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[Hugo Boecker]

Hello friends from the north,

I'm searching for informations about a swedish driver.
Per Gunnar Wahlberg
he had a fatal acciden in Sep (?) 1956 at Solvalla Travbana.
He raced sometimes in Germany and brought the Holbein BMW HH48 a F2 Special from the early 50's and raced in skandinavian formula free races.

Has any of you Informations about
the driver
the car
the races
or additional informations


Thanks in advance

[Udo K.]

All I have about him is his victory in the Norway GP at Gardemoen on 28th August 1949 in a BMW 328. Second in Helsinki (Djurgaards) May 8th 1949 also in his 328.

Then in 1950 he was driving a 328 in the German Sportscar GP (2-Litre class) and came 5th.

Again Djurgaards May 10th 1953: 5th in a Veritas.

And that's it. I now leave the field to our Scandinavian friends.

[pingst]

Gunnar Wahlberg was born in 30 june 1913 in Arla, small place near the town Eskilstuna. He was farmer. He was only driving different models of BMW. One of his most famous race was Grosser Preis on Deutschland on Nurnburg ring. It was 21 cars in the race and he drove the oldest(a BMW before the war). He was placed in the fitht place. He last victory was in a icerace near his home (11 mars 1956). His car was a BMW-Veritas. His last race was i Solvalla in Stockholm(13 may 1956). He was killed in fatal accident.

He was one of the best driver in Sweden and a real gentlemandriver. People who had seen him driving told that all look so easy and drove his car i a "soft" way. I will search for more information about him in my archive.

[Stefan Ornerdal]

A picture of Wahlberg's car can be found here:
http://forums.atlasf...Gunnar Wahlberg

Results from "Djurgardsloppet" in Finland can be found here.
http://www.formula2.net/F253_11.htm

Wahlberg drove a BMW 328 succesfully on ice and in rallys in Scandinavia in the early fifties.

"Solvallaloppet" on the trotter-track Solvalla in Stockholm was a annual race which attracted huge crowds. However, car racing was not on the top of the bill. Motorcycle races, "Longtrack" or "Sandbahn-Rennen" was the most popular attraction. It was basically speedwaybikes with a gearbox.

There was a couple of fatal accidents, high speed and only hay-bales. Fritz Löfqvist was a famous speedwayrider who crashed fatally. His son, Christer Löfqvist was also an international top-star, but he sadly died of cancer at quite a young age.

Not much about Gunnar Wahlberg and the HH48, I'm afraid, but I shall try to find out more.

Stefan

[Hugo Boecker]

Thanks Stefan and pingst Great

I'm really intersted in this famos BMW Veritas, wich seems to be the Holbein HH48

http://cp.hoca.de/pd...aben/21-100.pdf

[Tomas Karlsson]

Gunnar Wahlberg had a 1,5 litre Veritas (ex-Helm Glöckler). In 53 he got this HH48 F2-car which he raced in the Nordic Special class. But 53 was the last year for the Specials and in 54 Wahlberg only raced his Veritas. During the winter 54-55 he had the F2-car rebuilt as a sportscar, with a completely new body, and put the highly-tuned race-engine from the Veritas in it.
Wahlberg used to let his mechanic race the second car and at Solvalla in 56, Lewis Helldring drove the Veritas.

[Hugo Boecker]

Originally posted by Tomas Karlsson
Gunnar Wahlberg had a 1,5 litre Veritas (ex-Helm Glöckler). In 53 he got this HH48 F2-car which he raced in the Nordic Special class. But 53 was the last year for the Specials and in 54 Wahlberg only raced his Veritas. During the winter 54-55 he had the F2-car rebuilt as a sportscar, with a completely new body, and put the highly-tuned race-engine from the Veritas in it.
Wahlberg used to let his mechanic race the second car and at Solvalla in 56, Lewis Helldring drove the Veritas.

GREAT -- IMPRESSIV -- SUPER --


any pics of the sportscar !!

[Tomas Karlsson]

Sorry, I've only got a blurry newspaper picture. Just enough to recognize it, when I find a real photo.
There might even exist pictures in Germany. According to Helldring, they took the sportscar, along with the Veritas, to a race at Nürburgring in 1955. I don't know which race that could have been. Anyone?
By the way, Wahlberg was one of the most succesful sportscar drivers in Scandinavia in the late forties and early fifties in his BMWs, and made several trips down to Germany and the Nürburgring races. In 1951 he owned a Swedish-built BMW-driven F2-car. And on one of his trips he took this car with him to a race at Nürburgring. I don't think he started, but on the other hand I haven't been able to find what race that could have been. Is there someone who knows?

[uechtel]

Sorry, I've only got a blurry newspaper picture. Just enough to recognize it, when I find a real photo.
There might even exist pictures in Germany. According to Helldring, they took the sportscar, along with the Veritas, to a race at Nürburgring in 1955. I don't know which race that could have been. Anyone?

Interesting to read this and at the same time quite confusing.

In 1955 we had only the Eifelrennen (29.5.) and the 500 km (28.8.) as the GP was cancelled.

Swedish entrants in 1500 cc categories:

Eifelrennen

GT- / Spezial-Serien-Tourenwagen bis 1600 cc:
Carl Lund / Porsche


500 km

Serien- / Renn-Sport-Wagen bis 1500 cc:
Gert Kaiser / Porsche

GT- / Spezial-Touren-Wagen bis 1600 cc:
Harald Kronegaard / Porsche
Carl Lund / Porsche

So how sure are you it was 1955?

By the way, Wahlberg was one of the most succesful sportscar drivers in Scandinavia in the late forties and early fifties in his BMWs, and made several trips down to Germany and the Nürburgring races. In 1951 he owned a Swedish-built BMW-driven F2-car. And on one of his trips he took this car with him to a race at Nürburgring. I don't think he started, but on the other hand I haven't been able to find what race that could have been. Is there someone who knows?

Just what I have of information of him:

8.5.49 Helsinki: 2nd / BMW 328 (bought in 1949 - does anybody know the previous owner?)
20.8.50 German GP (sc 2,0 l) : 5th / BMW 328

I think it´s him in the back of the following picture, as the other BMW 328, driven by Bechem, had started from the front row:


27.8.50 Oslo: 1st / BMW 328
6.5.51 Helsinki: dnf / Veritas? (already Veritas???)
3.6.51 Eifelrennen
F2: dns / "BMW" (certainly the F2 Special you have mentioned?)
SC 2l: 7th / BMW 328

To be seen on the outside of the grid in this picture:


5.8.51 Schauinsland (F2) : dna / BLG-BMW
11.5.52 Helsinki (SC 2l) : 4th / Veritas RS
25.5.52 Eifelrennen (SC 2l) : BMW 328 (qualified 12th on the grid, but no result available)
3.8.52 German GP (SC 1.5 l) : Veritas RS (again no result available).

Is it the car in the centre on the following picture?


10.5.53 Helsinki
F2: 2nd / HH 48
SC 2l: 5th / Veritas RS

2.8.53 German GP (SC 1.5 l) : ? / Veritas RS (no result available)
23.5.54 Hedemora: 5th / Veritas RS
13.5.56 Solvalla: fatal accident / HH 48

Also I have this picture of him in the HH 48, No. 17, obviously at an ice race, but I do not know the location or the date of the event. At least the car seems to be very much unchanged so I assume 1953/54.



And here is an other picture of two BMW 328, probably again at some ice race. Looking at the license plate I think it´s again him, but I again I do not know where and when neither who is the driver in the second car.



It should have been taken winter 1951/52 or earlier, as it appeared in a brief article in Swiss "Automobil Revue" early in 1952, but with a not very informative caption. So perhaps you can help me on this one.

[Tomas Karlsson]

So how sure are you it was 1955?

No I am not sure if it was in 1955, since I haven't found the race yet. It was just an assumption. If it was in '56 it must have been before May 13th. Or could it have been another race in Germany? The first race for the car in Sweden was in september '55, so it could well have been in 56. Do you have any race there that could fit?

I have found about 80 races that Wahlberg was entered in between 1947 and 1956. And he won a lot of them.

Most of them was on Swedish ice-tracks but here are the missing races on real racetracks:

30.5.48 Skarpnäck: DNS Ford V8

8.5.49 Helsinki: 2nd BMW 328
29.5.49 Skarpnäck: 1st BMW 328
28.8.49 Norges GP, Gardemoen: 1st BMW 328
11.9.49 Köpenhamns GP, Kastrup: 1st BMW 328

4.6.50 Kanonloppet, Karlskoga: 1st BMW 328
11.6.50 Norges GP, Gardemoen: 1st BMW 328

7.5.51 Helsinki: Nordic Special - Ret. BLG 2000 (the F2 car- the car was built by Bertil Lundberg and he raced in the 1950 German GP with it)

11.5.52 Helsinki: F1 - 7th TM Spl (Nordic special)
11.5.52 Helsinki: sports -2000cc - 2nd Veritas RS
25.5.52 Nürburgring: 9th (?) Veritas RS The German Veritas-driver Josef Hackenberg was killed in this race after a collision with another Swede, Valdemar Stener. Stener finished in 8th place according to Swedish reports. But he had a 2-litre Ferrari...?
14.9.52 Skarpnäck: sports -1500cc - 1st Veritas RS

10.5.53 Helsinki: F!/2 - 6th HH48
10.5.53 Helsinki: sports -2000 cc - 5th Veritas RS

23.5.54 Hedemora: 9th ( 5th IC ) Veritas RS

5.6.55 Roskilde: Ret. Veritas RS
21.8.55 Roskilde: sports -2000 - (no result) Veritas RS
4.9.55 Skarpnäck: sports -2000cc - Ret. BMW Spl (ex-HH48)

The Veritas was yellow with blue sides and with three blue stripes across the hood. It had a headrest and when it was delivered to Sweden, there was even a canopy over the cock-pit. So it dosen't seem to be the car in your start-picture.

The picture of the HH is probably from Mälarloppet 8.3.53. An ice-race near Eskilstuna.

The other picture is from Flatenloppet outside of Stockholm 18.2.51. Wahlberg dominated the race for sportscars -2000cc together with his mechanic, Rune Bertilsson, in Wahlbergs second car. He had two BMW 328s, both with a previous Swedish history. But one of them had a more tuned engine then the other.

[Hugo Boecker]

In 1955 there was reduce program of races all over Europe from June on due to the Le Mans desaster. But there may be some minor or clubraces may be in conjunktion with bike races, like Preis von Köln or Bergischer Löwe in later days. A look at some ring websites brought no evidence. I'll take a closer look.

[uechtel]

Originally posted by Hugo Boecker
In 1955 there was reduce program of races all over Europe from June on due to the Le Mans desaster. But there may be some minor or clubraces may be in conjunktion with bike races, like Preis von Köln or Bergischer Löwe in later days. A look at some ring websites brought no evidence. I'll take a closer look.

Seems you are right:

http://www.formel3gu...ogrammhefte.htm

Indeed not very many races in the second haflf of 1955. Also not much before 13.5.1956:

http://www.formel3gu...ogrammhefte.htm

Alas, there are only the covers and my own collection is only very fragmentaric after 1953

[uechtel]

Tomas, thanks for the list. Superb!

Originally posted by Tomas Karlsson

No I am not sure if it was in 1955, since I haven't found the race yet. It was just an assumption. If it was in '56 it must have been before May 13th. Or could it have been another race in Germany? The first race for the car in Sweden was in september '55, so it could well have been in 56. Do you have any race there that could fit?

Nothing of that jumps into my eye. Also I have already posted all occasions I have him in my records.

I have found about 80 races that Wahlberg was entered in between 1947 and 1956. And he won a lot of them.

Most of them was on Swedish ice-tracks but here are the missing races on real racetracks:

30.5.48 Skarpnäck: DNS Ford V8

8.5.49 Helsinki: 2nd BMW 328
29.5.49 Skarpnäck: 1st BMW 328
28.8.49 Norges GP, Gardemoen: 1st BMW 328
11.9.49 Köpenhamns GP, Kastrup: 1st BMW 328

4.6.50 Kanonloppet, Karlskoga: 1st BMW 328
11.6.50 Norges GP, Gardemoen: 1st BMW 328

7.5.51 Helsinki: Nordic Special - Ret. BLG 2000 (the F2 car- the car was built by Bertil Lundberg and he raced in the 1950 German GP with it)

11.5.52 Helsinki: F1 - 7th TM Spl (Nordic special)
11.5.52 Helsinki: sports -2000cc - 2nd Veritas RS
25.5.52 Nürburgring: 9th (?) Veritas RS The German Veritas-driver Josef Hackenberg was killed in this race after a collision with another Swede, Valdemar Stener. Stener finished in 8th place according to Swedish reports. But he had a 2-litre Ferrari...?

I had only information about Hackenberg´s accident so far and I knew about Stener´s involvement, but no information about Wahlberg´s presence neither about Stener´s car.

14.9.52 Skarpnäck: sports -1500cc - 1st Veritas RS

10.5.53 Helsinki: F!/2 - 6th HH48
10.5.53 Helsinki: sports -2000 cc - 5th Veritas RS

23.5.54 Hedemora: 9th ( 5th IC ) Veritas RS

5.6.55 Roskilde: Ret. Veritas RS
21.8.55 Roskilde: sports -2000 - (no result) Veritas RS
4.9.55 Skarpnäck: sports -2000cc - Ret. BMW Spl (ex-HH48)

Again big thank you for completing my records!

The Veritas was yellow with blue sides and with three blue stripes across the hood. It had a headrest and when it was delivered to Sweden, there was even a canopy over the cock-pit. So it dosen't seem to be the car in your start-picture.

Interesting to read this, as I never heard the Glöckler car had been fitted with such a thing. Mots famous full-closed-cockpit Veritas is of course Ulmen´s car at the Grenzlandring and the Avus 1952, together with Hockenheim the only tracks where this would have been an advantage.

The picture of the HH is probably from Mälarloppet 8.3.53. An ice-race near Eskilstuna.

The other picture is from Flatenloppet outside of Stockholm 18.2.51. Wahlberg dominated the race for sportscars -2000cc together with his mechanic, Rune Bertilsson, in Wahlbergs second car. He had two BMW 328s, both with a previous Swedish history. But one of them had a more tuned engine then the other.

Another two long-term mysteries solved!

[Hugo Boecker]

I have heared about a Veritas Coupe standing in the Allan Söderström Museum at Malmö at about 1995. The Museum was closed at about that time. Perhaps Glöckler had a private car and sold this together with the 1,5 car #51995. This car could have had a tuned 2 Liter Engine. The deal must have happend in 1950, because I've no evidence that Glöckler raced his 1,5 in Germany later. Was the deal place during the German Grand Prix 1950 ?

[Tomas Karlsson]

I had only information about Hackenberg´s accident so far and I knew about Stener´s involvement, but no information about Wahlberg´s presence neither about Stener´s car.

There are a Swedish race report from that race with pictures of Stener (Ferrari 166MM #7), Wahlberg (Veritas RS) and Hackenberg (Veritas RS #15), but I am not sure about the results (8th and 9th) since I don't know if they raced in seperate classes or not.

Interesting to read this, as I never heard the Glöckler car had been fitted with such a thing. Mots famous full-closed-cockpit Veritas is of course Ulmen´s car at the Grenzlandring and the Avus 1952, together with Hockenheim the only tracks where this would have been an advantage.

I have no idea if this little plexi-glass bubble ever had been used in a race. Could the car have been used in record-breaking? It wasn't used in Sweden anyway.

I have heared about a Veritas Coupe standing in the Allan Söderström Museum at Malmö at about 1995. The Museum was closed at about that time. Perhaps Glöckler had a private car and sold this together with the 1,5 car #51995. This car could have had a tuned 2 Liter Engine. The deal must have happend in 1950, because I've no evidence that Glöckler raced his 1,5 in Germany later. Was the deal place during the German Grand Prix 1950 ?

I think the deal was done at the German GP, but I have no facts to confirm that. The car first showed up in Sweden in early 1951 though. And I don't know if there were any other car involved.

[uechtel]

Originally posted by Tomas Karlsson
There are a Swedish race report from that race with pictures of Stener (Ferrari 166MM #7), Wahlberg (Veritas RS) and Hackenberg (Veritas RS #15), but I am not sure about the results (8th and 9th) since I don't know if they raced in seperate classes or not.

Wahlberg started in the 1500 cc class. Strangely in the race programm his car is named as "BMW".

To see the picture would be great. Are you able to do a scan?

[Hugo Boecker]

Originally posted by Tomas Karlsson
Sorry, I've only got a blurry newspaper picture. Just enough to recognize it, when I find a real photo.
There might even exist pictures in Germany. According to Helldring, they took the sportscar, along with the Veritas, to a race at Nürburgring in 1955. I don't know which race that could have been. Anyone?
By the way, Wahlberg was one of the most succesful sportscar drivers in Scandinavia in the late forties and early fifties in his BMWs, and made several trips down to Germany and the Nürburgring races. In 1951 he owned a Swedish-built BMW-driven F2-car. And on one of his trips he took this car with him to a race at Nürburgring. I don't think he started, but on the other hand I haven't been able to find what race that could have been. Is there someone who knows?

Hi Tomas,

The Suisse ACS held some famos international driving instruktion at Campione at Lago Lugano Theese were attended by a lot of coming and established drivers. Here is a picture , I think from 54.


Can we suppose that there was such an event at the Nürburgring. i knew in later years the Scuderia Hanseat held driver-lessons threre Instruktors were Taffy von Trips, Hans Stuck sr. and even Bernd Rosemeyer's son .

so long

[Tomas Karlsson]

Hello again!

I hope I will be able to scan some pictures, as soon as I have learned how this image-program works.

Can we suppose that there was such an event at the Nürburgring. i knew in later years the Scuderia Hanseat held driver-lessons threre Instruktors were Taffy von Trips, Hans Stuck sr. and even Bernd Rosemeyer's son .

I have no idea.
I had a look again in my papers, and Helldring told me that they were at a race at Nürburgring in the autumn of 55 with the newly built BMW spl and the Veritas.
At the Nürburgring 500, there was a sportscar-class. Won by Behra in the new Maserati 150S. And the german-born Swede Gert Kaiser raced his Porsche 550 Spyder to seventh place in that class. Are you all sure that it couldn't have been that race?
According to Helldring the new car attracted some attention by the German public. So I suppose a German motor magazine from that time, could be of some help.

By the way, Wahlberg had a taxi business. That's why he could afford to have a professional mechanic.

[P 4 Staff]

Hi.
It´s a small world...is´nt it.
I happen to know Per Gunnar Wahlbergs daughter...allthough I have not seen her in about 10 years or so.
Her husband repaired my Porsche Carrera...so we became friends.
I remember that she once showed me a photo-album with those BMW-cars.
I meet her husband now and then out on town...so I will ask him about this.
Best: Staff.

[Hugo Boecker]

From: http://wsrp.wz.cz/german.html

500 km Nürburgring
ADAC Internationales 500 KM Rennen, Nürburgring Date: 28.8.1955

Started: 61 (S1.5 - 20, S750 - 6, GT1.6 - 15, GT1.3 - 11, T1.0 - 5)

we found for the 1.5 Sportscar class:

1. 16 Jean Behra (F) Maserati 150S 1656? Maserati 22 4:02:30,400 1. S1.5 1. 10:27,200
2. - Richard von Frankenberg (D) Porsche 550 22 4:04:29,800 2. S1.5
3. - A. Rosenhammer (DDR)/E. Barth (DDR) EMW R3/55 22 4:06:12,800 3. S1.5
4. - Paul Thiel (DDR) EMW R3/55 22 4:09:17,000 4. S1.5
5. - Wolfgang Seidel (D) Porsche 550 22 4:09:24,300 5. S1.5
6. - Herbert Linge (D) Porsche 550 22 4:09:53,900 6. S1.5
7. - Gert Kaiser (S) Porsche 550 21 7. S1.5
8. - Josef Jeser (D) Porsche 21 8. S1.5
9. - Robert Dutoit (F) Porsche 550 21 9. S1.5
10. - José A. Nogueira Pinto (P) Porsche 550 21 10. S1.5
11. - Lautenschlager Porsche 550 21 11. S1.5
12. - Binner EMW 20 12. S1.5
13. - Hezemans Porsche 20 13. S1.5

Did not finish:

- Edgar Barth (DDR) EMW R3/55 S1.5 2.

Other starters:
- Huschke von Hanstein (D) Porsche 550 S1.5
- xxx Kieft - MG S1.5

theese are 16 still missing 4

Is there anyone comming forward with a raceprogramm copy or an offical entry list.

The Kieft could be Hans Finke who raced a Kieft-MG at the Eifelrennen in May. But I don't know if it was a works entry or if Finke brought one of the old Monkey-Stable Kieft MGs.

[uechtel]

Originally posted by Hugo Boecker


Is there anyone comming forward with a raceprogramm copy or an offical entry list.

Me!









But only these pages, so I don´t know whether that´s complete.

[uechtel]

Originally posted by P 4 Staff
Hi.
It´s a small world...is´nt it.
I happen to know Per Gunnar Wahlbergs daughter...allthough I have not seen her in about 10 years or so.
Her husband repaired my Porsche Carrera...so we became friends.
I remember that she once showed me a photo-album with those BMW-cars.
I meet her husband now and then out on town...so I will ask him about this.
Best: Staff.

Would be wonderful. Perhaps he / she can help us to sort them all out. This Veritas / BMW / HH 48 is quite confusing. Also I´d love to see a picture of the HH 48 in converted form.

[Hugo Boecker]

Whow !!
Very intersting but the is no Wahlberg on the list. But another thing caught my eye !
car #19 Johannes Westhof Wolf
--- Westhof was a regular starter with Veritas cars in the early 50's
--- Richard Wolf started/non-started the 1950 Solitude GP with a HH49
--- There was an Entry for Wolf #517 Veritas in the 1954 Mille Miglia.

Veriats collapsed for good at the end of 1953. Sure there was some legal action provuiding the name. Could Wolf/Wahlberg built up one car from all the parts they had and name it WOLF and Westhof let Wahlberg race ?

[Tomas Karlsson]

Veriats collapsed for good at the end of 1953. Sure there was some legal action provuiding the name. Could Wolf/Wahlberg built up one car from all the parts they had and name it WOLF and Westhof let Wahlberg race ?

Ooops! Don't get carried away! According to Wahlbergs mechanic, they took the new car to Nürburgring. Was there no more race there in the autumn of 55?

Here are some pictures (I hope):


The BMW Spl


The BLG F2-car


Wahlbergs Veritas


The Nürburgring race with Hammernick, Wahlberg and Pietsch on the upper picture. And Stener and Hackenberg on the lower.

[uechtel]

The first two pictures work fine!

But instead of the other two I can see only the famous red cross...

[Tomas Karlsson]

I have noticed that....

I'll give it a new try!

Wahlberg at Skarpnäck.


Hammernick, Wahlberg and Pietsch/ Stener and Hackenberg.

[uechtel]

Originally posted by Tomas Karlsson



The BMW Spl

Looks as if there is not much of the HH 48 left. Alas the picture is not the best resolution but from what I can recognize, the car was certainly better suited for ice racing than the bulky Veritas, but it is hard to believe, that Wahlberg had any hopes of it being competitive in 1955 in any big international race.

But as I understand you it had the 2 litre installed anyway, so as we learned with the 500 km race limited to 1500 cc I can not imagine how the organizers could have accepted his entry.

And no, I don´t know of another race at the Ring in autumn 1955, so I think we should also check other events like the Avus race.

[uechtel]

Originally posted by Tomas Karlsson
I have noticed that....

I'll give it a new try!

Wahlberg at Skarpnäck.


Hammernick, Wahlberg and Pietsch/ Stener and Hackenberg.

Wonderful!

Alas still very small, but from what I can recognize it really looks like the Glöckler car:

http://hometown.aol....urgringi_49.jpg

[Tomas Karlsson]

But as I understand you it had the 2 litre installed anyway, so as we learned with the 500 km race limited to 1500 cc I can not imagine how the organizers could have accepted his entry.

I am sorry if I have cofused you in some way, but Wahlberg had two 1,5 litre engines for the Veritas. And he put the hottest of these in the BMW spl. So it was a 1,5 litre car.

Looks as if there is not much of the HH 48 left. Alas the picture is not the best resolution but from what I can recognize, the car was certainly better suited for ice racing than the bulky Veritas, but it is hard to believe, that Wahlberg had any hopes of it being competitive in 1955 in any big international race.

I don't know how high hopes he had for success in any international races with the car. I don't think that the Scandinavian drivers had gotten any such ideas by then. They only went abroad for the fun of it. The first serious attempt came with Jo Bonnier in '56.
The BMW wasn't ready until after the summer in 55. It worked alright at home in the small special sportscar class in the winter of 56. But the competition was weak and the class was small.

[Tomas Karlsson]

Someone told me that the remains of the HH48 is back in Germany and that it is being restored. Is there anyone who knows something about that?
And who was Herman Holbein? He seems to have built a Veritas RS copy too. Did he build the car from scratch or was it based on something?

[Hugo Boecker]

High Tomas
here is an article about the HH48 and its restauration But it gives not too much new informations.

Originally posted by Hugo Boecker
Thanks Stefan and pingst Great

I'm really intersted in this famos BMW Veritas, wich seems to be the Holbein HH48

http://cp.hoca.de/pd...aben/21-100.pdf

Holbein produced a BMW 328 based Ponton-sportscar as early as 1947, the HH47. And it is not clear who copied whom. In the end Veritas had more sucsess. HH stands for Huber the coachbuilder and Holbein the engineer. The HH47 was raced with some sucsess by Holbein in 48 then he sold the car together with the hh48 to Le Mans Winner Fritz Riess. Riess raced the cars til the beginning of 1950. At the end of 49 Willi Briem appeared with the HH47 and the HH48 was entered in some races by Bossong, but he only drove in the German GP. Then Vianden had the car for Riem and the rest is theat what you know.
Holbein was later involved in the development of the Gutbrod microcar.

[uechtel]

Gutbrod?

I thought it was the Champion!

http://www.amann-old...e/service03.htm
http://auta5p.car.cz...on/champion.htm
http://www.kleinwage...on_ofro2001.htm
http://www.harpin.de...ls/Champion.htm

And perhaps some completion on Holbein as together with Loof, von Falkenhausen, Schleicher, Huber among others he was employed at the BMW race & research department and for example involved in the 1940 Mille Miglia project.

So no one wonders that the designs of them all were based on common experiences.

And thank you for your last explanations. I think I understand now.

[Hugo Boecker]

Originally posted by uechtel
Gutbrod?

I thought it was the Champion!

Mea Culpa sorry I was wrong !