (ex-Classic Motorbooks) evidently has none at present, so I wonder how many were ever sold in the U.S.

Frank

Edited by fbarrett, 31 March 2011 - 18:41.

[Tuboscocca]

Friends:

Thanks for educating me about these books. Have been collecting automotive books for many years but have only The Formula One Record Book. A quick check of Amazon (US) today revealed a few early volumes (1-5, I think) offered at prices of about $300 and up. Tom Warth (ex-Classic Motorbooks) evidently has none at present, so I wonder how many were ever sold in the U.S.

Frank

Hi Frank,

How did you live without them...
Here is the page with offerings of the Formulaoneregister (Vol 15 (not listed) is also available for 75 GBP brings it to 2008).The print run of Vol 14+15 is just 50 (fifty!!

http://www.formulaon...Order_Form.html

The 'shop' is run by Sarah, daughter of Duncan Rabagliatti (MISTER Formula Junior Register).

Best regards Michael

[David McKinney]

Great news for Black Book aficionados

The second edition of Vols 5, 6 and 7 are now available

details on http://www.formulaoneregister.com/

Edited by David McKinney, 06 June 2011 - 16:56.

[Peter Morley]

Thought I'd update my list - I'm only missing volume 3 if anyone comes across a copy please let me know:

Mine are:

Volume 1 un-numbered
Volume 2 # 350/500
Volume 4 # 201/500
Volume 5 un-numbered
Volume 5, 2nd edition # 21/70
Volume 6 un-numbered
Volume 6, 2nd edition # 21/70
Volume 7 # 317/500
Volume 7, 2nd edition # 18/50
Volume 8 # 227/500
Volume 9 # 273/500
Volume 10 # 326/500
Volume 11 un-numbered
Volume 12 # 138/300
Volume 13 # 44/300
Volume 14 # 18/50
Volume 15 # 18/50

Goodwood # 57/100
Crystal Palace # 93/150
British Hillclimb championship # 45/250
Historic 500cc Formula 3 1970-2011 # 33

Others are:
F1 Record book 1966, # 128/400
F1 Fact book 1976-78
F3 1973-77
F3 1978-81
Formula Junior Fact book 1958-61
Formula Junior Fact book 1962-64
Formula Junior volume 4 (2000-2004) # 13/75
Formula Junior volume 5 (2005-2007) # 13/75
Formula Junior volume 6 (2008) # 13/100
Formula Junior Volume 7 (2009-2010) # 13/70

Edited by Peter Morley, 08 September 2012 - 09:29.

[Tuboscocca]

here is my ''Collection'':

Milestones Behind The Marques

A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 1 – No Number
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 2 – Number 25
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 3 – Number 46
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 4 – Number 48
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 5 – No Number
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 6 – No Number
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 7 – Number 11
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 8 – Number 14
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 9 – Number 44
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 10 – Number 253
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 11 – Number 193
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 12 – Number 113
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 13 – Number 33
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 14 – Number 23
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 15 – Number 23

A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing, Addenda

Formula 1 Register Record Book 1966 – Number 113


Mainly bought from Betty, Sarah and Chaters.

Regards Michael

[CiroMenotti]

For anybody who is interested, Volumes 7, 6 5, and most recently Volume 4 of the "Black Books" have been re-published as a 2nd Edition with significant revisions.
Hurry while stocks last.....

http://www.formulaon...Order_Form.html

[RAP]

Volume 3 (1932-36) is now available in 2nd Edition. £75 + post
Order from
formulaoneregister@gmail.com
RAP

[dgs]

Here is my list of 'Black Book' with copy numbers.

 

A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing:

 

Volume 1

Volume 2  (39/500)    plus 2nd edition

Volume 3  (2nd edition)

Volume 4  (2nd edition)

Volume 5                  plus 2nd edition (4/70)

Volume 6  (2nd edition) (4/70)

Volume 7 ( 24/500)     plus 2nd edition (3/50)

Volume 8 ( 8/500)

Volume 9 ( 5/500)       plus 2nd edition

Volume 10 (94/500)

Volume 11 (213/300)  plus second (unnumbered edition)

Volume 12 (9/300)

Volume 13 (39/300)

Volume 14 (2/50)        plus 2nd edition

Volume 15 (2/50)        plus 2nd edition

Volume 16  (only just published)

 

Formula 1 Register Record Book

 

1966)  (10/400)

1989  (soft bound)

European Formule Libre (1929-1961)  (number 8)

 

Formula One Register Record Books

 

2000

2001

2002

2003

2004

2005

2006

2007

2008

 

Formula 1 Register Record Books (Formula 3)

 

(1947-1952)  hard bound

(1953-1954)  hard bound

(1955-1957)  hard bound

 

Formula 1 Register Fact Book (Formula 3)

 

(1956-1962)  soft bound

(1964-1966)  soft bound

(1967-1969)  soft bound

(1970-1972)  soft bound

(1973-1977)  soft bound

(1978-1981)  soft bound

(1982-1985)  soft bound

(1986-1988)  soft bound

(1989-1991)  soft bound

(1992-1995)  soft bound

 

Formula 1 Register Fact Book (Formula Junior)

 

(1958-1961)  soft bound

(1962-1964)  soft bound

 

Formula 1 Register Fact Book

 

Tasman Formula (1964-1970) Formula 5000 (1966-1971)

Formula 5000 (1972-1981)

 

A Record of Tasman Formula Racing (1960-1969) (11/100)

A Record of South African Formula 1 Races (1960-1975) (29/100)

A Record of The British Hill Climb Championship (1947-1994) (7/250)

A Record of Motor Racing at Goodwood (two volume) (59/100)

A Record of Motor Racing at Crystal Palace (two volume) (122/150)

 

Milestones behind the Marques

The Formula One Register Record Book (John Thompson)

 

I think I hold the record for the lowest numbered edition, after Paul Sheldon who mentioned he had number 1 of certain editions.

 

I have number 2 of Volume 14 & Volume 15 (first editions)

    

.

 

  

[nexfast]

Never noticed this thread and, even worse, never noticed some of the books are actually numbered!

 

Well, here are mine

 

Vol.5 - no number

Vol.6 - no number

Vol.7 - 35

Vol.8 - 149

Vol 9 - 151

 

European FormulaLibre - 48

 

Formula 1 and 2 Fact book 1976-78

Formula 1 and 2 Fact Book 1979-81

Formula 1 and 2 Fact Book  1982-84

Formula 5000 (Europe) Fact Book 1969-72

Formula 5000 (Europe) Fact Book 1973-77

 

Formula 1 Register Record Book 1966

 

Formula 1 Register Fact Book FJ 1958-61

Formula 1 Register Fact Book FJ 1962-64

Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1947-52

Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1953-55 

Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1956-62

Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1964-66

Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1967-69 

Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1970-72

Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1973-77

 

Formula 1 Register Draft Book 1965

Formula 1 Register Draft Book 1967

Formula 1 Register Draft Book 1968

Formula 1 Register Fact Book FJ 

[MartLgn]

I've only recently been able to procure all the extant volumes of the Grand Prix & Voiturette records, numbered as follows:

 

Vol 1 --

Vol 2 17

Vol 3 50

Vol 4 46

Vol 5--

Vol 6 --

Vol 7--58

Vol 8- 41

Vol 9 - 49

Vol 10 - 96

Vol - 96

Vol 11- 162

Vol 12 - 22

[Michael Ferner]

In order to keep those updated who trace all things motor racing from the cradle to the grave (hello Allen ), I should like to announce that serial numbers #2-157, #3-322, #4-188, #7-39, #8-121, #9-58, #10-35 and #11-26 as well as the 1966 Fact Book #221 are no longer with fines, they are now with me!

 

 

 

 

[Stephen W]

I recently acquired the new Two Volume version of "A History of the British Hillclimb Championship". Volume 1 covering 1947 to 2000 and Volume 2 covering 2001 to 2018. Neither Volume has the signed label in the front to tell me the Number and how many were printed.

[ensign14]

The print-on-demand ones do not have limitations, so no signatures.

[RAP]

Labelling and numbering stopped during the process of producing 2nd Editions. At least in part this was because of the very uncertain level of interest in  these so that we did not want to over-order printing, nor restrict ourselves by saying "one of xx copies".

 

The exception to this is the Historic FJ series where some drivers like to get copies numbered to match their race number and sales are much more predictable.

 

I should point out to those still using the 1st (1990s) editions that the 2nd (and even 3rd) editions that we have been producing over the last 10 years have a great deal of new information especially with missing grids and chassis numbers.

 

Richard Page

www.formulaoneregister.com