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[Shiftin]

... on a "Michelin track"

or vice versa.

Would the car be faster, slower... the same.

Idea (reasoning) behind it is. Would it be bad if we had multiple tyre-manufacturers where teams, or even drivers (of the same team) can chose from....

It would still be possible to have a winning tyre manufacturer.

Bad idea?

[BuonoBruttoCattivo]

According to Pierre Dupaksiquiat, the thing would fly!

[Buttoneer]

What would happen? Ferrrai's budget would drop by $36m a year.

[BRG]

Originally posted by Shiftin
Would the car be faster, slower... the same

I don't know. But it would answer an awful lot of questions about how good/bad the F2005 is compared to the others.

[Dragonfly]

Man, if I knew this I'd be a rich person now.
With the current situation even a test drive is impossible. So IMO no need to dig into so many IF's.

[TailG]

What would happen? FIA would suddenly rule those wide Michelin fronts legal...

[MuMu]

Michael will probably ruin them...

[arthurive]

Rather funny, the dialogue between diMontezemolo and the Toyota people.
Maybe Ferrari should go for that control tire now that Bridgestone is clearly
inferior to Michelin.

[Shiftin]

The reason I added "on a Michelin Track'' is because I thought cars were pretty much contstructed upon the tyres...

But let me ask it differently.

What if Renault would have used Bridgestones in Imola. Would they have been faster...

(basically the same question, but also different..... )

And any opinios on the idea of letting drivers pick a tyre they like. Either Bridgestone, Michelin (or even more). Wouldn't it be better then the preseasoned contracts. There will still be a lot to win for the manufacturers.

[philhitchings]

Ferrari would not be able to use the there are more Michelin runners than us argument to defend their testing approach this year. I personally have no problem with them testing, just the lame excuses

As for performance? probably better. But this years ferrari isn't just about tyres, despite what the team seem to be indicating. Ferrari have historically been hard on tyres. That is a Ferrari/Bridgestone issue not an exclusively Bridgstone issue IMO

[brett_sequeira]

im wondering here what if a teacm could choose any tyre it liked either bridgestone or michelin.
i think it would make the tyre race even worse as each tyre company would try to make the best trye so that all teams would have thier tyre

[arthurive]

Originally posted by arthurive
Rather funny, the dialogue between diMontezemolo and the BRIDGESTONE people.
Maybe Ferrari should go for that control tire now that Bridgestone is clearly
inferior to Michelin.

Sorry for the brainfade.

[SeanValen]

Questions like this make you wish everyone was on the same tyre, or FIA did a control tyre, make comparisons much easier between cars.

[polendo]

I think it would go slower. The F2005 would have to adapt/change/modify its suspension geometry to fit in the new Michelins accordingly.

[SeanValen]

Originally posted by polendo
I think it would go slower. The F2005 would have to adapt/change/modify its suspension geometry to fit in the new Michelins accordingly.

Yeah, so if they made those changes, it'll go fast right.

Your right of cource, but maybe the thread title should of expanded it's question in that, with some modifications, the ferrari would be fast on michelins, but none of us know the technical side of f1 that well, were just guessing.

[Heathcliff]

Ferrari/schumacher fans would need to find another excuse

[DaleCooper]

Originally posted by Heathcliff
Ferrari/schumacher fans would need to find another excuse

Here's one: Schumacher's excuse for being so quick and winning all those championships is .... THE TYRES!!

But then he should be consistent with his excuses, to be fair.


I just hope that the next time Kimi's Mercedes goes up in smoke and he is upset about it, you are the first to say: "Put a lid on it Kimi, no excuses, you should have put a finger in the crack and just driven faster!"


Cooper

[F1Champion]

Well Jenson's pretty sure that if the Ferrari's were on Michelin's they would be dominant.

[Vrba]

Originally posted by F1Champion
Well Jenson's pretty sure that if the Ferrari's were on Michelin's they would be dominant.

I don't think there's any doubt about that.

Hrvoje

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by Heathcliff
Ferrari/schumacher fans would need to find another excuse

Ferrari/schumacher haters would need to find something else to whine about Ferrari/schumacher fans.

[DEVO]

all the other teams would move to bridgestone... and then michelin would suck.

[Torx]

Schumacher would retire very soon.

[Vrba]

Originally posted by Torx
Schumacher would retire very soon.

He should have done so at the end of 2004.

Hrvoje

[Torx]

Originally posted by Vrba
He should have done so at the end of 2004.

Hrvoje

Luckily that didn't happen. It adds to the value of a new champion if MS gets beaten on the track.

[Ricardo F1]

It would be cack . . . the car is built around Bridgestone tyres. With a few weeks at Maranello, Fiorano, etc, the car would be damn quick. Quick as a McLaren? Possibly. Quicker? Possibly. But hey, Ferrari have reaped the benefits of having the best tyres since 2001, isn't it time it equalled out?

[Elena Graff]

As the car is basicly built around the tyers, The ferrari would be pretty bad if you was to put micherlins on it,
Remeber the trouble mclaren had when they made the late swich to micherlin.

Also i hate it when the argument of michelin has more mile of testing than bridgestone.
Because even though micherlin may suply the teams with micherlin tyers, you cant say for example the tyres renault use are exactley the same as the tyres toyota use.
the teams have tyres with a spec to suit their car.

The facts:-
1.Ferrari are bad losers.
2 Bridgestone suck.
3 MS likes to whine

[RiDE]

Originally posted by Elena Graff

The facts:-
1.Ferrari are bad losers.
2 Bridgestone suck.
3 MS likes to whine

I would like to see your proof for #3 unless you're just one of the trolls around here who are as bad as the Ferrari haters and Ferrari fanboys.

I have not seen anything come from his mouth except for politically correct speeches standing up for his team and Bridgestone. It maybe boring but it's far from what you're saying.

In fact the only Schumacher that whines a lot is Ralf.

[Elena Graff]

Originally posted by RiDE


I would like to see your proof for #3

i have a book by micheal schumacher the title is " i am a whining little piggy"

Dont have no proof, i just thought i would throw number 3 in for good mesure

[mclarenroxxors]

Originally posted by Elena Graff

The facts:-
1.Ferrari are bad losers.
2 Bridgestone suck.
3 MS likes to whine

Haha I like it how you use facts here reminds me of w00t ;)

[Tantor]

On Michelin tyres Ferrari would be on the top in qualifying. Ferrari would not need 20+ laps to get the tyres on the right temperature. The tyres would held the whole race.

I think it would be much like 2004.

[DEVO]

i hate fanbois... these same fanbois will argue that if you put MS in a Minardi he will finish in the points, if not win.

somehow a ferrari on bs doesn't rate. i don't get it.

[HSJ]

Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo
According to Pierre Dupaksiquiat, the thing would fly!

I'm kinda waiting for Pierre to say again: "If Ferrari were on Michelins, there would be no championship!"

I dare you, Pierre!

[eoin]

Originally posted by Tantor
On Michelin tyres Ferrari would be on the top in qualifying. Ferrari would not need 20+ laps to get the tyres on the right temperature. The tyres would held the whole race.

I think it would be much like 2004.

Ferrari don't need 20 laps to get the tyres up to temp, max 2. There problem in Barca was that the tyres were graining for the first 10 laps.

[wegmann]

Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo
According to Pierre Dupaksiquiat, the thing would fly!

I like the spelling!

[FordFan]

I would have said they'd dominate, except that Sauber's performance this year has been rather underwhelming. BAR made a big jump in performance, Sauber did not - and Toyota has shown that teams can make great leaps without a tyre change.

Don't know.

[RuB]

Originally posted by F1Champion
Well Jenson's pretty sure that if the Ferrari's were on Michelin's they would be dominant.

Yes, and if he drives it then he would win all races....


Everybody blames BS, but remember, the F2005 came too late, and without testing it. The car is really good, its obvious, but The tyres must be tested with the car too, and this is what Michelin teams did on the preseason...

In a short time they will be on top, i dont doubt it...

[peroa]

Originally posted by FordFan
I would have said they'd dominate, except that Sauber's performance this year has been rather underwhelming. BAR made a big jump in performance, Sauber did not - and Toyota has shown that teams can make great leaps without a tyre change.

Don't know.

Of course BAR made a huge jump. Geoff Willis is the designer and he knew Michelin inside-out from Williams. That was not surprising.

[Dudley]

What would happen if you would put Michelin tyres on a Ferrari..

Lawsuit.

[logic]

I guess the tyres would vanish secretly. Some spectators would note that they saw a man in red suit escaping with four black and round things. Also the suspected had some text in his suit "Bad Stones" or something.

[A Wheel Nut]

If you put Michelins on a Ferrari Michael Schumacher and the entire Ferrari team and their fans would kiss your feet for brininging them back in to the championship, the Michelin runners would beat the crap out of you for brininging Ferrari back in to the championship and the FIA would drag your ass through the courts for brininging the sport in to disrepute.

[tifosi]

Originally posted by Elena Graff

The facts:-
1.Ferrari are bad losers.
2 Bridgestone suck.
3 MS likes to whine

Wow, took to post 26 for the flameing to start

#1 - How do you define that, what has Ferrari done to earn the bad loser title.
#2 - Everyone including BS admit they are performing poorly
#3 - When???

[etoipi]

Ferrari are primarily resposnible for the predicament they find themselves in now - the cosy and effectively exclusive arrangements Ferrari have cultivated with Bridgestone over the last few years seems to be rebounding on them. It is probably recoverable, in time ............ (but maybe not this year)