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[Spunout]

There has been lots of discussion about how big percentage of F1 fans are Ferrari fans. Let´s do a little poll to find out the percentage among AtlasF1 members.

[dworsham]

this may seem contradictory but I am Tifosi who is keenly supporting Fisi this season.

[scheivlak]

Other: kinda like them (like a few others), but it's not my favourite team.

[BorderReiver]

I support nobody at the moment, I just observe and try to enjoy what (little) we have at the moment.

[Spunout]

"Other: kinda like them (like a few others), but it's not my favourite team."

That would be option 2, I guess - "/Ferrari is not my favourite team"



Clarification - if there is / it was designed to mean "if either of these two is true" heh.

[Raemius]

I used to be firstly a Ferrari fan, with Tyrrell and Lotus as two other teams I always cheered for.

Lotus disappeared.

Tyrrell disappeared.

Ferrari recruited Jean Todt.

Now I have no favourite team. I now follow a few drivers.

[FerrariFanInTexas]

My name says it all.

Which is not to saythat I always agree with everything they do, mind you! I'm not brainless.....

[bern@rd]

So far this poll tells a rather strange story.
What, by the way, is the perception that most fans are ferrari fans based on? The percentage of fans at races? Because there certainly is a large percentage of ferrari fans, but this could partially be explained by ferrari's curent winning streak and the other teams sucking so much ATM. And the fact that the tifosi are absolutely crazy about ferrari.

Can anyone give a link to a study that says a vast majority of the fans support ferrari?

[ivanalesi]

Well, Ferrari is arguably the greatest name in auto racing and probably one of the world's most recognized brands, I'm a fan of Ferrari but not in the previous state of Ferrari, i mean with Michael number 1 status always and so on, now I think that this is less obvious. But if i have to choose from all teams, i would choose either Ferrari/Sauber or Jordan, with equal driver status my choice is Ferrari, with Michael number 1 it is Sauber.

[davegp3]

If you watch crowds during GP weekend, I would say 50-70% of spectators are Ferrari fans. But overall I think the number is smaller, let's say 30%.

Regarding the poll, well, I think my choice is quite clear

[carbonfibre]

Of course you have the real long time Ferrari fans and the ones that just go with the flow. I can still remember the good old days with the loud V12 in the back and madman Alesi behind the wheel.

[schumyfan]

I support Ferrari because Schumy drives for them.

[scheivlak]

Thanks for the clarification, spunout!

Originally posted by carbonfibre
Of course you have the real long time Ferrari fans and the ones that just go with the flow. I can still remember the good old days with the loud V12 in the back and madman Alesi behind the wheel.

I still remember the V12 with Jacky Ickx and Chris Amon at the wheel That was the time I was a reeaaal Ferrari fan! (the flat 12s in the 70s I liked as well BTW -just think about that Ickx/Andretti/Regazzoni line-up)

[Scudetto]

Originally posted by schumyfan
I support Ferrari because Schumy drives for them.

Coincidentally, I support Schumy because he drives for Ferrari. Go figure.

[Deeq]

Originally posted by Scudetto


Coincidentally, I support Schumy because he drives for Ferrari. Go figure.

I am somewhat in somewhere between...atleast was originaly. But Now I support the team and the driver independently of each other. Just like I support FISI or KR!


But anyway I have voted for option #1...Yes intentionaly to screw a stupid poll.
FERRARI DON'T HAVE MORE OR MAJORITY OF THE FANS (PRIMARILY) BECAUSE THEY ARE WINNING NOW.

[rosemeyer]

Even though Ferrari is 2 seconds slower I think they are sand bagging.

[Henri Greuter]

I voted option 3 because 4 is a bit too extreme for me.
Yes I love to see Ferrari win 19 races this season, despite likely MS doing most of those wins.
But I don't agree with them signing on with F1 and stay on with Ecclestone and thus causing a split within F1 and yet again helping out Ecclestone keeping filling his pockets...
Fan: yes, critical: yes as well.


Henri Greuter

[Schuting Star]

Originally posted by Deeq
Now I support the team and the driver independently of each other.

I always have. I've always been a fan of Ferrari but also have a soft spot for Williams and of course I'm a fan of Michael so hope that whoever he drives for does well. I also hope Ralf does well which was easy at Williams but I'm not that keen on Toyota but I'll keep my fingers crossed for them anyway. Probably means I'll only need to keep my fingers crossed for the first few laps.

[Frogman]

Originally posted by Schuting Star
I always have. I've always been a fan of Ferrari but also have a soft spot for Williams and of course I'm a fan of Michael so hope that whoever he drives for does well. I also hope Ralf does well which was easy at Williams but I'm not that keen on Toyota but I'll keep my fingers crossed for them anyway. Probably means I'll only need to keep my fingers crossed for the first few laps.

For me it's actually completely the other way around.
I'm a Williams fan with a soft spot for ferrari and a strong disliking towards MS. Can't be bothered about Ralf either.
I can't really say why I dislike MS though. It's in part because of '94 and '97 and in part because he just gets on my nerves I guess.

[pit5bul]

Ok... i got a soft spot for Ferrari , but im a JPM fan.... but...
Between Ferrari and JPM , JPM comes on top ( because i dislike MS and Barrichelo ) and this year ill root for McLaren !
maybe in the future i will see JPM drive a Ferrari

[racing_lines]

I was a fan of Ferrari my whole life. I lived for the team and considered myself true Tifosi.

Maybe I just grew up... or maybe the Scuderia Ferrari of the 21st century is not the same team we knew in the 20th. This whole idea that F1 cannot exist without Ferrari and vice versa has given the team almost carte blanche within the sport. They are, quite simply, above the law... or at least a law unto themselves, and I'm not just referring to them on track, but in the paddock and in the corridors of power, too.

Incidents such as Austria/USA etc plus the team's refusal to see sense in these tough times has left me deeply resentful and angry.

Watching Ferrari win (on those rare occasions in the 1990s) used to fill me with inquantifiable joy. The sound of the V12 used to send a shiver up my spine and make me want to cry. Now, i enjoy nothing more than seeing the team beaten.

It pains me to say it, but a Tifosi I am no more

[hmradcliffe]

Ferrari always strike me as being the Manchester United of Formula 1, you get a lot of people who love them, you get a lot of people who hate them and you get a lot of people who dont have too much afinity to one team, but if they feel they want to support one, they pick the most famous ie Ferrari.

I would really like to love Ferrari, but their current employee's drive me nuts and their seeming ability to manipulate the FIA is dispicable.

Schumacher Ive grown to respect over the years, as there's no denying his skill and beneath it all he seems a genuinely nice guy (off the race track). But Ross Brown drives me up the wall and Todt isnt much better.

I'd feel that there would be a lot more respect for what Ferrari have achieved over the years, if there wasn't that underlying feeling of cheating/ manipulating the rules to achieve their ends. If you felt they'd won everything fair and square, you'd happily take your hat off to them.

Shame really.

[Icicle]

I am Schufosi.


Icicle

[philhitchings]

Originally posted by Scudetto


Coincidentally, I support Schumy because he drives for Ferrari. Go figure.

I support Schumi and I support Ferrari, the fact that he drives for them means I have all my eggs in one basket. (I used to get really torn when he beat Alesi and Berger) go figure also ;)

[CONOSUR]

Originally posted by philhitchings
I support Schumi and I support Ferrari, the fact that he drives for them means I have all my eggs in one basket.

Bingo.

[littlewoodenboy]

i liked ferrari when the cars were red, powered by v-12's, and they had berger and alesi. maybe it is just me getting nostalgic, but even though the results were mostly crap, there was so much passion there. now it is an institution.

[Scudetto]

Originally posted by littlewoodenboy
maybe it is just me getting nostalgic, but even though the results were mostly crap, there was so much passion there.

Yeah, the Ferrari pit crew passionately trying to figure out what to do when a car actually lasted long enough to make a pitstop. Ferrari engineers passionately trying to figure out how to make active suspension and driver aids work. Ferrari designers passionately trying to create a car with only slightly better aerodynamics than a barn door. Ferrari engine builders passionately trying to create a motor that used less petrol over a race distance than most underdeveloped countries use in a year.

Still loved 'em, though.

[Sakae]

Originally posted by racing_lines
... or maybe the Scuderia Ferrari of the 21st century is not the same team we knew in the 20th. This whole idea that F1 cannot exist without Ferrari and vice versa has given the team almost carte blanche within the sport. They are, quite simply, above the law... or at least a law unto themselves, and I'm not just referring to them on track, but in the paddock and in the corridors of power, too.

When this nightmare actually happened, and who (or what) caused it?

[littlewoodenboy]

Originally posted by Scudetto


Yeah, the Ferrari pit crew passionately trying to figure out what to do when a car actually lasted long enough to make a pitstop. Ferrari engineers passionately trying to figure out how to make active suspension and driver aids work. Ferrari designers passionately trying to create a car with only slightly better aerodynamics than a barn door. Ferrari engine builders passionately trying to create a motor that used less petrol over a race distance than most underdeveloped countries use in a year.

Still loved 'em, though.

no kidding. back then you couldn't help rooting for ferrari. when berger won in germany in '94, even though it was a sendup, i was happy for weeks. and at monza later that year when alesi's camera smashed bergers front upright, it was depressing. now al i see are orange cars festooned with stickers...

[Seat18E]

I am a Ferrari fan. However not of this current "corporate" installment.

[carbonfibre]

Originally posted by littlewoodenboy


no kidding. back then you couldn't help rooting for ferrari. when berger won in germany in '94, even though it was a sendup, i was happy for weeks. and at monza later that year when alesi's camera smashed bergers front upright, it was depressing. now al i see are orange cars festooned with stickers...

But i hope you still respect the team and the driver if they win. Michael and the whole Ferrari team have worked so hard to get to this point you can only have a great amount of respect for that.

Im sure that Berger and Alesi wouldnt have mind a 2002 or 2004 season back when they were struggling in 93,94.;)

[Seal]

Ferrari fan over here.

[tifosi]

Unlike FerrariFanInTexas I am totally brainless, hence I go ape-**** over anything Ferrari does. Hell I cheer for Ferraris in the Ferrari challenge. I still remember my first Canadien Grand Prix. Early on Friday morning when the little red cars came storming through turns 8 and 9 I think it was (Stand 33), I coulda gone home then and been perfectly happy. And seeing those beuatiful cars lined up Thursday night on Peel street.
I don't remember when or why I feel in love with Ferrari, it was back in the early 70's and I had never heard of F1 or Grand Prix Racing. I think it was that second Cheech and Chong Movie. The little Dino, I believe it was..

[littlewoodenboy]

Originally posted by carbonfibre
But i hope you still respect the team and the driver if they win. Michael and the whole Ferrari team have worked so hard to get to this point you can only have a great amount of respect for that.

Im sure that Berger and Alesi wouldnt have mind a 2002 or 2004 season back when they were struggling in 93,94.;)

no one can take away the massive success ferrari have had recently. the dream team have been so good for so long that they rest of us are jaded.

[Maranello Man]

Originally posted by Spunout
There has been lots of discussion about how big percentage of F1 fans are Ferrari fans. Let´s do a little poll to find out the percentage among AtlasF1 members.

What do you think?

[JForce]

The poll seems to blow away the premise that Atlas is a Ferrari forum.

Certainly seems like the majority dislike Ferrari.

[AlexS]

Do you know what means "majority" ?

[djellison]

Originally posted by JForce
The poll seems to blow away the premise that Atlas is a Ferrari forum.

Certainly seems like the majority dislike Ferrari.

There's 10 teams on the grid - and 37% of the people here support Ferrari.

Seems to me there's a 370% representation here

Doug

[Gilles4Ever]

Originally posted by tifosi
Unlike FerrariFanInTexas I am totally brainless, hence I go ape-**** over anything Ferrari does. Hell I cheer for Ferraris in the Ferrari challenge. I still remember my first Canadien Grand Prix. Early on Friday morning when the little red cars came storming through turns 8 and 9 I think it was (Stand 33), I coulda gone home then and been perfectly happy. And seeing those beuatiful cars lined up Thursday night on Peel street.
I don't remember when or why I feel in love with Ferrari, it was back in the early 70's and I had never heard of F1 or Grand Prix Racing. I think it was that second Cheech and Chong Movie. The little Dino, I believe it was..

[mimin]

I support Michael first, and because Michael drives for Ferrari I sopport Ferrari.

[lurimaya]

Ferrari Formula 1 team fan... first, last and always, forever more amen!! The only team for me! Proud and happy to be a fan till the end of time...

[djellison]

Originally posted by lurimaya
Ferrari Formula 1 team fan... first, last and always, forever more amen!! The only team for me! Proud and happy to be a fan till the end of time...

This is what gripes me. You support them like a Religion, and as such they could never do anything wrong in your eyes - and that is an unhealthy attitude to take to a team like Ferrari

Doug

[SB]

Not me .......... just because I dont like Mr Schumacher.

Sorry Sir

[Gilles4Ever]

Originally posted by djellison


This is what gripes me. You support them like a Religion, and as such they could never do anything wrong in your eyes - and that is an unhealthy attitude to take to a team like Ferrari

Doug

So passion automatically precludes intelligence?

and vice versa?

[LB]

Originally posted by Gilles4Ever


So passion automatically precludes intelligence?

and vice versa?

No but complete devotion precludes rational thought in this scenario.


I used to like ferrari, a long long time ago....

[fifi]

Originally posted by BorderReiver
I support nobody at the moment, I just observe and try to enjoy what (little) we have at the moment.

what he said

[tifosi]

Originally posted by djellison


This is what gripes me. You support them like a Religion, and as such they could never do anything wrong in your eyes - and that is an unhealthy attitude to take to a team like Ferrari

Doug

Not true at all.

Things Ferrari have done wrong:
Hiring John Barnard
Allowing Barnad to keep his works in England
Hiring Mika Salo when Schumacher got injured (no offense to Salo)
Implementing team orders in Austria.
Not establishing a works team for Lemans
Never winning Indy

Just as many Catholics criticize aspects of their religion, you can be a fan of Ferrari, Man U, the Yankees, or even Montreal (okay well maybe being a Canadiens fans supercedes religion, I'll have to defer to true Montrealers on that), and still be critical of things they do.

[Gilles4Ever]

Originally posted by djellison

This is what gripes me. You support them like a Religion, and as such they could never do anything wrong in your eyes - and that is an unhealthy attitude to take to a team like Ferrari

OK with a team like McLaren?

[djellison]

Originally posted by Gilles4Ever


OK with a team like McLaren?

I've never seen this religous devotion with any other team - just to Ferrari. They could turn up with the engine from an F15 on the back of their car - burn the rest of the grid - finish in a 1-2, and there are Ferrari fans who would say "but it doesnt say you cant use F15 engines in the regs - it's just anti-Ferrari bias if you ban them now"

OK - bad example - but that is the sort of BLIND dedication that Ferrari fans give that no other team I've seen has. It's why there's so many arguments in this place - because a Ferrari fan will never admit that anything Ferrari have/do/want/give/get could ever be anything other that 100% right, accurate and moral.

Maybe it just comes with the Italian persona - but it makes debating any issue regarding ferrari quite pointless - because they'll never conceed any ground on any matter.


Doug

[tifosi]

Originally posted by djellison

OK - bad example - but that is the sort of BLIND dedication that Ferrari fans give that no other team I've seen has. It's why there's so many arguments in this place - because a Ferrari fan will never admit that anything Ferrari have/do/want/give/get could ever be anything other that 100% right, accurate and moral.


Doug

Okay would it be like the fans who blast Schumacher for '97 but think Senna walked on water in '90? Kind of like that huh?? See it aint just Ferrari fans. And I've been with many Ferrri fans who have criticized things they do. Ever sit around a bunch of Ferrari fans and discuss the dropping of the V12? Fans blasted the company for that.