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#1 Megatron

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Posted 21 June 2004 - 21:25

I remember Derek Daly winning Sebring and also spending some time in the second car as well, so technically he finished first and second. This would never happen now with the strict rules regarding entry and how long/how many drivers in most forms of sports car racing, but is this the only time something like this happened?

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#2 917

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Posted 21 June 2004 - 22:47

Nürburgring 24 hour race 2004:

1. Dirk Müller / Jörg Müller / Hans-Joachim Stuck / Pedro Lamy (BMW M3 GTR #42)
2. Duncan Huisman / Boris Said / Pedro Lamy / Hans-Joachim Stuck (BMW M3 GTR #43)

This is according to the official results, the press reported Müller/Müller/Stuck as winners and Huisman/Said/Lamy as second placed, so I am not sure whether Stuck drove indeed car #43 and Lamy car #42.

By the way: this was Stuck's third victory after 1970 (first Nürburgring 24 hour race at all) and 1998 - 34 years between first and last victory is a decade more than between Jack Nicklaus' first (1963) and last (1986) victory in the golf Masters tournament!

#3 917

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Posted 22 June 2004 - 06:07

Another example:

24 hours of Daytona 1968

1. Vic Elford / Jochen Neerpasch / Jo Siffert / Rolf Stommelen / Hans Herrmann (Porsche 907 #54)
2. Jo Siffert / Hans Herrmann (Porsche 907 #52)

#4 Frank de Jong

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Posted 22 June 2004 - 06:45

Again, we had a thread about this a while ago :wave: so this time I'm not going to repeat Jarama 1974, ETTC, where Toine Hezemans was first (in a Capri) and second (in an Escort) overall - AND won both divisions.

#5 917

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Posted 22 June 2004 - 19:00

Frank,

this was the Kyalami 9 Hours 1965 thread, where Nanni Dietrich mentioned this example:

Originally posted by Nanni Dietrich
D-Type, you are correct, in the past some drivers drove more than one car in the same race: I remember in 1979 World Sportscar Championship the Gelo Racing Team's Porsche 935 driven by all the same drivers. For example at Mugello 6 Hours arrived first the 935 of Bob Wollek-Manfred Schurti-John Fitzpatrick, second the 935 of Bob Wollek-Manfred Schurti-Jacky Ickx! The same at Nurburgring, at Dijon-Prenois etc only four drivers for two cars. [/B]



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Posted 23 June 2004 - 01:59

I read of such a result at the Spa 24 Hours and, I would think, it happened more than we think, there, at the 'Ring, Sebring, Daytona, etc.

#7 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 June 2004 - 03:04

It was scheduled to happen at Bathurst in 1977 when Moffat and Ickx were leading Bond and Hamilton near the end..

Moffat's own car was failing in some way (brakes) and it was suggested that he should get into Bond's for the finish of the race. They had cross-entered and all that... but it never happened.

Peter Brock, of course was first and almost last in that race in 1981...

#8 Murray Lord

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Posted 23 June 2004 - 11:04

There were a couple of cases in the 1991 World Sportcar Championship, where TWR Jaguar had Derek Warwick in one car and Teo Fabi in another, and one co-driver for both cars - David Brabham was 1st and 2nd at the Nurburgring and Martin Brundle at Monza.

Are there other examples of this being the plan from the outset instead of how things developed during the race??

#9 D-Type

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Posted 23 June 2004 - 11:18

Back in the fifties, the championship was for makes and cars were apparently less reliable. So, where the regulations permitted, it was always the plan to transfer the fastest drivers to other team cars if their own packed up. Maserati in 1956-57 were the ones who did it the most. However, I don't think that drivers were allocated to more than one car in the programme or that it was ever actually planned that a pool of drivers would share the driving of more than one car if they all kept going, which I think is what you are asking.

#10 jarama

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Posted 23 June 2004 - 17:49

Originally posted by D-Type
Back in the fifties, the championship was for makes and cars were apparently less reliable. So, where the regulations permitted, it was always the plan to transfer the fastest drivers to other team cars if their own packed up. Maserati in 1956-57 were the ones who did it the most. .



Maybe 'cause they were the most prone to break down ;)

Carles.