16 replies to this topic

[MrSlow]

All Michelin is classified as DNF - but none of the where at the startline when the lights went off.
Was it a tactical mistake by the teams to go on the warmup lap or did they deliberately do just so that the GP should be valid? Had they stayed in the pits all the time I guess that no points would have been given since 6 cars starting is not enough for a GP race. Anyone have any idea why they did like that?

Or is DNF in fact wrong?

[tifoso]

I think because taking the formation lap is considered starting. I'll try to find the specific rule in the sporting regs.

[Cool Tard]

Arent most of the garages before the start/finish line?

They technically didnt even complete the warm-up lap

[MrSlow]

The regs does not seem to specify a minimum amount of cars, it just say:
17) An Event may be cancelled if fewer than 12 cars are available for it. (Sporting regs)

and:

8B) In the regulations of the Event, the organiser may state the minimum number of entered cars. If that number is not reached, the organiser may cancel the Event after obtaining the FIA's approval.

But I fail to understand why they took the formation lap instead of a DNS.

[Keffo]

Originally posted by MrSlow

But I fail to understand why they took the formation lap instead of a DNS. [/B]

qualifying order for France?

[tifosi]

Originally posted by MrSlow
But I fail to understand why they took the formation lap instead of a DNS.

I believe within the Concorde agreement they face very draconian sanctions if they simply do not start. Especially as they had not officially withdrawn the cars 45 minutes prior to the event.

[Chubby_Deuce]

I believe tifosi has it right.

Taking the formation lap means that the teams started the GP, and therefore avoid penalties for not doing so.

[Tomecek]

Originally posted by Chubby_Deuce
I believe tifosi has it right.

Taking the formation lap means that the teams started the GP, and therefore avoid penalties for not doing so.

FIA finally will face difficulties to explain its own rules to itself while trying penalise the teams

Penalty for DNS but they actually DNF, so if we will penalise them for DNS how they could DNF... ouuu how we will penalise them?!

[Tomecek]

Originally posted by Chubby_Deuce
I believe tifosi has it right.

Taking the formation lap means that the teams started the GP, and therefore avoid penalties for not doing so.

FIA finally will face difficulties to explain its own rules to itself while trying penalise the teams

Penalty for DNS but they actually DNF, so if we will penalise them for DNS how they could DNF... ouuu how we will penalise them?!

[Umpire]

From an article on pitpass, it seems by doing the warm up lap they fulfilled contractual obligations with the race promoter. That way, they also 'f****d the promoter' and 'f****d the fans'

[alanwarp]

As someone who was at the race, the fact that the Michelin-shod teams did the formation lap was the biggest kick in the balls. We had read the night before about all the nonsense going on and how there may only be 6 cars in the race, but the fact that the Michelin-shod drivers participated in both the formation lap and the drivers parade was real bulls**t, we thought we were going to see a race when all 20 cars were driving around, but instead they douched us.

[turin]

As far I understand, all michelin drivers stood on their cars until the second lap was completed. By doing this, they sort of "started" the race and then withdrew from it. That is different for instance to what happened to MS on Magny Cours 97? , when his engine gave up on the formation lap. He hopped off the car, thus never started (DNS)

-pato

[Dudley]

Because they started?

[MrSlow]

Originally posted by Dudley
Because they started?

Did you see them start or are you trying to be funny?

[skinnylizard]

a DNS will cost Bernie money because of his starting grid gurantee. i dont know what the exact requirements are with what constitutes a DNS but i think it must have been satisfied. it allowed Bernie to escape penalties (whcih ive heard are very heavy)

[Racer Joe]

Each GP team, excepting force majeur, has to start every single race of the season or risk having their entry revoked in the Concorde Agreement.

[DavidR]

Originally posted by turin
As far I understand, all michelin drivers stood on their cars until the second lap was completed. By doing this, they sort of "started" the race and then withdrew from it. That is different for instance to what happened to MS on Magny Cours 97? , when his engine gave up on the formation lap. He hopped off the car, thus never started (DNS)

-pato

? = 96