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[BAR_Star]

Where are all the sato is " the next best thing" since and so on.
Gota laugh, after his third place last race, there were more sato is god posts .
But nothing this time round ?? strange, and once again proving that your only as good as your last result with some armchair experts.

[MortenF1]

This is my answer, in full;
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[Rene]

Originally posted by BAR_Star
Where are all the sato is " the next best thing" since and so on.
Gota laugh, after his third place last race, there were more sato is god posts than fryed lice.
But nothing this time round ?? strange, and once again proving that your only as good as your last result with some armchair experts.

Tough to show anything when your car dies after 17 laps....or did you not watch the race....oh ya...the director failed to show anything but Alonso for 33 laps....so how on earth do you know how Sato was driving?!

[Jason]

Originally posted by BAR_Star
Where are all the sato is " the next best thing" since and so on.
Gota laugh, after his third place last race, there were more sato is god posts than fryed lice.
But nothing this time round ?? strange, and once again proving that your only as good as your last result with some armchair experts.

Sato is inconsistent. I don't think you find me stating otherwise. Check my previous posts if you don't believe me. Obviously, this was a crap race for Sato. He didn't have the pace and his engine failed shortly after his first pitstop. What's your point? Are you going to start a new thread each time a driver follows an excellent performance with a disappointing one?

[BAR_Star]

Iam not having a go at sato, but the point iam making is that, at the start of the year, there was nothing but talk about how undeserving sato was, then he gets it together somewhat, then he gets a third place, and fans spring up from all over the place, saying how JB is a bunny and sato has his number so to speak, i find the humor in all this because had sato once again out qualified JB, we would once again seen a shed load of posts about how good sato is and how poor JB is.
And the WHOLE point is, that some people are not true F1 fans, but pure man of the moment fans, as has been proved with the current line of "new " generation drivers IE: KR FA JB TS .
One second there the next best thing, the next its someone else.
I happen to think, that both B.A.R drivers are two of the best, with button edging it as to who has what it takes over a season.
I am a B.A.R fan, and as a brit, slightly biased towards JB, i openly admit this, but if sato gets ahead and puts JB into second place in the team, i will be the first to say good job.
Its a shame in my eyes that one second every forum is full of sato posts, but the moment he has a poor race his fans desert him.
Sad indeed.
Every driver but MS has off days, i guess MS as well, but unfortunatly for most, when MS has an off day its still better than most other drivewrs out there.

[paulogman]

they're both good. sato is just more agressive and will try any pass.

button has to play the role of "team leader" and make sure he finishes with a good points haul for the team.

not to mention that sato has had far too many engine failures this season. he might not have beaten jenson this weekend, but that doesn't make him **** or button **** when sato does better.

[BAR_Star]

Originally posted by paulogman
they're both good. sato is just more agressive and will try any pass.

button has to play the role of "team leader" and make sure he finishes with a good points haul for the team.

not to mention that sato has had far too many engine failures this season. he might not have beaten jenson this weekend, but that doesn't make him **** or button **** when sato does better.

Thats pretty much how i think mate.

[RX-7]

I for one, am still in Sato's corner despite his dismal day. I have liked him from the start and will continue to support him. As far as the race...what is there to talk about? His engine blew,game over! Besides,I can personally hold onto his 3rd place finish for the rest of the year and not think less of him. Exciting racers don't always have the best results... But they are enjoyable to watch.

Another thing that I think lends to the Sato fanfare: I personally believe that most people like the underdogs. I think that since Japanese drivers have been historically "not too succesful" in F1...that most would like to see him do well.IMHO.

[SB]

Yes I'm still pleased about his performance (not his result ) . I think Sato has the "willing-to-try" attitude which is a "must-have" ability for a future champion.

On the other hand, Button only showed the abilty to drive in "quite" a quick pace and waited for the other's misfortune -- just like another DC ot Irvine. Thus no matter what the final result of current season. I think Sato is the one more worthing for the fans to follow

[RRT1963]

First off BAR Star, why is it that now half way through his third season as team manager David Richards can't manage to motivate the team enough to ensure that both cars can finish on a regular basis.
He's pretty crap as a manager don't you think?
Of 10 races Button has had 1 mechanical failure. Sato's had four engines blow up.
It's really hard to get a feel for how he would do with equal reliability, but then again he's not a Brit so obviously he's crap just like Villeneuve.
BAR would be great though if they had a competent team manager that didn't believe his own press Jingoistic British press clippings.

[SlateGray]

A better question. What the heck happened to Button?
As always he was OK in the Q then pulled the big fold job in the race.

[Thunder]

Give Sato , his engineers and Honda a bit of time , they will find a way.

[pippin]

I'm also a British BAR fan with a big Button bias, but I like Sato too. It does also annoy me how many people jump on the bandwagon when a driver does one good race. Unfortunately on Sunday the race coverage was so poor its really not possible to make a proper judgement on any driver.

Honestly though its really getting embarrassing how many engine failures Taku has had.

[skinnylizard]

Originally posted by BAR_Star
Where are all the sato is " the next best thing" since and so on.
Gota laugh, after his third place last race, there were more sato is god posts than fryed lice.
But nothing this time round ?? strange, and once again proving that your only as good as your last result with some armchair experts.

and sato is good. he dosent have the experience that Button or others do. he has the speed there is no doubt there. needs to work on his racecraft.

[Driafa]

Sato's fans didn't know there was a race on this weekend.. don't worry, they won't forget the next time he gets a podium ;)

[HSJ]

Originally posted by BAR_Star
Where are all the sato is " the next best thing" since and so on.
Gota laugh, after his third place last race, there were more sato is god posts than fryed lice.
But nothing this time round ?? strange, and once again proving that your only as good as your last result with some armchair experts.

Strange. Looking at your name BAR_Star one would think you're a BAR fan, and yet you diss one of their drivers. A Button fan only then?

Anyway, JB has been in F1 since 2000, learned the tricks of the trade from three very good teams (Williams, Benetton/Renault, BAR). This is JB's 5th season in F1. By comparison TS is doing his 2nd season of racing in F1, probably learned very little at Jordan, and is obviously #2 at BAR (due to Richards favoring JB IMO). Now, I like JB a lot, and I like TS too (not quite as much as JB though), but I don't see reason to diss TS after being only slightly behind JB on the grid and pace this time around. Frankly given their relative experience I think TS is doing fine.

[Jason]

Originally posted by skinnylizard



what does that have to do with anything

Why don't you ask BAR_Star what "fryed lice" has to do with anything? Particularly stupid since Japanese don't pronounce words with "L"s with an "L" sound, but use an "R" sound instead. That's how they ended up with the following faux pas.;)

[Daff]

I've been a BAR fan since they joined F1 and think Button is booooring to watch...just like DC. Smooth, safe, no risk. I also find him incredibly arrogant and it pains me that I have to cheer when Ruben passed him, despite Button being in a BAR.

Jakob

[skinnylizard]

Originally posted by Jason

Why don't you ask BAR_Star what "fryed lice" has to do with anything? Particularly stupid since Japanese don't pronounce words with "L"s with an "L" sound, but use an "R" sound instead. That's how they ended up with the following faux pas.;)

which is wha i was quoting him on. he mentioned that line which is from Lethal Weapon 4 irrc.
was just letting him know he was mixing up the two.

[Jason]

Sato explains what happened:

"It was a little bit of a frustrating race," Taku sighed, "I think my engine had been a little bit sick - maybe from just after the start and definitely just before the stop, when there was a little bit of smoke. Then, after the pit-stop, the smoke was significant and I heard some very bad noises - down the straight to the Adelaide hairpin, I could only reach fifth gear!
"This engine failure was a little bit different to the other races - all of the others were a sudden end and a big bang, but this one was gradual. We should at least have scored a point but it was going to be a tough race.
"There's not much we can do before the British Grand Prix, with only four days remaining before practice! I'm sure Honda are looking into it though, and that we'll know tomorrow morning."

Nursing a sick engine from the get go certainly explains why his race pace was so far off from his Saturday test times. I recommend finding out the facts, before starting a thread dissing Sato and his fans. I guess bashers will take any opportunity to get their licks in, before the facts are known.

[Dalton007]

Originally posted by Daff
I've been a BAR fan since they joined F1 and think Button is booooring to watch...just like DC. Smooth, safe, no risk. I also find him incredibly arrogant and it pains me that I have to cheer when Ruben passed him, despite Button being in a BAR.

Jakob

Arrogant? I don't see that, but I think you have to be a bastard to survive in F1.

Brundle hit the nail on the head, Button wasn't attacking the race track during the race, which is why he came 5th! He needs to push, PUSH!

[BAR_Star]

Originally posted by HSJ


Strange. Looking at your name BAR_Star one would think you're a BAR fan, and yet you diss one of their drivers. A Button fan only then?

Anyway, JB has been in F1 since 2000, learned the tricks of the trade from three very good teams (Williams, Benetton/Renault, BAR). This is JB's 5th season in F1. By comparison TS is doing his 2nd season of racing in F1, probably learned very little at Jordan, and is obviously #2 at BAR (due to Richards favoring JB IMO). Now, I like JB a lot, and I like TS too (not quite as much as JB though), but I don't see reason to diss TS after being only slightly behind JB on the grid and pace this time around. Frankly given their relative experience I think TS is doing fine.

LOL
Iam not in the SLIGHTEST "dissing" sato, iam "dissing" his bandwagon fans.
I happen to think sato is a good driver, time will tell if he gets it right in the end.
It was nice to see that at least pippin got my meaning of the thread

[inigo]

Originally posted by BAR_Star
then he gets it together somewhat, then he gets a third place, and fans spring up from all over the place, saying how JB is a bunny and sato has his number so to speak

There are not that many drives in the past couple of seasons which deserve their own thread or make people a fan of a driver. Sato's drive in Indy was that kind of drive. Sato is fully deserving his own fanboys.

[RX-7]

Originally posted by Jason
Sato explains what happened:

Nursing a sick engine from the get go certainly explains why his race pace was so far off from his Saturday test times. I recommend finding out the facts, before starting a thread dissing Sato and his fans. I guess bashers will take any opportunity to get their licks in, before the facts are known.

Makes total sense! If Taku is displaying a "slow pace" it's due to set-up or engine maladies.Sometimes the odd curb.

[checkonetwo]

i`m on the sato bandwagon big time, just didn´t care to start a thread informing everybody about it. takuma is great, needs a bit more time, that´s all. the engine failures are annoying though. i hope he´s not responsible for them in a way. anyways, GO SATO !!!

[onepablo]

Originally posted by Jason

Why don't you ask BAR_Star what "fryed lice" has to do with anything? Particularly stupid since Japanese don't pronounce words with "L"s with an "L" sound, but use an "R" sound instead. That's how they ended up with the following faux pas.;)

Jason, thanks for pointing that out. Somehow, my comments on BAR_Star's irrelevant dig at Japanese was deleted by the moderators.

BTW, I don't particularly take much offense at that comment, as I've dealt with enough to know when to let it pass.

[paulogman]

as far as all this about hopping on the band wagon is concerned, how many drivers do extremely well in the lower formulae and fall flat on their face when the start driving f1?

it's not easy to judge a talent before they have raced in f1. Jan magnussen was totally dominant in f3, but he was a disaster when he entered f1. after that happened, it was difficult to see anything special about sato being very quick in f3.

another thing that makes it difficult to judge a driver before they get to f1 is that you never get to see them drive.

i heard all about sato doing this and that in f3, but i never had access to coverage of the races. first i saw of sato was his season with jordan. up until suzuka, what was there to get really excited about?

i think the band wagon idea is not applicable to sato, the car is fast and he is doing great when it lasts. button is a good driver, but he's been in the series for 5 years. we'll see how the two compare in 5 years time. maybe sato won't last that long or maybe he'll have a title or two. just going to have to wait and see.

[w00t]

starting threads like this deserves a perma-ban

anyway i like sato since his passes on ralf and rubens, and on indy, and his fantastic performance in the canadian qual. Sato is just like no other F1 driver

even though I like sato i dont think he will ever be WDC. Mainly because the field´s most overrated car BAR-Honda, will never be good enough. There will only be one car winning the next few seasons, Ferrari, before Sato retires and wont ever be given the chance. If he gets the chance he will of course win sooner or later.

[RX-7]

Originally posted by checkonetwo
i`m on the sato bandwagon big time, just didn´t care to start a thread informing everybody about it. takuma is great, needs a bit more time, that´s all. the engine failures are annoying though. i hope he´s not responsible for them in a way. anyways, GO SATO !!!

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