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[Hugo Boecker]

Here I show you some pictures from the start of the Torino GP 12.Oct. 1947
Pic one from Millanta / Orsini / Zagari ‘s book Ferrari Automobili 1947-1953
http://img49.exs.cx/...art_Turin_3.jpg

Pic two from Pierre Abeillon’s Lago-Talbot de course.
http://img102.exs.cx...Turin_Start.jpg

There were 20 Starters. We numbered them and tried to puzzle them out.
http://img11.exs.cx/...7TurinGrid1.gif




This is our list and suggestions

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1  #12 	Pozzi		 	Lago-Talbot-Special 82930

 2  #32	  Villoresi	 	 Maserati

 3  #34   Ascari				 Maserati

 4  # 2	  Chaboud	 	 Delahaye

 5  #38	  Auriccio		   Stanguellini 

 6  # 4	Louveau		  Delage

 7  #78	  Sommer	 	  Ferrari 159S

 8  #68	Rol							  Gordini

 9  #6 	Scagliarini 	   Alfa Romeo 2500		

10  #36	  Tullini	   		   Stanguellini

11  # 8 	(Driver)? 		   (Talbot or a Delahaye ? )

12  #? 	(Driver)? 		   (an old ALFA ???)

13  #56 	Bertani 		   Fiat 1100 Ala d'Oro

14  #10   Comotti	 	   Lago-Talbot Special		

15  #40?	(Driver)? 		   Alfa Romeo 2500

16  #24 	Bianchetti 	   Alfa Romeo 2500

17  #? 	(Driver)? 		  (Lancia-Sp. But they are righthanded or a Fiat Special???)

18  #22	(Driver)?		  Delage / Delahaye

19  #54   Rovelli 					  Fiat-BMW

20  #16 	Ermini 					  Gico-Alfa 2500



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11 could be a french sportscar Delahaye or Talbot
12 an old Alfa or very special car seens to be old
15 who is the driver car perhaps Alfa Romeo 2500
17 Lancia Specials were righthanded may be a Fiat 1100
18 another french Sportscar looks like a Delage or Delahaye

Can anyone help us with 11- 12 –15- 17 -18

Thanks

[humphries]

Hugo

Nothing that precise but in the Auto Italiana report there is a picture of a group of drivers which included "Raph" and Beltracchini. "Raph" would more than likely have been in one of the French cars and Beltracchini was racing the Ferrari 815/ Auto Avio during 1947. Almost certainly Balestrero would have been at the race. He raced everywhere with his Alfa Romeo 2300, an old "Monza" I believe, although that is in variance with the Stanguellini book that claims he was in a Fiat 2800 Stanguellini some of the time. At Torino, if Balestrero was there, it was not in the big Stanguellini.
From another photo in the Stang book #22 is definitely a Delage.

#46 Biondetti is his 4 litre Biondetti-Norton was at Turin, mentioned in another thread somewhere. Try BB.

An Alfa Romeo 2500 was being raced in that part of Italy by one Gurgo-Salice, another possibility.

John

[alessandro silva]

Hugo, your #11 is Meyrat's Delahaye. Your #18 is a Delage.

I have the complete list somewhere, but not here. In a couple of weeks I might post it.

[Hugo Boecker]

John and Alessandro Thanks

it brings us a step forward

[Hugo Boecker]

Standstill on the highway ?

Has anyone additional Infos ?

[alessandro silva]

Hugo, be patient and I'll come out with something.

[alessandro silva]

Grid:
#? Minozzi (Maserati) 2.56.2 #? Lanza (Fiat Leone) 2.56.2 #16 Ermini 2.56.4

#8 Meyrat (Delahaye) 2.52.3 #54 Rovelli 2.53.1 #24 Bianchetti 2.55.4

#36 Tullini 2.47 #56 Bertani 2.48.4 #22 Raph (Delage) 2.50.1#40 Romano(Alfa) 2.51.1

#68 Rol 2.45 #6 Scagliarini 2.45.1 #10 Comotti 2.45.4

#2 Chaboud 2.39.2 #38 Auricchio 2.43.3 #4 Louveau 2.43.4 #78 Sommer 2.44

#12 Pozzi 2.36.3 #32 Villoresi 2.37 #34 Ascari 2.37.2

Starters:
2. Chaboud Delahaye 135CS 47192
4. Louveau Delage 3L 880004
6. Scagliarini Baschieri-Alfa Romeo 6C 2500 Spl.
8. Meyrat Delahaye 135CS
10. Comotti Talbot T150C 82930 res. driver Mouche
12. Pozzi Talbot T26SS 90203
16 Ermini Ermini Alfa Romeo 2500 6C [Gilco modified Fiat 1100 chassis]
22 Raph Delage 3L 880003??
24 Bianchetti Canavesi-Colli-Alfa Romeo 2500 6C Spl.
32 Villoresi Masserati A6GCS 2001
34 Ascari Maserati A6GCS
36. Tullini Fiat Stanguellini 1100 CS-1102
38 Auricchio Fiat-Stanguellini 1100 CS-1101
40. Romano Alfa Romeo 8C-2900B [without superchargers]
54 Rovelli Fiat – BMW 2L spl
56. Bertani Fiat -Ala d’Oro [Fiat Topolino chassis, Fiat 1100 engine]
68 Rol Simca-Gordini T11MM 01GCS 1220cc engine
78 Sommer Ferrari 159
Minozzi Maserati
Lanza Fiat 1100 Leone

[Adam F]

The photo below, as well as showing Chaboud's Delahaye, shows part of the list of starters.



There are a couple of discrepancies with the list which Alessandro published. No. 8 is shown as Minozzi and No. 38 is shown as Tullini.

[alessandro silva]

Adam, I do not know what to say. I took the list down from Gazzetta dello Sport and Turin daily Gazzetta del Popolo of the Saturday before the race. No numbers for Lanza and Minozzi were given, so that a late change is possible.