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#1 ADW

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 01:13

Greetings!
New member from Australia.
Seeking your assistance to locate a full rundown/article/images on above race.
According to two result sheets I have, and two eye-witness accounts, a SAAB 9000 CS Turbo S (driven by Colin Bond/Glen Seton) came third outright (on 250 laps) behind an RX7 on 254 laps and a BMW M5 on 251 laps. One eyewitness, who was pit-crew to the SAAB, said that the SAAB was only 30 seconds astern of the M5. Not a bad result, and should have been an interesting race, and perhaps a close-ish dice for 2nd/3rd?
Why my interest? I have just purchased a '92 SAAB 9000 CS Turbo S, without knowing that a similar car had performed well at Bathurst!!!
My thanks in advance for any assistance you may be able to provide. :lol:

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#2 William Dale Jr

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 03:53

Hi ADW, welcome to the forum! :wave:

I always enjoyed the James Hardie 12 Hour, and each race was better than the one previous. In the 1992 edition, the brand-new Mazda RX-7's qualified on the front row by a substantial margin ahead of the Toyota Supra Turbo that had won the race the previous year and a Holden Commodore VN Group A driven by Wayne Park. I don't have any data on the Saab's qualifying position, but I'll check the tape next time I'm home (probably next weekend).

The Mazdas led away and dominated the early going whilst the Saab was an early visitor to the pits, coming in at the end of the first lap. Glenn Seton had started the race at the wheel of the car and reported that he could hear a sort of 'ticking' sound coming from the car all throughout that first lap. It was found that a brake line had been rubbing (IIRC), so the problem was quickly rectified and the car sent back out but at the tail of the field, a long way behind.

Later in the morning, the Mazdas both struck problems, the O'Brien/Waldon/Gibbs car dropping out of the top 20 before rejoining whilst the lead car of Bowe/Hansford had a brake caliper jam on before a turbo came off, relegating them to 52nd position. At this point, the Mazdas, the BMW 5-series of Longhurst/Jones/Crichton, the Smith/Bourke Supra and the Wayne Park Holden had taken turns in the lead, whilst the Saab was slowly making its way back up the field.

As the race wore on, the little Ford Laser TX3 4WD Turbo of the Youlden brothers and Dick Johnson started to come into contention. The Laser - second-placed in the 1991 event - was a chance at winning now that the Mazdas had run into trouble; the car would make fewer and quicker pitstops than any of its rivals and would lap at a decent pace. Sadly, it would break a CV joint at the start of the last hour whilst it was running in second place.

The Park Holden lost a wheel whilst leading, before one of Park's co-drivers bunkered the car in a sandtrap, putting the car out of contention. The BMW suffered an exhaust problem that made the car sound horrible but made little difference to its lap times. The Smith/Bourke Toyota then led the race before the #17 Mazda charged back through the field and swooped into a lead that it would maintain until the end of the race. The Supra later went out when it too lost a wheel.

After its first lap drama, the Saab was running reliably, consistantly and had made its way back up into the top five. I can't remember how the tail end of the race panned out (I'll have to go back and watch the tape), but I don't recall Bondy trying to catch the BMW to take 2nd, instead just taking a comfortable 3rd.

The real battle at the end of the race was in the smallest class in the field. The Brame/Draper/Lee Suzuki Swift and the Watkinson/Willmington/Lewis Toyota Corolla had been shadowing each other all day and on the last lap, it looked like the Corolla would just come out on top, before it ran out of fuel on Conrod straight, allowing the Swift to take it class victory.

Incidentally, IIRC, the Saab deal was put together by Sydney car dealer Ken Mathews, who asked old team-mate Bond to drive, and I think it was Bondy who recommended that Seton be asked to co-drive.

I hope this helps you a bit, it's about as good as I'll be able to do without having the video beside me.



Out of curiousity, do you happen to have full results? I only have what was published in that year's AMRY, and that only covered the top 20. Would you happen to have full race and qualifying results and the winning car's race time?

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 04:33

Thanks for the quick response!
I agree with your "comfortable third" comment - it sounds about right for what I have gleaned so far. I do like the concept of quiet,, fast and reliable, though...........
I do have a fuller set of results, but not here now.
I'll have the info tomorrow.
Cheers!

#4 275 GTB-4

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 11:07

Willcommen A-D-Dubya....glad you took my suggestion and signed up.....

just remember...this forum can be addictive :clap: Cheers, Mick

#5 Amaroo Park

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 10:31

I have nightmares about that event still...... I was working up there on a pit crew on the car that finished second in class to Longhurst/Chrichton/Jones BMW M5

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 10:54

You too huh. ;) Funny how a 12 hour race can go for 48 hours. :cool:
I don't remember anything about the actual race except for what our car did. I didn't know that Bondie finished 3rd till I read this thread!
I do remember that the M5 had a broken exhaust in the last bit of the race (unlike our car that broke the exhaust fairly early!)

#7 William Dale Jr

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 16:51

Originally posted by Amaroo Park
I have nightmares about that event still...... I was working up there on a pit crew on the car that finished second in class to Longhurst/Chrichton/Jones BMW M5


I just had a look at my results data for the race, which car were you working on? I only have the top 20 finishers and it doesn't list a second Class C finisher inside the top 20.

I only have good memories of that race, but then again, I was watching it in the comfort of my own home :)

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Posted 09 May 2006 - 06:02

The Bond/Seton Saab 9000 was 2nd in class T on 250 laps only beaten by the O'Brien /Waldon/Gibbs RX 7 on 254 laps. Longhurst /Jones BMW M5 was 251 laps in Class C.

The BMW and SAAB were not competing in the same class. Nonetheless the SAAB did not have to chase the bimmer; it lead it!!

My source ;

maelstromcreations.com/bathurst/bathursthistory/bathurstresults/JH1992.php

I have not posted it as a dynamic link as I am not sure of the protocol but I now you guys can find it.

Ahh the 12 hour great race for great cars. The whistling SAAB was quiet and does show how well an ordinary car will go when driven by cool headed men who do not cane the hell out of it. That begs the question "could it have given the RX7 a fright if it had not stopped on the first lap??"

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Posted 09 May 2006 - 09:57

Originally posted by William Dale Jr
I just had a look at my results data for the race, which car were you working on? I only have the top 20 finishers and it doesn't list a second Class C finisher inside the top 20.

Due to some very silly class rules the M5 was in the same class as the 6 cylinder Commodores and Falcons. (the main cars in the Production car championship) Amaroo Park and myself were working on the Bob Griffin, Trevor Hodge, Peter Taffa, Holden Commodore VN V6 which outlasted all the other Commodores and Falcons but had no chance at all against a BMW M5.
We spent the night before the race rebuilding the car (without the owner of the car knowing about it) so that it was in raceworthy condition. This turned out to be a mistake! :p

#10 Amaroo Park

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 10:36

It was the second last classified finisher.

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 14:12

Slightly awkward layout but these guys were the finishers. William, drop me an e-mail if you need something more comprehensive than this.

Classes were based purely on engine capacity except for turbos which got their own class.

No. Drivers Car Out. Pos. Class Pos. Class
17 MARK GIBBS MAZDA RX7 1 1 T
17 CHARLIE O'BRIEN MAZDA RX7 1 1 T
17 GARRY WALDON MAZDA RX7 1 1 T
20 NEVILLE CRICHTON BMW M5 2 1 C
20 ALAN JONES BMW M5 2 1 C
20 TONY LONGHURST BMW M5 2 1 C
8 COLIN BOND SAAB 9000 CS TURBO 3 2 T
8 GLENN SETON SAAB 9000 CS TURBO 3 2 T
40 GLENN CULLEN HOLDEN COMMODORE VN SS 4 1 D
40 WARREN CULLEN HOLDEN COMMODORE VN SS 4 1 D
40 KIM JANE HOLDEN COMMODORE VN SS 4 1 D
7 JOHN BOWE MAZDA RX7 5 3 T
7 GREGG HANSFORD MAZDA RX7 5 3 T
3 BILL GILLESPIE HOLDEN COMMODORE VN SS GROUP A 6 2 D
3 GRAHAM NEILSON HOLDEN COMMODORE VN SS GROUP A 6 2 D
3 WAYNE PARK HOLDEN COMMODORE VN SS GROUP A 6 2 D
28 RICK BATES TOYOTA MR2 7 1 S
28 KEITH CARLING TOYOTA MR2 7 1 S
28 GEOFF MORGAN TOYOTA MR2 7 1 S
16 PETER DANE CITROEN BX16 8 1 B
16 PETER JANSON CITROEN BX16 8 1 B
16 PETER McLEOD CITROEN BX16 8 1 B
77 JIM BAIRD FORD FALCON EB XR8 9 3 D
77 KEITH McCLELLAND FORD FALCON EB XR8 9 3 D
77 ANDREW SOLNESS FORD FALCON EB XR8 9 3 D
31 COS MONTEROSSO HOLDEN COMMODORE VN SS GROUP A 10 4 D
31 MICK MONTEROSSO HOLDEN COMMODORE VN SS GROUP A 10 4 D
31 MARK POOLE HOLDEN COMMODORE VN SS GROUP A 10 4 D
56 MARK BRAME SUZUKI SWIFT GTi 11 1 A
56 HENRY DRAPER SUZUKI SWIFT GTi 11 1 A
56 CLYDE LEE SUZUKI SWIFT GTi 11 1 A
49 TERRY LEWIS TOYOTA COROLLA SX 12 2 A
49 TOM WATKINSON TOYOTA COROLLA SX 12 2 A
49 GARRY WILLMINGTON TOYOTA COROLLA SX 12 2 A
1 PETER FITZGERALD HOLDEN COMMODORE VN SS GROUP A 13 5 D
1 BRETT PETERS HOLDEN COMMODORE VN SS GROUP A 13 5 D
1 JIM ZEREFOS HOLDEN COMMODORE VN SS GROUP A 13 5 D
45 PETER BROCK PEUGEOT 405 Mi16 14 2 B
45 NEIL CROMPTON PEUGEOT 405 Mi16 14 2 B
45 PAUL GOVER PEUGEOT 405 Mi16 14 2 B
43 JEFF HUTCHINSON NISSAN PULSAR SSS 15 3 B
43 MARK LARKHAM NISSAN PULSAR SSS 15 3 B
43 WARWICK ROOKLYN NISSAN PULSAR SSS 15 3 B
18 MURRAY CARTER NISSAN PULSAR SSS 16 4 B
18 ED LAMONT NISSAN PULSAR SSS 16 4 B
22 MICHELLE CALLAGHAN NISSAN PULSAR SSS 17 5 B
22 MELINDA PRICE NISSAN PULSAR SSS 17 5 B
22 TRACEY TAYLOR NISSAN PULSAR SSS 17 5 B
55 GEOFF CRABTREE SUZUKI SWIFT GTi 18 3 A
55 CHRIS WALKER SUZUKI SWIFT GTi 18 3 A
55 ANDREW WILSON SUZUKI SWIFT GTi 18 3 A
52 PHIL ALEXANDER TOYOTA COROLLA SX 19 4 A
52 KEITH McCULLOCH TOYOTA COROLLA SX 19 4 A
52 WARREN RUSH TOYOTA COROLLA SX 19 4 A
51 PETER GODDEN TOYOTA COROLLA SX 20 5 A
51 RON MASING TOYOTA COROLLA SX 20 5 A
51 SAM SILVESTRO TOYOTA COROLLA SX 20 5 A
48 HARRY BARGWANNA TOYOTA COROLLA SX 21 6 A
48 BRIAN Jnr CALLAGHAN TOYOTA COROLLA SX 21 6 A
48 CHRIS SYMONDS TOYOTA COROLLA SX 21 6 A
57 BRUGESTRASS SUZUKI SWIFT GTi 22 7 A
57 ALAN CURRY SUZUKI SWIFT GTi 22 7 A
57 CRAIG DARE SUZUKI SWIFT GTi 22 7 A
53 RAY GULSON SUZUKI SWIFT GTi 23 8 A
53 BILL HARRIS SUZUKI SWIFT GTi 23 8 A
53 GLENN JORDEN SUZUKI SWIFT GTi 23 8 A
47 JOHN HOLMES TOYOTA COROLLA SX 24 9 A
47 DAVID SALA TOYOTA COROLLA SX 24 9 A
47 STEVE SWAINE TOYOTA COROLLA SX 24 9 A
58 MIKE REEDY SUZUKI SWIFT GTi 25 10 A
58 IAN SAWTELL SUZUKI SWIFT GTi 25 10 A
58 MARK WILLIAMSON SUZUKI SWIFT GTi 25 10 A
9 ALLAN GRICE HOLDEN COMMODORE VG SS UTE 26 6 D
9 BRAD JONES HOLDEN COMMODORE VG SS UTE 26 6 D
9 JOHN SPENCER HOLDEN COMMODORE VG SS UTE 26 6 D
96 GEOFF LEEDS HOLDEN COMMODORE VN SS GROUP A 27 7 D
96 JOHN McENTEE HOLDEN COMMODORE VN SS GROUP A 27 7 D
96 TIM SLAKO HOLDEN COMMODORE VN SS GROUP A 27 7 D
21 ALF BARBAGALLO SUBARU LIBERTY RS 28 4 T
21 POSSUM BOURNE SUBARU LIBERTY RS 28 4 T
21 GARRY ROGERS SUBARU LIBERTY RS 28 4 T
5 BOB JENNINGS PEUGEOT 405 Mi16 29 6 B
5 IAN LUFF PEUGEOT 405 Mi16 29 6 B
5 PETER McKAY PEUGEOT 405 Mi16 29 6 B
23 HARRY DUTTON NISSAN NX COUPE 30 2 S
23 JIM RUNCIMAN NISSAN NX COUPE 30 2 S
23 RAY RYAN NISSAN NX COUPE 30 2 S
39 BOB GRIFFIN HOLDEN COMMODORE VN S 31 2 C
39 TREVOR HODGE HOLDEN COMMODORE VN S 31 2 C
39 PETER TAFFA HOLDEN COMMODORE VN S 31 2 C
34 DARREL DIXON FORD FALCON EA 32 3 C
34 GRAHAM LUSTY FORD FALCON EA 32 3 C
34 MARK LYONS FORD FALCON EA 32 3 C
59 MARK ARNOLD MITSUBISHI LANCER GSR 33 11 A
59 KEVIN BURTON MITSUBISHI LANCER GSR 33 11 A
59 ALAN LEWIS MITSUBISHI LANCER GSR 33 11 A
15 NEAL BATES TOYOTA SUPRA TURBO 34 5 T
15 GEOFF FORSHAW TOYOTA SUPRA TURBO 34 5 T
15 GEOFF FULL TOYOTA SUPRA TURBO 34 5 T
46 CHRIS CLEARIHAN SAAB 900i 35 7 B
46 MIKE IMRIE SAAB 900i 35 7 B
46 GRANT MUNDAY SAAB 900i 35 7 B
32 STEVE HITZMAN HOLDEN COMMODORE VN S 36 4 C
32 PHIL JOHNSON HOLDEN COMMODORE VN S 36 4 C
32 ALLAN LETCHER HOLDEN COMMODORE VN S 36 4 C
12 GEORGE FURY MITSUBISHI GALANT VR4 37 6 T
12 ROD JONES MITSUBISHI GALANT VR4 37 6 T
12 ED ORDYNSKI MITSUBISHI GALANT VR4 37 6 T
27 PAUL FLOTTMAN FORD FALCON EA 38 5 C
27 PETER VORST FORD FALCON EA 38 5 C
27 RICHARD VORST FORD FALCON EA 38 5 C
36 WAYNE BELL HOLDEN COMMODORE VN S 39 6 C
36 GORDON LEVEN HOLDEN COMMODORE VN S 39 6 C
36 GARY McDONALD HOLDEN COMMODORE VN S 39 6 C

#12 Amaroo Park

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Posted 12 May 2006 - 12:55

Car 39 where are you??????????? I should say where's the keys. One of our team had great problems with keys for houses and race cars, he kept loosing them.

If you ever wanted to see the impossible done with a race team then that was it

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Posted 13 May 2006 - 07:43

Originally posted by Amaroo Park
Car 39 where are you??????????? I should say where's the keys. One of our team had great problems with keys for houses and race cars, he kept losing them.

If you ever wanted to see the impossible done with a race team then that was it

You will believe a strut can fly.;)

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Posted 13 May 2006 - 08:37

Colin Osbourne would still have fond memories of that car. Ahh I remeber it like yesterday Colin coming steaming up pit lane to find out "who the @#$% was driving that car"

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 02:03

Hi guys. Another new Australian member here.

Like to originator of this thread, I have some interest in this race. I own a 1990 BMW M5 and am told that my car may have been the actual car raced by Jones/Longhurst in this race.

I have no idea how to confirm or disprove this claim. However, I guess a start would be the colour. My car is silver and has a light silvergrey leather interior (although I imagine this was at least in part removed for the race).

Can anyone point me in the direction of a video or other information that may assist me in this regard?

A VIN would be just the ultimate (last 7 digits).

Incidentally, I am also told the car was the safety/pace car at the 1991 Australian Grand Prix (more likely than the Bathurst claim I think) and that it was the car driven to 2nd place at the inaugural Targa Tasmania in 1992, by Dennie Hulme and Angus McKenzie.

If anyone can confirm or disprove these claims, it would be welcome as well.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Cheers
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Posted 02 August 2006 - 08:39

From what I can recall, both the Bathurst car and the F1 safety car were white. It's more than a little bit possible that both cars were one and the same. The race M5 had been built up from a factory owned car IIRC and a car that had been kitted out for sponsorship pace car duties at the Grand Prix the year before would be a prime candidate for such a 'contribution'. Might it have been the FIV car from 1991 GP though? I recall Frank Gardner's GP mount that year being a white M5.

I do recall the race car being white, it had red angled strips running horizontally in a centre section of the side panels and sponsorship from I think Nobbys Nuts. Definately white. But with two sets of decals having been applied to the car, its possible that it would have needed a respray after their removal to be sold to the public.

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Posted 15 June 2007 - 02:11

IS ANYONE STILL WATCHING THIS THREAD??
i DROVE THE CAR YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
i MUST SAY IN '92 WE HAD A REALLY GOOD BUNCH OF GUYS WHO WORKED THEIR BUTTS OFF WITH VERY LIMITED RESOURCES!!!
AND YES WE FINISHED AGAINST SOME HIGH BUDGET TEAMS SO I GUESS THAT IS ALWAYS A BIG PLUS.
PLUS THE ENGINE I BUILT WENT THE DISTANCE WHILE OTHERS FAILED.

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#18 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 June 2007 - 02:20

I'd say very few have looked at it in about nine months...

But you're welcome to have your say. Of course.

#19 PJT318

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Posted 15 June 2007 - 03:28

RAY HOW MANY DIFFERNT FORUMS DO YOU POST ON?

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#20 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 June 2007 - 03:58

A few... I guess...

Not ten-tenths or Aussiefrogs though. Inliners, Moparchat, Moparmarket regularly, others less often. My old mate, Quinton Weaver sent me an invite to follow his progress building his new house out in the wilds of West Virginia, that's another one. Quite different to the days when he was building his new Clubman at Orchard Hills.

Is that '318' in your name meaningful?

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Posted 15 June 2007 - 04:01

i think you asked me this on my ateco email address.
the 318 has no other meaning other than a birth date, definitely not vehicle related.
How is your nephews Dodge coming along?

peter

#22 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 June 2007 - 04:14

Very slowly, Peter...

I post occasional updates on things in the Technical forum here, but at the moment he's basically slogging away with bodywork. Check the thread out, though (225? Why when there's a 318 to be had), there's a very nice crankshaft he's got pictured there, it's worth looking at the thread to see that crank!

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Posted 15 June 2007 - 08:11

I remember the impressive speed of the Suzuki Swift GTi driven by Mark Brame

I wonder what happened to him, he looks like he had the goods to go very far?

I remember him winning an enduro at Winton or Wanneroo in the Swift too

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 07:58

not sure what has happened to him.
I was at that meeting in Winton 6 hr approx 93?
great effort that.