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#151 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 21:31

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Originally posted by rasimmo
Hullo Ray, that pic was taken on Saturday the 28th July 1979 at Robin Orlando Corner, Oran Park, during practice for the 2nd round of the Australian Drivers Championship. KB was entered in the program but I don`t think he raced on Sunday. It`s a scan of an Ektacolor print film negative, so I dont have any EXIF data to back that up ( I love digital cameras ). From very unreliable memory Sandown was on in September 79.


Dick, I wish we'd had that photo when we were doing the F5000 book!

Just looking back over the RCN report on that Oran Park (though I'm not all that sure you can trust the bloke who wrote that...), it discloses the following about practice:
 

After winning the AGP, John Walker should have been the man to beat in this company, but his car suffered engine problems in practice and didn't get a time. Also missing out was Bartlett, KB's refurbished Brabham running up to the clattering of valves hitting pistons. Its new engine had the cam installed a tooth out and was to miss the race.


I wonder if he actually saw the car on practice day? He should have, he only lived up the road and loved F5000s.

He did see it at Sandown, however, and his friend Greg Falconer took this shot (previously seen in this thread and it was used in the F5000 book)...

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Edited by Ray Bell, 23 November 2015 - 21:50.


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 03:02

Many thanks to Doug, Ray, Greg and others who responded to my bit on the BT43/  ;) 

 

Yes, Greg, we did have some fun. In fact my last race in a Formula Vee was at Warwick Farm in the late Garry Campbell's Standfast. About three laps from the fihish I tangled the car's nose/cockpit section against your car's rear wheel in the dust up into Creek Corner. This dislodged the assembly which included the rearvision mirrors. To avoid being "black flagged" I "hid" behind another car as we sailed past race control on Pit Straight. I manged to get away with it. The CEO of CAMS, Donald K Thompson was in the announcer's box at Creek and I think the poor man might have become apoplectic at the sight of the lunatics in  "horizontally-opposed mass suicide". 



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Posted 24 November 2015 - 03:38

I can't believe how much fun we had in those Vee days...on a shoe-string buget. Maybe I forgot to thank you for that little bit of 'help' into Creek Corner   ;)  - it was the best ever 'line' I ever managed. The rear wheel that you nudged was actually Enno's, as he loaned me the rears for the race. Mine didn't pass scutineering. Enno's tyres gripped better than the old Firestones on the front, hence the massive understeer at Creek...Happy Days. :up:

 

Edit :- Sorry about dragging this O T...must have had another 'nostalgia attack'.


Edited by GMACKIE, 24 November 2015 - 03:45.


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 03:48

Edit :- Sorry about dragging this O T...must have had another 'nostalgia attack'.

I for one am glad you did. :-)

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 04:11

So that's how you managed to be at at the sharp end again that day. As we all learned later, tyres made just so much difference.



#156 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 04:16

I so remember you driving around in the breeze, Peter...

And wasn't Gary such a great bloke? A generous man, a great competitor (don't forget he had a Warwick Farm lap record at one time) and a major supporter of the sport and of individuals. All of this while being down to earth and able to tell great stories.

One thing I found in looking at that Sandown report on the race where the BT43 ended its career, the writer noted that in that crash KB ended his ANF1 career 'as it had begun over thirteen years ago - with a crash at Dunlop bridge.' It was also in a Brabham to add to that coincidence.

This intrigued me (the writer must have had a long memory!) so I looked up the detail... Sandown, June 26, 1966, KB's debut in the 2.5-litre Brabham Climax. He'd raced against Spencer before, in the Mildren Maserati racing against the SV 250LM, but this was their first clash in open-wheelers.

It wasn't a Gold Star race, rather a 15-lap prelude to the coming series, though after practice the entry was down to just three 2.5s. Adrian wrote here:
 

Off they went like slot cars into Shell and MacDonald spun the Cooper into the Armco - and then there were two! Martin and Bartlett ran away from the pack, and Jane and Cook [1.5-litre cars] commenced a battle that lasted for eleven laps.

Spencer was timed at 156 down the straight and he soon showed the new boy that experience counts when you get into the big bangers.

He had built up quite a handy advantage over Bartlett when, on lap 8, Kevin spun off the Viaduct bridge and wiped off the right front wheel as he went backwards under the Dunlop bridge.


Spencer had by that time been driving the 2.5s for two years, so I guess that was fair comment, but Kevin quickly caught up and by August he was dicing with Jackie Stewart at Surfers Paradise.

Great times to remember.




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Edited by Ray Bell, 24 November 2015 - 05:54.


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 05:10

Glad I entertained you even in those early days, Ray.

 

You'd be very correct in your assessment of Gary Campbell. We met as competitors in Formula Vee and he was a wonderful raconteur, always ready with a relevant quote and spot on for the subject at hand.... one of his lines was " Look in the rear vision mirror (in a racing car) and you're dead" in my response to my comment that I had seen him in my mirros. Point taken GC..

 

Not only did he enthusiastically give me his beautiful Standfast to drive for the Warwick Farm event circa early 1971 maybe later 1970, but he took me for a flight in his Beech Baron VH-BGC ("Bloody Gary Campbell" instead of "Bravo, Golf Charlie"  in aviation speak) out of Bankstown when I returned home from the UK in 1973. This led to my learning to fly (at Jack Brabham Aviation) after I stopped racing in 1976 and I progressed through to commercial standard.

 

Gary was associated with Ronnie Muir's Aviation Centre and BGC was on the line there. Ronnie introduced me to Col Raftos and the management of Av Centre and I accrued some 65 hours in Barons and Aerostars flying "In command under supervision"  on the bank runs throughout much of eastern NSW.

 

Terribly sadly, I believe Gary lost his life while on approach over the ocean into Albion Park (Wollongong) in one of the Av Centre Aerostars.

 

Some time afterwards BGC met her demise when a couple of young blokes pinched her and flew out to the Bringelly area in the early hours of the morning. They drove the beautiful Beech straight into the ground. If it was more than a shock for us to to open the Sunday papers to see a photo showing the tail letters I cannot imagine the effect the event had on Gary's family and his associates at Av Centre.

 

Gary also put Larry Perkins into his Elfin ANF2 car and, if my memory servies me correctly, LP won the championship.  Later, Gary turned up at the MRD works at Weylock one day in support of LP who was running a Babham at the time in F3.

 

 

One of nature's gentlemen. :)



#158 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 05:22

Yes, Gary helped Garrie Cooper make a star out of Larry...

And at David McKay's suggestion he also paid Carey Thompson's way to England to be Larry's manager there.

Maybe we should get back on topic now?

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 05:38

Many thanks to Doug, Ray, Greg and others who responded to my bit on the BT43/  ;)

 

Yes, Greg, we did have some fun. In fact my last race in a Formula Vee was at Warwick Farm in the late Garry Campbell's Standfast. About three laps from the fihish I tangled the car's nose/cockpit section against your car's rear wheel in the dust up into Creek Corner. This dislodged the assembly which included the rearvision mirrors. To avoid being "black flagged" I "hid" behind another car as we sailed past race control on Pit Straight. I manged to get away with it. The CEO of CAMS, Donald K Thompson was in the announcer's box at Creek and I think the poor man might have become apoplectic at the sight of the lunatics in  "horizontally-opposed mass suicide". 

I know.....off-topic, but anyway....05_zpsss107eth.jpg



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#160 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 08:43

I know.....off-topic, but anyway....05_zpsss107eth.jpg

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Posted 31 January 2016 - 14:58

Just had a read of KB's Wikipedia page and the ex-F1 myth is still given a run to this day :

 

"Bartlett was a fixture of Formula 5000 throughout the 70s with a series of Lolas and briefly a modified Brabham Formula One."

 

Anyone here with Wikipedia access able to correct it?

 

 

Looks like this has been fixed up and also just noticed there is the start of a Brabham BT43 page when previously a Search for this just redirected to the Brabham page.


Edited by oldjonesfan, 31 January 2016 - 14:59.


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 14:00

OK here's an update to my first ever Post in which unfortunately like Murray Walker I was completely mistaken.

 

After much searching on an old laptop three or four times removed I managed to find (yes I am like a dog with a bone sometimes or more accurately a dog that can't find a bone it buried) in an e-mail the contact details of the person who sold the DG300 and suspension components I mentioned in that first post.  The date?  Late May / early June 2010 which is probably right that it was three or four laptops ago given they last me about two years at a time.  Unfortunately I still couldn't find any photos or saving of the listing.

 

Anyway I sent off an email hoping the contact details were the same and yes they were after all this time (well maybe not so surprising as I've had the same personal e-mail since 1998). So it turns out what I probably triggered off for a BT43 association were the words "Brabham", "Number 3", and "crashed in the USA" without actually comprehending the whole story. Briefly in my defence : "Brabham" as obviously it was a Brabham BT43; "Number 3" was the number KB raced it under when it first arrived as shown in at least one of the 1978 photos; and "crashed in the USA" because well it was as we have established crashed by Dick Parsons at Riverside in the USA.

 

Anyway (again) to cut a long story short the actual full explanation was :

 

"The box and extras came from a Repco Brabham engine no 3  raced by Jack and wrecked in the USA I believe. 

 The box and rear end came to Aus. and were put into a BT21 I.m told.That car was then put back to original specs with a buick engine and the parts in question sold to me. "

 

and the ebay auction :

 

"... and sold everything off to some guy in Melbourne."

 

so there you have it.  I put One and One and One together in isolation and came up incorrectly with Bee Tee Forty-Three Dee Gee Three Hundred by the looks of it.

 

Perhaps someone here knows what that DG300 and suspension components came out of in the USA, which BT21 they briefly went into here, and who in Melbourne bought them in 2010?  (To add to of course the continuing mystery of what happened to the BT43's DG300 and rear end bits!)

 

 

 

Better news by the way (that is if it's any good) is that that Wikipedia Brabham BT43 page is currently being reviewed and if approved may be up in a week or two (to replace the blank page redirection to the Brabham page)..



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Posted 06 February 2016 - 01:57

The plot thickens. One small point: There was only one BT43 made. Great to learn that the Wikipedia page is being corrected.  ;)



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Posted 06 February 2016 - 11:18

One small point: There was only one BT43 made.

 

Whereabouts is it referred to in the plural?



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Posted 07 February 2016 - 08:08

Sorry my mistake. I thought the line "Looks like this has been fixed up and also just noticed there is the start of a Brabham BT43 page" referred to "a Brabham BT43". Apologies.



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Posted 07 February 2016 - 08:31

Sorry sometimes - well most times - I write like I talk except the writing doesn't have either the emphasis or appropriate pauses which can easily lead to confusion.


Edited by oldjonesfan, 07 February 2016 - 08:32.


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 15:19

Okay, so we continue to gather information - great. Thanks everybody, as it were.

 

Back to my question/s though.  We now know (or assume, as there is apparently no printed evidence) that  Parsons crashed it at Riverside.  In testing or in practice?  But where?  You would have needed to be pretty precise to seriously damage a car at Riverside.  Did he just damage the nose - is that why KB made some of the changes?

 

Somebody must know...



#168 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 February 2016 - 20:57

I believe the original nose was still on the car in its early races here...

The dramatic changes to the car only happened right at the end.

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 00:38



Okay, so we continue to gather information - great. Thanks everybody, as it were.

 

Back to my question/s though.  We now know (or assume, as there is apparently no printed evidence) that  Parsons crashed it at Riverside.  In testing or in practice?  But where?  You would have needed to be pretty precise to seriously damage a car at Riverside.  Did he just damage the nose - is that why KB made some of the changes?

 

Somebody must know...

 

Well ORC lists Parsons as DNA - Did Not Arrive

 

http://www.oldracing...php?RaceID=L75I

 

so from that it could be concluded that it happened in Testing as if it happened in Practice it would have been recorded as DNS.  (Then again too the RCN Article says it crashed in Practice but I think we can discount this if only because it refers to the BT43 as "a hybrid F1/F5000" which we know is incorrect!)

 

However the plot thickens a bit as this website has a pdf of the Entry List and Parsons is not on it at least as far as my (failing) eyes can see (in others words can someone check this please in case I'm blind to the obvious) :

 

http://www.myf5000.c...erside_1975.pdf

 

Maybe if someone had access to the 6 November 1975 issue of Autosport

 

Autosport magazine 6 November 1975

Volume 61 number 6

Kyalami 1000 Km's .. BMW CSL, Capri RS3100, Ronnie Peterson, Hans Stuck  .. full report

London to Brighton run  .. full report

Riverside IROC  .. full report

Riverside F5000  .. full report

Triumph 2500S road test

Trans-Chaco Rally .. Paraguayan prospects

Geoff Lees profile

1975 Castrol/Autosport Rally Champions .. George Hill

Lydden Rallycross

 

that had the Race Report (or preceding issues to confirm if it did happen before the Race to see if it is mentioned) we might be able to confirm it?

 

The other question that actually needs to be answered too is what nose was on it when it went to the US as in it's last Race in the UK at Silverstone in 1975 it had a BT42 nose on it as shown in Klopfer's book on Page ?? (does anyone a photo of this that is able to be uploaded?) as Lunger did this to it at it's previous Race at Brands :

 

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Whoever's photo this is by the way if you don't approve of it being here I'll delete it.  I saved this from someone's personal photos somewhere in the dialup days of the Internet and failed to take note of whose it was and where I uploaded it from.

 

Yet another question too of course is who did the repairs and where after the Riverside crash before KB tested it in 1976 (and then it appeared in "The Betsy" in 1977) with the "Chevron"(?) style "BMC" badged nose?



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 00:57

I believe the original nose was still on the car in its early races here...

The dramatic changes to the car only happened right at the end.

 

I think saying the "original nose" is a bit like saying ... no I better not make a Michael Jackson reference/"joke" in case I offend someone!

 

My guess is that by following the trail of photos we can establish the different variations of the nose viz :

 

Nose 1

As at Rollout.  As Bob mentions as tested lacked front end grip.

 

Nose 1 Modified

As first raced by in 1974.  Seems to be modified in the middle nose section (under "CROWNE" where the "Brabham" logo is in the Chris Craft photo) by being set back and relatively steeply sloped instead of previously being gently sloped to the front nose cone line (see the David Phipps Rollout photos).

 

Nose 2

Modified BT42 nose fitted for Silverstone 1975 as a result of Lunger Brands shunt.

 

Nose 3

Chevron style BMC badged nose as seen in "The Betsy" photos.

 

Nose 3 Modified

As inferred from the RCN Article KB's Team replaced the "as arrived" nose with a fibreglass version.  Perhaps this is when the Australian made Radiators were fitted too?

 

Nose 4

Lola style as fitted for it's last two Races at Oran Park and Sandown in 1979.


Edited by oldjonesfan, 08 February 2016 - 01:21.


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Posted 08 February 2016 - 01:07

By the way too if anyone is trying to find the Brabham BT43 page on Wikipedia it is still in draft form (and still being developed such as the addition of Results Tables which have been modified from the F1 Templates) waiting to be reviewed (probably about 381st in the queue so may not be approved for some time) so to access it type in 

 

Draft:Brabham BT43

 

in the Wikipedia Search Box and it should come up.

 

(or if you want the direct link it is https://en.wikipedia...ft:Brabham_BT43 )

 

Comments can be made on the "Talk" page unless of course you want to edit it but make sure you have your references and edits annotated otherwise the Wikipedia Gods may not be happy!

 

Remember by the way until it's approved if you type in :

 

Brabham BT43

 

in the Wikipedia Search Box the redirect is still there that just takes you to the general "Brabham" page.  Once the page is reviewed and approved and made live the redirect can be removed.


Edited by oldjonesfan, 08 February 2016 - 01:10.


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Posted 08 February 2016 - 01:34

By the way (while I think of it) does anyone know why (just historical development of the website?) on oldracingcars to get to the BT43 you have to go through F1 and Brabham instead of it being through the F5000 page?



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 02:22

Okay, so we continue to gather information - great. Thanks everybody, as it were.

 

Back to my question/s though.  We now know (or assume, as there is apparently no printed evidence) that  Parsons crashed it at Riverside.  In testing or in practice?  But where?  You would have needed to be pretty precise to seriously damage a car at Riverside.  Did he just damage the nose - is that why KB made some of the changes?

 

Somebody must know...

It is on here somewhere. Kevin modified the car in a quest for speed and balance.



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 04:28

It is on here somewhere. Kevin modified the car in a quest for speed and balance.

 

Yes those mods were made in 1979 but MCS's question was actually in reference to Parsons crash in 1975 which is why I asked if anyone has details of where and when it was repaired after the Parsons crash in 1975 and before it was tested by KB in late 1976 and appeared in "The Betsy" in 1977 as there is no information of that on here.

 

If KB or someone is still in contact with Chuck Jones maybe he knows / can recall or maybe even KB knows?



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 07:37

Sadly, Chuck Jones died last September. KB may know something, but he hasn't posted here for some time.

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 14:36

Sadly, Chuck Jones died last September. KB may know something, but he hasn't posted here for some time.

 

Sorry I wasn't aware.  Very sad indeed.

 

I see KB is on Facebook.  I'm not on and never will be on off your Face Book.  Can anyone contact him through that and ask?



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 14:49

Was just looking on YouTube to see if I could find anything showing the start of a 1980ish ABC Motorsport coverage if not the 1979 Sandown Race to find footage of the crash but no luck thus far however did find a better copy (well it appears to be a recording of the original coverage actually) of the 1978 AGP rather than the one I posted earlier which (was a repeat on ABC2 Late Night Legends) :

 

 

Also found a good copy of the 1977 Rothmans International at Sandown as well which was better quality than one that was previously there.  Great to see the quality improving all the time.  Just wondering actually if some of these have been sourced by people from the ABC Archives as I remember seeing a list floating around years ago of the Motorsport coverages held in the ABC Archives that you could actually purchase for a Fee (that had to cover someone copying them so it wasn't cheap!).  From memory there were a fair few F5000 races.  Does anyone in Australia remember seeing such a list?

 

(Actually if I hadn't lost the phone number of a school mate from the 70s who Brother is pretty high up in the production side of the ABC now I could have asked him to ask his Brother if there was access to the ABC Motorsport Archives such as this.)



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 23:22

Hello People :

 

Need some help to confirm some of the Specifications (Fuel Capacity, Weight, wheel sizes etc) and Dimensions (WB, F and R Track) of the BT43.  I do have most of the numbers but can't recall where they came from.  If anyone is able to help confirming the numbers and Reference/s it would be much appreciated.

 

Also need help to confirm what brand of tyres were used when and where.  Have zoomed on the various photos but this did not yield conclusive results so again any help in this area from people in the know would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.



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Posted 09 February 2016 - 12:32

A late '73 A/Sport reported that Fred Opert was hoping to run a 2 car team of BT43s in US F5000 for the 74 series, Reuteman and W Fittipaldi being mentioned. Was this just gossip, or any reality to it I wonder? Fast Freddie never ventured into 5000/CanAm did he?

 

Hello Mallory Dan :

 

Tried to send a PM about this but it said it can't be sent.

 

Would you know the issue that this story was in?

 

Thanks



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Posted 23 February 2016 - 12:15

With thanks to "Tom" in Scotland there was an Article on the BT43 with yet another (different) roll out photo in Motoring News on October 25, 1973 (which places the BT43's roll out well before the BT44's "(j)ust before Christmas 1973" "unwrapping").

 

Must be a very interesting story then of why it took so long to debut?

 

As soon as I sort out an issue with uploading I'll post the Article here.



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Posted 27 February 2016 - 09:42

Given the Wiki page development by oldjonesfan I thought I’d add a few names to the list of people who contributed to building the BT43. The monocoque was made by Nick Goozée. Nick had been at Motor Racing developments since December 1963 and was responsible for building the early F1 (BT33, 42, 44) and Indy (BT32) monocoques as well as suspension components. Nick was a meticulous worker and his products were pieces of industrial artwork. He went on to Penske UK in 1974 along with Geoff Ferris and later Derek Walker (ex Brabham F1 team) https://gordonkirby....t_is_no517.html

 

Nick delivered a quite moving eulogy at the Sir Jack Brabham Memorial on Friday 24 October 2014 http://www.brabham.c...-goozees-story/ .

 

Others involved in BT43 work included ace aluminium workers Peter and Fred Bedding. Pete was in his 50’s and Fred (Pete’s father) was well into his 80’s. They worked as a team of two, churning out oil tanks (for the dry sump engines), mostly in 18SWG (1.22mm) soft aluminium but many also in 20SWG (0.91mm). These tanks were hand formed and the seams were gas welded. Try using an oxy-acetylene torch to weld 20SWG soft aluminium sometime and you’ll appreciate their skills! Fred and Pete wore collars and ties during work in the sound English tradition. They also produced many of the monocoque skins and panels, particularly the compound curved outer skins of the later BT33s 9BT33-2 and BT33-3). These were formed using an English Wheel https://en.wikipedia...i/English_wheel and involved hours of working half-hard aluminium sheets to form the finished shapes. Fred told me once that he learned his skills forming up the compound curves of bus roof corners, beaten out on a big sand bag. What a pair they were.

 

Ron Cousins (or was it Couzens?) was the in-house fine machinist and he produced many of the turned and milled components used on the F1 and Indy cars. Some items were outsourced to machine shops such as Jack Knight for machining things like magnesium wheels, suspension uprights and steering rack housings as well as wheel hubs and some driveshaft components.

 

Mick Brown was the demon welder. Mick could stick anything to anything and did it all with great care but raucous along with it.

 

Yet another who helped a lot with the BT43 build was David Williamson. David was younger than I and was a keen and indefatigable worker. He was about as wide as a radius arm and I remember when we were towing BT43-1 on a car trailer behind one of the MRD transit vans, heading to the first run at misty Silverstone with John Watson to drive, we stopped off at one of the M1service centres. David ate the biggest breakfast I think I’ve ever seen, even bigger than the one at Central Café in Queanbeyan NSW https://www.tripadvi...outh_Wales.html. David also helped when I was packing up to return to Australia in November 1974 by taking all of my motoring consumables (oil, grease, fluids, paint etc) left over after building one of the Gordon Murray designed IGM Minbugs https://books.google... minbug&f=false

 

The BT43 wasn’t quite the last car out of the MRD production shop. After Bernie closed the production side down and we let all of the workers ‘go’, I pottered around doing odds and ends for the F1 team cars. The last vehicle to emerge from my efforts was the infamous BT44.5, the Pit Trolley in 1974. I mentioned this in one of my earlier postings. This was another Gordon Murray design and was intended for use to transport wheels, fuel churns and tools etc. around the pits. It was simple spaceframe design, with rack and pinon steering (modified Brabham parts), Momo steering wheel, single cylinder Briggs and Stratton electric start engine, driving through a three-speed BSA gearbox (pre-unitary) to a single double-tyred drive wheel at the rear. It was essentially a three-wheeler but had outrigger rear wheels for stability so I guess it was a five-wheeler. Bodywork was in fibreglass as well as an aluminium deck. There was also a matching 2 wheeled trailer.

 

This pic shows the finished product on roll-out.

 

http://i.imgur.com/rPvNOuT.jpg

 

 

This an article from Motoring News 24 May 1974 that we ‘seeded’

 

http://i.imgur.com/YYkeeWP.jpg

 

This one shows it in use -- not quite sure where but the driver is Gary Anderson https://en.wikipedia...on_(motorsport) , Herbie Blash and https://en.wikipedia...ki/Herbie_Blash, Derrick Walker https://en.wikipedia.../Derrick_Walker . I can’t recall who the others were

 

http://i.imgur.com/lcJvDAP.jpg

 

And this final one shows Graham Hill having a ride in 1974 https://en.wikipedia...iki/Graham_Hill . I can’t recall who the other two guys are.

 

http://i.imgur.com/HNCyLnH.jpg

 

I hope the images work.

 

 

I’m heading for 70 in a month or so yet these memories are reasonably clear. 


Edited by BobPaton, 27 February 2016 - 09:49.


#182 planeimages

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Posted 28 February 2016 - 06:36

Hi Bob,

 

I remember working with you through the earlier part of 1973. You put me on the detailing bench and I learned ever so much.

 

You may also recall Stan Mackie who looked after the stores.

 

Cheers

 

Peter Finlay



#183 BobPaton

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Posted 28 February 2016 - 07:05

I do remember you Peter. You too were one of those who'd have a go at anything and did it with a smile! I've been stalking your professional progress for years.

 

I wasn't trying to post an exhaustive list of MRD folk but more the ones who had a major role in the BT43 build (in keeping with this topic).  I certainly remember Stan - great humour but crude as....

 

Oldjonesfan recently pointed me to an obituary for Harold Mendel - now that was a shock. Another great, laconic and delightful person. 

http://www.brdc.co.u...l---1948---2015

 

It seems that more and more are passing on and looking at Graham Hill's Wiki page lsast night brought back the memories from late November 1975 when his plane went in and all were killed, including Terry ("Tugger") Richards who was best man at my (first) wedding. Also Tony Brise who was REALLY fast - another Jocken Rindt, Ronnie Peterson, Roger Williamson type.



#184 E1pix

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Posted 28 February 2016 - 07:15

Thank You, Bob Paton, for your lovely post (Edit: #181) -- and for honoring the all-too-often unsung heroes who make wheels spin.

Much appreciated!!!

Edited by E1pix, 28 February 2016 - 07:18.


#185 planeimages

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Posted 28 February 2016 - 07:20

Thank you, too, Bob, for your very kind words. It was quite something to return to MRD and be fitted into the narrow-track F3 car. What a pity pretty much everything died at MRD about then.

 

I still have a few "Brabham" tools in my kit..Aluminium drifts and so forth.

 

The Palliser was restored by Peter Hill in Melbourne several years ago and it was raced in Historics quite successfully. The last owner I am aware of is Brian Sampson.

 

All the best.

 

Cheers

 

Peter :yawnface:

 

BTW Australian Tony Alcock, the Birrana man was also on the GH flight if I recall correctly.



#186 oldjonesfan

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Posted 22 April 2016 - 12:14

Forgot to mention the page as been reviewed and approved so it is "live" (Bob's photo though still hasn't been reinstated - must follow that up with the Wikipedia Gods (or their Angels or Demons depending on who you are dealing with!).

 

Just type in "Brabham BT43" in the Search field and wullah! it should be there.

 

Any comments or corrections would be much appreciated.  Don't blame me for everything there by the way as others have already edited it so if the wording or terminology is not spot on it what did Shaggy say "It wasn't Me!".  As mentioned before you can make comments on the "Talk" Tab.  If you are on Wikipedia you can make corrections so long as you have your References.  Otherwise if you aren't on Wikipedia just let me know here and I'll fix it up.

 

(Oh and by the way I created a Geoff Ferris page as well because when I went to link his Name on the page to "his" page strangely it didn't exist!  So that omission has been corrected now.)



#187 oldjonesfan

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Posted 18 May 2016 - 11:37

Bob's uploaded photo has been accepted on Wikipedia Commons so I've linked it in the "Infobox".



#188 oldjonesfan

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 10:00

Just found this which has a couple of glimpses of the BT43 driven by Chris Craft : 

 



#189 StanBarrett2

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 11:57

Piece out of Autosport on the car's roll out at MRD

BT43.jpg

 

macoran



#190 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 22:25

Just found this which has a couple of glimpses of the BT43 driven by Chris Craft : 

 

The sound is  dubbed, sounds f1 not 5000! 

Is that Chevron the one Tom Tweedie drives very well these days?


Edited by Lee Nicolle, 04 January 2018 - 22:26.


#191 oldjonesfan

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 09:25

Piece out of Autosport on the car's roll out at MRD

BT43.jpg

 

macoran

 

Hello macoran : 

 

Thank-you for that however the image doesn't download for me for some reason.  Would you know the date of the Autosport issue?



#192 oldjonesfan

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 09:27

The sound is  dubbed, sounds f1 not 5000! 

Is that Chevron the one Tom Tweedie drives very well these days?

 

According to the Race Report and Car History it is :

 

http://www.oldracing...php?RaceID=E74R

 

http://www.oldracing...om/chevron/b24/



#193 oldjonesfan

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 09:34

Came across this passage too from "Brocky" by David Hassall : 

 

"Much to his regret, Peter never did get to race an F5000, though.  The only offer that came his way was for the 1979 Rothmans Series in the Brabham BT43 that former national champion Kevin Bartlett had been campaigning.  Seven years earlier he would have jumped at the chance, but turned it down because the car was "a bit junky".".

 

There is another paragraph but don't wanted to quote too much in case of breaking any quotation rules.



#194 Tim Murray

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 09:51

Thank-you for that however the image doesn't download for me for some reason.  Would you know the date of the Autosport issue?


Works OK for me. The Autosport issue is dated October 25 1973.

#195 oldjonesfan

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:47

Works OK for me. The Autosport issue is dated October 25 1973.

 

Thanks Tim.  It did finally download for me and I was able to zoom in and see the date.  Thought I had posted a "scratch that" post when it did download but I must not have hit "Post".

 

Great to see that the dimensions quoted match those in the Brabham information assembled by Cirrus on an Excel Sheet from a hand written document by Gordon Murray.



#196 oldjonesfan

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 14:35

According to the Race Report and Car History it is :

 

http://www.oldracing...php?RaceID=E74R

 

http://www.oldracing...om/chevron/b24/

 

I don't know how many times I have looked at those results but I must be getting old as only just remembered that Alan Jones was in that Race!

 

Just looked at that video and sure enough you can also see some glimpses of him.



#197 oldjonesfan

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 14:18

Another Rothmans Round has turned up on YouTube with the BT43 in it this time 1979 at AIR with Colin Bond driving : 

 



#198 oldjonesfan

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 14:31

And the same Poster has an original version of the 1979 Oran Park Rothmans Round (linked previously to another version of this telecast) : 

 



#199 oldjonesfan

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 14:32

Still looking for any 1980 telecasts introductions that show the BT43 going into the catch fencing ... 

 

Might contact the ABC and see what they have in the Archives.  



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#200 oldjonesfan

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 11:05

OK contacted the ABC and they responded straight away asking for more details and will get back to me with a Quote for a Researcher to have a look for the actual telecast (they have the year before's AGP and Hang Ten 400 at Sandown listed as available in the on-line Archive) and any 1980 Motorsport Introductions.