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#1 SEdward

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 15:45

Richard Morgan is the younger brother of David, made famous by his unexpected F2 win at Mallory in 1971 and his punch up with Master James at Crystal Palace.

Richard enjoyed some success in FF in 1973. Then he went on to drive the Wheatcroft in F Atlantic and F3. Then he dropped off the screen and I have never understood why.

He was one of my favourites on the early 1970s club scene in the UK and I always felt that we was destined for greater things.

Does anyone out there know what happened to him or where he is now?

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 16:20

I rated the brothers Morgan too, and in fact I always had a gut feeling that Richard might have proved the quicker.

I've no idea what happened to Richard; like you say he just vanished. One of the last times I remember seeing him race was the F Atlantic support race to the 1975 Race of Champions...

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As for David, I don't remember him doing much after his one-off for Surtees in the 1975 British GP. He went on later to engineer the Central Park Lamborghini F1 Team, and the last time I saw him in the flesh was in 1994 he was still engineering; this time for a Mexican F3 team.

This is David in the Hogan Lola T332 at Mallory Park in 1974...

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A pair of highly talented (British) individuals who, like many others of that era, never got their deserved opportunities.

#3 SEdward

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 16:23

Twinny,

I shared that "gut feeling". I always thought that Richard was capable of going far.

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 18:16

Wasn't David doing a couple of F3 races in 1986 in the infamous Beagle? Or was that another David Morgan???

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 18:37

Richard struck me as a very polished driver; he took the works Crossle 25F to one of the FF championships, didn't he?
Such was his performance that the RAC sealed and inspected the engine as a result of a protest, I think.
(I aleays thought the 25F was a very pretty car).

A friend from schooldays (Grahame Tilley - Dan Rear remembers him too, I think; Graeme's youger brother was classmate of mine) had the ex-works car the season after and it came with a sticker on the nose bearing the legend "RAC approved Minister power" put there in response to the "clean bill of health" it was given! Grahame had worked at Wheatcroft's workshops when the Donington Collection was being established, so we naturally took an interest in Richard when he began driving for Tom's outfit.

I'd heard people at the time swear that the two Morgan's weren't related (I don't think I ever actually met either of them), but I was never sure - so I was interested to see that they were!

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 18:47

Originally posted by SEdward
Richard Morgan is the younger brother of David, made famous by his unexpected F2 win at Mallory in 1971 and his punch up with Master James at Crystal Palace.

Richard enjoyed some success in FF in 1973. Then he went on to drive the Wheatcroft in F Atlantic and F3. Then he dropped off the screen and I have never understood why.

He was one of my favourites on the early 1970s club scene in the UK and I always felt that we was destined for greater things.

Does anyone out there know what happened to him or where he is now?

Edward


I was unaware that he drove a Wheatcroft in F3. He certainly drove the P18 (?) once it was ready in the two British Formula Atlantic series.

Prior to that he raced a Chevron B29 - see Twinny's picture - but he only won one race (I think) at Snetterton in the "Wheatcroft" (actually one of Mike Pilbeam's creations).

He re-appeared in the BP F3 Championship in 1978 in a year-old, under-financed March 773 but I seem to recall he ran out of funds around British GP time...

After that I really don't know. But yes, he was very quick in that Crossle 25F in Formula Ford...

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Posted 16 September 2004 - 21:52

I've dug out one of my pics of David when he was in Mexico...

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...where he engineered Giovanni Aloi's car...

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The pics were taken at Puebla, June '94. I can't seem to find any more shots of Richard, which is rather annoying! ):

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 07:59

Someone here has designed a thread designed to appeal to me. It's not my birthday, but thanks anyway.

Being totally commited to the cause of Dave Morgan, I was well chuffed when his brother Richard started racing and displaying considerable promise. He really did show signs of becoming the next big thing. I'll have to admit that like Twinny I suspect he could have gone further than brother Dave, to who my attachment came from the heart not the head. By the way, and to remove any doubt, it was not THAT kind of attachment from the heart, but you know what I mean.......

I just don't know why Richard's career seemed to come to a dead end. Or at least I might have known once, but I can't remember now. But I do recall an article in Motor Sport (have I got the spelling right?) some years ago about 2 or 3 promising British drivers whose career fizzled out just when it was all looking good. Richard was one of them. Again, my memory fails me as to what was said in the article, apart from one thing - he was asked that inane but pertinent question : do you think you could have made it in F1? Richard was, it seems, a modest and down to earth guy, but he simply said , in a quiet but firm voice, "yes". Now anyone can say that, but I'm sure he was right.

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 08:08

Originally posted by ian senior

Motor Sport (have I got the spelling right?)

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...he was asked that inane but pertinent question : do you think you could have made it in F1? Richard was, it seems, a modest and down to earth guy, but he simply said , in a quiet but firm voice, "yes". Now anyone can say that, but I'm sure he was right.

And so am I...

Ian - anything in your mail?!

#10 SEdward

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 12:35

A stab at Google returned 'Richard Morgan Racing', based in NC in the US and run by an Englishman. Is this he?

Another point I forgot to mention is that Richard won the third running of the famous Formula Ford Festival in 1974 which, at that time, was held at Snetterton.

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 12:48

Richard was in Atlantic in 1975, the year after he'd dominated FF with the Crossle 25F. Don't know how the connexion with Tom Wheat. came about, but I think Tom perhaps saw him as the next Roger W. The intention, I believe, was to use the Pilbeam/Wheatcroft, but when it was late, they bought a Chevron B29, and intially Richard went well in it. When Brise got the Modus working though, and Jim C his B29 as well, Richard seemed to lose out. The Wheatcroft wasn't a match for these cars IIRC, nor the Wentz Lola, and Richard was pushed out of the team by 'SuperHen'.

After that, as has been reported he did some underfinanced F3, in a March not the Wheatcroft. The last time I remember him was in 1979, when he was out in FF again, in a Crossle 35F. Up against some good youngsters that year, Moreno/Byrne/Palmer/Weaver, he went quite well, though without the success of the 25F 5 years before.

Off the top of my head, wasn't he involved with the setting up of Racing for Britain in early 1981 ?

Finally, Dave Morgan and the Beagle, I don't remember but pretty sure it wasn't that Dave M. There was another Dave M who had a lovely Royale RP21 in FF around that time, maybe it was him, and if so, is he the Dave M who was/is involved with the school at Mallory these days.

Slightly o/t, anyone else remeber the Jim Yardley Beagle Clubmans car? Very quick and a real 'looker' too.

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 19:24

Originally posted by Mallory Dan

Slightly o/t, anyone else remeber the Jim Yardley Beagle Clubmans car? Very quick and a real 'looker' too.

Funnily enough, Jim Yardley used to live quite close to me in Sutton Coldfield, but I never mt him. His girlfriend/wife was my mum's hairdresser!

However I don't remember the Beagle apart from in name, and I'm not sure if I ever saw it race, actually. I used to babysit for Tony Ford for a while in the '70s, during which time he made his racing comeback in a monoposto Emberton. Anyone remember that?!

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 07:25

I may have the wrong bloke here - but I don't think so

Didn't Richard Morgans career end about the time he turned a drive for Lotus in 1975.

Given it was the old 72, it was possibly a smart move but - if I've got the right man - it kinda showed he might've been a bit gun shy.

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 08:20

Originally posted by Vicuna
I may have the wrong bloke here - but I don't think so

Didn't Richard Morgans career end about the time he turned a drive for Lotus in 1975.

Given it was the old 72, it was possibly a smart move but - if I've got the right man - it kinda showed he might've been a bit gun shy.

Over


Interesting one here, I didn't know that Lotus had Richard in their sights. Not entirely surprising, though, as they were giving contracts of some sort to all kinds of promising drivers at the time - Henton, Crawford, Arnoux, etc. Perhaps Lotus saw them as "trainee Grand Prix drivers" in the same way that Big Lou signed Vern Schuppan up to a dead end some time previously.

The elder Morgan was favoured by Lotus a few years before when he was blessed with a few outings in that wonderful racing car, the "Texaco Star" F2 Lotus. If Ronnie and Emerson couldn't make sense of it, Dave Morgan was hardly in with a chance.

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 12:56

Richard was, I agree, so quick and destined for F1 stardom.
A pity that he did not go all the way.

I remember well his performances in the FF Crossle. IIRC he held the record
for the number of wins in a season - 33 I think - which was broken by my old friend Trevor Van Rooyen.

I too was at Mallory on that bitterly cold day in March 1972 when brother David won the F2 race, beating the 'stars' in his Ed Reeve BT36.

I also recall a funny story from the '91 F1 season when David was a race engineer at Lamborghini. One of the drivers, not sure which (Larini?) was complaining about the size of the cockpit - too cramped. So David marched the driver up the pit-lane, pipe-in-mouth as always, tape measure in hand, straight into the Ferrari pit to measure their cockpit! The Scuderia mechanics were not amused!

Nice too to see Grahame Tilley mentioned in this thread. One of the regulars of the FF scene
at Silverstone, Mallory and Donington in particular. I have a 1978 Silverstone programme with his Bates of Leicester FF Hawke on the cover. and yes, I remember the Mono Beagle too!

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 13:34

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson

I also recall a funny story from the '91 F1 season when David was a race engineer at Lamborghini. One of the drivers, not sure which (Larini?) was complaining about the size of the cockpit - too cramped. So David marched the driver up the pit-lane, pipe-in-mouth as always, tape measure in hand, straight into the Ferrari pit to measure their cockpit! The Scuderia mechanics were not amused!

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 14:11

All fine and dandy. But I still don't know what became of Richard Morgan...

Maybe he's reading this, but being very coy!

Edward.

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 20:36

Originally posted by MCS


I was unaware that he drove a Wheatcroft in F3. He certainly drove the P18 (?) once it was ready in the two British Formula Atlantic series.

Prior to that he raced a Chevron B29 - see Twinny's picture - but he only won one race (I think) at Snetterton in the "Wheatcroft" (actually one of Mike Pilbeam's creations).

He re-appeared in the BP F3 Championship in 1978 in a year-old, under-financed March 773 but I seem to recall he ran out of funds around British GP time...

After that I really don't know. But yes, he was very quick in that Crossle 25F in Formula Ford...

MCS


I've done Richard an injustice - he won the opening John Player Atlantic round at Mallory in the B29 after Brise and Crawford both spun the lead away.

Anybody any closer to tracking him down yet ???

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Posted 08 March 2009 - 16:59

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Dave Morgan on the grid for the 1970 British Empire Trophy at Oulton Park 1970 in his March 703 Felday.Dave finished in 10th place.

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Posted 08 March 2009 - 19:01

Originally posted by Giraffe
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Dave Morgan on the grid for the 1970 British Empire Trophy at Oulton Park 1970 in his March 703 Felday.Dave finished in 10th place.


Giraffe,

You are doing a splendid job bringing back old threads that some of us missed the first time around.

David's Formula Atlantic Chevron at Silverstone. I think in 1974.

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Richard's Atlantic Wheatcroft at the 75 GP meeting.

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Posted 08 March 2009 - 19:05

Originally posted by MCS


I was unaware that he drove a Wheatcroft in F3.


I thought the F3 Wheatcroft was put together and driven by John Bright.

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Posted 08 March 2009 - 19:59

Originally posted by alansart
I thought the F3 Wheatcroft was put together and driven by John Bright.


It was.

Two interesting pictures though, Alan.

The first - Chevron B25 - is pre-sponsorship and I'm really curious because the car is blue with "David MORGAN" on the side. When I first saw it at Oulton it was black. It then reverted back to blue for the Harry Stiller/Southern Organs livery. Odd.

The Wheatcroft shot has, I believe, Richard Morgan standing on the left in the white jacket.

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Posted 08 March 2009 - 21:43

Am I correct in recalling Bob Evans as being a later Wheatcroft driver; in F2 perhaps? Wasn't the car Abarth-powered by then? In 1977?

Sorry, that's getting slightly O/T... :blush:

(PS I've re-posted my earlier pics for those interested, as the originals were hosted on AOL some five years ago and had vanished along with my subscription :eek: )

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Posted 08 March 2009 - 21:58

Originally posted by Twin Window
Am I correct in recalling Bob Evans as being a later Wheatcroft driver; in F2 perhaps? Wasn't the car Abarth-powered by then? In 1977?


I can remember the car in BRG at the Int'l Trophy at Silverstone in early 1977 with Evans as the driver, but can't remember whether it had an Abarth engine. But now you mention it Stuart, Abarth does ring a bell for some reason. Did it test with one, maybe?

I do remember the Abarth engine in the back of Roberto Marazzi's (spelling?) Lola that weekend - the noise it made was absolutely horrific. Painful actually!

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Posted 08 March 2009 - 22:13

Originally posted by MCS



The first - Chevron B25 - is pre-sponsorship and I'm really curious because the car is blue with "David MORGAN" on the side. When I first saw it at Oulton it was black. It then reverted back to blue for the Harry Stiller/Southern Organs livery. Odd.


It was entered by Roger Chalk and I have it marked as a B29.

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Posted 08 March 2009 - 22:48

David Morgans Chevron was a B25 , B25-73-04 to be precise .

You may tell by my signature that I am and have been for many years the very proud owner of the Mallory Park car which is in fact one of the few BT35 Brabhams that were initially built as Atlantics [ 3 off actually] , Dave and Ed Reeves [ owner ] had ordered a new BT38 for the 1972 season , however the car was late delivered and for the Mallory race they installed the new 1840cc BDE into the old girl BT35-8 with the nett result of winning.
The car is still very original with letters from the Brabham factory confirming ex. factory date of 23rd March 1971 , gearbox number etc. [ original gearbox still fitted ] most of the factory body panels , the cockpit section still with the original '' Protoco '' sticker , the car is in the correct Teal colour / yellow wings with the correct period stickers and competes when possible with the race number 44.
The car is used regularly in Historic events in Australia where the car has been since late 1972 also having competed in the Australian Grand Prix of 1976 at Sandown Park before being left to do nothing for the next 22 years before persistance finally won out and I acquired the car after ten years of trying.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 07:44

Originally posted by BT 35-8
David Morgans Chevron was a B25 , B25-73-04 to be precise .


According to ORC it's a Chevron B29 [29-75-21]. The photo was taken in 1975, not 1974 as I previously posted.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 08:00

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 09:48

A few of my old photographs.

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A pair of shots of Richard Morgan in F/Ford in 1974. I have a picture somewhere of him racing a Lola F/Ford but can't seem to find it at the moment.

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In the F/Atlantic Chevron in 1975

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 10:29

Originally posted by MCS


I can remember the car in BRG at the Int'l Trophy at Silverstone in early 1977 with Evans as the driver, but can't remember whether it had an Abarth engine. But now you mention it Stuart, Abarth does ring a bell for some reason. Did it test with one, maybe?


The Evans Wheatcroft is in the Donington Collection

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 12:16

Some interesting points on here (which makes a change for TNF at present...). First, aren't the 2 Morgan B29s completely different cars, one being the Wheaty car, the other the Chalk one destined for the US? Did Richard drive both, or is it David in the Chalk one? Next the 2 FF cars, are these the Ray he used in the early part of '74, they don't look like the Crossle.

Tne F2 Wheatcroft/Pilbeam was a one-off, and only appeared at Silverstone and possibly Thruxton that year I think, the engine was a disaster wasn't it, later used by Marazzi, and then by David Render in sprinting as I recall. I don't remember Richard in an FF Lola, Ray then Crossle, then much later a 1979 Crossle I think.

Finally the F3 Bright Wheatcroft was based on the Morgan Atlantic car wasn't it, when JB moved into F3 in 1977. I recall talking to Paul Gardner some years ago, he'd had a couple of the FAt cars that went to South Africa in the mid-70s, and told me around 6 cars were laid down originally.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 12:41

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
First, aren't the 2 Morgan B29s completely different cars, one being the Wheaty car, the other the Chalk one destined for the US? Did Richard drive both, or is it David in the Chalk one?


20th April 1975, Brands Hatch.

David M finishes 2nd in the Chalk Chevron. Cyd Williams is alongside in the photo and he finished 3rd. The only doubt here is that the photo shows David in car 13 but on ORC he's down as driving car 39.

Richard M in the Donington Chevron retired after an accident on the first lap.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 12:56

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Some interesting points on here (which makes a change for TNF at present...). First, aren't the 2 Morgan B29s completely different cars, one being the Wheaty car, the other the Chalk one destined for the US? Did Richard drive both, or is it David in the Chalk one? Next the 2 FF cars, are these the Ray he used in the early part of '74, they don't look like the Crossle.

Tne F2 Wheatcroft/Pilbeam was a one-off, and only appeared at Silverstone and possibly Thruxton that year I think, the engine was a disaster wasn't it, later used by Marazzi, and then by David Render in sprinting as I recall. I don't remember Richard in an FF Lola, Ray then Crossle, then much later a 1979 Crossle I think.

Finally the F3 Bright Wheatcroft was based on the Morgan Atlantic car wasn't it, when JB moved into F3 in 1977. I recall talking to Paul Gardner some years ago, he'd had a couple of the FAt cars that went to South Africa in the mid-70s, and told me around 6 cars were laid down originally.


There were two Wheatcroft F2 cars; the first driven by Brian Henton which was converted to FAt and then used in F3. The second was the Abarth engined car driven by Bob Evans. Both were designed and built by Mike Pilbeam.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 13:17

Originally posted by Stephen W


There were two Wheatcroft F2 cars; the first driven by Brian Henton which was converted to FAt and then used in F3. The second was the Abarth engined car driven by Bob Evans. Both were designed and built by Mike Pilbeam.

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According to Formula2.net the 2 races Bob Evans started in 77 (Silverstone and Thruxton) the car was Hart engined.

Can you tell I've got a boring job on today :lol:

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 13:45

Richard Morgan had a massive accident against sleepers (on some club track I've forgotten) in 1974 .... car bits, wheels, pieces all over the place and I believe he hurt or broke something in one of his feet/legs?

Anyone recall this?

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 13:52

Originally posted by Stephen W


There were two Wheatcroft F2 cars; the first driven by Brian Henton which was converted to FAt and then used in F3. The second was the Abarth engined car driven by Bob Evans. Both were designed and built by Mike Pilbeam.

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No Steve, the one Henton used in mid-75 at Silverstone was converted FROM an FAt, not into one. It was the same car Richard M had used in FAt, but by mid-year he'd lost that drive to BH. The Evans car was the only one, I think, made specifically as an F2.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 16:41

Originally posted by Direct Drive
Richard Morgan had a massive accident against sleepers (on some club track I've forgotten) in 1974 .... car bits, wheels, pieces all over the place and I believe he hurt or broke something in one of his feet/legs?

Anyone recall this?


Oulton Park in his FF1600? Knickerbrook, maybe??

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 16:41

Originally posted by Direct Drive
Richard Morgan had a massive accident against sleepers (on some club track I've forgotten) in 1974 .... car bits, wheels, pieces all over the place and I believe he hurt or broke something in one of his feet/legs?

Anyone recall this?


My first ever race meeting.....Oulton Park 27th April 1974 ( Date correct I think :confused: )

It was in the days of two heats and a final for every FF1600 Championship race.

In his heat Richard Morgan ploughed straight on at Knickerbrook due to what must have been a mechanical failure.

As this was only the second race I had ever seen ( The first being Heat One ) it was quite a shock and I remember he had to be cut out of the car and I am sure he either broke his leg or ankle

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 19:00

Originally posted by ian senior


Interesting one here, I didn't know that Lotus had Richard in their sights. Not entirely surprising, though, as they were giving contracts of some sort to all kinds of promising drivers at the time - Henton, Crawford, Arnoux, etc. Perhaps Lotus saw them as "trainee Grand Prix drivers" in the same way that Big Lou signed Vern Schuppan up to a dead end some time previously.

The elder Morgan was favoured by Lotus a few years before when he was blessed with a few outings in that wonderful racing car, the "Texaco Star" F2 Lotus. If Ronnie and Emerson couldn't make sense of it, Dave Morgan was hardly in with a chance.


David is still about and taking an interest in Historic racing, as well as his involvement as an occasional race engineer with 'moderns'. He says his favourite car is the Lotus 72 and favourite driver Mad Ronald.

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#40 SEdward

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 19:10

Great, but what about Richard ?

That's the reason I started this thread 5 years ago...

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#41 Stephen W

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 19:16

Originally posted by alansart


According to Formula2.net the 2 races Bob Evans started in 77 (Silverstone and Thruxton) the car was Hart engined.

Can you tell I've got a boring job on today :lol:


OOOPS! The second car was originally seen in 1976 being driven by Brian Henton which was when the Abarth engine was installed.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 19:45

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Some interesting points on here (which makes a change for TNF at present...).

Would you like me to post some more Renault 5TS shots, Dan?

Moving on... I think Phil is correct about the date of Richard's FF1600 accident, April 27 1974. I have the programmes from the previous meeting (April 12, Good Friday), when he was entered in a Ray, and the subsequent event (May 5), when he was down to drive a Ray but listed, obviously, as a non-starter. I have a feeling, though, that he was using a Crosslé for the first time when he had the Oulton shunt. Like Phil, I was a witness. The car turned sharp left at Knickerbrook and there wasn't much run-off then. Nor was there much in the way of a tyre wall...

I got to know Richard quite well during the early 1980s, when he was part of the Racing for Britain set-up, but he simply faded from British motor racing paddocks during the course of that decade.

A few of us on here know David, too (although I don't think I've seen him since we bumped into each other outside a model shop in Croydon several years ago). I'll try to track him down to pose the question about Richard. In the meantime, if anybody else sees him they might perhaps do likewise.

DM gave up his pipe many years ago, incidentally. He promised to stop smoking it in 1990, when he was engineering Eric van de Poele's GA Reynard in F3000. There was a condition, however, in that Eric first had to win a race: he duly did as required, in Pau, whereupon David chucked his pipe in the air. It came down on the track, shortly beyond the finishing line, and van de Poele inadvertently drove over it.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 20:01

Originally posted by Simon Arron
Moving on... I think Phil is correct about the date of Richard's FF1600 accident, April 27 1974. I have the programmes from the previous meeting (April 12, Good Friday), when he was entered in a Ray, and the subsequent event (May 5), when he was down to drive a Ray but listed, obviously, as a non-starter. I have a feeling, though, that he was using a Crosslé for the first time when he had the Oulton shunt.


A 25F, wasn't it? Works-assisted even? I vaguely remember it.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 20:26

Originally posted by BT 35-8
David Morgans Chevron was a B25 , B25-73-04 to be precise


B25-73-04, taken on 5th May 1974, Oulton Park - with B27 bodywork...

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...a poor picture admittedly. Is the car black or blue - I think the former...

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 20:54

According to my programme notes, Jim Crawford (SDC March 73B) won that race from Cyd Williams (Brabham BT40), Tom Walkinshaw (Modus) and Tony Brise (March 733 on big wheels, although oldracingcars.com has him in a Modus). Car #20 finished fifth, according to my scribble, but orc.com has it as #70, Bobby Brown (March 74B). It must have been a late entry and I didn't write those down.

I notice Woody Harris was entered in the Genie, a car of which I have no recollection.

The programme lists the Morgan Chevron as "black", incidentally.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 21:18

Originally posted by Simon Arron
...The programme lists the Morgan Chevron as "black", incidentally.


Phew! :D

Not sure about the Genie, Simon. I have an extremely vague idea it was a yellowy/white/red(?) colour.

I'm surprised Sir Ian Senior hasn't queried this one, especially following his success with the 'Dusty' Rhodes DBR P2 or whatever it was - actually a Taydec I seem to recall.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 21:38

Originally posted by MCS
Not sure about the Genie, Simon. I have an extremely vague idea it was a yellowy/white/red(?) colour.

Purple and yellow according to the prog. Sounds as though Les Nash should have been driving it.

Given that we started out at Richard Morgan, how did we get here?

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 22:01

Usual way, unfortunately.

There doesn't appear to be a thread dedicated to Dave Morgan for some reason.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 22:32

Originally posted by Phil Rainford


My first ever race meeting.....Oulton Park 27th April 1974 ( Date correct I think :confused: )

It was in the days of two heats and a final for every FF1600 Championship race.

In his heat Richard Morgan ploughed straight on at Knickerbrook due to what must have been a mechanical failure.

As this was only the second race I had ever seen ( The first being Heat One ) it was quite a shock and I remember he had to be cut out of the car and I am sure he either broke his leg or ankle

PAR

I was there that day but, from looking at my contact prints, it looks like I did not stray far from Lodge/Deer Leap; if anyone can give me the car number, I might have a shot.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 13:23

Too good a thread to let go! ( Edward, one day someone will come up with news of Richard Morgan......)

Thanks for all the old pictures of Dave and Richard M - happy memories of two quick drivers, and good racing in the 1970s. Andrew, I got cold too at Mallory in 1972, looking at my Timex, trying to work out the gaps and aggregate times for Dave Morgan, Lauda and Reutemann.

While tidying away some books and magazines, I began to leaf through an old Motoring News, the German GP issue from August 1972. It was far too interesting to put down, with features on Alan McCall and the Tui, Alain de Cadenet and the Duckhams, Lance Reventlow's obituary, Ickx's great drive of course and a photo of the Connew being wheeled through the Nurburgring paddock. BB, is one of those three guys you?

On page 2 Alan Henry does a piece on Dave Morgan, in MN's series 'Personality Parade'. It's an interesting read and includes Dave's recollections of childhood pedal car races:

"My younger brother Peter (sic) was a lot better than me. He got the art of drifting the things smoothly. I was all arms and elbows, all over the place......."

So, was 'Richard' known as Peter in the Morgan family, or was there a third talented Morgan brother or has AH, in what seems a very accurate and detailed piece, made a mistake and written 'Peter' when he meant 'Richard'? I think the article suggests that Dave had begun racing in 1965, (in a Mini at Mallory, crashing with friend Simon Ridge) but there is no mention of a younger brother having taken to the tracks. Elsewhere in the paper though, in a Formula Ford race at Brands, won by Mike Catlow, is 'Richard Morgan's translucent Lotus 61', finishing in the top ten. Is this Richard Dave's younger brother? I assume so.

If anybody wants any more information from the 1972 Dave Morgan piece, let me know.