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[just me again]

It was just annouced in Danish tv that Nicolas Kiesa will test at Hockenheim.
They said no more. But i think it can only be the job as Jordan Friday tester.

Bjørn

[BRG]

Well, gosh, doesn't that add to the impressive line-up of talent at Jordan-Midland?

Not one 2005 Jordan driver so far even belongs in F1.

[Dolph]

You are fogetting that one of them had a podium this year. That's something, isn't it

[Cojayar]

Originally posted by Dolph
You are fogetting that one of them had a podium this year. That's something, isn't it

No, because he did not beat any other car than Jordans and Minardis. Not a great achievement and probably the end of the career of TM if he thinks he've done something.

[Dolph]

Originally posted by Cojayar

No, because he did not beat any other car than Jordans and Minardis. Not a great achievement and probably the end of the career of TM if he thinks he've done something.

U don't have sarcasm in your country, do you?

[Scorg]

Atlas now reporting this under the grapevine section

http://www.autosport...px?id=45822&s=5

[just me again]

Maybe it's nothing. they have only mentioned it once. and it's not on the tv stations homesite yet.

Bjørn

[tombr]

U don't have sarcasm in your country, do you?

or

[mclarenroxxors]

wtf is up with the kiesa bashing

[jk]

Kiesa is an okay driver. Not a coming superstar but he should get a fair chance.

[Dolph]

Originally posted by tombr


or

u lost me

[tillster]

Shame it's not Tom Kristensen

Not that i think TK should be doing Friday testing for Jordan, but at least he has talent. Kiesa is fine for the job in hand but that's as far as it goes.

IMHO

[Scorg]

All he needs to do is run as a many laps as posible to get as many miles as posible onto the 15B and run the tyres
Think he should be ok for that at least

[DSP]

Originally posted by BRG
Well, gosh, doesn't that add to the impressive line-up of talent at Jordan-Midland?

Not one 2005 Jordan driver so far even belongs in F1.

On what basis do you say that ?

You are showing to be one of those who think (to my view, wrongly) that only drivers that are blistering fast from day one are "F1 material"...

Well, you are wrong... ...different drivers have different learnig curves, but that does not mean that their curves peak points are necessarly different.

To my view, Tiago Monteiro has been showing a race consistency and a development capacity that put him way over many drivers of other (better) teams.

The best he can do with his car is beatting his team-mate and both Minardis.... ...he has been doing that. I do think he deserves some credit.

[se7en_24]

Originally posted by tillster
Shame it's not Tom Kristensen

Not that i think TK should be doing Friday testing for Jordan, but at least he has talent. Kiesa is fine for the job in hand but that's as far as it goes.

IMHO

Tom should try and get a job testing for Ferrari. He's already a master of team orders and performed a mighty 'chop' on a competitor at the Norisring DTM weekend.;)

[BRG]

Originally posted by DSP
You are showing to be one of those who think (to my view, wrongly) that only drivers that are blistering fast from day one are "F1 material"...

Quite the opposite in fact. I have often said that rookies should be given some latititude to settle into F1 and NOT be damned for failing to beat everyone on their first outing.

But, and it is a very big BUT I do believe extremely strongly that no-one should be allowed into F1 unless they are fully proven to be a top racing talent. Meaning a winner in a credible series or championships. In fact, I would demand that only championship winning drivers should be allowed into F1. It is the pinnacle (allegedly) so what are also-rans from minor series doing there? Even if they do come from interesting countries where Bernie thinks he can grub up a few more dollars, or even if they do have a large bag of money to give to the team.

Nor is F1 a learning series - yes, they need to adapt to the challenge, but even rookie F1 drivers should have mastered all the basic race craft and honed racing skills long before they reach the pinnacle.

[williams96]

It will be interesting to see how well he does in something other than the Minardi.

[DSP]

Originally posted by BRG
Quite the opposite in fact. I have often said that rookies should be given some latititude to settle into F1 and NOT be damned for failing to beat everyone on their first outing.

But, and it is a very big BUT I do believe extremely strongly that no-one should be allowed into F1 unless they are fully proven to be a top racing talent. Meaning a winner in a credible series or championships. In fact, I would demand that only championship winning drivers should be allowed into F1. It is the pinnacle (allegedly) so what are also-rans from minor series doing there? Even if they do come from interesting countries where Bernie thinks he can grub up a few more dollars, or even if they do have a large bag of money to give to the team.

Nor is F1 a learning series - yes, they need to adapt to the challenge, but even rookie F1 drivers should have mastered all the basic race craft and honed racing skills long before they reach the pinnacle.

I cannot entirely disagree with you. In general, it's correct what you say.

I do think however, that (as everything in life) there may be (and there are) exceptions.

Just as it's true that history "is full" of drivers that won everything they had to win in promotional series just to reach F1 and not delivering (Jan Magnunssen, anyone ?) it can also be acceptable that a driver may get to be an good/very good F1 driver without making big impressions in previous series where he has raced at.

Tiago has had a very unusual career for today's standards. He started racing at the age of 20. Before that, he simply never had stepped on any racing vehicle (karting included).

Last year, he was Nissan World Series vice-champion, with 5 wins only losing to the much (may i say, "over") hyped Kovailanen. The previous year e had caused very much good impression at ChampCar World Series at Fittipaldi team, wich everyone knows was not a winning car.

This year he has been showing some very good performances (don't forget it's a Jordan he's driving) and demonstrating a maturity, consistency and speed that makes me think that he is indeed, much better than many of the drivers currently racing at top teams.

[jcbc3]

Originally posted by se7en_24
Tom should try and get a job testing for Ferrari. He's already a master of team orders and performed a mighty 'chop' on a competitor at the Norisring DTM weekend.;)

Tk did, and apologised.

The funny thing was that Paffet, along with Albers, has been the worst offender of dirty driving in DTM the last couple of years.