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[HEROS]

For the 1972 season of Formula 2, Mac Laren built one single-seater type M21.
It was used by Jody Scheckter but not during all the European championship.
Nevertheless Scheckter won a race at Crystal Palace.

Later, a French driver : Yves Martin used a Mac Laren M21 in hill climb in France,
but I do not know if it is the same frame than Scheckter.

Do you know how many M21 were built?

Many thanks.

[David McKinney]

I've never heard of a car called a Mac Laren
However, at least one McLaren M21, in addition to the works car, was built by Trojan, and possibly a third.
I don't know which was the Yves Martin car

[Vicuna]

One of them is in the Donington Collection

[Reyna]

I found this list of 1972 season F2 chassis :


McLaren:

M21-1 Scheckter


March:

712-04 V. Brambilla
712-17 W. Fittipaldi
712-18 E. Brambilla
712-?? Hunt

722-01 Birrell
722-04 Jabouille
722-05 Lauda
722-08 Kazato
722-10 Purley
722-11 Lunger
722-14 Dolhem / Jarier
722-15 Wilkins
722-16 Perrot
722-17 Mass
722-18 Beuttler
722-41 Williamson
722-42 Depailler
722-?? Peterson


Brabham:

BT35-08 Morgan
BT35-19 Belso

BT36-03 Scott
BT36-04 Binder
BT36-05 Wetsbury
BT36-15 Wingfield
BT36-?? Hill

BT38-?? Belso
BT38-11 Francisci / Reutemann
BT38-12 Wollek
BT38-15 Morgan
BT38-17 Scott
BT38-18 Jaussaud / Potocki
BT38-20 Morgan
BT38-21 Moser
BT38-23 Wetsbury
BT38-22 Gagliardi
BT38-24 Jaussaud / Potocki
BT38-25 W. Fittipaldi


Surtees:

TS10-01 Hailwood
TS10-03 Ruesch
TS10-04 De Adamich
TS10-05 Ruesch
TS10-07 Quester
TS10-?? Pace


Chevron:

B20-02 Elford / Gethin
B20-?? Watson

Elf:

A367-01 Depailler / Jabouille


Pygmée:

MDB17-02 Duarte / Pace
MDB17-03 Dal Bo



GRD:

272-10 Bourgoignie
272-20 Ikuzawa
272-?? Wisell


Ensign:

72/2-01 Burton


Tui

BH2-02 Watson
BH2-?? Morgan


Source: Autosprint Anno 1.972



Rafa

[Duncan Fox]

The Yves Martin car was the ex "works" car, It is believed to have been destroyed in France. There were two? other Trojan cars run by Team Astor in Formula Atlantic driven by Steve Prior.

[Allen Brown]

Originally posted by Reyna
I found this list of 1972 season F2 chassis :


McLaren:

M21-1 Scheckter

etc

Source: Autosprint Anno 1.972


Rafa

Hi Rafa

Sorry to digress, but did Autospint have any F2 chassis numbers for 1974? There were no UK rounds that year so Autosport and Motoring News don't have anything.

Thanks

Allen

[Twin Window]

Originally posted by Duncan Fox
The Yves Martin car was the ex "works" car, It is believed to have been destroyed in France. There were two? other Trojan cars run by Team Astor in Formula Atlantic driven by Steve Prior.

I think this is the Team Astor in question...





;)

TW

[David McKinney]

Originally posted by Duncan Fox
The Yves Martin car was the ex "works" car, It is believed to have been destroyed in France. There were two? other Trojan cars run by Team Astor in Formula Atlantic driven by Steve Prior.

Although away from my records as we speak, my recollection is that one of the Astor/Prior cars was Trojan-built and the other was the ex-works/Scheckter

[Reyna]

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Hi Rafa

Sorry to digress, but did Autospint have any F2 chassis numbers for 1974? There were no UK rounds that year so Autosport and Motoring News don't have anything.

Thanks

Allen

I'm sorry Allen... Autosprint does'nt have F2 chassis numbers for 1974.

BTW, is the AS 1972 list correct ????



Rafa

[David McKinney]

Have now checked my records and confirm they state my belief that one 1975 Astor/Prior M21 was the ex-works car and the other a Trojan job. The same year Robert Alvarez drove an M21, either one of the above or a third.
When did Yves Martin have his?

[HEROS]

To answer to David, I can say that Yves Martin possessed his Mc Laren for
the ' 73/74 seasons.

He obtained numerous victories, until the practices of the Montgueux hillclimb, on
22.09.74, when he had a big crash where he stayed one week in the coma.

The car was severely damaged, although the tub resisted to the accident.

Since this period, there is no more news of the car.

[Allen Brown]

Originally posted by Reyna
... BTW, is the AS 1972 list correct ????

Rafa

I wish I knew! I only have the Formula 1 Register books to compare it with and I don't know where their information came from. Some information can be found in Autosport and Motoring News but Autosprint is an important independent check.

Thanks

Allen

[Duncan Fox]

Of interest to Allen will be the fact that three cars exist today. Unfortunatly there are no chassis tags and none of the owners know which chassis # they have. David and Heros posts would suggest that the works car may have survived. Trojan have been reported as having built 3 possibly 4 cars, and I have believed up to now that all the survivors were Trojan built. Could the Martin car have been retubbed after the crash? I still believe the original tub was scrapped in France. Heros , where did your report come from? .

[HEROS]

Hello Duncan

My report come from a french magazine called ''Echappement'', of November 74.

On the other hand, I do not know what is M21 which is exposed to the Donington
collection, is it about the car of Scheckter?

[Duncan Fox]

The guys at McLaren Int Heritage quoted thier M21 as M21-1. I would imagine that is the car displayed at Donnington .

[Allen Brown]

To bring back an old topic of conversation, I now have Echappement for 1973 and I can confirm that Yves Martin's car is definitely said to be the ex-Scheckter F2 car. There's a reasonably good feature on the car and good photos.

Given how badly it was crashed in 1974, one does wonder how it's now in Donington. Does anyone have any information on the Donington car? I have some recollection about it being swapped for something else but I can't find anything.

Also, what were those two F/Atlantic cars and where are they now? I suppose it's possible Martin bought not just the ex-Scheckter car but also all the spares including spare tubs and that whole lot then went back to England for 1975.

Duncan - any ideas?

Allen

[Mallory Dan]

Weren't the Trojan T101s based on the M21 tub, if so, its possible one of the Trojan built M21s became a T101???

Why does the name 'Tony Dunne' ring a bell with me re an M21, Northern Libre of early 80s perhaps?

[Allen Brown]

As usual Dan, your memory is spot on. Tony Dunne raced one in the 1982 F/Atlantic series.

The T101 did use the front half of the M21 and the back half of the M22, IIRC. I doubt they'd have reused tubs but you never know.

Allen

[David M. Kane]

A perfect one resides in Indianapolis in the hands of Chris McAllister, so we know at least 2 still exist.

[Allen Brown]

Someone just phoned me to tell me that Jody Scheckter has one in his collection too, probably the other ex-Atlantic car. So that's three.

The car in the Donington Museum belongs to a former McLaren mechanic - or at least it used to - but its origins are still a mystery.

The tub is very similar to the Trojan T101 but it's significantly different around the engine. You could either cut the pontoons off a M21 tubs and attach T101 pontoons or you could just build a new tub. For Trojan, it would probably have been just as quick to build a new one.

Allen

[Allen Brown]

The plot thickens!

In August 1975, the Yves Martin McLaren M21 returns having been rebuilt and renamed Guépard (Cheetah). It is driven with some success by Gilles Péquegnot, winning at La Nerthe on 7 Sep 1975.

So it's definitely not related to the two M21s that ran in UK F/Atlantic in 1975.

Allen