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#1 Peter North

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 11:16

Does any one have any information on the team budgets for the 2005 season? I've been reading rumours that Red Bull will be injecting about $100 million into the team every year. What about Midland Group? Surely a company such as Midland could match that figure. Also, it will be interesting to see how Sauber's budget has decreased with the loss of Red Bull. Can they still finance their recently built wind tunnel and further developments in the car? And then there is Minardi, the perennial Minnows of F1. I recently read a quote of $35 million budget for the team. Compare that to a reported $400 million budget for the Ferrari team and it is truly remarkable they remain within 96% performance of the top teams.

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#2 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 11:21

Peter North! Helluva name there buddy! :rotfl: :up:

Autosport says $38 million for Minardi this year. :smoking:

#3 tifosi

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 11:21

Toyota $There is no biudget, it's kind of like George Bush accounting.
Ferrari $25,600,000,000
Williams $ 25,000,000
BAR $ 20,000,000
Renault $ 15,000,000
Red Bull $ 10,000,000
Sauber $ 10,000,000
Jordan $ 5,000,000
Minardi $ 5,000,000
McLaren $ 3.67

#4 Group B

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 11:25

Originally posted by tifosi
Toyota $There is no biudget, it's kind of like George Bush accounting.
Ferrari $25,600,000,000
Williams $ 25,000,000
BAR $ 20,000,000
Renault $ 15,000,000
Red Bull $ 10,000,000
Sauber $ 10,000,000
Jordan $ 5,000,000
Minardi $ 5,000,000
McLaren $ 3.67


:lol:

I'm not sure what's funnier, Bush or McLaren.

#5 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 11:30

Originally posted by Group B


:lol:

I'm not sure what's funnier, Bush or McLaren.


I'll second that. :rotfl:

Peter North - that is one hell of a nick to live up to. :up:

#6 Jodum5

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 12:03

OT but who the hell is Peter North?

#7 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 12:18

Originally posted by Jodum5
OT but who the hell is Peter North?

http://www.google.co.....2peter north"

#8 rgagne

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 00:21

Originally posted by Gilles4Ever

http://www.google.co.....2peter north"


...and expect lots of pop-ups if you click any of the links in the list!

#9 Peter North

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 06:22

I'll ask again. Does anyone have estimates of the team budgets for this season?

#10 Dudley

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 14:21

Originally posted by Peter North
I'll ask again. Does anyone have estimates of the team budgets for this season?


You might want to look up the word estimate. Tifosi gave you an answer. :)

#11 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 14:34

Originally posted by Peter North
I'll ask again. Does anyone have estimates of the team budgets for this season?


You wont even get estimates, its all guess work and discussions on the topic are not pretty. Do a search in the archived threads you will get some idea of the figures. You might also try grandprix.com

Off the top of my head The top teams are around $400 million.

Then for Ferrari, McLaren and Williams decrease the amounts (Ferrari say they are battling financially, Mercedes and BMW have supposedly cut their funding of McLaren and Williams respectively), Toyota you could most probably increase, I dont know about the others. RBR are getting about $100 million

#12 xype

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 14:37

Originally posted by Gilles4Ever

Peter North - that is one hell of a nick to live up to. :up:



I hope you guys wont be too hard to him when he doesn't live up to it. :p

#13 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 17:39

Toyota 298.7mil USD
McLaren 293.85
Ferrari 287.9
Renault 274.60
Williams 262.45
BAR 238.65
Red Bull 176.35
Sauber 98.38
Jordan 51.35
Minardi 46.60


Newest issue of BusinessF1 *shrug*

#14 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 17:42

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Toyota 298.7mil USD
McLaren 293.85
Ferrari 287.9
Renault 274.60
Williams 262.45
BAR 238.65
Red Bull 176.35
Sauber 98.38
Jordan 51.35
Minardi 46.60


Newest issue of BusinessF1 *shrug*


Wow less than I thought. Sauber & BAR are seriously impressive on their budget if these figures are accurate.

#15 Ozz88

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 17:50

And when is Toyota going to deliver, if accurate?

#16 Group B

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 17:54

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Toyota 298.7mil USD
McLaren 293.85
Ferrari 287.9
Renault 274.60
Williams 262.45
BAR 238.65
Red Bull 176.35
Sauber 98.38
Jordan 51.35
Minardi 46.60


Newest issue of BusinessF1 *shrug*


:eek: How dare you Ross - a list that suggests Ferrari don't have at least 3 times the budget of every other team combined; to our poor little resident trolls you'll be the guy who killed Bambi.

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 18:01

If Sauber has a budget around $100 mill, can't they afford to run a third car on fridays ? I really feel for that team for notbeing able to take this friday advantage which would help them on Sunday a lot.

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 18:05

So whats the excuse for McLaren, Williams etc now?

They clearly have enough money to at least be equel to Ferrari and still they cant manage to win title's the last couple of seasons. Ferrari is more efficiënt i guess.

And Ferrari also have to build an engine of that budget and teams like McLaren and Williams dont have to do that.

#19 tifosi

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 18:06

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Toyota 298.7mil USD
McLaren 293.85
Ferrari 287.9
Renault 274.60
Williams 262.45
BAR 238.65
Red Bull 176.35
Sauber 98.38
Jordan 51.35
Minardi 46.60


Newest issue of BusinessF1 *shrug*


Posting that kind of crap just ruins your credibility further Ross. Everyone on this BB knows damn well Ferari has 47 times the budget of McLaren Willaims Toyota, Honda and Renault combined. Why would you post such drivel?

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 18:15

Originally posted by carbonfibre

And Ferrari also have to build an engine of that budget and teams like McLaren and Williams dont have to do that.


Oh good you have the breakdown of the budgets. Can you provide a link?

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 18:19

Originally posted by Group B


:eek: How dare you Ross - a list that suggests Ferrari don't have at least 3 times the budget of every other team combined; to our poor little resident trolls you'll be the guy who killed Bambi.


Technically it would be the guy who killed Bambi's mother!!

:cool:

#22 tifosi

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 18:52

Next thing you know Ross will be coming on here saying Ferrari run V-10 normally aspirated engines, when we all know Ferarri use turbo charged V12s at 5.0 liters huge sticky racing slicks and full active suspension.

Oh yeah and just in case anyone starts to catch Schumacher RB can activate an "auto" governor on aany competitors car.

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 19:14

Originally posted by carbonfibre
They clearly have enough money to at least be equel to Ferrari and still they cant manage to win title's the last couple of seasons. Ferrari is more efficiënt i guess.



So on one end we have Ferrari and Sauber showing what can be done with a certain amount of money, BAR, Renault, Jordan and Minardi showing what should at least be expected and the rest (McLaren, Jaguar, Williams and Toyota) showing how, with a bit of management cluelessness, a lot of money can be wasted.

They should really use Formula 1 when teaching young business majors.

#24 Dudley

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 19:14

Originally posted by carbonfibre
So whats the excuse for McLaren, Williams etc now?

They clearly have enough money to at least be equel to Ferrari and still they cant manage to win title's the last couple of seasons. Ferrari is more efficiënt i guess.

And Ferrari also have to build an engine of that budget and teams like McLaren and Williams dont have to do that.


Judging by those figures that is probably the "including engine" figures for all teams although to be honest that's horrible guesswork at the best of times.

That said, yes. Ferrari do spend their budget well.

EDIT : I'm having trouble believing Red Bull are paying quite that much.

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 21:14

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Toyota 298.7mil USD
McLaren 293.85
Ferrari 287.9
Renault 274.60
Williams 262.45
BAR 238.65
Red Bull 176.35
Sauber 98.38
Jordan 51.35
Minardi 46.60


Newest issue of BusinessF1 *shrug*


Is there a list of driver salaries in it as well Ross? Thanks