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[Barry Boor]

Many thanks to Peter Morley for bringing this to my notice.

It seems that the people at Scalextric have cottoned on to the fact that old racing cars really do have some appeal.

Just look at this...

http://www.scalextri...?NewsItemID=359

Maybe I will now be able to get some suitable tyres for my 45 mid 1950's cars!

[David Lawson]

Scalextric are also asking for suggestions for future classic releases so now is your opportunity to vote for that perfect miniature slot racing Lotus 25.

David

[T54]

Mold re-hash again?

Looks to me that Scalextric is just re-issueing under a different guise, the same old Airfix-MRRC cars produced by both companies from 1965 to 1998 on and off. Regardless, not so bad and the price is right thanks to 10-cent an hour labor rate in China...
But look at what OTHER small manufacturers have been doing in a labor of love, without waiting for Scalextric's permission and late arrival:

MMK Models from France



Proto-Slot Kits from France



Anni-Mini from France



And for the front-engine Indy car lovers, these wonderful examples from...Italy!



Also there is a new company in the works, of which a friend of mine is a party in partnership with Pendle Slot in UK and a French-based manufacturer, which is planning a whole range of finished body kits to use on Scalextric, Ninco, FLY and other chassis plus their own for open-wheel cars. We are talking Lotus XI, Lotus 19, Lotus 49 as well as front-engined F1 and mid-1950's sports cars.
By the way, I am not here to actually advertise these products, but I would like to point out that Electric Dreams, run by a friend called Jack Marteville in California, offers a straight 10% off to any Atlas Vintage Forum subscriber.
Regards,

T54

[Peter Morley]

Originally posted by T54
Mold re-hash again?

Looks to me that Scalextric is just re-issueing under a different guise, the same old Airfix-MRRC cars produced by both companies from 1965 to 1998 on and off. Regardless, not so bad and the price is right thanks to 10-cent an hour labor rate in China...

As you know there is (and never was) no connection between Scalextric & Airfix/MRRC.

Apparently these will be completely new models, even the Vanwall is new not the original Scalextric one warmed over.

The modern levels of detailing make the idea very promising (totally different to all the artisanal resin type products that have been supporting the market recently).

Of course they will no doubt succumb to the usual Scalextric mistake of getting 90% right and then screwing up on some annoying detail (perhaps they are maintaining the English tradition of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, despite shipping the construction off to a more developed country).

Of course as a Fly distributor I shouldn't be defending them - please check www.lescars.com everyone!!
But Fly aren't likely to make this type of car for sometime, so I think it is good news................

Can I ask everyone to suggest that Scalextric add a B-type Connaught to this new range - I've already offered ours up for measurement & photographing!!

[JtP]

Originally posted by David Lawson
Scalextric are also asking for suggestions for future classic releases so now is your opportunity to vote for that perfect miniature slot racing Lotus 25.

David

Monogram produced a Lotus 25/33 in the mid 60s. Really a 33 as it had wide tyres, but with high exhausts of the early Climax. It was great and could beat everything until my mate bought a Monogram GT40 which had a bigger motor. The Lotus had a smaller motor to get it inside the single seater body. It could still catch the GT40 except for the straight though and quite the nicest slot car ever.

[dretceterini]

The limited series resin cars are very nice, but they also cost nearly 3 times as much as a Fly or Scalextric.

[David Lawson]

Originally posted by dretceterini
The limited series resin cars are very nice, but they also cost nearly 3 times as much as a Fly or Scalextric.

I agree, the cars shown in T54's post are limited run kits and RTR's that are considerably more expensive and a lot of the products don't run reliably. The Scalextric cars are driveable and affordable to all.

David

[T54]

I agree, the cars shown in T54's post are limited run kits and RTR's that are considerably more expensive and a lot of the products don't run reliably. The Scalextric cars are driveable and affordable to all.

More expensive, they are. But the factory-built RTR my MMK and Slot-Indy, according to all the online and printed reviews, run generally BETTER and have LESS quality-control problems than the high-production offerings by Scalextric, Carrera, Ninco and especially Fly.

Besides they represent models unlikely to be manufactured by the large companies. So it's a choice one has to make: paying more for a quality hand-built or not having that car at all...
Another interesting bit is that according to several specialist distributors in UK, the "hot" market at this time is for the hand-built models while the large production models stay on the shelf. In USA, Carrera, Fly and Scalextric sales are substantially down from previous years, while Ninco switched distributor because of rather poor sales. Of course the Euro value has something to do with it.
Peter could tell us what it is like in Belgium in this regard?
Regards,

T54

[Peter Morley]

Originally posted by T54


Another interesting bit is that according to several specialist distributors in UK, the "hot" market at this time is for the hand-built models while the large production models stay on the shelf. In USA, Carrera, Fly and Scalextric sales are substantially down from previous years, while Ninco switched distributor because of rather poor sales. Of course the Euro value has something to do with it.
Peter could tell us what it is like in Belgium in this regard?
Regards,

T54

OK.

The market here for the (expensive) hand built (or kit) models is virtually zero (e.g. only one shop stocks them).
People here are happy to pay the best quality items (that is why there are so many Mercedes & BMWs around etc), however they aren't prepared to pay a high price for second rate goods.
I have seen 1 or 2 very nice resin slot cars - I was almost tempted to buy a lovely long tail 917 myself, but in the end couldn't reconcile the price.
BUT most of them lack fine detail - the carburettor details on the 200 quid McLaren model aren't worthy of a 2 quid model let alone a 200 pound one, and they tend to be very heavy and fragile, so you can't use them.
Effectively they are expensive static models so you might as well buy a better made static model.

Resin is perfect for people who want (and are capable) to make models themselves, but it doesn't lend itself to commercial production.

Slot car sales here have slowed down slightly (but nothing like as much as things like real car sales) but people still buy the good models. But that is a reflection on the economy, not the models - anyone with money, or the ability to borrow, is buying property. Most other sectors have slown down - a friend in the food trade said that had slowed down, and when people stop buying food that is a problem!!

Of course euro problems don't affect us (UK readers might like to note), Fly price doesn't change with the actions of war mongering presidents, they are made in Europe.

The US does not have a big 1/32nd market (despite what their former distributor told a major company when he was selling them his business! Actually to be fair the figure he put on the US market was only 12 times my turnover, and Belgium is somewhat smaller!) so a change in their sales patterns is not a very significant factor in overall sales.

Ninco sales are non-existant, probably due to their wonderful distributor but also because of their current range.

Scalextric sales are good, but vary with the model.
e.g. initial GT40 sales were great, but after seeing the Fly one the customers realised how wrong it is.
It is so long since we have had Nascar on TV that no one is waiting for the new Nascars, and as with the Italian Job, the Starsky & Hutch cars will come out 6 months after the film - that sort of thing halves their sales.

Carrera sets are selling really well - you get the best track for a bargain price, but some of the cars are hard to sell (at any price), probably because they lack the detail and finish that is expected these days.

Fly are selling pretty well (I doubt I still have 85% of the market - as calculated by the former SCX distirbutor - but the market is pretty much Scalextric & Fly) - it is really hard to get enough of some models, classic cars like the BMW CSls, Ferrari Daytonas, any Gulf cars, all sell out quickly as do a lot of the modern cars (the first Alfa Romeo 147s disappeared, you can't find a Viper or Porsche 911 GT1 98 anywhere) - I receive a huge number of requests for some models and just have to explain to the people that they can't afford to wait to buy a particular Fly car (if they wait for another colour they will get the model but not the colour scheme).

Of course globally Fly are different to Scalextric (who also have huge 'supermarket' sales) - a Scalextric limited edition is 5,000 pieces, that is a normal run for some Fly cars (the limited Goodwood set with 3 dirty cars, that they already had, was a larger run than some of the most popular normal Fly cars).

Since Fly don't repeat models, they only make one production run, so they will always run out.
An old Fly car in a shop might be around 6 months old (very rare for something to stay a year), whereas there are many Scalextric cars that have been around for several years.

[dretceterini]

T54 is the most knowledgeable person in the world when it comes to old slot cars. He even has a business of selling them, and somehow, seems to find the few people who are willing, and in the position to pay thousands of dollars for some of them....but the fact that there are some people out there who can afford to buy what they want, I don't think it has anything to do with the market in general.

I see the market similar to die-cast vs resin or white metal limited series models. Spark and other die casts can be purchased for around $30. The limited series built ups are generally around $150 to $200. I think most collector's view would be "sure, they are better, but 5 times better?"

Fly and Scalextric cars in excellent to new condition can often be found on e-bay for $25-$35 including shipping from the dealer. I just think it's rather difficult for the "average" person to justify having to pay around $150 for a limited series resin kit.

I realize that there will always be some cars that are only made in limited series form, due to their relative obscurity, but for most people, justifying $150 or more for what is basically a toy, is difficult.

[Peter Morley]

Originally posted by dretceterini

I see the market similar to die-cast vs resin or white metal limited series models. Spark and other die casts can be purchased for around $30. The limited series built ups are generally around $150 to $200. I think most collector's view would be "sure, they are better, but 5 times better?"

Fly and Scalextric cars in excellent to new condition can often be found on e-bay for $25-$35 including shipping from the dealer. I just think it's rather difficult for the "average" person to justify having to pay around $150 for a limited series resin kit.

I realize that there will always be some cars that are only made in limited series form, due to their relative obscurity, but for most people, justifying $150 or more for what is basically a toy, is difficult.

Static models are a nightmare these days, there are loads of models being sold to the public at less than their original trade price (thanks basically to some distributors shortsightedness).
Some of these are amazing models, recently I saw some lovely 1/18th scale Lola T70s that should have sold at 135 pounds being sold for 45 pounds. No limited production hand made model can hope to compete with what are relatively mass produced models.

As you say, there will always be people who are willing to pay a high price for an exceptional item, but that number is very limited - some of the models made by people like Wingrove & Conti are extremely expensive but they only intend selling a very limited number of them. Whereas CMC produce models that have a similar level of detail for a very reasonable price and they sell 1,000s of them.

Similar with resin models, there is a small market of people who will buy them. But a huge number will buy them at a lower price and economies of scale mean the cheaper model can be far better detailed etc.

And what happens when someone eventually produces a 'cheap' injection moulded version of these resin model, suddenly it doesn't look like such a good buy - the people who buy these models tend to be able to afford to write off such sums of money, but the average collector likes to know he isn't going to see his investment disappear.

I personally have a certain amount of knowledge of expensive slot cars, having had a rather large collection of Scalextric cars (around 2,000 different ones!) including several of the rather pricey Bugattis (the normal version being worth around 2,500 pounds and the rarer version somewhat more!). Unfortunately a house (& BRM V8 engine) prompted the sale of my collection!

[Keir]

Barry,
Interesting stuff. Not much of a market for these cars in the USA, but if one is nostagic enough, who knows??

[T54]

Interesting stuff. Not much of a market for these cars in the USA, but if one is nostagic enough, who knows??

Enough of a market to provide a pretty decent living for my family and I, plus maintening the odd full-size racing cars... but Peter, I guess Coventry-Climax FPF engines are less expensive than Hall & Hall's BRM reproductions.

Of course the VINTAGE slot car market is booming and very lucrative. See E-Pay prices to get an idea... The present online record for a 1960's slot car is USD 12600.00 paid in 2002 for a scarce mint and sealed kit of the Cox Chaparral 2E. And there are many examples of over $5K trades for especially desirable models. A fairly common kit as shown below rarely goes for under a grand.



Regards,

T54

[Keir]

Now, is anyone interested in buying some circa 1991 comic books??

[T54]

Apparently, not many...

[Keir]

Yeah, It's a truly awful market.

..............and there are more thieves than you would imagine.

......but back to slots.

There was a kit I built in the 60's that had a Ferrari 330 and a Ford GT40 as part of the same chassis. You would just switch the bodies around.

Anyone seen anything like that today??

[Peter Morley]

Originally posted by T54

Enough of a market to provide a pretty decent living for my family and I, plus maintening the odd full-size racing cars... but Peter, I guess Coventry-Climax FPF engines are less expensive than Hall & Hall's BRM reproductions.

New slot cars definitely doesn't provide enough of a living to support my full-size cars for, they have to be funded in other ways (mainly selling other cars).

My BRM V8 is original not one of their new ones (which I think still use original cylinder heads of which they still have some) - but it probably isn't any dearer than a new one.

I can fit a Climax in the car (it ran with one in 1964), unfortunately it would be an FWMV - which Sid Hoole has just started reproducing, at I suspect somewhat higher cost than a new H&H BRM.
Mind you I have just got photos of Scirocco testing a car with an FPF in it.............

FPFs are slightly more affordable - initial cost is about half and the running costs are lower (just found out that V8 rebuild costs & mileage are similar to a DFV!!!), but anything with a proper race engine costs a lot (e.g. not like my old twin-cam powered Brabham which just got dusted down every now and then and went off to win the race).

[Peter Morley]

Originally posted by Keir
Yeah, It's a truly awful market.

..............and there are more thieves than you would imagine.

......but back to slots.

There was a kit I built in the 60's that had a Ferrari 330 and a Ford GT40 as part of the same chassis. You would just switch the bodies around.

Anyone seen anything like that today??

I find most dealers are enthusaists themselves, and usually they are extremely knowledgeable, but I do try to only work with the more specialist dealers who can offer the backup that the customer needs.
I'm sure there are problems with the cut-price people etc, since cutting prices means losing (or making far less) money which is not a good business practice, and usually the first thing to cut back on is service.

Pactra made a 1/32nd scale 2 body kit of those two cars.
Monogram made a 1/24th scale (and possibly 1/32nd?) 2 body kit of those (more likely you had this than the Pactra).

T54 should be able to help you find them - or look on Ebay they will turn up occasionally.

[dretceterini]

In spite of the success T54 has with buying and selling antique slot cars, sorry, but I think anyone who would pay thousands for a slot car is either nuts or has way too much money to spend.

[Peter Morley]

Originally posted by dretceterini
In spite of the success T54 has with buying and selling antique slot cars, sorry, but I think anyone who would pay thousands for a slot car is either nuts or has way too much money to spend.

It's the same as with real cars (or antiques, or paintings, etc etc).
Basically a question of supply and demand - of the 600 Scalextric Bugattis about 10% are still around and there are 100s of collectors who would like one.

The big difference with slot cars is it is very expensive to copy them, tooling costs are around 50,000 pounds, so you can't just make one (you can make resin copies very cheap but that isn't the same), whereas if you spend around 50,000 pounds on a Ferrari 250 PF you can turn a 50,000 pound car into something that is almost identical to a multi-million pound GTO.

[T54]

..............and there are more thieves than you would imagine.

Best is simply to check their feedback rating on E-Pay. A seller with more than one negative over 1000 positive is a low risk. One with 5 negative over 200 positive is to beware a bit more. Everything is risky at your local used car lot.

There was a kit I built in the 60's that had a Ferrari 330 and a Ford GT40 as part of the same chassis. You would just switch the bodies around.

Two companies did this: Monogram and Competition.
Monogram did 4 kits in nicely illustrated boxes, with a combination of one chassis and two rather crude, but nicely painted, vacuum formed bodies of a Chaparral 2 and Shelby GT350, a 330P/LM and a GT40 roadster, a 365P2 and a GT40 and a Cobra Daytona 7-liter (the one that was eventually finished in the 1990's) and a Lola T70. None of these kits are rare and go on E-Pay all the time for about $250.00.

Competition was a sub-brand of Pactra and produced a really ugly vacuum formed dark blue GT40 car with a brass-tube and plate chassis, with a red 365P2 body next to it and a bottle of paint. The whole mess sold in a square box with rather poor graphics. These are also fairly common and sell in the $120.00 to $150.00 range.

In spite of the success T54 has with buying and selling antique slot cars, sorry, but I think anyone who would pay thousands for a slot car is either nuts or has way too much money to spend.

An acquaintance of mine just bought the 1960 Le Mans-winning Ferrari TR for a mere $10 mil. He is probably nuts too.
In the meantime, a gentleman in Beverly Hills has spent over $2-million since 1998 to acquire the world's finest collection of prime 1960's slot racing cars and paraphanelia. This after he sold his collection of baseball cards for $1 million cash, after holding on his $50K investment for about 12 years. He is probably nuts too.
In 1975, I began collecting old Dinky Toys and other older die-cast cars and amassed a collection of about 3000 cars until 1990, when after spending $50K over 15 years, I sold the lot for $500K cash. I must be nuts too.
The difference here, Detceterini, is that discernement in what is collectible and what is not makes some nuts rich and some nuts poor.
In this case, proper hobby education pays a lot more than social studies.
Kind regards,

T54

[dretceterini]

I have been a collector, importer, and a dealer too....but there comes a point when the stuff is just too expensive, unless you are so wealthy that you simply have money to burn.

I made money in miniature cars too....but that was before a big part of the market went away simply due exchange rates....and as Peter says, a great deal of the interest that existed 15 years ago has simply gone away, for whatever reason. There was often times I sold 50 of a particular hand made model at $75 or so....but when you have to sell the same thing today for $300, not many are interested.

I also see a major difference between real and toy cars. You can do something with a real car. A toy just sits on the shelf, collecting dust.

The real car market hit a peak circa 1990, and cars like Ferrari Daytonas became worth about 1/3 of the value that they reached at the peak. IMO, too risky for all but the very rich. Real estate seems to me to be a much better investment. Just 2 months ago, there were only 270 homes for sale in Santa Barabara county, California. Only 17% were under 1 million. That same 1 million dollar home could have been purchased just 20 years ago for $200,000....

[T54]

I also see a major difference between real and toy cars. You can do something with a real car. A toy just sits on the shelf, collecting dust.

Not mine.

The real car market hit a peak circa 1990, and cars like Ferrari Daytonas became worth about 1/3 of the value that they reached at the peak. IMO, too risky for all but the very rich.

You obviously have net been to auctions lately. The market is right back where it was for the GOOD cars. I have no use for a $1M Daytona, and only idiots or foolish speculators paid that kind of money. And yes, it is a rich man's game.

Real estate seems to me to be a much better investment. Just 2 months ago, there were only 270 homes for sale in Santa Barabara county, California. Only 17% were under 1 million. That same 1 million dollar home could have been purchased just 20 years ago for $200,000....

You can't drive a house. And as with some old cars, values have gone beyond hindsight. I remember the stupid 1982 day in my life when I sold my 550 for only $50K, but it was a lot of money at the time. I also remember buying a house in 1977 for $75K and selling it in 1989 for $400K. But I never thought a minute about value rises when I bought it. I just needed a place to live, and apparently , more want to live where I do than in North Dakota...

To come back to the subject of this thread, the hand-built cars of today have little in common with the crude things of yesteryear. A MMK car is not a Manou-Le-Mans, and we have lots of customers who prefer investing in MMK cars rather than purchasing 3 Scalextric for the same money. At the same time we are talking small quantities, like 250 for each model, so yes indeed, there is a limit to the number of people willing or able.
Regards,

T54

[Frank S]

So, what do you think, Brigadier? Is it about time to banish this thread to some esoteric locus to which I have no access, perhaps alongside "Automatic vs. Manual Shift"?

[dretceterini]

I also see a major difference between real and toy cars. You can do something with a real car. A toy just sits on the shelf, collecting dust.

Not mine.



I was taking mainly of vintage slot cars, and not current hand mades. I really can't see people spending thousands for a slot car, then actually using them. It seems to me that toys, of any kind, loose a substantial amount of their value if not mint or mint and boxed.

As to things like the hand carved wood Manou/R.D.Marmande models, although crude, I see them as charming works of art....and the vast majority of the ones I have and the ones I've sold I've paid $10 or less each....somewhat less than the $3000 or so people have paid for a Scalextric Bugatti

[Peter Morley]

Originally posted by dretceterini
I also see a major difference between real and toy cars. You can do something with a real car. A toy just sits on the shelf, collecting dust.

Not mine.



I was taking mainly of vintage slot cars, and not current hand mades. I really can't see people spending thousands for a slot car, then actually using them. It seems to me that toys, of any kind, loose a substantial amount of their value if not mint or mint and boxed.

As to things like the hand carved wood Manou/R.D.Marmande models, although crude, I see them as charming works of art....and the vast majority of the ones I have and the ones I've sold I've paid $10 or less each....somewhat less than the $3000 or so people have paid for a Scalextric Bugatti

One advantage toys have over real cars is their size, when you are talking about valuable items it is much easier to send a toy to another part of the world (and customs tend not to value them highly).

Likewise real cars are easier to move than property - property value can go down and you can't move your house to the up and coming area!

(Anyway, increasing property prices are only relevant if you want to move to a cheaper area, but for most people the value of a house is as somewhere to live, everywhere else in the vicinity tends to increase at a similar rate).

Since people have slowly realised that the true value of a share is that of the paper they are printed on, they have started looking at alternative ways of investing their money, consequently a lot of the rarer collectable items have become far more sought after (including historic race cars),

Jukeboxes have considerably increased in value recently, for 10,000 dollars you can have a decoration that does something (plays records badly!), that you can always sell again - it is more interesting than shares.

A friend deals in very early tin-toys, these are almost invariably unique and in amazing condition for their age (±100 years), he has no shortage of customers for such items - but you only need 1 or 2 customers for a unique item - and you don't get much for 10's of 1,000s of dollars from him!

I used to play with my $3,000 (+) Bugatti - it drove quite nicely, but wasn't as good as the $750 Auto-Union - one reason it is so rare (no one bought them when they were new).
I even used my race-tuned one, which is a different ketle of fish, it is at least 10 times as rare! (At Goodwood the guy I sold it to said he wished he had realised how rare it was because he has still not found another one, and he has a customer prepared to pay plenty for one).

A lot of people think what we pay for old cars is crazy - why pay 50,000 for a Dino that is slower, more cramped, less reliable, less safe, less economical than a modern car costing a fraction of the price?

What people do is their own choice, personally I think people who go fishing are mad but I don't tell them they are wasting money on their expensive equipment.

None of this gets us any closer to the news that Hornby are making an effort to produce working models of the kinds of cars the people on this forum like, and for a reasonable price.
And if enough of us ask them to produce the B-type Connaught, I can have a better model of it than the crappy resin one I have (or teh converted Merit kit).
And then we can ask for Lancia D-50s, Ferrari Supersqualos etc etc

[Breadmaster]

ok then o'experts.....

What is the fastest (laptime) slotcar ever then....one of these fancy modern magratrac fellas?

and i suppose we have to take into consideration modified/unmodified.....

[dretceterini]

I don't have any idea what the record is for a true scale model slotcar (an accurate miniature of a real car), but the record for a King track of 155 feet, with a slot "car" (I use the word car lightly, as they have no front wheels, and side and rear airdams made of thin plastic that fold down in the breeze that would be a scale 8 feet high) is just over 1.5 seconds...

[Breadmaster]

i meant a car really...ahem.

ok slight re-phrase.... a proper car out of it's packet, round a proper track (mebbe under the dining room table in places).....

[dretceterini]

I would guess a scale 1/32nd car by Fly or similar would take around 12 seconds on a King track. A car produced by PdL (T54) in 1/24th that is scale, but with a more "raceworthy" chassis and motor would probibly take somewhere between 7 and 8 seconds.

[T54]

Actually it's a bit faster. We lap a "King" track (no traction magnets of course) with a proper-looking 1/24 scale TSRF car in 6.5 seconds. It would have been a world record in...1968. But speed is not what we care about. We care about really cool-looking cars doing it:




With a TSRF 1/32 scale with Scalextric bodies, we go twice as fast as the best of Scalextric cars with much smoother, nicer handling cars, at a cost of about two Scalex cars and they look great too .

None of those wing-car blobs.
Regards,

T54

[Breadmaster]

excuse my ignorance.......but what's a "king" track?

cheers!

[T54]

A "King" track has been the world's standard for commercial electric model car racing racing tracks since 1964, when AMF issued a whole line of pre-fab tracks in the USA. At one time there were more than 5000 raceways in the USA, with nearly 1000 of these tracks. Most professional racing since 1966 has been held on "King" tracks.
The American Blue King track is 155' and has 8 turns including a highly banked turn at the end of its longest straightaway, plus a 300-degree "donut".
Lately, "King" tracks have been built in Sweden and Canada by Hasse Nilsson and Steve Ogilvie as the old AMF tracks are retired from age.
King tracks are many and all over the world today, from USA to Japan to Australia to Sweden to South America, but of course not in numbers like in the 1960's.

The current world record for a lap is 1.548" and is held by JARI PORTTINEN of Finland. That's pretty fast, averaging over 80MPH. The type of cars used to perform these incredible speeds are as advanced as a modern F1 today, using sophisticated electronic controllers, tiny but extremely powerful DC motors using up to 16 magnets and barely measurable resistance, producing top speeds of over 120MPH and acceleration from standstill unmatched by any vehicle on earth.
Unfortunately, such cars look rather awful , so we prefer the slower pace of our own electric MODEL racing cars and the enjoyment of close racing nonetheless, and discourage the use of these expensive and extreme machines. This makes a good compromise between the Scalextric or other toys and serious pro-racing machines, offering superior technology and keeping proper appearance with almost the same cost as home racing machinery. We recommend the use of the German Carrera track, vastly superior to the antiquated Scalextric design and its clones.
Regards,

T54

[Nordic1]

Does anyone have any idea what value, if any 'roar' the scalextric 45rpm record from the sixties has.

It was recorded by Stanley Schofield Productions who also made TT records that featured Murry Walker.

Side 1 has 2 F1 races and side 2 a couple of TT races.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

[paulhooft]

Scalextric has promised to made a 1961 1 1/2 litre shark nose Ferrari 156 Phil Hill and a 2 1/2 litre Cooper Climax T53 Jack Brabham,
to go together with there stunning Maserati 25oF's and Vanwall's
I only wonder why they did not made a 2 1/2 litre Ferrari Dino...

The Spanish Cartrix firm has made a Nice Fangio Mercedes W196 presented in a tin box together with a nice Towel..
better a thing to take of dust...
with Grand Prix cars on it...
and a leaflet that promised a load of cars:

Alfa Romeo 158/159,
Talbot Lago
BRM T25
Lancia D50!!
Gordini T32 (8 cylinder)
Ferrai 555
and a:
Maserati 250 F
and:
Vanwall 1958

Paul

[paulhooft]

Does anyone have any idea what value, if any 'roar' the scalextric 45rpm record from the sixties has.

It was recorded by Stanley Schofield Productions who also made TT records that featured Murry Walker.

Side 1 has 2 F1 races and side 2 a couple of TT races.

Any help would be very much appreciated.


No, but I love to hear the sounds!

I saw one when in a small town in Northern France, some time ago
However the shop was closed, and I had to go home to the Netherlands that day
Paul

[paulhooft]

For those how like to build a Delage1500 , Bugatti type 35b, Miller front wheel drive! or Rear wheel drive, or some classic 1920-30s Alfa Romeos:



http://site.voila.fr/vintageslotcars
It is a lot of work, but you can if handy, nake a nice and Unique model from the kits.

Paul Hooft

[hhh]

T54, I still have my COX Ferrari Dino 1/24 set from probably 1965/6, with the cast chassis, sidewinder motor and both an open body and spyder, with the original box and instructions. What would that be worth today??

Becasue of this thread, I dug up my old slot racing boxes and found my K&B Pontiac Tempest GTO 1/32, the Monogram Lotus 33 (with the fitting instructions!) on which I fitted a Vauxhall Viva bodyshell with a clip, so I could use it in 2 classes.
Also a Revell Cobra 1/32 for which I made a Cobra Daytona Coupe shell, and the COX GT40, which could be chaged for a Porsche 904 shell........

All great stuff; good to see that almost 40 years later we still haven't chaged, apart from the fact that I can now race most of these cars in real!!!! (that is 1/1)

[Mark A]

Scalextric have also announced that this year they will produce

Cooper T53

Ferrari 156

[Nordic1]

No, but I love to hear the sounds!

So would I, but I no longer have a record player!.

However I have found this!

http://www.essenhaitch.co.uk/roar.htm

[T54]

T54, I still have my COX Ferrari Dino 1/24 set from probably 1965/6, with the cast chassis, sidewinder motor and both an open body and spyder, with the original box and instructions. What would that be worth today??

Vintage slot cars are a funny market. If your Dinos (the kit issued in late 1966) have been assembled, the set is worth only 1/3rd or less depending on quality of assembly, of the value of the untouched kit. This is also true of any other kit you may have, the monogram Lotus being another such example.



Prices for a Dino kit range from $250.00 for a kit with fair box and some open parts bubbles to $600.00 or above for a pristine box (with the box top not caving) with untouched contents. Assembled cars can be had for $75.00 to $150.00 for a perfectly assembled unit.
For the nostalgics, there is this book:



Regards,

T54

[Alan Cox]

At Stoneleigh I discovered that Revell/Monogram have just issued one of the '63 Briggs Cunningham Lightweight E-types, the 9th place Richards/Grossman car (no 15), as well as the '64 Lindner/Knocker low-drag version for £29.95. It was selling well to static, as well as slot collectors, one dealer told me. The bodies of both are fabulous for slot-racers, although the low-drag car has excessive ground clearance. a Mk 2 Lotus Cortina is also on the cards for future release.

[T54]

Revellogram as it is familiarly called, have embarked in a very good program between their US and German branches. The US side has produced the Cobra Daytona, various Corvette Grand Sport and the Greenwood Vette. They are now producing the March-Chevy GTP. The Germans ahve produced the Porsche 550RS (not too accurate but nice looking), the NSU Prinz and now the E-Types (2 so far). The price is reasonable, the detail excellent but the general accuracy COULD be better. Regardless, welcome additions!

[Peter Morley]

Originally posted by Nordic1
Does anyone have any idea what value, if any 'roar' the scalextric 45rpm record from the sixties has.

It was recorded by Stanley Schofield Productions who also made TT records that featured Murry Walker.

Side 1 has 2 F1 races and side 2 a couple of TT races.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Around 15 pounds - possibly a bit more if it is in exceptional condition.
It is relatively common (I've still got a couple left from when I sold my (= the) whole Scalextric collection).

[Alan Cox]

I have just spotted this recent release from Scalextric. A rather nice subject, and it includes the crudely taped-over headlamp covers that were a feature of the car at Kyalami.
http://www.scalextri...i-330-p4-c3098/

PS Not sure why this thread has not been diverted to the Racing Collactables section...

[LOLE]

SCALEXTRIC exhibition 11-05-2009 Barcelona


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