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[Jonas]

Does anyone have info about this austrian hillclimb, like a list of results? The date I have is July 2, 1933, but if this is correct I'm not 100% sure..

I've searched on google about this event in general but can only find a bit info (and film clips) of a motorcycle event. And apparently there was also a Gaisbergrennen 'memorial' in 2004 for cars. The sites presenting this event do, however, not inform much about the original event(s).

[GIGLEUX]

Date is correct. Was won by Trossi with a 8C-2600 Alfa Romeo of Sc Ferrari. Now we wait the specialists. Hans?

[Hans Etzrodt]

The Gaisberg-Rennen as it was called in Austria was held the first time in 1929. It took place annually the following years, thus 1933 was the fifth event held at this venue. The course started in a little place called Gnigl, near Salzburg, and ran for 3.275 km along the Grazer Bundesstraße up to the beginning of the Gaisbergstraße and from there another 8.625 km to the top of the Gaisberg, altogether exactly 11.9 km. The height difference was 800 meter with the steepest gradient at 12.7% or 1 in 7.87 for non-metric folks. Gaisberg was Austria’s biggest event next to the Semmering and both were important. The AIACR was thinking along similar lines because their International Sporting Commission decided as late as May 1933 to include the Gaisberg hill climb in their International Hill Climb Championship. It was to be the first of four international championship events, followed by Mont Ventoux in France on August 3, Stelvio in Italy on September 3 and Monte Ceneri in Switzerland on September 24. The Gaisberg record stood at 7 minutes 57.08 seconds or an average speed of 89.811 km/h, the 1932 winning time of Rudolf Caracciola in his blood red Alfa Romeo Type B/P3 monoposto grand prix car.

Sunday, July 2, 1933 was a sunny day at the Gaisberg. On Saturday the cars were checked and weighted in at the Salzburg Schrannenplatz. Intensive advertising had attracted drivers from Czechoslovakia, France, Hungary, Italy, Sweden and Switzerland, while the absence of German entries was quite evident. The new German Government was busy forming the Third Reich and motor sport was part of this reorganization effort. German drivers were not to take part in this political wheeling. The Bavarian AC in previous years had organized these meetings together with the Salzburger AC and this time cancelled their collaboration. So, the new masters of the Third Reich obviously did not allow German participation in this event. Altogether there were 38 cars and 38 motorcycles entered for the 10:00 AM start. The race took place in nice weather without any injuries in one accident. The hero of the day was Conte Trossi, who established a new outright record in 7 minutes 42.57 seconds with his Alfa Romeo 8C 2600 Monza racing car.

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[b]Sports Cars class G, 800 to 1100 cc, 4 started, 3 finished[/b]

11m12.97s...	Jacomo Raignoli	Fiat

11m19.39s...	Luigi Villoresi	Fiat 508

11m26.66s...	Wilfried Prosko	Amilcar





[b]Sports Cars class F, 1101 to 1500 cc, 7 started, 5 finished[/b] 

8m49.77s	...Ippolito Berone.....	Maserati

8m53.46s	...Laszlo Hartmann....	Bugatti

9m27.90s	...Ms. “Marcochina”Olgiate	Alfa Romeo

10m40.81s...Ms. Li. V. Wustrow	Bugatti

11m35.00s...Gianni Giusanni....	Alfa Romeo





[b]Sports Cars class E, 1501 to 2000 cc, 5 started, 5 finished[/b]

8m45.37s	G.A.H. Scholten	Bugatti

8m54.16s	Giuseppe Azzali	Alfa Romeo

9m17.52s	PioroTrevisan	Alfa Romeo

9m43.77s	Walter Norden	Alfa Romeo

10m01.73s	Georg v. Goldegg	Alfa Romeo





[b]Sports Cars class D, 2001 to 3000 cc, 5 started, 5 finished[/b]

8m11.9s	Mario Tadini	Alfa Romeo

8m29.46s	Hans Rüesch	Alfa Romeo

9m05.70s	Eugenio Zuccarini	Alfa Romeo

9m36.86s	Oreste Peverelli	Alfa Romeo

10m21.19s	Dr. Arnulf Zenkl	Austro-Daimler





[b]Sports Cars class C, 3000 to 5000 cc, 3 started, 3 finished[/b]

8m34.65s	Gildo Strazza	Lancia

10m02.13s	Georg Suppancic	Austro-Daimler

13m31.37s	Renoto Ferrari	Alfa Romeo [/color] 









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[b]Racing Cars class G, 800 to 1100 cc, 2 started, 1 finished[/b] 

8m36.95s	Guido Landi	Maserati





[b]Racing Cars class F, 1101 to 1500 cc, 3 started, 2 finished[/b]

8m24.18s	Hans Rüesch	Alfa Romeo

9m15.37s	André Vagniez	Maserati





[b]Racing Cars class E, 1501 to 2000 cc, 3 started, 2 finished[/b]

8m35.96s	Emilio Romano	Bugatti

8m26.81s	Ulrich Maag	Bugatti





[b]Racing Cars class A, B, C, D, 2001-8000 cc, 7 started, 7 finished[/b]

7m42.57s	Count Trossi	Alfa Romeo

7m50.29s	Gigi Premoli	BMP

7m55.84s	Hans Stuber	Bugatti

8m00.98s	H.P. Widengreen	Alfa Romeo

8m07.24s	Laszlo Hartmann	Bugatti

8m32.10s	Luigi Fagioli	Maserati

8m35.25s	Bruno Fontanini	Alfa Romeo [/color]

[Jonas]

Thank you so much for that! It was all that I wanted, and more
Thanks!!

[Marc Ceulemans]

Nothing to add, maybe a little detail. The Lancia of Strazza was a 4-litre Dilambda Special (but I don't remember my source)

[Hans Etzrodt]

A rough idea of how the course curved up the mountain. It was not a hill!

[Jonas]

Thanks again Hans!
Well, my bad; of course it was a mountain climb ;)

You wouldn't happen to have any photographs from the 1933 event? I'm mainly looking for photos on Widengren (surprise, surprise ) who was 4th.

[Hans Etzrodt]

I have 22 pictures from the 1933 event but none of them shows Widengren or his car.

[alessandro silva]

Hans, we might as well correct some Italian spelling mistakes:

Originally posted by Hans Etzrodt
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[code=auto:0] Sports Cars class G, 800 to 1100 cc, 4 started, 3 finished11m12.97s... Jacomo Raignoli Fiat GIACOMO RAGNOLI Sports Cars class F, 1101 to 1500 cc, 7 started, 5 finished 8m49.77s ...Ippolito Berone..... Maserati BERRONE 8m53.46s ...Laszlo Hartmann.... Bugatti9m27.90s ...Ms. “Marcochina”Olgiate Alfa Romeo This interesting. Olgiate is the town of origin, of Miss "Marocchina" who was Anna Maria Peduzzi, Comotti's wife 10m40.81s...Ms. Li. V. Wustrow Bugatti11m35.00s...Gianni Giusanni.... Alfa RomeoSports Cars class E, 1501 to 2000 cc, 5 started, 5 finished8m45.37s G.A.H. Scholten Bugatti8m54.16s Giuseppe Azzali Alfa Romeo9m17.52s PioroTrevisan Alfa Romeo PIERO 9m43.77s Walter Norden Alfa Romeo10m01.73s Georg v. Goldegg Alfa RomeoSports Cars class D, 2001 to 3000 cc, 5 started, 5 finished8m11.9s Mario Tadini Alfa Romeo8m29.46s Hans Rüesch Alfa Romeo9m05.70s Eugenio Zuccarini Alfa Romeo9m36.86s Oreste Peverelli Alfa Romeo10m21.19s Dr. Arnulf Zenkl Austro-DaimlerSports Cars class C, 3000 to 5000 cc, 3 started, 3 finished8m34.65s Gildo Strazza Lancia I always thought it was a Lambda 10m02.13s Georg Suppancic Austro-Daimler
13m31.37s Renoto Ferrari Alfa Romeo RENATO

[David McKinney]

Strazza's Lancia special was, I believe, based on a Lambda but with a 4-litre V8 Dilamda engine.

[Jonas]

Originally posted by Hans Etzrodt
I have 22 pictures from the 1933 event but none of them shows Widengren or his car.

Ok, well thanks anyway for looking!

[Hans Etzrodt]

Originally posted by alessandro silva
Hans, we might as well correct some Italian spelling mistakes:

Jacomo Raignoli Fiat --- GIACOMO RAGNOLI
Ippolito Berone --- BERRONE
Renoto Ferrari --- RENATO
These three names came courtesy AAZ(A) 1933 #7 p24, without my editing.

but

The following two are my doing.
Olgiate is the town of origin, of Miss "Marocchina" who was Anna Maria Peduzzi, Comotti's wife
Pioro Trevisan --- PIERO

[Stefan Schmidt]

What a funny thread, the Gaisberg is just 3 KM from my home..

[Hans Etzrodt]

Stefan – could you find us a better map of the Gaisberg-Strecke? Bitte?

[Stefan Schmidt]

Do you mean just the road uphill?

[Stefan Schmidt]

Look here

or here

[Hans Etzrodt]

Hmmm! Etwas irreführend. No clearly defined route. I also think the toolbar sign covers the beginning of the course, which would probably be the Gnigl area. Thank you anyway, Stefan.

On another note, I might be heading to Salzburg in August. At least we have planned already a Königsee boat-trip from our München headquarters and Salzburg is not far away. So, how worthwhile is a visit to Mozart's birth house?

[Stefan Schmidt]

The place were Mozart was born is 10 min. to go from starting place of the Gaisberg Rennen and very close to my place. Send me a message when you are there.

[Hans Etzrodt]

Originally posted by Stefan Schmidt
...Send me a message when you are there.

I should be there from August 2 to 12 but have no way of sending any messages, travelling without the ballast of phone or laptop.