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[gbaker]

Can anyone here point to a good image of the HANS device as presently used in F1?

No old images, please. We are talking this week's version.

Thanks.

[ralt12]

Try http://www.hansdevic...=124&item_id=76
That's the latest professional version, though it does appear as though there are slight variations in current F1.

[gbaker]

Thanks, but I'm thinking more along the lines of this:

http://www.motorspor...gen-mg-0701.jpg, which is reported to be Fernando Alonso.

The design keeps changing.

[100cc]

the image you posted looks like it is a trial version from when hans was being developed for f1. Looks like just a model for alonso to try on - not an actual working hans device. His helmet is not equipped with hans-posts. The picture is from 2002.

[100cc]

here is a link to the full picture at motorsport.com.... from which it is obvious it isn't the proper hans device but merely a mock up to perhaps test if alonso feels comforatable with it

[gbaker]

100cc,

Thanks. That's a good point; we had no date info on that photo.

Two things in particular we are interested in:

1) Confirmation that the device, as used at the end of the 2004 season, had either one strap or two straps with one common connection point, and

2) The return of the "lip" to help keep the belts from slipping off.

We have no images re #1, but many folks swear that was the configuration at year end. The "lip" in #2 may not appear until next season.

Thanks again.

[100cc]

I have not noticed any pictures with a lip to prevent belts from slipping off.

when you say that "but many folks swear that was the configuration at year end" which configuration do you mean?

I always assumed that it would have been two straps... as in the normal non-f1 versions... but have never seen detailed enough pics or from the right angle to see if f1 are any different.

[perfectelise]

This from Jerez a few weeks ago:

[gbaker]

Originally posted by 100cc
...when you say that "but many folks swear that was the configuration at year end" which configuration do you mean?...

Some folks are claiming they saw it used with what looked like a single strap, or possibly two straps connected at a single location at the composite component. Please keep in mind that we have no idea if this is true, hence the thread.

Thanks.

[ZoRG]

I am pretty sure I might have seen it used with 1 strap connecting on both sides of the helmets, going through the HANS device at the back.

How does your system compare to HANS wrt weight.

[gbaker]

That sounds like a normal set up, shown in the photo "perfectelise" offered. People may be referring to a prototype someone is testing.

The "lip" to hold the belts in place may not be out yet.

I don't know the weight offhand. The helmet connection may be lighter than the HANS (Al vs. SS), but the belt connectors are probably heavier than the HANS yoke. Of course, the driver doesn't "wear" the product so it's not a comfort issue.

The titanium model is another matter.

[Fiorentina 1]

Is the Hans Devices used by Michael schumacher made by HANS, or is it made by Schuberth or Ferrari with HANS's approval? It seems different then the ones you can by from HANS.

[gbaker]

Originally posted by Fiorentina 1
Is the Hans Devices used by Michael schumacher made by HANS, or is it made by Schuberth or Ferrari with HANS's approval? It seems different then the ones you can by from HANS.

Several amateur drivers have told us they can't identify it and that it is not commercially available. It does seem to be different, but we can't find a good photo. Also, we don't know how many F1 drivers are using what may be a custom HANS, i.e. built for F1 only.

FIA reported spending $750,000 to adapt the HANS device to F1 cockpits. Our understanding is that FIA received product rights in exchange. I believe more than one manufacturer is licensed in Europe.

[bern@rd]

http://www.atlasf1.c...e/djm0303fe22-4
I managed to find this photo of Schumacher's hans.

[bern@rd]

http://www.atlasf1.c...e/deh0324ja05-3
here is another hans. Looks much stiffer and thicker than Schuey's. :

[gbaker]

Thanks bern@rd--and everyone else.

This helps a lot.

[Chubby_Deuce]

I have spoken to one of the head honchos with HANS and while the device itself is made by them, the airbags are most definetly not and they do not reccomend that anybody uses them, as they detract from the device's performance.

[scarbs]

the detail design and fitting of the device is pecuiar to each teamhelmet supplier and even driver. some drivers have it fitted under the main seatbelt with or without padding, some drivers Coulthard for example have a secondary strap on the shoulder seatbelts to retain the device. Lips do not seem to be universal I recall Sparco mentioning there was a issue with this not being enough to retain the device in a crash, so they use narrower straps (2 inch) with rubberised grips instead.
Attachment to the helmet varied by helment supplier, either simple D Clips, slotted fasteners or straps going inside the helmet shell as used by Schuberth this year. See the copyrighted MS pic from France this year. From what I've seen the strap is a single one passing through wide U clips to connect to each sid eof the helmet.
They can be made under license by the helmet manufacturer (i.e. Sparco), but I guess from earlier comments the detail alterations can be designed by the helmet co before being accepted and made by HANs.