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[jrally]

Hello !

I would like to know if someone could help me to find any of these old results (top ten, but if more, better) of the ERC ?

1953 - Sestriere,Travemunde,Midnight Sun,Liège-Roma-Liège and Lisbon
1954 - Sestriere,Wiesbaden,Midnight Sun,Coupe des Alpes and Genève
1955 - Adriatic (was it a ERC event ?)
1959 - Midnight Sun
1961 - Germany
1963 - Sardinia and Germany
1964 - Austria Alpenfahrt
1965 - Munchen-Vien-Budapest
1966 - Germany
1967 - East Germany and Munchen-Vien-Budapest
1968 - East Germany

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jrally

[eukie]

1953 III. Int. Rallye Travemünde
Source: ADAC Motorwelt 1953 p. 407

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[eukie]

1954 XVI. Rallye Wiesbaden

European Cup Result:
1. Menz / Schlüter (DKW) 12,14 P.
2. Kraus / Dr. Schwind (BMW) 12,85 P.
3. Wencher / Behringer (BMW) 16,41 P.
4. Meier / Schellhaas (DKW) 26,42 P.
5. Brand / Luba (DKW) 127,54 P.
6. Vogel / von Schroeter (DKW) 134,56 P.

Class Results:
750 cc: 1. Krauthahn / Gomoll (Goliath)
1000 cc: 1. Menz / Schlüter 2. Meier / Schellhaas
1300 cc: 1. Zeller / Willberger (Fiat) 2. Von Regius / Springer (Ford)
2000 cc: 1. Kraus / Dr. Schwind 2. Wencher / Behringer
>2000 cc: 1. Gerdum / Dr. Kühling (Mercedes) 2. Estler / Deissmann (Borgward)
Ladies Cup: Ruth Lautmann / Renate Gallo (Ford)

Start: 49 Teams / Finish: 31 Teams

Source: ADAC Motorwelt 1954 p.422 + Jahrbuch Internationaler Motorsport 1954

[VDP]

interesting to note that Gendebien and Fraikin are still with Belgian Congo identity

P Rousselle and Freddy Rousselle same ?

Robert

[VDP]

LIEGE ROME LIEGE
1 J Claes J Trasenster Lancia Aurelia
2 O gendebien C. Fraikin Jaguar XK 120
3 J Herzet L Bianchi Ferrari 166 MM ?
4 Christillin Fiorio Lancia Aurelia
5 Gratta Marsiglia Lancia Aurelia
6 Caramelli Turbiglio Lancia Aurelia
7 Barozzi Colombo Lancia Aurelia
8 Slater Bolton Jaguar XK 120
9 Bigoni Curie Citroên 15 CV
10 Fabre Caron Dyna Panhard

[jrally]

Thank You very much, eukie and VDP.
It has been very helpfull !

Regards
jrally

[GIGLEUX]

1954 Vth Rallye de Sestrières

[GIGLEUX]

1954 Vth Midnight Sun Rallye

1.Hammarlund Porsche
2.Kjellstroem Porsche
3.Andersson Alfa Romeo
4.?
5.Borgefors Porsche
6.Bengston Ford Anglia
7.Wernersson Fiat
8.Meler DKW
9.Nilsson Fiat
10.Gustafsson Fiat

1. Porsche
2.Alfa Romeo
3.Ford Anglia
all three without penalty.

Ladies cup
1.Molander Greta DKW 5 pts
2.Melin Margareta Simca 12 pts
3.Koskull Cecilia VW 15 pts

[GIGLEUX]

1954 XVIIth Critérium International des Alpes

Up to 750 cc
1.Redele-Pons Renault 0 pt
2.Lesur-Foulgoc Renault 0 pt
3.Savoye-Mme Savoye Renault 3201 pts

750 to 1100 cc
1.Meier-Luba DKW 0 pt
2.Schluter-Scheilhaas DKW 270 pts
3.Chieusse-Moneger Panhard Dyna 658 pts

1100 to 1300 cc
1.Denzel-Stroinig Denzel 0 pt
2.Guiraud-Beau Peugeot 203 0 pt
3.Barbier-Rastit Peugeot 203 0 pt
4.Sauerwein-de Metternich Porshe 10 pts
5.Zeller-Willberger Fiat 199 pts
6.Cunane-De Vadder MG 228 pts
7.Lusty-Llewellyn MG 368 pts
8.Mme Terray-Mme Gordine Peugeot 203 718 pts
9.Cattieuw-Bonavero Peugeot 203 1855 pts
10.Ripoteau-Courtet Peugeot 203 8728 pts

1300 to 1600 cc
1.Barre-Mme Galland Porsche 125 pts
2.Atkins-Rexroth Porsche 560 pts

1600 to 2000 cc
1.O'Hara Moore-Got Frazer-Nash 0 pt
2.Gatsonides-Slotemaker Triumph TR2 0 pt
3.Kat-Tag Triumph TR2 70 pts
4.Richarson-Heathcote Triumph TR2 220 pts
5.Slater-Hinton AC 290 pts
6.Houel-Coategal Alfa Romeo 668 pts
7.Howard-Mlle Jumbo Morgan 1137 pts

2000 to 2600 cc
1.Burton-Burke Aston Martin DB2 0 pt
2.Rauch-Bousson Salmson 0 pt
3.S.Moss-Cutts Sunbeam-Talbot 0 pt
4.Murray Frame-Pearman Sunbeam-Talbot 1 pt
5.Miss Van Damm-Miss Hall Sunbeam-Talbot 413 pts
6.Orr-Lewis Sunbeam-Talbot 739 pts
7.Hartwell-Dean Sunbeam-Talbot 1048 pts
8.Lemerle-Cotton Salmson 4621 pts

+2600cc
1.Haddon-Vivian Jaguar XK120 220 pts
2.Scott-Cunningham Jaguar 290 pts
3.Flower-McMillen Austin-Healey 469 pts
4.Stross-Mason Austin-Healey 505 pts.

Ladies Cup
1.Miss Van Damm-Miss Hall
2.Mme Terray-Mme Gordine

Gold Cup (3 consecutive years without penalty): Stirling Moss.

Alpes's Cup: all ones with 0 pt penalty.

General classification:

1.Denzel-Stroinig
2.Redele-Pons
3.Lesur-Foulgoc
4.O'Hara Moore-Gott
5.Guiraud-Beau
6.Gatsonides-Slotemaker

Team Prize: Triumph (Gatsonides-Richardson-Kat)

French team prize: Peugeot (Guiraud-Barbier-Mme-Terray)

[GIGLEUX]

1953 Lisbon Rally

1.Nogueira Porsche 21528 pts
2.Appleyard Jaguar 22021 pts
3.Polensky porsche 22872 pts
4.Imhof Sunbeam-Talbot 23978 pts
5.Reece Ford Zephyr 24305 pts
6.Mrs Mitchell Ford Zephyr 24531 pts

+3000: Appleyard
3000: Imhof
2000: Nogueira
1300: Stock Porsche
750: de Burnay DB-Panhard

Ladies'cup:
1.Mrs Mitchell Ford Zephyr
2.Miss Van Damm Sunbeam-Talbot 24867 pts
3.Miss Molander Saab;

1953 Rally of the Midnight Sun

1.Nottorp-Jonsson Porsche 12 pts
2.Kvarnstrom-Lundberg Ford 14 pts
3.Sjoqvist-Berggren Citroën 14 pts
4.Wessblad-Hellberg 16 pts
5.Persson-Norrby Porsche 16 pts
6.Stalheim-Frank Citroën 17 pts

1953 Sestrière Rally

1.Seibert-Bolz Citroën 589 pts
2.Scala-Mazzoni Lancia 586 pts
3.Damonte-Marsaglia Lancia 580,5 pts
4.Valenzano-Sponsetti Lancia 580 pts
5.Maranzana-Carlotti Panhard 552 pts
6.Christillin-Fiorio Lancia 547 pts

Class winners:
750: Maranzana
1500: Scala
2000: Damonte
Unlimited: Seibert
Standard sports cars unlimited: Valenzano

[Darren Galpin]

http://www.teamdan.c...2/rallying.html

1968 East German Rally

1	 Pauli Toivonen				Porsche 911





German Rally

? August 1966

 1	 Gunther Klass/R.Wütherich		Porsche 911		2260.3 pta

 2	 A.Cavallari/D.Salvay			Alfa Romeo GTA		2525.9

 3	 J.Spinger/D.Schey			BMW 2000 TI		2700.6

 4	 Sobieslaw Zasada/K.Osinski		Steyr-Puch 650 TR	?

 5	 K.Panowitz/R.Strunz			NSU Wankel Spider	3028.4

DSQ	Raschig					Saab 96S		Arrested by Police (was 6th)

 R	 Paddy Hopkirk				Mini Cooper		oil leak/engine bearings

 R	 Tony Fall				Mini Cooper		oil leak/burnt piston

 R	 Vic Elford/John Davenport		Ford Lotus Cortina	engine bearings







Munich-Vienna-Budapest Rally

? October 1965

 4	 Sobieslaw Zasada				Steyr Puch

	   Rauno Aaltonen/Tony Ambrose		Mini Cooper

	   Tony Fall/Ron Crellin			Mini Cooper

	   Paul Easter/Henry Liddon			Mini Cooper

	   Geoff Halliwell/Mike Wood		Mini Cooper

						Steyr Puch

 R	 Rene Trautmann				Lancia Flavia		engine







German Rally

? 1961

 1	 Walter/Wencher						   Porsche Carrera 356

 2	 Eugen Bohringer						  Mercedes

 3	 G.Andersson/Karlsson					 Volvo PV540

[jrally]

Fantastic, Mr. Jigleux and Mr. Galpin !
Thanks a lot !

Best Regards from Portugal
Jrally

[pingst]

Midnight sun rally 9 -13 june 1959

1.Erik Carlsson/M Pavoni SAAB 93 B
2. Carl Magnus Skogh/ Rolf Skogh SAAB 93B
3. John Kvarnström/Andersson 250 GT Ferrari

[eukie]

Some additions to Jean-Maurice's and my own lists:

1954 Rallye Wiesbaden
1954 May 12.-16.
1. Menz / Schlüter (DKW) 12,14 P.
2. Kraus / Dr. Schwind (BMW) 12,85 P.
3. Wencher / Behringer (BMW) 16,41 P.
4. Meier / Schellhaas (DKW) 26,42 P.
5. Brand / Luba (DKW) 127,54 P.
6. Vogel / von Schroeter (DKW) 134,56 P.
7. Zeller / Willberger (Fiat)
8. Glöckler / Wagner (BMW)
9. Von Regius / Springer (Ford)
10. Fischer / Bauer (Fiat)

ERC – V. Swedish Midnightsun Rallye 1954
1954 June 16.-20.
1. Carl Gunnar Hammarlund / Erik Pettersson (Porsche)
2. G. Kjellstroem / S. Höök (Porsche)
3. I. Andersson / B. Hansson (Alfa Romeo)
4. J. Bonnier / B. Boeson (Alfa Romeo)
5. A. Borgefors / A. Gustavsson (Porsche)
6. Bengston / Kruse (Ford Anglia)
7. Wernersson (Fiat)
8. Heinz Meier / Friman (DKW)
9. Nilsson (Fiat)
10. Gustafsson (Fiat)

Class Winners:
GT/Sports 1300 cc: Hammarlund / Pettersson
GT/Sports unlimited: Dahlström / Dahlström (Jaguar XK120)
Touring unlimited: Kvarnström / Bergqvist (Ford Custom)
Touring 2000 cc: Andersson / Hansson
Touring 1300 cc: Bengtsson / Kruse
Touring 1000 cc: Meier / Friman
Ladies: Greta Molander / Helga Lundberg (DKW)

Viking Rallye
1954 Sep 10-13
1. Carsten Johansson / C. Jenson (N) Ford Zephyr
2. Hans Ingier (N) Ford Anglia
3. Leiv Samsing (N) Fiat
Start/Finish: 89/62
Autosport Sep17
Different Results given in Autosport Dec31: 2. Strand / Stavseth (Ford) 3. Backlund / Broberg (Renault)
Class Results: 500cc: Lorentsen / Falsen (Citroen) 750cc: Poulsen / Indseth (Renault) 1000cc: Schlüter / Nyborg (DKW) 1300cc: Ingier / Scholberg (Ford) 1600: Backlund / Broberg (Volvo ?) 2000cc: Soberg / Telle (Fiat) >2000cc: Johansson / Jenson (Ford)

Rallye de Geneve 1954
1954 Nov. 3.-6.
1. J.-C. Galtier / Paul Condrillier (Renault) 1,8 penalty points
2. Walter Schlüter / Eikelmann (DKW) 11,32
3. Guiraud / Beau (Peugeot) 12,6
4. Deroux / Gouteyron (Alfa Romeo) 13,96
5. Martin / Quinlin (Salmson) 16
6. Bornand / Flury (Alfa Romeo)
7. Heinz Meier / Luba (DKW) 17,10
8. Gustav Menz / Prinz von Preußen (DKW) 22,20

Class Results:
Touring 1000cc: 1. Schlüter 2. Meier 3. Menz
Touring 1300cc: 1. Rochat / Kessler (Simca)
Touring 1600cc: 1. Theden / Rathjen (Borgward)
Touring 2000cc: 1. Deroux 2. Bornand 3. Gaillard / Gaillard (Alfa Romeo)
Touring >2000cc: 1. Meroz / Husperger (Mercedes) 2. Sheila van Damm / Anne Hall (Sunbeam) 3. Mori / Davet (Ford)
Special Touring 1000cc: 1. Galtier 2. Lesur / Roque (Renault) 3. Malroux / Ferret (Renault)
Special Touring 1300cc: 1. Guiraud
GT 1300cc: 1. Chanal / Borne (Porsche) 2. Poncet / Lier (Fiat)
GT 1600cc: 1. Brun / Wuthrich (Porsche) 2. Boiteux / Aubin (Porsche) 3. Lissmann / Ritzinger (Porsche)
GT 2000cc: 1. Canonica / Brandt (Alfa Romeo)
GT >2000cc: 1. Martin
Sports 1000cc: 1. Faidherbe / Guilhaudin (Panhard)
Sports 1300cc: 1. Briffaud / Cottin (MG)
Sports 2000cc: 1. Margairaz / Markowski (Triumph)
Sports >2000cc: 1. De Mencik / Swaters (Ferrari)
Ladies: Van Damm / Hall
Other Starters: Maurice Gatsonides (Ford), Claude Storez (Porsche), Terray (Peugeot)
Source: Autosport 1954 Nov12 & Dec31

[jrally]

Dear eukie and Gigleux !

Once more thank You very much for your precious help.
I have a doubt concerning the Midnight Sun Rally 1954.

I have the book concerning the Swedish Rally (don't bring a general classification) but the classes. And the doubt his concerning Arne Wernersson, the 7th classified. They enter in the Klass III (1001-1300 cc). The winner of this class (acording to the book) has been John Bengtsson who finnished 6th overall and the second has been Gunnar Nilsson (9th overall). Arne Wernersson was 9th in his class so (yet, according to the book) he couldn't have been 7th overall.

Could You give me some enlightment regarding this subject ?

Thank You very much once more
Best Regards from Portugal
jrally (Jorge T.)

P.S. - Thank You, pingst ,for your help too !

[pingst]

I have search facts about 1954 Midnight sun rally. You have got the right facts. Wenersson was on the 7th place total and second in his class. I have controlled with some others sources and the swedish bok has not the right fact.

I also want to give You a complete list of 1959 midnight sun rally

4 Rune larsson/Bror Hultgren VW
5. Gunnar Callbo/Sigurd Höglund Volvo PV 544
6. Gunnar Andersson/Valter Carlsson Volvo Pv 544
7. Carl Carlsson/Sigvard Pettersson Alfa Romeo Giulietta
8. Harry Bengtsson/Åke Righard VW
9. Ivar Andersson/Lennart Simonsson Mercedes Bendz 220 SE
10. Gunnar Bengtsson/Carl Lohmander Mercedes Bendz 220 SE

[jrally]

Thank You very much for the clarify of this subject and from the 1959 results, pingst !
Precious !

Best Regards
jrally

[Hugo Boecker]

Midnight Sun Rallye 1953

1. Nottorp/Jonsson (Porsche)
2. Kwarnstroem/Lundberg (Ford)
3. Sjoekvist/Berggren (Citroen)
4. Wessblad/Hellberg (Porsche)
5. Perrson/Norrby (Porsche)
6. Stalheim/Frank (Porsche)

[jrally]

Thank You very much, Hugo !

About Adriatic rally 55 does anyone knows if it made part of the European Championship and what was the result ?

Thanks in advance
Best regards from Portugal
jrally

[jrally]

One more question !
I've noticed that misses me the 9th classified in Midnight Sun Rallye in 1960. Could anyone tells me who was he ?

Thank You very much
jrally

[Hugo Boecker]

Originally posted by jrally
Thank You very much, Hugo !

About Adriatic rally 55 does anyone knows if it made part of the European Championship and what was the result ?

Thanks in advance
Best regards from Portugal
jrally

In 1955 the Adriatic Rally doesn't count towards the championship.
Rally Monte Carlo
Rally Ssestrieres
RAC Rally
Tulip Rally
ADAC Rally Nürburgring
Rally Midnight Sun
Liege-Rome-Liege
Viking Rally
were the Championship Rallyies

[jrally]

Thank You very much, Hugo !

[jrally]

Another doubt that persists is Sardinia 63 ! In 1963 there was not the ERC but a Cup with several rallyes.

Did the Sardinia Rallye made part of that Cup ?

Thanks
jrally

[jrally]

Originally posted by jrally
Another doubt that persists is Sardinia 63 ! In 1963 there was not the ERC but a Cup with several rallyes.

Did the Sardinia Rallye made part of that Cup ?

Thanks
jrally

Any enlightnment here, please ?

Thanks
jrally

[jrally]

Could anyone help me to find these results :

1953 - Sestriere (7th to 10th),Midnight Sun (7th to 10th) and Lisbon (7th to 10th)
1954 - Coupe des Alpes (7th to 10th) and Genève (9th and 10th)
1960 - Midnight Sun (9th)
1961 - Germany (6th to 10th)
1963 - Sardinia (4th to 10th) and Germany (4th to 10th)
1964 - Austria Alpenfahrt (8th to 10th)
1965 - Munchen-Vien-Budapest (7th to 10th)
1966 - Austria Alpenfahrt (10th) and Germany (5th to 10th)
1967 - East Germany (7th to 10th)
1968 - East Germany (7th to 10th)

Thanks in advance
Regards
jrally

[tombe]

1963 Germany (Wiesbaden)

4. Dieter Gerhards, D, Mercedes
5. Nicolas Koob, LUX, DKW
6. Georg Kaufmann, A, DKW
7. Wolfgang Köppel, D, BMW
8. Helmut Kelleners, D, Fiat
9. Reiner Brechler, D, Volvo
10. Sylvia Österberg, S, Volvo


1964 Austria (Alpenfahrt)

8. Kaufmann / Kling, A/D, DKW
9. Benedikt / Herle, A, Volvo
10. König / Mauerhofer, A, Steyr-Puch


1965 Munchen-Wien-Budapest

7. Giorgio Pianta, I, Lancia
8. Karl Otto, DDR, Wartburg
9. N.Schorn, A, Steyr-Puch
10. H.Füss, D, Porsche


1966 Austria (Alpenfahrt)

10. Schindler, A, Sunbeam


1966 Germany

5. K.H.Panowitz, D, NSU Wankel Spider
6. Th.Klinck, D, Glas 1300 GT
7. H.Leidl, D, Steyr-Puch
8. P.Röder, ?, NSU Wankel Spider
9. H.Supper, D, Glas 1304 TS
10. R.Lieb, ?, Porsche 911


1967 East Germany (Pneumantrally)

7. Hans Beck, D, Opel Kadett
8. Dieter Lambart, D, Opel Kadett
9. Jan Lander Andersen, DK, Fiat 1500
10. Henryk Rucinski, PL, VW 1900

[eukie]

Originally posted by jrally
Could anyone help me to find these results :
1953 - Sestriere (7th to 10th)

Jorge, sorry I do not have the results you are looking for, but maybe some more starters and finishers will be of some value, too.
1953 Rallye Sestriere
Source: German contemporary magazines Motorrundschau and Motorwelt
13. Helmut Polensky / Gilberte Thirion (D/B, Porsche) [Motorrundschau; but ADAC Motorwelt has Martignoni as Polensky's Co.]
14. Heinrich von der Mühle / Hans-Hugo Hartmann (D, Borgward 2400)
20. Giovanni Bracco / Fritz Huschke von Hanstein (I/D, Porsche)
other entries:
Umberto Maglioli (I, Lancia)
Gerakis (F, Panhard)
Grosgogeat (F, ?)
Maurice Gatsonides / Kocks (NL, Porsche)
Alex von Falkenhausen / Hewitt (D/GB, Frazer Nash) - retired
Kurt Zeller / Hoffmann (D, Porsche) - retired
Hein Krings / ? (D, Gutbrod)

[jrally]

Originally posted by tombe
1963 Germany (Wiesbaden)

4. Dieter Gerhards, D, Mercedes
5. Nicolas Koob, LUX, DKW
6. Georg Kaufmann, A, DKW
7. Wolfgang Köppel, D, BMW
8. Helmut Kelleners, D, Fiat
9. Reiner Brechler, D, Volvo
10. Sylvia Österberg, S, Volvo


1964 Austria (Alpenfahrt)

8. Kaufmann / Kling, A/D, DKW
9. Benedikt / Herle, A, Volvo
10. König / Mauerhofer, A, Steyr-Puch


1965 Munchen-Wien-Budapest

7. Giorgio Pianta, I, Lancia
8. Karl Otto, DDR, Wartburg
9. N.Schorn, A, Steyr-Puch
10. H.Füss, D, Porsche


1966 Austria (Alpenfahrt)

10. Schindler, A, Sunbeam


1966 Germany

5. K.H.Panowitz, D, NSU Wankel Spider
6. Th.Klinck, D, Glas 1300 GT
7. H.Leidl, D, Steyr-Puch
8. P.Röder, ?, NSU Wankel Spider
9. H.Supper, D, Glas 1304 TS
10. R.Lieb, ?, Porsche 911


1967 East Germany (Pneumantrally)

7. Hans Beck, D, Opel Kadett
8. Dieter Lambart, D, Opel Kadett
9. Jan Lander Andersen, DK, Fiat 1500
10. Henryk Rucinski, PL, VW 1900

Thank You very much, tombe ! Fantastic !
But ... don't You know any co-drivers names from those rallyes ?

Best Regards
Jorge

[jrally]

Originally posted by eukie

Jorge, sorry I do not have the results you are looking for, but maybe some more starters and finishers will be of some value, too.
1953 Rallye Sestriere
Source: German contemporary magazines Motorrundschau and Motorwelt
13. Helmut Polensky / Gilberte Thirion (D/B, Porsche) [Motorrundschau; but ADAC Motorwelt has Martignoni as Polensky's Co.]
14. Heinrich von der Mühle / Hans-Hugo Hartmann (D, Borgward 2400)
20. Giovanni Bracco / Fritz Huschke von Hanstein (I/D, Porsche)
other entries:
Umberto Maglioli (I, Lancia)
Gerakis (F, Panhard)
Grosgogeat (F, ?)
Maurice Gatsonides / Kocks (NL, Porsche)
Alex von Falkenhausen / Hewitt (D/GB, Frazer Nash) - retired
Kurt Zeller / Hoffmann (D, Porsche) - retired
Hein Krings / ? (D, Gutbrod)

Thank You very much, eukie !
Too much value !

Best Regards
Jorge (jrally)

[jrally]

Dear tombe,

I found one thing !
In the result about Alpenfahrt 64 You write that Georg Kaufmann has been 8th ! I have him in 5th place.

the classification I have :
1-Hopkirk-Liddon Austin Healey 3000
2-Ortner-Huber Steyr Puch 650 TR
3-Cavallari-Rubbieri Alfa Romeo Giulia
4-Poltinger-Merinsky Morris Cooper S
5-Kaufmann-Kling D.K.W. Junior
6-Karger-Denzel Volvo
7-Schindler-Naber M.G.B.

what is wrong ?

Thanks in advance
Regards
jrally

[tombe]

Originally posted by jrally
Dear tombe,
..........

what is wrong ?

Thanks in advance
Regards
jrally

Well, if I only knew.

My source is a Swedish seasonal survey named 'Motoråret', (aquired just one week ago).
It gives the table quoted, although with marks. The organizer obviousely employed an unusual sysem, as the crew with the highest total won.
I have no way to tell how reliable this book is, BUT confusion sets in when I look further down at the table of the class-winners. Here the sum of marks given are higher than in the general classification. It differs with from about twenty up to two hundred marks.

Can somebody throw some light on this?

[jrally]

Thank You, Mr. Berge !
Just wanted to ask You also : Do you have also the co-drivers of those rallyes You've gave the results ?

Best Regards
Jorge

[tombe]

Originally posted by jrally
Thank You, Mr. Berge !
Just wanted to ask You also : Do you have also the co-drivers of those rallyes You've gave the results ?

Best Regards
Jorge

Sorry, no.

[jrally]

Thanks anyway, Mr. Berge !

Regards
Jrally

[jarama]

Österreichische Alpenfahrt '64, according to Autocourse:

1) Hopkirk / Liddon, 1930,0 pt
2) Johann Ortner / -, 1848,3 pt
3) Cavallari / Rubbieri, 1800,8 pt
4) Gass / Säckl, 1798,0 pt
5) Pöltinger / Merinsky, 1788,5 pt
6) Karger / Denzel, 1785,7 pt
7) Schindler / Naber, 1769,5 pt
8) Kaufmann / Kling, 1769,1 pt
9) Benedikt / Herle, 1754,0 pt
10) König / Mauerhofer, 1748,2 pt
11) Trefz / Hannweg, 1742,2 pt
12) Pfnier / Berns, 1733,5 pt
13) Ogier / Pointet, 1730,3 pt
14) Hilpold / -, 1727,4 pt
15) Obrecht / Hruschka, 1722,6 pt
16) Janger / -, 1722,6 pt
17) Maitz / -, 1715,0 pt
18) Gaberszik / Gaberszik, 1710,7 pt
19) Koch / Beran, 1692,5 pt
20) Wiener / Wiener, 1691,2 pt


This is a exact transcription of the results printed in Autocourse: No car, no first names...

There's a note stating that the entrants could dispense the co-driver, providing an alternative weight of 60 kg was carried...


Carles.

[jrally]

Thanks a lot, Carles !

Regards
Jorge

[jarama]

Jorge,

some data extracted from the main text about the Alpenfahrt in Autocourse:

Dates: 29th-31st May '64
Starting point: Velden
Route: 1700 km long in 3 legs (the route included 6 SS and accelaration & braking tests)
Finish: Velden

Hopkirk / Liddon, Austin-Healey 3000
Johannes Örtnner, Steyr-Püch 0,7-l. (a 650 TR, I suppose!)
Schindler / Naber, MGB
Cavallari, Alfa Romeo (usually during 1964 @ the wheel of a Giulia ti Super)
Gass / Säckl, Porsche (a 356, of course!)


Of my database:
Paddy Hopkirk / Henry Liddon, #2, ARX 91B
Arnaldo Cavallari / Fulvio Rubbieri
W. Gass / J. Säckl
Walter Pöltinger / Ernst Merinsky, BMC Mini Cooper S
Carl Christian Schindler
Georg Kaufmann / Alfred Kling, DKW
Benedikt, Volvo
König, Steyr-Püch
Jean-Claude Ogier / Lucette Pointet
Gustav Hruschka
Günther Janger

Also starter:
Gernot (I think, but I'm not sure if was Georg instead) Fischer, MGB


Carles.

[jrally]

Thanks a lot, Carles !

[jrally]

Could we continue ?