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#15001 picblanc

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 08:08

A couple more Trans Trophy from Brands 1974
Barry Sheene TR750, with Frank Sheene holding a fuel can at Barry's caravan in the background.
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Mick Grant & his TZ700 talking to a Journo/photographer? Mick was the first person to crash the new TZ700 I believe when he came off it at Clearways in the 2nd Trans Trophy leg right in front of me. Hurting his arm/elbow? but apparently Percy Tait's Horse linament put it right for the Mallory races two days later!!
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This has been on before but the thread is running again so.... :p
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Posted 27 August 2008 - 08:21

Last few? ;)
Dave Aldana working on his JP Norton
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Barry Ditchburn and his new TZ700 Yamaha, Ted Broad in the grey jumper in the background.
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Stan Woods and Rex White?
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The teams, with the long gone bridge over the entry to the GP circuit in the background.
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Into druids race two? look at the complete lack of straw bales!! and only 20' of grass run off!! :eek:
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#15003 picblanc

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 08:21

Right I am away till Sunday...play nicely!! :wave: :kiss:

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 08:35

Thanks for those pics - wonderfully evocative! :love: :clap:

#15005 seh1066

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 08:43

Originally posted by picblanc
Right I am away till Sunday...play nicely!! :wave: :kiss:


:) Yes, let's play...

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 08:57

Wow Stefan, that is a big field. All of 50 machines starting that race. I would guess about 1979, Hockenheim, a German championship race, and #2 Martin Wimmer. Is #52 Helmut Kassner? Could have a stab at a couple more but they would be wild guesses. Not that my other guesses aren´t just guesses, but they aren´t as wild if you know what I mean. :rotfl:

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 08:59

Originally posted by seh1066
:) Yes, let's play...
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Going to have to work hard ! We can keep this up without Graham :up:
Guess :wave: 1983 or 84 Euro 250 Hockenheim, Paul Tinker in the lead....

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 09:16

Originally posted by mfd

Going to have to work hard ! We can keep this up without Graham :up:
Guess :wave: 1983 or 84 Euro 250 Hockenheim, Paul Tinker in the lead....


:clap: :clap: It's Euro 250 1983 and Paul Tinker is correct !
He was in contention for the win for most of the race before he crashed out in the Sachskurve.
Remarkable as the two other drivers (both GP winners) fighting for the race win later said that he had the slowest bike in the lead group. I left the race weekend with the impression that he sure will become a successful GP rider but he did not appear on my personal radar again. What happened ? Why he did not become a success in the Grand Prix's ?

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 10:53

Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer
Wow Stefan, that is a big field. All of 50 machines starting that race. I would guess about 1979, Hockenheim, a German championship race, and #2 Martin Wimmer. Is #52 Helmut Kassner? Could have a stab at a couple more but they would be wild guesses. Not that my other guesses aren´t just guesses, but they aren´t as wild if you know what I mean. :rotfl:

I hereby officially resign from the WWW business. :blush: :blush: :blush: :lol:
Bit damn pathetic, what? :rotfl:

#15010 mfd

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 11:06

Originally posted by seh1066
I left the race weekend with the impression that he sure will become a successful GP rider but he did not appear on my personal radar again. What happened ? Why he did not become a success in the Grand Prix's ?

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I think this is from the following year, when he joined the semi-works Randle Armstrong team along with Tony Rogers. At the time it was a good place to be & a positive career move. Perhaps Jeff might comment, as he was there for a while, along with Clive Horton & Steve Tonkin. All three very successful riders...

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 11:25

Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer

I hereby officially resign from the WWW business. :blush: :blush: :blush: :lol:
Bit damn pathetic, what? :rotfl:


:wave: :clap: Why resignimg ? #2 Martin Wimmer is correct !

#52 is not Helmut Kassner (didn't he stop racing around 1976/1977 ?) and not Bernd Kassner - but it is a German Rider :)

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 11:37

7 Mertens
9 Grabia
37 Mattioli
6 Foray
8 Robles
39 Besendorfer
Guillemet behin 44

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 11:49

Originally posted by antony duprat
7 Mertens
9 Grabia
37 Mattioli
6 Foray
8 Robles
39 Besendorfer
Guillemet behin 44


:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Mertens, Grabia, Foray, Robles and Besendörfer are correct !

#37 is not Jean-Michel Mattioli but a Swiss rider.
I have no clue who the rider behind #44 is - there is no Guillemet in my copy of the programme but there is always the possibility of a late entry. So maybe you are right.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 13:23

Okay, #2, #6, #7. #8, #9, #23 and #39 we have. Time for some hints... :wave:

#52 HB

#46 MO

#3 RR

#44 BS

# 16 HE

#19 JS

#37 CP

#42 (partly hidden behind #37) HH

#5 KTG

# 57 FL

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 16:17

Originally posted by seh1066
Okay, #2, #6, #7. #8, #9, #23 and #39 we have. Time for some hints... :wave:

Well, those hints sure help !

#52 HB Hans Becker ?

#46 MO Manfred Obinger ?

#3 RR Reinhold Roth ?

#44 BS

# 16 HE Harald Eckl ?

#19 JS

#37 CP

#42 (partly hidden behind #37) HH

#5 KTG Karl-Thomas Grassel ?

# 57 FL



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Posted 27 August 2008 - 16:21

Originally posted by philippe7
By the way folks, Vincent asked me to ask a question to the distinguised people on this forum : does anybody know when the first full-face helmet appeared in a motorcycle Grand Prix ? (let's stick to grand prix, if we ask more generally "at which race " we will surely never get the right answer, and it would probably be at an obscure dirt-track race in southern california sometimes in 1968... )

It's fairly well documented that the first driver to wear a full face helmet in a formula 1 Grand Prix was Dan Gurney in Canada, 1968 . So, who was the first one in a motorcycle Grand Prix ?

( the earliest Vincent has seen is a picture of Christian Bourgeois wearing one at the 1970 French GP at Le Mans...anyone before that ? )



Friends, any idea about the above ? :wave:

#15017 Russell Burrows

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 16:36

Wasn't Bazza wearing one in '70? I'm not certain whether he did the French GP though? Apparently Spain was his first that year. Was the French before Monjuich Park?

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 16:48

Russel, the French was the second Grand Prix of the year in May, Montjuich the last end September .

I have very few magazines from 1970 , but I have a feeling that Rod Gould was using a full face when he won his World Championship ( in 1970 , precisely.... ) . But the question is , did he use it all season ?

And do we rule out 1969 altogether , or is there a chance someone tried it that early ?

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 18:11

Originally posted by philippe7
Russel, the French was the second Grand Prix of the year in May, Montjuich the last end September .

I have very few magazines from 1970 , but I have a feeling that Rod Gould was using a full face when he won his World Championship ( in 1970 , precisely.... ) . But the question is , did he use it all season ?

And do we rule out 1969 altogether , or is there a chance someone tried it that early ?


The 1970 GPs was in this order: D-F-YU-TT-NL-B-DDR-FI-N.IRL-Nations(Monza)-SP

I have a pic with Bourgeois at the French GP and another of Offenstadt at Spa both with Full-helmet
the first i know is a HD american racer named Walt Fulton Jr who rode at Daytona in March 1969 with a Bell Star helmet :wave:

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 19:44

WWW ? :wave:

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 20:10

Nice pic , a bit grainy but very atmospheric , pity we can't post the smells and sounds :(
He does look like he wants to swing his leg over and give it the beans ;)

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 21:11

If it's the Goodwood Festival, he did............also demo'ed a Cagiva at the British GP in '94 (photos could be scanned if anyone's remotely interested)

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 21:23

:clap:
yep it's Bazzer at Goodwood Festival of Speed 1997? i think,(the year it rained non stop friday to sunday)

Baz blagged the RGV500 from Suzuki Grand Prix Team for parading up the Goodwood Hill,
Rex White was there on business from the Suzuki GB set up,he did his bollox when he found out,

there was obviously no love lost between those 2.

found this pic on the web years back..... anyone got any others of Barry riding the RGV500 up the hill?


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Posted 27 August 2008 - 22:01

Right chappies Mr Fu :love: is away having his annual check-up-from-the-neck-up :lol: don't think :confused: i've put this on before !! have a go WWW





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Posted 27 August 2008 - 22:05

Good Friday, Brands, 1979, pure guess work :lol:

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 22:07

Originally posted by seh1066
Okay, #2, #6, #7. #8, #9, #23 and #39 we have. Time for some hints... :wave:

#52 HB

#46 MO

#3 RR

#44 BS

# 16 HE

#19 JS

#37 CP

#42 (partly hidden behind #37) HH

#5 KTG

# 57 FL


19 Jurgen Schmid?

Roth was 1st, Eckl was 4th, Obinger was 5th, Besendörfer was 6th, Grässel was 10th

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 22:11

Originally posted by sterling49
Good Friday, Brands, 1979, pure guess work :lol:


Right :clap: Right :clap: Wrong :down: pure memory :lol: :p

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 22:14

2 out of 3 ain't bad for a four wheeled man :lol:

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 22:17

Originally posted by sterling49
2 out of 3 ain't bad for a four wheeled man :lol:

Whats that ,Stirling, on each corner or in line astern !!!! :lol: :yawn:

#15030 subh

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 22:21

Originally posted by subh


19 Jurgen Schmid?

Roth was 1st, Eckl was 4th, Obinger was 5th, Besendörfer was 6th, Grässel was 10th


I should add that Mertens was 2nd.

And can we also see Antoine Longo (3rd), Michel Galbit (7th), Fausto Ricci (8th) and Martin Fuegg (9th)?

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 23:26

Originally posted by fil2.8
don't think :confused: i've put this on before !! have a go WWW

Yes you have ! It's Transatlantic free practice 1980 and my eyesight can't cope with anything beyond row 3. Where do you view these pics Phil? In a Cinema :lol:

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 05:35

Originally posted by philippe7

Well, those hints sure help !

#52 HB Hans Becker ?

#46 MO Manfred Obinger ?

#3 RR Reinhold Roth ?

#44 BS

# 16 HE Harald Eckl ?

#19 JS

#37 CP

#42 (partly hidden behind #37) HH

#5 KTG Karl-Thomas Grassel ?

# 57 FL


:clap: All correct !

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 05:59

Originally posted by subh


I should add that Mertens was 2nd.

And can we also see Antoine Longo (3rd), Michel Galbit (7th), Fausto Ricci (8th) and Martin Fuegg (9th)?


:clap: Very good !! It's indeed Jürgen Schmid who is less known than Jochen Schmid who was a GP regular in the second half of the 80's / early 90's

You can see Martin Füg - he has #61 (a yellow bike) and is at the right of the track close to Jean Foray

I checked the programme for the numbers of the other riders

Antoine Longo #20

Michel Galbit #15

I zoomed into the pic but could not spot them.

No Fausto Ricci in the programme which hints on a late entry - maybe #64 (at the right side of Jean Foray)

And the solution for the riders not guessed yet:

#44 Bode Schmidt

#42 Herbert Hauf

#37 Constant Pittet

# 57 Franz Lederer

You can also spot #32 (Eilert Lundstedt) and #22 (Giuseppe Migliorini)

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 09:15

Originally posted by ESSEXBOY
:clap:
yep it's Bazzer at Goodwood Festival of Speed 1997? i think,(the year it rained non stop friday to sunday)

Baz blagged the RGV500 from Suzuki Grand Prix Team for parading up the Goodwood Hill,
Rex White was there on business from the Suzuki GB set up,he did his bollox when he found out,

there was obviously no love lost between those 2.

found this pic on the web years back..... anyone got any others of Barry riding the RGV500 up the hill?


Truth was Rex had nothing to do with it all by this stage..Bazza just badgered Garry ta ylor until he said yes. It didnt matter weather you loved Baz or hated him, his charisma always won you over. I think that was a bike that Stu Shenton or someone put togeather or a 96 bike. Plenty of huffing and puffing about the inconvience .Either way the guys that went down loved the experience.

#15035 fil2.8

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 12:24

Originally posted by mfd

Yes you have ! It's Transatlantic free practice 1980 and my eyesight can't cope with anything beyond row 3. Where do you view these pics Phil? In a Cinema :lol:

:wave: Morning / Afternoon Mike , didn't know if I had or not :confused: I have several from the same spot .My eyesight can't cope after the 1st row :lol: :rolleyes: Off on hols later for 10 days ,if I have time i'll load up a few new ones :kiss: TTFN

#15036 Leon Storm

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 12:53

Have always wondered why it is that in the modern era, after the arrival of 2 strokes say post '74, that Great Britain haven't produced any really successful riders on the world stage. Only Barry Sheene. Geographically they were close enough to works machinery, and usually got it, yet no-one stood up to be counted. Conversely in the same period I can think of half a dozen Aussie probable world champions given the right bike.

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 14:50

Originally posted by seh1066
I checked the programme for the numbers of the other riders

Antoine Longo #20

Michel Galbit #15

I zoomed into the pic but could not spot them.

No Fausto Ricci in the programme which hints on a late entry - maybe #64 (at the right side of Jean Foray)


Stefan - Do you have GP programmes from the same period? I’m always looking to get hold of 500/250 entry lists from those years - 1980s and 1970s. Maybe you can help out? Thanks.

Dan

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 15:15

Originally posted by Leon Storm
Have always wondered why it is that in the modern era, after the arrival of 2 strokes say post '74, that Great Britain haven't produced any really successful riders on the world stage. Only Barry Sheene. Geographically they were close enough to works machinery, and usually got it, yet no-one stood up to be counted. Conversely in the same period I can think of half a dozen Aussie probable world champions given the right bike.

Must be the Aussies were better at it. Only thing you said that I don't understand is "Geographically they were close enough to works machinery" Do you mean GB is close to Japan :confused:

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 15:32

Originally posted by subh


Stefan - Do you have GP programmes from the same period? I’m always looking to get hold of 500/250 entry lists from those years - 1980s and 1970s. Maybe you can help out? Thanks.

Dan


From the German GP's at Hockenheim I think I have some programmes (1979/1981/1982/1983) - I will have a look and check out how I can pass the information - but it will take a little bit of time :)

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 16:18

Thank you. I don’t mind waiting.

#15041 Russell Burrows

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 16:34

Originally posted by Leon Storm
Have always wondered why it is that in the modern era, after the arrival of 2 strokes say post '74, that Great Britain haven't produced any really successful riders on the world stage. Only Barry Sheene. Geographically they were close enough to works machinery, and usually got it, yet no-one stood up to be counted. Conversely in the same period I can think of half a dozen Aussie probable world champions given the right bike.


We were preparing for the 2008 Olympics.

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 16:47

post '74, that Great Britain haven't produced any really successful riders on the world stage. Only Barry Sheene.



there have been loads of Brit world class riders since Sheene........



















i'll get back onto it after my Tea :eek:

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 16:56

Originally posted by Leon Storm
Have always wondered why it is that in the modern era, after the arrival of 2 strokes say post '74, that Great Britain haven't produced any really successful riders on the world stage. Only Barry Sheene. Geographically they were close enough to works machinery, and usually got it, yet no-one stood up to be counted. Conversely in the same period I can think of half a dozen Aussie probable world champions given the right bike.





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picture of someone trying to stir things up? :D

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 17:26

Originally posted by Russell Burrows


We were preparing for the 2008 Olympics.


:lol: :rotfl: :lol: :love: :wave:

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 17:35

Right crew ( and the Aussie contingent :rolleyes: ) i'm away for a bit so i'll leave you with a few testers to fathom out in the next 10 days :wave: :kiss: WWW





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Posted 28 August 2008 - 17:40

And who's this chappie-whappie helping the marshalls ?? :eek:





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Posted 28 August 2008 - 17:47

Originally posted by Leon Storm
Conversely in the same period I can think of half a dozen Aussie probable world champions given the right bike.

Leon, who did you have in mind? I would be most interested to know who you rated good enough given the right tackle.

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 18:00

Originally posted by fil2.8
And who's this chappie-whappie helping the marshalls ?? :eek:





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Posted 28 August 2008 - 18:01

Originally posted by fil2.8
And who's this chappie-whappie helping the marshalls ?? :eek:





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is it parrish?,looks like the old*killer* paddock bend at brands to me.

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 18:33

MMMM Pie,mash and mushy peas :wave:

post '74 world class Brits

CARL FOGARTY...................... just ask him


JAMES TOSELAND................... he can play the piano



Aussie contender....................Antony Gobert