Origin of Formula 1
Posted 02 August 2000 - 08:16
Therefore, if above holds true, all GP races from 1947 to 1949 were run to Formula A and NOT to Formula 1. Your comments and opinions about this topic will be greatly appreciated.
Posted 02 August 2000 - 08:46
Posted 02 August 2000 - 09:15
Thank you for your opinion. Do you say the 1947 to 1949 races were run to Formula A or Formula 1?
Posted 02 August 2000 - 13:41
There was an official championship in the pre-war years, but the title was 'European'... was that not good enough?
And wasn't there an African race that counted to that title?
Posted 02 August 2000 - 13:49
4500 cc normally aspirated and 1500 cc supercharged maximum engine capacity.
Circuits raced at:
1947: Bremgarten, Spa, Milan, Lyon, Monte Carlo
1948: Monte Carlo, Bremgarten, Reims, Turin, Silverstone
1949: Silverstone, Spa, Bremgarten, Reims, St. Gaudens, Monza, Brno
4500 cc normally aspirated and 1500 cc supercharged maximum engine capacity
Circuits raced at:
1950: Silverstone, Monte Carlo, Indianapolis, Bremgarten, Spa, Reims, Monza
1951: Bremgarten, Indianapolis, Spa, Reims, Silverstone, Nurburgring, Monza, Pedralbes
Cars that raced in the 1949 season and in F1's first season in 1950 (there may be a few others):
Others that differed from 1949 to 1950:
1949 ERA B type in 1949--ERA C and E Type in 1950. A ERA B type did race in the 1950 season opener at Silverstone.
Simca-Gordini T8 IN 1949--Simca-Gordini 15 in 1950.
Drivers who raced in the 1949 season and in F1's first season(note: there may be more than listed):
Juan Manuel Fangio
Emanuel de Graffenreid
So I ask the question, what was really that different from these seasons when compared to the first two F1 seasons? Nothing that I can find other than the inclusion of the Indianapolis 500 which very few Grand Prix drivers took part in.
Posted 02 August 2000 - 14:58
Posted 02 August 2000 - 15:20
In his book about the history of grand prix racing, Adriano Cimarosti says the first use of the term "Formula 1" was in 1947. This did apparently not involve the WDC as we know it since 1950. I'll look into it within a few days and see what Cimarosti said exactly.
BTW, the latest edition is from 1997 or 1998 and can still be bought, also in German.
Posted 02 August 2000 - 15:23
A few month ago exactly that was my question! Here I summarize the results of my investigations:
Early in the year 1946 the FIA intoduced the rules for the new 'Formula A' to be started with the beginning of the 1947-season !
But the organisers of the Valentino-GP decided to run their race according to those new rules already in 1946. Further the organizers of Circuito di Milano and of the GP du Salon (Paris) followed doing the same. So there were three races in 1946, based on the formula A rules, thought there was no official formula A in that year!
Formula A was not existing before 1946, although some authors say so! The name was changed to 'Formula 1' late in 1947 and generally being referred to as such by late 1948. Only a very few still referred to it as Formula A by 1949 - and even the FIA finally caved in that year.
In 1948 the FIA added 'Formula B' and it was universally called 'Formula 2' by the spring of 1949.
Later (1950) 'Formula 3' (500ccm unsupercharged) followed, but never was named 'Formula C' first.
Posted 02 August 2000 - 15:42
Also, we musn't forget that it was no new formula, but one which had existed pre-war as the voiturette category.
Posted 02 August 2000 - 16:06
The 500cc class never was very important before 1950. The lower classes pre-war were 1500cc (Voiturettes), 1100cc (often called cyclecars, only in the years 1926 and 1927 called Voiturettes - when 1500cc was the GP-class), and 750cc (without great importance). So you can say, F3 was a new sort of racing in 1950. And it was called 'Formula 3' from its beginning.
Posted 02 August 2000 - 16:33
Maybe it was known as Class H (I think 500cc is H)?
Posted 02 August 2000 - 19:19
Posted 02 August 2000 - 19:57
The 'Autocourse 50 Years' book says:
"Before the war. a change in Formula A regulations - effectively Formula 1 - had been pencilled in for 1941. These rules would call for 4.5-litre unsupercharged or 1.5-litre supercharged engines, and in 1945 the newly titled FIA quickly adopted these regulations for those who felt able to take part."
Hodges' 'A-Z of Formula Racing Cars' says:
"...the term formula being used as it became universally accepted after the second world war. ... By 1947 ... the Formula A that had been framed for 1941 (was) promulgated as Formula 1". He also says that this Formula ran until the end of 1953, and the 1952-53 World Championship was the only one to be held for Formula 2. So 'Formula 1' and 'Grand Prix' and 'World Championship' are certainly not synonymous (of course, the Indy 500 was part of the WC for a few years).
Nye's 1945-65 GP Car book says that:
During the Paris Show in October 1947, the FIA confirmed that the existing fait accaimpli of 1.5/4.5 should apply for Grand Prix racing until the end of 1953. They also adopted a new voiturette formula of 500cc/2-litre. To differentiate these two Formulae, the Grand Prix class was referred to as Formula A, the voiturette class as Formula B. They were to become better known as Formula 1 and Formula 2.
Cimarosti says that:
At the end of 1946, the newly formed FIA decided to establish new rules for Grand Prix racing, and for the first time the term 'Formula One' was used.
So, there isn't total agreement among these sources and none of them say when the term 'Formula A' was superceded by 'Formula 1'. Maybe Karl can help us?
BTW, just to make you guys jealous, I have won a trip to the Italian GP
Posted 02 August 2000 - 21:28
Posted 03 August 2000 - 01:33
By 1961, when it was dropped, there was a US GP and moves were afoot to get into Mexico and South Africa, even Australia would have looked a possibility with the opening of Warwick Farm.
Posted 03 August 2000 - 07:14