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[Shiftin]

This weekend there is another edition of the very important Marlboro Masters and Zandvoort Netherlands.

Wheater is a bit out of balance so there is a big chance of Rain for the weekend. This of course sucks if you want to work on your teint but it's great news for the ones travelling there cause the ones coming for the beach will stay at home....

Could also provide some interesting racing...

Anyone else going?

Program for Sunday:

09:15-09:45 Top 10 Kwalificatie McGregor Porsche GT3 Cup Challenge 

10:00-10:10 Warmup Thoroughbred Grand Prix 

10:20-10:35 Warmup Formule 3 

10:45-11:25 Race 2 Shell Helix SEAT Cupra Cup (12 ronden) 

11:35-12:15 Race 2 Formula Renault, Race 2 (12 ronden) 

12:25-13:25 Race 3 & 4 McGregor Porsche GT3 Cup Challenge, Race 3 & 4 (2 x 12 ronden) 

13:40   Startprocedure Formule 3 

14:00-15:00 Race 7 Marlboro Masters of F3 (25 ronden) 

15:10-16:00   Marlboro Demonstraties 

16:10-16:50 Race Thoroughbred Grand Prix (12 ronden) 

17:00-17:40 Race Dunlop SportMaxx Clio Cup (12 ronden)

Nice... I am also looking forward to the Ferrari demonstration as I believe there will be 3 generations of Ferrari. With Eddie Irvine, Rene Arnoux and Jacky Ickx..
Also looking very much forward to the Thoroughbred GP... Anyone ever seen it, please tell me what to expect...

Entries for the Formula 3 race..

> Formula 3

Race zondag 12 juni 14.00 uur 25 laps

No Driver Nat Team Car Engine

1 Lewis Hamilton (GB) ASM F3 Dallara Mercedes-HWA

2 Adrian Sutil (D) ASM F3 Dallara Mercedes-HWA

3 Marko Asmer (EST) Hitech Racing Dallara Honda-Mugen

4 Alvaro Barba (E) Hitech Racing Dallara Honda-Mugen

5 Ferdinand Kool (NL) JB Motorsport Lola Honda-Mugen

6 Ho-Pin Tung (NL) JB Motorsport Dallara Honda-Mugen

7 Steven Kane (GB) JB Motorsport Lola Honda-Mugen

8 Mike Conway (GB) Fortec Motorsport Dallara Opel-Spiess

9 James Walker (GB) Fortec Motorsport Dallara Opel-Spiess

11 Ronayne O'Mahony (IRL) Fortec Motorsport Dallara Opel-Spiess

12 James Rossiter (GB) Signature-Plus Dallara Opel-Spiess

14 Guillaume Moreau (F) Signature Dallara Opel-Spiess

15 Loic Duval (F) Signature –Plus Dallara Opel-Spiess

18 Esteban Guerreri (ARG) Team Midland Euro Series Dallara Toyota-Toms

19 Richard Antinucci (USA) Team Midland Euro Series Dallara Toyota-Toms

20 Alvaro Parente (P) Carlin Motorsport Dallara Honda-Mugen

21 Christian Bakkerud (DK) Carlin Motorsport Dallara Honda-Mugen

22 Keiko Ihara (J) Carlin Motorsport Dallara Honda-Mugen

23 Charlie Kimball (USA) Carlin Motorsport Dallara Honda-Mugen

24 Lucas di Grassi (BR) Manor Motorsport Dallara Mercedes-HWA

25 Paul di Resta (GB) Manor Motorsport Dallara Mercedes-HWA

26 Giedo van der Garde (NL) Team Rosberg Dallara Opel-Spiess

27 Kohei Hirate (J) Team Rosberg Dallara Opel-Spiess

28 Maximillian Götz (D) HBR Motorsport GmbH Dallara Opel-Spiess

29 Hannes Neuhauser (A ) HBR Motorsport GmbH Dallara Mercedes-HWA

30 Alejandro Nunez (E) HBR Motorsport GmbH Dallara Opel-Spiess

32 Bruno Senna (BR) Double R Racing Dallara Honda-Mugen

33 Dan Clarke (GB) Double R Racing Dallara Honda-Mugen

34 Sebastian Vettel (D) ASL Mücke Motorsport Dallara Mercedes-HWA

35 Atila Abreu (BR) ASL Mücke Motorsport Dallara Mercedes-HWA

37 Ross Zwolsman (NL) Ross Zwolsman Dallara Opel-Spiess

38 Franck Perera (F) Prema Powerteam Dallara Opel-Spiess

39 Marco Bonanomi (I) Prema Powerteam Dallara Opel-Spiess

40 Greg Franchi (B) Prema Powerteam Dallara Opel-Spiess

41 Stephen Jelley (GB) Menu F3 Motorsport Dallara Opel-Spiess

42 Ryan Lewis (GB) T-Sport Dallara Honda-Mugen

43 Thomas Holzer (D) AM-Holzer Rennsport GmbH Dallara Opel-Spiess

43 cars... And even our own Dutch Ross competing...;)

Don't miss it if you are in the Netherlands. I have been there twice and it's GREAT...

[Slow_Hands]

marlboro masters is my favorite motor racing event of the year. cant wait.

this year and last year however we have an f3 team called ASM who will wipe the floor with everyone else. they have loads of resources and act like a mini f1 team. they scored a one-two in the race last year and will do so again this year. lewis hamilton is benefiting big time with this team, just like jamie green did last year.

[lustigson]

I've been wondering, lately, why the Masters' organisers are so hot on "all the future F1 stars" being there? How many of the Masters' winners or top scorers have actually made it to F1, let alone won anything? Winners include David Coulthard (1991), Pedro Lamy ('92) and Jos Verstappen ('93) of whom only Coulthard ever one a Grand Prix.

Furthermore there are Norberto Fontana ('95), who briefly raced for Sauber in '96, IIRC, and Tom Coronel ('97) who merely tested for Arrows in '99. Takuma Sato (2001) is at B·A·R and Christian Klien ('03) at Red Bull. Only Sato ever scored a podium finish.

So, how important are the Masters of Formula 3?

[Jason]

Originally posted by lustigson
I've been wondering, lately, why the Masters' organisers are so hot on "all the future F1 stars" being there? How many of the Masters' winners or top scorers have actually made it to F1, let alone won anything? Winners include David Coulthard (1991), Pedro Lamy ('92) and Jos Verstappen ('93) of whom only Coulthard ever one a Grand Prix.

Furthermore there are Norberto Fontana ('95), who briefly raced for Sauber in '96, IIRC, and Tom Coronel ('97) who merely tested for Arrows in '99. Takuma Sato (2001) is at B·A·R and Christian Klien ('03) at Red Bull. Only Sato ever scored a podium finish.

So, how important are the Masters of Formula 3?

Well, I'd say if you're able to win both the Macau F3 race and the Marlboro Masters race then you stand a real shot of getting an F1 seat. Winning one event, could be put down to luck, but winning both events deserves some attention.

[Slow_Hands]

Originally posted by Jason

Well, I'd say if you're able to win both the Macau F3 race and the Marlboro Masters race then you stand a real shot of getting an F1 seat. Winning one event, could be put down to luck, but winning both events deserves some attention.

funny you should say that as alex premat, who won macau and the masters last year got lucky in both races. he even clouted the wall before crossing the line at macau! but he was driving for ASM mercedes anyway so he would have been podium material anyway.....

if lewis hamilton doesnt win the master i will eat my hat! he simply has the best machinery to work with. and he is a fantastic driver to boot.

[lustigson]

A quick look-see shows that of the total 458 participants between 1991 and 2004 only 33 ever made it to Formula 1. And only five of them ever one a Grand Prix!

Here's the list:

[b]Name				  Participated  Best  F1 in[/b]

Albers, Christijan	 98, 99		4	 2005

Badoer, Luca		   91			4	 1993-1999

Barrichello, Rubens	91			6	 1993-2005

Baumgartner, Zsolt	 00, 01		15	2003-2004

Bernoldi, Enrique	  97, 98		2	 2001-2002

Bruni, Gianmaria	   00, 01		4	 2004

Coulthard, David	   91			1	 1994-2005

Da Matta, Cristiano	95			29	2003-2004

De La Rosa, Pedro	  93			9	 1999-2005

Diniz, Pedro		   92			20	1995-2000

Fisichella, Giancarlo  94			9	 1996-2005

Fontana, Norberto	  94, 95		1	 1997

Glock, Timo			03			30	2004

Heidfeld, Nick		 96, 97		3	 2000-2005

Karthikeyan, Narain	99, 00		13	2005

Kiesa, Nicolas		 00, 01		9	 2003

Klien, Christian	   03			1	 2004-2005

Lamy, Pedro			92			1	 1993-1996

Liuzzi, Vitantonio	 02			8	 2005

Magnussen, Jan		 94			27	1995-1998

Mazzacane, Gaston	  95			18	2000-2001

Monteiro, Tiago		99, 00, 01	5	 2005

Montoya, Juan Pablo	96			4	 2001-2005

Noda, Hideki		   91			10	1994

Pizzonia, Antonio	  00			34 	  2004

Rosset, Ricardo		94			31	1996-1998

Sarrazin, Stephane	 97			15	1999

Sato, Takuma		   00, 01		1	 2001-2005

Schumacher, Ralf	   94, 95		2	 1997-2005

Sospiri, Vincenzo	  92			7	 1997

Trulli, Jarno		  96			18	1997-2005

Verstappen, Jos		93			1	 1994-2003

Wurz, Alexander		93, 94, 95	17	1997-2005

[scheivlak]

Originally posted by lustigson
And only five of them ever one a Grand Prix!

Six ;)
Four others made the podium at least once.

[lulup]

Originally posted by Shiftin
6 Ho-Pin Tung (NL) JB Motorsport Dallara Honda-Mugen

Surprise,surprise!Tung Ho-Pin suddenly became a Dutch driver after he failed to cheats the Chinese companies.

[lustigson]

Originally posted by scheivlak
Six ;)
Four others made the podium at least once.

Oops. Six, indeed. However, that's still only 1,3 percent of the total number of participants since 1991.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Yeah but how many new F1 winners have we had since 1991, and how many of those started driving during or after 91?

[Spunout]

Considering there are only 20 seats or so, that´s not so bad.

[carbonfibre]

Well the best of the best F3 drivers come here to compete agains eachother. So wether or not they make it to F1 these are the best around right now.

[Bumper]

Originally posted by Jason

Well, I'd say if you're able to win both the Macau F3 race and the Marlboro Masters race then you stand a real shot of getting an F1 seat. Winning one event, could be put down to luck, but winning both events deserves some attention.

It would certainly get the biggies' attention and would be an important stepping stone in any racing career.

Darn, I go to the Marlboro Masters every year (and my brother lives round the corner) but it's always been in August, this year will be the first time I can't make it because of the June date. Remind me again why they moved it to June, was it the end of the Marlboro sponsorship thing was it?

[lustigson]

Originally posted by Spunout
Considering there are only 20 seats or so, that´s not so bad.

That is true. Of the list of 33 Masters participants, 18 are still involved in F1 either as driver, Friday-man or test driver.

[babbel]

Originally posted by Bumper


It would certainly get the biggies' attention and would be an important stepping stone in any racing career.

Darn, I go to the Marlboro Masters every year (and my brother lives round the corner) but it's always been in August, this year will be the first time I can't make it because of the June date. Remind me again why they moved it to June, was it the end of the Marlboro sponsorship thing was it?

Tobacco sponsorship is no longer allowed after july 31st so they had to move it to June.

[Shiftin]

Originally posted by babbel


Tobacco sponsorship is no longer allowed after july 31st so they had to move it to June.

Just out of interest. Is there anything known about next year?

Would suck if we'd lose our biggest autosportevent because of this...

[Ross Stonefeld]

I think it will continue, you just wont have the F1 demonstrations and everything.

[Double Apex]

For those who want to follow some of the action live over the internet, go to www.circuit-zandvoort.nl and then click on "RaceCams Live" on the right.

Right now the first F1 demo is on

[Slow_Hands]

so far, ASM having been showing just why they are many peoples choice for best f3 team ever. hamilton and sutil topped both their quali sessions. the last chance to qualify is in about 15 minutes. mercedes for the second year running is the engine to have.

[carbonfibre]

It looked like Eddie (Irvine) was really enjoying his ride with the F2001.

[Shiftin]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
I think it will continue, you just wont have the F1 demonstrations and everything.

Better then nothing I guess but I am really fond of these demo's. Watching a 500cc bike and a Ferrari F1-car having a acceleration contest on the straight is something fantastic.

[man]

How much does it cost, are tickets still available and where are they available?

[Keffo]

Originally posted by man
How much does it cost, are tickets still available and where are they available?

i don't know how much it cost, but you can buy your ticket tomorrow at the circuit...

[Keffo]

Originally posted by Shiftin


Better then nothing I guess but I am really fond of these demo's. Watching a 500cc bike and a Ferrari F1-car having a acceleration contest on the straight is something fantastic.

it's already sure that there will be a 2006-event at Zandvoort I thought....

[babbel]

Originally posted by man
How much does it cost, are tickets still available and where are they available?

22 Euros for a place in the dunes.

I don't think Zandvoort can sell out with all dune space

[Slow_Hands]

my mate is in amsterdam for his 30th birthday. i told him he would love the marlboro masters and that it isnt far from amsterdam. i wonder if he will make his way away from his window shopping to watch the biggest and best motor racing event in holland...

anyway does anyone know what irvine's lap time was in comparrison to luca badoer's track record?! imagine if he got his racing spark back! maybe he could DRIVE for jordan aswell as owning them!

[babbel]

The times for Irvine were not recorded as far as I know. John Bosch times were and he was iirc 2.5 seconds slower than the time of Badoer in 2002.

[Double Apex]

Actually the best time Bosch did was a 1:21.8 which is exactly 2 secs. off of Badoers lap record. Badoer did that lap in a F2001 while Bosch was driving the F2002.

He tried to break the lap record last year as well but he never got close. Doesn't look like he will this year either.

[100cc]

Originally posted by lulup
Surprise,surprise!Tung Ho-Pin suddenly became a Dutch driver after he failed to cheats the Chinese companies.

Or perhaps because he got a Dutch racing licence?

If "cheating" the chinese companies means getting a lot of money out of them i'd say he did quite well.

[lulup]

Then why did he use "CHN" as his nationality when he raced in AFBMW & Macau if his racing licence is a Dutch one?

He can speech/read/write chinese,never been here and never use "CHN" as his nationality when he raced in F.Ford before.And then suddenly,the chinese companies starting to have some interests for motorsport ,because there's Chinese GP,he came to China and held some press conferences to tell the chinese media & companies how he always felt that there's "Chinese blood" flowing in his body since he born and how the chinese companies should supports chinese driver - him!

I was so "touching" when I read what he say and I almost cry!

[Muzza]

Originally posted by lulup
Then why did he use "CHN" as his nationality when he raced in AFBMW & Macau if his racing licence is a Dutch one?

He can speech/read/write chinese,never been here and never use "CHN" as his nationality when he raced in F.Ford before.And then suddenly,the chinese companies starting to have some interests for motorsport ,because there's Chinese GP,he came to China and held some press conferences to tell the chinese media & companies how he always felt that there's "Chinese blood" flowing in his body since he born and how the chinese companies should supports chinese driver - him!

I was so "touching" when I read what he say and I almost cry!

A similar cheap trick was played some years ago (actually still is) by André Couto, calling himself Macanese...

Misinformed (or plain stupid) journalists, press attachés and even race organizers and scrutineers often write (MAC) in front of Couto's name as a reference to his "citizenship".

[Keffo]

Hamilton

[Slow_Hands]

Originally posted by Slow_Hands
this year and last year however we have an f3 team called ASM who will wipe the floor with everyone else. they have loads of resources and act like a mini f1 team. they scored a one-two in the race last year and will do so again this year. lewis hamilton is benefiting big time with this team, just like jamie green did last year.

the other teams better get their act together soon. this asm dominance is ruining drivers reputations and elevating others....all being equal, hamilton might still have won but would have actually had to work for it. with asm he can afford stop at his pits for a drink and a bag of nuts. adrian sutil isnt even a front running driver. it was funny last year with sutil. he spent all year as a backmarker then asm gave hima drive at hockenheim and he was suddenly on pole position! anyway i dont want to take anything away from hamilton. like i said he probably would have won anyway.