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[VoidNT]

It is said that Barrichello's lap in the Monza'04 qualifying is fastest ever by average lap speed (260,4 kph). AFAIK previous record was set by Keke Rosberg in Silverstone'85 (~259 kph). Was there faster lap speed in the history of Formula One (excluding oval races, of course)? If Rosberg's lap was fastest, so which lap we'll count as fastest henceforward, Barrichello's 260,4 in qualifying or Montoya's 262,2 in pre-qualifying?

[Fortymark]

http://www.atlasf1.c...p/id/5747/.html

Montoya fastest lap ever, Barrichello fastest pole

[w00t]

I wonder if schumi have time to steal that record from monty.

[logic]

Originally posted by w00t
I wonder if schumi have time to steal that record from monty.

Schumi this, Schumi that, bla bla..

[VresiBerba]

Yea, Rubens stole the Qual record from Montoya today, with the fastest qual-lap ever. Though Monty still holds the fastest ever. I will soon forget Zemolos face in '02, when Monty took pole just ahead of Shumi. The expression said it all, really

[B747]

I think the key here is "fastest official lap", JPM's lap would not be official, at least that is what commentator s said.

[Fortymark]

Originally posted by B747
I think the key here is "fastest official lap", JPM's lap would not be official, at least that is what commentator s said.

It´s official because it happened during an race weekend and not in testing.

[Wouter]

Originally posted by Fortymark


It´s official because it happened during an race weekend and not in testing.

And in pre-qual, at that. Q1 is surely an official, timed session!

[Fortymark]

Originally posted by Wouter

And in pre-qual, at that. Q1 is surely an official, timed session!

I hope so

[A Wheel Nut]

No good being the fastest driver if ya ain't got the silverware (or even the results) to back it up.

[MuMu]

This thread is not about silverware - there are hundreds of threads where that topic can be discussed.

[VoLGio]

And what about the maximum speed? Have someone increase the record from last season this weekend?

[A Wheel Nut]

Funny that this very topic will no doubt make it in to all the silverware threads floating round. "Schumacher might have 7WDC's, but he's not the fastest."

Face it, "fastest ever lap" is meaningless because not everyone was competing for that specific goal. If everyone on the grid had the sole aim of claiming "fastest ever lap" I'm sure that the time would have been lower and it would have been a much harder battle.

Now the race for silverware is something everyone on the grid is out there for and I'd place far more value on winning a single GP than having my name next to "fastest ever lap".

[Wouter]

It's only one record not in MS' hands, no need to get all defensive.

[A Wheel Nut]

The point isn't who has it, the point is that it is meaningless because no one else was competing for it.

[VresiBerba]

Originally posted by A Wheel Nut
The point isn't who has it, the point is that it is meaningless because no one else was competing for it.

Nevertheless, it did happen, you know.

[A Wheel Nut]

Well duh. If it hadn't happened why would we bother discussing it.

[VresiBerba]

Originally posted by A Wheel Nut
Well duh. If it hadn't happened why would we bother discussing it.

Precisely

[lukywill]

Originally posted by A Wheel Nut
The point isn't who has it, the point is that it is meaningless because no one else was competing for it.

no one competes for number of wdc or number of wins also.

[Schuting Star]

Originally posted by lukywill
no one competes for number of wdc or number of wins also.

Well they damn well should do then Michael might actually have some competition.

[FrankB]

Originally posted by A Wheel Nut
The point isn't who has it, the point is that it is meaningless because no one else was competing for it.

They may not have been trying to achieve "The Fastest Formula One Lap Ever!" accolade, but they were all trying to be on pole for the start of today's race. I am sure that RB was trying to do the fastest lap that he could, to get himself as good a grid position as possible. If his qualifying time had also given him the honour of having driven the fastest ever F1 lap that would have been incidental to his main aim.

[Schuting Star]

Originally posted by FrankB
They may not have been trying to achieve "The Fastest Formula One Lap Ever!" accolade, but they were all trying to be on pole for the start of today's race.

That's not strictly true, they were all aiming for the best possible position, but with the need to carry fuel for the race there will have been a fair number knowing full well they weren't going for pole.

[A Wheel Nut]

Originally posted by lukywill
no one competes for number of wdc or number of wins also.

Er? Isn't that the whole point of the WC/WD Championships? To win? Otherwise Ferrari, and everyone else for that matter, better dial out some downforce, remove the rev limiters and start setting some "fastest ever laps". Who cares about making the cars last an entire GP. We may as well forget multiple lap "races" and have one lap sprint. Better yet, laps could be replaced with heats where competitors could knock each other out. And inbetween laps, I mean heats, the pit crews could service the cars. While we're at it, perhaps we should remove corners cause they just slow the cars down anyway. Hey, we could even change the name of F1 to "drag racing". That sounds like fun! And then, in this warped world of the new "drag racing F1", winning would be setting the fastest ever time.

Until of course the next "fastest ever time" was set.

[A Wheel Nut]

Originally posted by FrankB
They may not have been trying to achieve "The Fastest Formula One Lap Ever!" accolade, but they were all trying to be on pole for the start of today's race.

Pre-qualifying is not the ideal place to achieve pole position for the following days race. In fact, its entirely impossible.

Originally posted by FrankB
I am sure that RB was trying to do the fastest lap that he could, to get himself as good a grid position as possible. If his qualifying time had also given him the honour of having driven the fastest ever F1 lap that would have been incidental to his main aim.

[FrankB]

Originally posted by Schuting Star
That's not strictly true, they were all aiming for the best possible position, but with the need to carry fuel for the race there will have been a fair number knowing full well they weren't going for pole.

I understand what you are saying - most drivers would have started qualifying accepting the fact that they were unlikely to be on pole at the end of the session. But I'm sure no one goes out thinking "I am going to aim to be in 10th place on the grid". They all would want to be as near the front as they can, whatever fuel load they are carrying.

Surely the "best possible position" would be on pole with enough fuel to do 1 less stop than everyone else.

To say that people were not competing for "Fastest Lap Ever" is true to the extent that no one would use their single qualifying lap just to set a tremendously fast lap time, only to compromise their pit stop strategy by starting with enough fuel for a single racing lap.

[FrankB]

Originally posted by A Wheel Nut
Pre-qualifying is not the ideal place to achieve pole position for the following days race. In fact, its entirely impossible.

I was thinking about the situation at the end of yesterday morning, and whether anyone would be starting the afternoon's qualifying session with their principle aim being to beat Montoya's time.

[Rob Semmeling]

Originally posted by VoLGio
And what about the maximum speed? Have someone increase the record from last season this weekend?

Barrichello hit 364,0 km/h during the race. Don't know if that's a record, but it's incredible anyway, especially considering these speeds are reached on normal road courses and not ovals.

[Wouter]

Originally posted by Rob Semmeling


Barrichello hit 364,0 km/h during the race. Don't know if that's a record, but it's incredible anyway, especially considering these speeds are reached on normal road courses and not ovals.

It might well be a record. What was the fastest lap in the race, anyway? Was it slower than the pole, slower than Montoya's lap in Q1?

[FrankB]

Originally posted by Wouter

It might well be a record. What was the fastest lap in the race, anyway? Was it slower than the pole, slower than Montoya's lap in Q1?

Rubens Barrichello - Ferrari - Lap 41 - Time of day 15:02:18 - Average speed 257.320 - Time 1:21.046

http://www.formula1....2004/728/8.html

[tifosi]

Originally posted by lukywill


no one competes for number of wdc or number of wins also.

Damn if that doesn't take the official "I'm a loser" quote of the centruy prize.

[panzani]

Pizzonia reached 369Km/h @ the speed trap near the end while chasing Coulthard.

[Schuting Star]

Originally posted by panzani
Pizzonia reached 369Km/h @ the speed trap near the end while chasing Coulthard.

Before or after he used Coulthard as a brake?

[Ursus]

IIRC Alesi was clocked at 371km/h a couple of years back after getting a massive tow down the straight.

BTW Shumacher still keeps the fastest full race distance from last year. Average of 247.someting kph over 53 laps.