bridled to Ashford. Whitch date was this? The 1. april 1968? The 1. mai
1968? Or the 1. juni 1968?
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 18:11
In the year 1968, the Eagle-Formula-1 Team , the Anglo-American-Racers,
bridled to Ashford. Whitch date was this? The 1. april 1968? The 1. mai
1968? Or the 1. juni 1968?
bridled to Ashford. Whitch date was this? The 1. april 1968? The 1. mai
1968? Or the 1. juni 1968?
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 18:14
And for what quiz is it?
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 18:19
Ashford, Kent or Ashford, Middlesex ?
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 18:32
Originally posted by racer159
Ashford
Just testing, Ashford, Kent. Despite living within a few miles of their base I have mysteriously forgotten the move-in date, most unlike me.
Racer, as you are a new member tell us a bit about yourself. Hopefully we can help de-fuse the gathering impression that you are using this forum for your own gain. Give and take is the unofficial motto here....
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 18:33
Is it for a quiz about Ashford?
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 18:51
Originally posted by bill moffat
Just testing, Ashford, Kent. Despite living within a few miles of their base I have mysteriously forgotten the move-in date, most unlike me.
A little off-track here, but my father was stationed near Ashford during WW II at KingsNorth. He has only fond memories of the area and the local people and wishes to return to the area someday, but at 86, we both doubt that will happen.
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 19:06
Originally posted by WGD706
A little off-track here, but my father was stationed near Ashford during WW II at KingsNorth. He has only fond memories of the area and the local people and wishes to return to the area someday, but at 86, we both doubt that will happen.
I run my Medical Practice in Kingsnorth. Presumably your father was an airman at either Chilmington or Bromley Green/Kingsnorth. Would be delighted to show him around if he makes it over, regards Bill.
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 19:49
Originally posted by bill moffat
I run my Medical Practice in Kingsnorth. Presumably your father was an airman at either Chilmington or Bromley Green/Kingsnorth. Would be delighted to show him around if he makes it over, regards Bill.
Sill
He was with the 9th Air Force, 53d Fighter Squadron, 36th Fighter Group flying P-47 Thunderbolts. They were there from April '44 - July '44, then moved to Brucheville, France (July '44 - Aug '44), Le Mans, France (Aug '44 - Sept '44), Athis, France (Sept '44 - Oct '44), Juvincourt, France (Oct '44),
Le Culot, Belgium (Oct '44 - March '45), Aachen, Germany (March '45 - April '45), Niedermennig, Germany (April '45) and finally Kassel/Rothwestern, Germany (April '45 - end WWII).
From what he told me, the Kingsnorth station was about 3 to 3 1/2 miles SE of Ashford.
He was in a minor traffic accident (forgot to drive on the correct side of the road), breaking his nose and was placed in a hospital in Ashford that we later saw in a Nigel Havers BBC film "A Perfect Hero". However, he's forgotten what the name of the hospital was.
Many thanks for your kind offer!
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 22:04
Talking of AAR, does anybody know if the real name was Anglo-American racers, or All-American Racers? Or was one name for GP racing and one for US racing.
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 22:10
In 1964 Dan Gurney established All American Racers in Santa Ana, California, to run sportscars for him to drive in the United States in between his Formula 1 commitments with the Brabham team.Originally posted by D-Type
Talking of AAR, does anybody know ifthe real name was Anglo-American racers, or All-American Racers? Or was one name for GP racing and one for US racing.
He established Anglo American Racers Ltd. in Rye, Sussex, to run the Formula 1 operations and commissioned Weslake Engineering to build him a V12 engine, to be designed by Aubrey Woods.
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 22:11
Originally posted by D-Type
Talking of AAR, does anybody know ifthe real name was Anglo-American racers, or All-American Racers? Or was one name for GP racing and one for US racing.
I wondered about that as well. I thought it was All American Racers....
....but there will, of course be those here who KNOW!
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 23:13
It's a good job the European operation wasn't set up in another country. We might have had FAR, DAR, GAR, PAR or even, perish the thought, BAR!
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 23:45
And if Belgian-American Racers (or Bavarian-American racers) had then set up a Rye operation could we have had BARRY ?Originally posted by Barry Boor
It's a good job the European operation wasn't set up in another country. We might have had FAR, DAR, GAR, PAR or even, perish the thought, BAR!
As you say, perish the thought!
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 23:47
Originally posted by MCS
I wondered about that as well. I thought it was All American Racers....
....but there will, of course be those here who KNOW!
From memory it started with the Indy efforts with the name All American Racers...
But when the tie-up with Weslake for F1 happened there came Anglo American Racers.
Then again, maybe you didn't want a serious answer? Carry on chaps!
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Posted 10 January 2005 - 08:37
Warren : amongst those old enough to remember, the American airmen are still recalled with great affection in these parts. When I first came to Kent I bought a cottage next door to Freddie Forsyth(father of the author). He had been a local furrier but doubled up as Entertainment Officer for the "Yanks". I spent a fascinating day with the elderly Freddie visiting all the local airfields..most of which are now just grazing pasture again.
Back to the AAR theme...whilst their main base was in Rye they did have a workshop in Bromley Green Rd, Ashford. What I've never understood was how (or why) the work was split, was Ashford home to the engine shop?. This seems likely as when Dan and the boys left the factory was taken over by Piper engineering (later Piper cams). Incidentally a small office block in Ashford (long since demolished as part of the local Council's successful scheme to convert a pretty market town into a concrete jungle) was named "Gurney House". ? after the man himself.
Back to the AAR theme...whilst their main base was in Rye they did have a workshop in Bromley Green Rd, Ashford. What I've never understood was how (or why) the work was split, was Ashford home to the engine shop?. This seems likely as when Dan and the boys left the factory was taken over by Piper engineering (later Piper cams). Incidentally a small office block in Ashford (long since demolished as part of the local Council's successful scheme to convert a pretty market town into a concrete jungle) was named "Gurney House". ? after the man himself.
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Posted 11 January 2005 - 00:45
Reminds me of the opening scenes from "Twelve O'Clock High" with Gregory Peck and Dean Jagger (a very favorite film of my Dad), when one of the characters visits whats left of the airfield after the war and finds cows meandering and weeds overgrown on the runways.Originally posted by bill moffat
I spent a fascinating day with the elderly Freddie visiting all the local airfields..most of which are now just grazing pasture again.
I'd always thought it was filmed in England and was rather disappointed to find that it was all done in Florida (Eglin Air Force base) and in Georgia at abandoned Air Force bases from the war.
There are a few books out that show what the airfields used to look like and what they are used for currently...authored by Roger Freeman.
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Posted 11 January 2005 - 18:26
Weather permitting (gale force winds and torrential rain at present) I will get out with my camera tomorrow and take some photos of the old AAR Ashford works. The old USAF Kingsnorth base was literally around the corner so I can also take a photo of some sheep in a field if you would like...
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Posted 11 January 2005 - 18:45
That would be really great. In the book "Airfields of the 9th, Then and Now' it shows Kingsnorth as being rather 'agricultural' at present....Originally posted by bill moffat
The old USAF Kingsnorth base was literally around the corner so I can also take a photo of some sheep in a field if you would like...
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Posted 12 January 2005 - 21:56
Well the weather did improve and, taking advantage of a day off work, I was out with the camera on a perfect Kentish winter's day.
First call was just around the corner to Bromley Green Rd. in Ashford. This is the AAR Eagle works which then passed to Piper Engineering (also with strong motor sport connections) before they, themselves, moved into one of those grey boxes on a nearby Industrial Estate :
No more than a mile away down the lane and the road bissects the airfield from which Warren's (WGD706) father flew his P47 Thunderbolt. All is peaceful now and, yes, very agricultural :
Finally, 3 miles South onto Romney Marsh and the village of Hamstreet. If confirmation was needed that the "Yanks" are not forgotten the simple but impeccably maintained memorial to Flt.Lt. Johnson USAF who fatally crash-landed his B17 here having first ensured the safety of both his crew (who he ordered to bale out) and those on the ground :
Apologies for drifting OT somewhat but I hope these images are of interest and help maintain a sense of perspective when we talk of "bravery"...........
First call was just around the corner to Bromley Green Rd. in Ashford. This is the AAR Eagle works which then passed to Piper Engineering (also with strong motor sport connections) before they, themselves, moved into one of those grey boxes on a nearby Industrial Estate :
No more than a mile away down the lane and the road bissects the airfield from which Warren's (WGD706) father flew his P47 Thunderbolt. All is peaceful now and, yes, very agricultural :
Finally, 3 miles South onto Romney Marsh and the village of Hamstreet. If confirmation was needed that the "Yanks" are not forgotten the simple but impeccably maintained memorial to Flt.Lt. Johnson USAF who fatally crash-landed his B17 here having first ensured the safety of both his crew (who he ordered to bale out) and those on the ground :
Apologies for drifting OT somewhat but I hope these images are of interest and help maintain a sense of perspective when we talk of "bravery"...........
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Posted 12 January 2005 - 22:11
Bill
Words fail me...thanks for taking the time to go out and get those photos. Something tells me that eventually I will get over into your neighborhood and wander around Kent for days.
I'm sending the photos to my father; I'm sure he will also appreciate them very much.
Again, thank you.
Warren
Words fail me...thanks for taking the time to go out and get those photos. Something tells me that eventually I will get over into your neighborhood and wander around Kent for days.
I'm sending the photos to my father; I'm sure he will also appreciate them very much.
Again, thank you.
Warren
