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[tojack]

Jarno Trulli surely wins in this category. I mean Jarno had to play second fiddle to Flavio's star "Alonso", no knock against Alonso in the least. Yet Jarno has excelled this year for Toyota on a fraction of the money Shumi Jr is earning.

Mike Gascoyne is performing wonders IMO at Toyota this year, did we have any doubts? Yet Jarno is head and shoulders above his highly rated team mate Ralf! Why?

[HP]

Trulli I agree. Then Rubens Barrichello.

Considering some Anti-MS rants however, you'd think MS would win this category as well.

[Oho]

Originally posted by HP
Trulli I agree. Then Rubens Barrichello.

Considering some Anti-MS rants however, you'd think MS would win this category as well.

Indeed however Michael also scores high on the most over rated contest as well.

[jonpollak]

I pick Nick

Jp

[HP]

Originally posted by Oho


Indeed however Michael also scores high on the most over rated contest as well.

Agreed,

And I also agree with JP on Nick. I'd put him on P3 in this list for the time being.

[Sergino]

I personally don't think that Jarno is underrated any more. It could had been said some years ago, but from the beginning of the previous season Jarno's skill and potential is crystal clear. And he made a tremendous improvement leaving the "one lap driver tag" way behind. he has absolutely matured by now.

As for answering your question. In the actual driver line-up there are two dark horses for me, whom I account great potential. It's just a feeling not based upon too much analysis though. So I'd pick Karthikeyan, and Massa for this title. Both are quite consistent in their runs, driving close to the limit. Narain has to learn a lot though but I feel the energy and the power in his showings. He is the absolute surprise for me of this season. he's got the talent it's out of question. Massa needs no explanation I think. He has been always underrated thanks to Mr. Sauber, who always reckoned Massa as a crasher wich is a complete bullshit. He's bloody fast, and he is Alesi's favourite too. I was surprised reading this, because I discovered Felipe earlier, and I'm glad that my opinion is similar to Jean's.
And finally I think Heidfeld is a little bit underrated because he doesn't like to be in the limelight, despite he beats every teammate, and he keeps grinding into pulp even Webber - the most overrated driver of the field.

[Jason]

JT and NH, IMO. What about Massa? He's making the former WDC look slow in comparison.

[kismet]

Something these underrated drivers seem to have in common - an overrated teammate. Imagine that.

[bigbrickz]

1) Massa
2) Rubens
3) Klein
4) Heidfeld

[Arrow]

I think jarno is overrated. For 1.5 years he was made to look like ricardo patrase by his inexperienced team-mate, yet now hes a superstar?

[checkonetwo]

i´d say trulli, there`s still a lot of people questioning his race pace, some calling him a mobile chicane or trolley. i think he`s a championship contender if the car´s up to it. maybe not this year though.
klien improved a lot on last year and should be given a drive asap. massa is also probably better than most might think, kartheykian is already starting to become widely recognised as a genuine talent, i would gather from postings here.

but trulli has been underrated for years, and he still is.

[RJL]

villeneuve

[ryka]

My choice is Jarno Trulli.
This Italian was underrated for years and years by fans and media. It seems to be some kind of prejudice! He was quick, knew how to work with car, outperformed almost all of his teammates and managed to do a good job even driving bad cars... But no one wanted to notice it! In 2004 and in 2005 he has good car, so all can see his real potential. Jarno's only real problem was that he's very emotional person and has sensitive soul, but now he matured and managed to cope with it.

The second one is Nick Heidfeld.
This fellow is also very quick and understands cars and racing. I'm very happy that now Nick has a chance to show his abilities.

[MortenF1]

Originally posted by ryka
My choice is Jarno Trulli.
This Italian was underrated for years and years by fans and media. It seems to be some kind of prejudice! He was quick, knew how to work with car, outperformed almost all of his teammates and managed to do a good job even driving bad cars... But no one wanted to notice it! In 2004 and in 2005 he has good car, so all can see his real potential. Jarno's only real problem was that he's very emotional person and has sensitive soul, but now he matured and managed to cope with it.

The second one is Nick Heidfeld.
This fellow is also very quick and understands cars and racing. I'm very happy that now Nick has a chance to show his abilities.

You're wrong I think. Trulli has been very highly rated since '97, (especially after A1-Ring that year; was on course for pole, and led the race for a while) though there have been reservations about his race-craft, and rightly so. He had a habit of dozing off towards the end, but he has improved on that.

[kodandaram]

Ha ha - I guess JV fans wouldn't mind saying Villeneuve after some of the derisive remarks about him of late. ...


I think Nick would be the chap . Even though he is giving Webber a run for his money - nobody seems to talk him up.

[SlateGray]

Undarated.
Massa
Quick Nick

Overated.
Webber
Ralf

[rfus]

Personally, I would say that I've very much underated Trulli, even last year. It's not until this year that I have realised he is the real deal.

[skinnylizard]

Rubens cant be underrated. no way. he has won on and off and has been beaten into the ground by Michael.
presently the only drivers i could think of would be Nick Heidfeld. Jarno mabe but he has come good and delivered from last year, so not underated anymore.

[ryka]

Originally posted by race addicted


You're wrong I think. .(..) Trulli has been very highly rated since '97. but (...) there have been reservations about his race-craft, and rightly so. He had a habit of dozing off towards the end, but he has improved on that.

I'm not so sure that I'm completely wrong!;)
I'm a old Formula 1 fan and I also noticed the boy in 97 (but even before A1 Ring) and since that time traced his career very carefully. Jarno in his youth wasn't consistent, that's true - too emotional. He has some bad races, yes, but also he did good job and had some very good races, too. But people tended to notice only his bad races and strangely not to notice good ones.

[MortenF1]

Originally posted by ryka


I'm not so sure that I'm completely wrong!;)
I'm a old Formula 1 fan and I also noticed the boy in 97 (but even before A1 Ring) and since that time traced his career very carefully. Jarno in his youth wasn't consistent, that's true - too emotional. He has some bad races, yes, but also he did good job and had some very good races, too. But people tended to notice only his bad races and strangely not to notice good ones.

Perhaps not completely wrong, but nevertheless wrong.

I seem to recall F1 Racing talking him up, louding him as Frentzen's obvious successor.

[Vilenova]

Heidfeld, Trulli and Rubens.

DOn't get me started on the overrated ones.

And BTW, how can you overrate a 7X WDC?

[WACKO]

Nick Heidfeld and Felipe Massa. I didn't rate Massa high either, but it seems he has matured pretty well and doing a great job compared to a driver formerly known as a world champion...

[Jodum5]

Originally posted by SlateGray
Undarated.
Massa
Quick Nick

Overated.
Webber
Ralf

Ralf Schumacher overated?? I havent heard anyone praise this guy ever . Maybe you mean overpaid there I would agree. And thats down to him having a great manager and a naiive employer.

DEfinately Massa, Trulli are both the most underated drivers. Nick too

[ssilviu]

under rated: De la Rosa
over rated: MS

[eoin]

I don't think there is anyone that is really underrated at the moment. All the top guys are in the top teams.

[Keffo]

Nick Heidfeld...

[Nancsi706]

Underrated (in order) : Heidfeld, R Schumacher, Fisichella, Barrichello, Coulthard

Overrated (in order) : Räikkönen............................................................., Webber, Alonso

[SeanValen]

Originally posted by ssilviu
under rated: De la Rosa

I was impressed by De La Rosa's drive in Behrain, a bit rusty as he hasn't raced for a while, but he has good pace at times, he wouldn't be bad at all in a top car, it's only in a troubled car, problems with handeling and stuff, he isn't keen in, such was his Jaguar days, but alot of drivers, like Ralf have been like that then performed well when everything was right.

[ViMaMo]

Originally posted by Nancsi706
Underrated (in order) : Heidfeld, R Schumacher, Fisichella, Barrichello, Coulthard

Overrated (in order) : Räikkönen............................................................., Webber, Alonso

Your choice makes me speechless.

Ralf is under rated?

Fisi is definitely not under rated, he is under the covers... meaning people are not talking about him this season, let him beat FA in a couple of races...

DC is not under rated, people do agree that he is not a WDC contender but he is a very good driver.

Overrated... maybe Webber but pls not Alonso nor Kimi.

[Zmeej]

Agree with jonpollak et alia about Heidfeld.

Also agree with RJL about Jaquinho, although I'm surprised that nobody has bitten, or rather, snapped back, on that subject.

Judging from the threads about him, there's no way anybody could argue that point because of the many millions who underrate the Canajan Drivin' Champeen on principle.

[GregAU]

Mark Webber is the most under rated driver in F1.

*waits for the tears*

[Cypher]

I've gotta say Nick Heidfeld as even Frank Williams has sounded like he's surprised that Nick is going well.

[Zmeej]

GregAu

*waits for the tears*

[pRy]

Eddie Irvine

[Dominika]

Webber by far,
Da matta,
Pizzonia,
Fisi,

Underated,
- Hiedfeld,
Sato, (i am not sure on sato, he borderlines both really)
Klien

[Zmeej]

Dominika

Sato, (i am not sure about Sato, he borders on both really)

Well said, and welcome!

[boost]

..his highly rated team mate Ralf!

ahh good to laugh in the morning. Keep em coming

[santori]

JPM is pretty underrated at the moment.

[Vilenova]

Originally posted by santori
JPM is pretty underrated at the moment.

I was just about to post this.

[Nancsi706]

Originally posted by vivian


Your choice makes me speechless.

Ralf is under rated?

Fisi is definitely not under rated, he is under the covers... meaning people are not talking about him this season, let him beat FA in a couple of races...

DC is not under rated, people do agree that he is not a WDC contender but he is a very good driver.

Overrated... maybe Webber but pls not Alonso nor Kimi.

Yes. RS heavily underrated atm. Fisi too. shame that he had to wait 9 yrs for a top team. Even now he is a no2.

And now Kimi is far the most overrated hype in the F1 world. He didn't have to work with slow cars, easily come in the F1, then in the topteam McLaren without making any miracles. With the McLAren 2002, 2003, late-2004 and 2005 edition, 3 wins (1 of them is a fluke, Spa) aren't that special.

[Zmeej]

OK, one too many people has included Kimi in this category.

Seems to me that people hereabouts have forgotten about his passes in the rain in Brazil, and his heart-stopping decision to plow through Trulli's (was it Jarno's?) visibility-obliterating cloud of smoke at the top of Eau Rouge.

To put the tin lid on it, youse have also decided to discount the last two races, in which he gave us spectacular and dominating drives.

In the first instance (Imola), his car died, so I guess youse figure that doesn't count. In the second (Spain), I guess youse figure "it was the car" or "he was so far ahead" so that also doesn't count.

By this reckoning, Senna was overrated too...

[HP]

Originally posted by GregAU
*waits for the tears*

caused by laughing

[Zoe]

I don't know how he is rated in the first place, but I think Narain Kartikeyan is pretty much overlooked.

Zoe

[gerry nassar]

Originally posted by Nancsi706


Yes. RS heavily underrated atm. Fisi too. shame that he had to wait 9 yrs for a top team. Even now he is a no2.

And now Kimi is far the most overrated hype in the F1 world. He didn't have to work with slow cars, easily come in the F1, then in the topteam McLaren without making any miracles. With the McLAren 2002, 2003, late-2004 and 2005 edition, 3 wins (1 of them is a fluke, Spa) aren't that special.

This thread is about drivers who are "underrated" and not a place to flame about drivers who you believe to be overrated, especially when your choices leave alot to be desired.

[dde]

Michael Schumacher. At least on this BB.

[Vince Neil]

Nansci 706 wrote

"And now Kimi is far the most overrated hype in the F1 world. He didn't have to work with slow cars, easily come in the F1, then in the topteam McLaren without making any miracles. With the McLAren 2002, 2003, late-2004 and 2005 edition, 3 wins (1 of them is a fluke, Spa) aren't that special."

And when has JPM or MS worked with the slow cars then ? JPM has never driven a midfield car. Nor MS. They both got the top seats without driving ANY seasons with the midfield teams. (If we exclude MS' debut race). Every cars MS drove, have been race winnin capable ( Alesi won with much worse Ferrari than MS). And what Miracles has JPM showed then so far ?

And how come Spa was a fluke. Kimi started from 10th. Overtook 3 cars. ( including MS) And then he was leading the race 15 secs ahead of MS until safety car destroyed that lead and helped MS big time to catch Kimi.

[DSP]

Under rated:

1 - Nick Heidfeld
2 - Jarno Trulli
3 - Tiago Monteiro

Over rated:

1 - Mark Webber
2 - Mark Webber
3 - Jenson Button


P.S. - I forgot to mention Mark Webber....

[F1 Tor.]

The most under rated has to be Narain K at Jordan. Of course everyone's been picking big team drivers like Trulli but for me not too many have done more with less than NK.

[tkulla]

On these boards, Jenson Button is highly underrated. I understand why people wouldn't like him, as he has said some foolish things and is totallyl overexposed in the media, but his performance last year was superb. Yes, a win would have been nice, but he is quick and consistent now that he has gotten serious about his craft.

[Nancsi706]

Originally posted by gerry nassar


This thread is about drivers who are "underrated" and not a place to flame about drivers who you believe to be overrated, especially when your choices leave alot to be desired.

I expected a Kimi zealot attack on me.

The truth hurts...