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[eldougo]

Looking at the above photograph of the Matra -Ford it has aplain flat wing nothing on the side to control the air flow. This made me wonder WHO was the first team to use endplate on their rear & front wings .The only one i know is Ferrari 312 with the midmounted wing 1968. or did some one else do it first.

[Ray Bell]

I think you're probably right, Doug...

Most aerofoils of that early experimental era were simply that. Aerofoils.

Makes you wonder how well a 747 would go with endplates, doesn't it?

[jcbc3]

They just did add them!!!!






(and don't spoil my joke by stating the bleeding obvious that the purpose of those endplates and the F1's are fundamentally different).

[Wolf]

I'm fairly certain hig-wing Brabhams did have endplates...

[Stephen W]

I suspect the reason for a lack of end plates on the MS80 was that the tea-tray rear wing was cobbled together quickly when they banned the high wings after the Spanish GP.

At the International Trophy, Silverstone March 30th 1969, the McLarens and Matras had end plates on their high wings. The rest, including Ferrari did not!

By the time of the Dutch Grand Prix, Zandvoort June 21st 1969, the high wings had been banned and the McLarens had end plates as did the Lotus 63 4-w-d. None of the others did.

Finally by the time the teams were at Silverstone for the British Grand Prix in July there were only two teams without end plates on the tea tray wings - BRM and the MS84 used by Beltoise (the MS80s did have end plates!).

Throughout the remainder of the year teams played around with aerodynamics, at some meetings running end plates at others not. It wasn't until much later when the desiners started to utilise aerodynamics to squeeze more speed out of the cars that it became more of a science than a suck-it-and-see approach.

[rudi]

The Michael May wing on his Porsche had side plates

[bill moffat]

..but despite the absence of end-plates the Matra was way ahead of its time in sporting a pair of vertical fences on the nosecone to tidy up the airflow over the top of the car..nobody seemed to attach any great importance to them at the time. Seems odd that the same design philosophy was not immediately applied to the front and aft wings...

[eldougo]

Originally posted by Wolf
I'm fairly certain hig-wing Brabhams did have endplates...

I been unknown to find PICs to confirm this.

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rudi The Michael May wing on his Porsche had side plates

What is the MM Porsche.??

[petefenelon]

Originally posted by eldougo

What is the MM Porsche.??

There's a small picture (and some description) on Michael Fuller's excellent
Mulsanne's Corner website.

Basically it's a 550 with a large, high, mid-mounted wing, pre-dating bewinged single seaters by many years...

Chris Nelson also has some description of it.

[Wolf]

Elduogo, Scheivlak posted the pic here some time ago-



But it seems it's '69 Spanish GP...

Edit: there's an interesting (and relevant) post in the thread this pic popped up: http://forums.atlasf...709#post1018709

[eldougo]

Thanks Guys for all that info Posted on this subject that Porsche sure was well in front of it's time .

And that is the first time i have seen pics of the Brabham Highwing with end plates ,all the pics i have are like the Matra behind Jack.I must ask Ron Tauranac about them next time i see him.


Thanks

[Wolf]

How about six endplates, on Brabham bi-plane? (Pic gotten here at TNF a while back.)

[Stephen W]

Cor blimey Guvner! 'Tis the Red Baron himself in the old Triplane!

One wonders where it would have ended but for the Spainish GP crashes!

[D-Type]

Somewhat OT*
Has anybody noticed that in many pictures of early winged cars the front and rear wings are clearly not parallel so either the chassis was twisting or the supports were flexing.




*Well, at least it's still about wings

[bschenker]

Front = Frame mounted
Rear = Suspension hub mounted

[Ray Bell]

Mostly, however, the wings in such pictures are attached to the suspension...

Edit:.... Beat, you beat me to it!