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[corsaresearch]

I need information on the 1952 Maloja hill-climb. A race report, winner, ... anything of interest.
Any help from the TNF specialists ?

Thanks !

[RAP]

No much help but Autosport 5 Sept 52 says BTD by Von Tscharner (Ferrari) 9m13s but I have annoted "no" Fischer .

[Roger Clark]

[VAR1016]

Fascinating, Roger, thanks.

The early 'fifties was a very exciting time I think.

What on earth was the supercharged Hispano-Suiza in the racing category?

PdeRL

[alessandro silva]

Originally posted by VAR1016


What on earth was the supercharged Hispano-Suiza in the racing category?

PdeRL

This was Max Christen's Special called Maserati-Suiza [Hispano is a mistake] with the 6CM #1530 engine delivered in 1936 and formerly mounted in Ruesch's 4CS/6CM, 1520/1530 raced by Christen after the war.

Nice document, Roger. Where does it come from?

[Roger Clark]

Originally posted by alessandro silva



Nice document, Roger. Where does it come from?

Sorry, I should have said. It's from Autocourse.

[VAR1016]

Originally posted by alessandro silva


This was Max Christen's Special called Maserati-Suiza [Hispano is a mistake] with the 6CM #1530 engine delivered in 1936 and formerly mounted in Ruesch's 4CS/6CM, 1520/1530 raced by Christen after the war.

Nice document, Roger. Where does it come from?

Many thanks Alessandro; Hispano-Suiza was not known for making small engines!

PdeRL

[uechtel]

Not a "Hispano Suiza", but a "Maserati Suiza", "Automobil Revue" talks of a self converted car (I think a former 4CL or something like that) of Max Christen!

And I think you would like to see a picture of the winner, too:



Also I have the report and stats, but, alas, when I was at the archive it seems that I was too much shivering by excitement to take a sharp picture. Shame on me

[GIGLEUX]

1947 Lausanne GP: the special Maserati of Max Christen in front of Giraud-Cabantous (Talbot) and
Ascari (Maserati 4CL)

[alessandro silva]

Originally posted by GIGLEUX


1947 Lausanne GP: the special Maserati of Max Christen in front of Giraud-Cabantous (Talbot) and
Ascari (Maserati 4CL)

Jean-Maurice, I do not think that this is the Maserati-Suiza. Your photo shows the ex-Ruesch 4CS/6CM 1520/1530 with Dubonnet front suspension from 1936. I think that the Maserati-Suiza had a different tubular chassis and a new body (but the same engine).

[dretceterini]

Any pictures of the Sauter-Stanguellini 1100? I can't find anything in the Stanguellini book about it...


Thanks,
Stu

[GIGLEUX]

Berne 1952

[dretceterini]

Thank You!!

How do you keep coming up with photos of all these totally obscure cars?

Stu

[VAR1016]

Originally posted by dretceterini
Thank You!!

How do you keep coming up with photos of all these totally obscure cars?

Stu

It is extraordinary isn't it?

Well done again Jean-Maurice.

PdeRL

[corsaresearch]

Thank you very much. The results from AutoCourse are very interesting.
I realy should start to complete my collection of these fine magazines. Practically, I'm only missing the first three years (I guess it started in 1950).

I was hoping to find more on the participation of Diego Capelli in the Fiat 8V Spider Sport Zagato, but he doesn't show up in the final results. Normally he raced in the sport 2000 category - his start number being 78. Maybe someone has a report that mentions something about him. I could post an image but the © belongs to Ludvigsen Library, if Karl doesn't mind ... ??

Another thing: I'd like to know why everytime I post a new thread or a reply, the little envelope has a big black button on it ??

[dretceterini]

Karl is a member here so why don't you send him a PM or e-mail and ask?

[uechtel]

If you look at the result lits I posted you just can "imagine" him (D. Capelli, Fiat 2000) in fifth place in the 2 litre class (the category top right on the sheet). Alas I am not able to decypher anything in the times column, but here is the result of that class as far as I can recognize that:

1. Sommerhalder, MG
2. Wild, BMW (the Volpini bodied car)
3. Ruf, BMW
4. von Falkenhausen (D), BMW 328
5. Capelli, Fiat
6. the ever interesting Melvin Stickney (USA), BMW
7. Zoller, BMW
8. Grandjean, Lancia

Also they have a small passage on him in the report (see bottom right of the result page and top left on the next page of the report). Here the translation:

"The quick Sommerhalder (MG Kompressor) came to winner´s honours in the 2 litre class, but strongly attacked by the very good driving Wild on BMW, who came within 1.8 seconds close to him. Wild, who as far as we know has not taken part in races so far, drives the special Italian bodied lowline BMW of Schmid. Also Ruf (BMW) was able to position himself in front of Alpes winner von Falkenhausen (BMW), Diego Capelli (Fiat) and the Frankfurt-based American Stickney. For Capelli, who drove the Fiat 8V Zagato Roadster, that has been already shown in the "AR", we would have expected a better time, because in the corners he was driving really safely and quick."

So they say, that at some time the "Automobil Revue" did present the car publicly in a previous issue, but unfortunately they don´t tell in which.


Falling over Stickney´s name causes me to ask some other questions. What is known about him? My information in him is very poor, I think he was an US soldier and he appeared again at the Eifelrennen 1953, driving a Veritas (RS?) of unknown identity.

[conjohn]

Originally posted by corsaresearch
Another thing: I'd like to know why everytime I post a new thread or a reply, the little envelope has a big black button on it ??

It means just that - a thread that you have posted in... explanations can be found at the bottom of the main page.

[corsaresearch]

Thanks Uechtel for your help.

As for the black button, only thing I do is push the button for 'post reply' or 'new thread' but every time it's the same result.

[Rupertlt1]

Any pictures of the Sauter-Stanguellini 1100? I can't find anything in the Stanguellini book about it...


Thanks,
Stu

 

Is this the car in the centre?

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

RGDS RLT

[uechtel]

Seems like it is. A better shot you can find here:

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

But of course doesn´t fit under the topic as well...

[nexfast]

I see  the driver in  the picture is identified as the mysteriously  (at least for me) "Trello". In another thread I was looking for his real name and confirmation of his swiss nationality. Anyone knows a little bit more about him?

 

P.S And sorry to keep this thread away from the OP question.

[Rupertlt1]

Kurt Sauter was from Basle, Switzerland. Class winner at Maloja, 1952:

 

Die Resultate des Maloja-Rennens : Rennsportwagen . Gr . I bis 1100 ccm : 1 . Kurt Sauter ( Basel ) auf Sauter-Stang. 8 : 57 , 4 ( 73 , 688 km / std ) .

 

This #94 car here?

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

For full Maloja results go here:

 

https://www.e-newspa...er"-------0----

 

More Sauter:

 

https://sautercar.ch...ibourg-2015.pdf

 

RGDS RLT

Edited by Rupertlt1, 21 August 2019 - 03:35.

[uechtel]

For an overview on Sauter cars, in German language, see here:

https://sautercar.ch...zial/fahrzeuge/

 

Translation: "The 'Sauter-Stanguellini' was created in 1950 [according to my own investigations Sauter used the 'Deho', perhaps with a different (AFM?) engine, as long as 1951 and switched to the 'Stanguellini only for 1952] and its body did not have to hide from the Italian sports cars that were made by famous coachwork companies.Like before, also for this car many Fiat parts were used, including the engine. On the block of a Fiat 1100 Stanguellini had mounted a dohc head of own fabrication. This was the last race car that Kurt Sauter had built for his own use and he could celebrate victories at Berne and Maloya as well as 2nd places at the Avus in Berlin and on the Nürburgring."

[nexfast]

Kurt Sauter was from Basle, Switzerland. Class winner at Maloja, 1952:

 

Die Resultate des Maloja-Rennens : Rennsportwagen . Gr . I bis 1100 ccm : 1 . Kurt Sauter ( Basel ) auf Sauter-Stang. 8 : 57 , 4 ( 73 , 688 km / std ) .

 

This #94 car here?

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

For full Maloja results go here:

 

https://www.e-newspa...er"-------0----

 

More Sauter:

 

https://sautercar.ch...ibourg-2015.pdf

 

RGDS RLT

 

Sorry, slightly confused here. Are you implying that "Trello" and Kurt Sauter are the same person?

[Rupertlt1]

Sorry, slightly confused here. Are you implying that "Trello" and Kurt Sauter are the same person?

 

Having looked at it, I think we can be certain they are two different persons - compare the two photographs and the drivers are not the same.

 

RGDS RLT

[nexfast]

Yes, I fully agree. I thought so too but I was a tad confused since your post came straight after mine. Thanks for clarifying.

[Rupertlt1]

Could Stephan Sauter help?

 

RGDS RLT

[Michael Ferner]

"Trello" was of Swiss nationality; he was 10th in the 1954 Swiss Sports car championship. The individual race results usually show hometowns next to the driver's name, but not for "Trello". However, at the Zurich slalom, a driver named Aug. (presumably August) Vock of Windisch, which is in the canton Aargau about 20 miles northwest of Zurich, drove a "nice Fiat-Stanguellini to fourth place" (Automobile Revue). The only other Stanguellini I can find in that class throughout 1954 was Trello's, so maybe it was the Sauter/Stanguellini, in fact. "Trello" was not mentioned in the Zurich report or results, but the year end points table shows him scoring 85.59 points there, which is about the score I calculate for Vock (86.26) - and is pretty much within the tolerance that's likely to appear with the usual mistakes in reporting or scoring, or both. Also, I can't find the name Vock elsewhere in my (very incomplete) Swiss results, so maybe "Trello" was August Vock?

Edited by Michael Ferner, 23 August 2019 - 14:17.

[nexfast]

Thank you, Michael. It is an interesting and convincing lead. A rapid internet research provided indeed an August Vock from Windisch within the right timeframe, though without giving any other particularly relevant information :

 

https://www.kathbrug...-X_2Auflage.pdf (scroll to page 308)

 

Seems he was a religious (catholic) man.

[The Mountaineer]

"Trello" definitely was neither Kurt Sauter nor August Vock. More when I am back from my holiday.

[Rupertlt1]

The Mountaineer: I picture you on the wanderweg among the Alpine peaks, searching for old hillclimb courses.

Maybe I have got this wrong?

Look forward to being enlightened re <<Trello>>

 

RGDS RLT