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#1 FucF1

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 14:38

On another forum I use the editing posts function has been disabled, while it sounds like a bad idea it actually works very well, it means that people have to consider carefully what they're going to say and if called on it can't delete or edit their posts to cover themselves.

Its irritating when a debate or argument makes no sense on the forums because people have went back and deleted or edited earlier posts. If the edit function was done away with people would have no option but to stand by what they've said.

Just a suggestion...

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#2 bira

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 14:50

It's not a bad idea. I can add a time limit of, say, 15 minutes - so in the 15 minutes after posting people can still fix typos or such if they wanted (I know I often post and then notice an error). But after 15 minutes posts won't be editable for non-hosts.

#3 kodandaram

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 15:22

nah bira honey - I think that wouldn't help matters . Many times I have posted stuff which was inaccurate but I found out only later and have had to edit it ...and certainly not in the 15mins .

Also edited posts are better when a person reads a thread post by post . Imagine there is an error in post 13 and then the correction has been noted in post 150 that would mislead people who read that later on .

#4 bira

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 15:41

Originally posted by kodandaram
nah bira honey - I think that wouldn't help matters . Many times I have posted stuff which was inaccurate but I found out only later and have had to edit it ...and certainly not in the 15mins .

Also edited posts are better when a person reads a thread post by post . Imagine there is an error in post 13 and then the correction has been noted in post 150 that would mislead people who read that later on .


I'd rather you posted a correction that rewrite history. I think that's Fuc's point, and I wholeheartedly share it.

Given the meaningful advantage of banning the edit feature as far as the server load goes, I'm surprised I didn't think of it sooner - and than Fuc for bringing the option up.

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 17:07

Be a nightmare for me in bets and games as I have to edit posts to change runners and riders in the events in allrounders. Would probably make me spell better though.

#6 The Kanisteri

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 20:29

Hmm... Spell checker should be fixed for Mozilla users (usually it loads long time and leaves window empty) before erasing 'edit' button.

I use to make way too much typos I fix afterwards so my concerns are quite same than LB's. :p

#7 FucF1

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 22:55

Originally posted by bira


I'd rather you posted a correction that rewrite history. I think that's Fuc's point, and I wholeheartedly share it.

Given the meaningful advantage of banning the edit feature as far as the server load goes, I'm surprised I didn't think of it sooner - and than Fuc for bringing the option up.


Yeah, thats exactly what I mean.

Glad you think its a good idea...and the 15 minutes of grace may be an even better one, I know most of my posts are full of typo's on first posting anyway. :lol:

#8 kismet

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Posted 25 July 2005 - 08:42

I don't suppose it's possible to leave the Bets & Games forum outside this editing limitation? Lots of editing going on there, much of it even 'necessary' and not resulting from mere carelessness. Would also help us poor game hosts, who invariably get things wrong from time to time, if correcting a simple mistake didn't involve retyping and reformatting huge chunks of text. And I've really grown rather fond of my time-saving edit-an-old-post-and-submit-it-as-a-new-thread tactic which is no longer possible. Not that I can't live with the situation. :)

#9 Moanaman

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Posted 25 July 2005 - 11:15

Hi All

I have found an exception to your rule :p

I made an error in my calculations for GTR Germany that I didnt find until 30 mins later. Now I am unable to edit or delete these posts and have to email you for you to delete them.

Cool with me but more work for you.

M.

#10 Moanaman

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Posted 25 July 2005 - 11:50

Oh, forgot to mention, anyone who enters any of our comps in RC Bets and Games cant edit or delete their entry after 15 mins of posting.

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Posted 25 July 2005 - 13:38

Taking no account of server time, I think the edit feature is useful (and often used in the meet and great threads to ensure that the first post has all the up to date info in it). Posters often leave a note in their message if it has been edited for clarity.

-mel

#12 stylus

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Posted 25 July 2005 - 14:06

It's a whole new world. :blush:

Does this make it more likely that you won't have to start the 'new' BB from scratch? :) (Or is it that a completely different problem?)

#13 Moanaman

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 10:18

Originally posted by Moanaman
... and have to email you for you to delete them......


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#14 MortenF1

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 20:21

I'll seond that it will be a nightmare in the games! I more or less ALWAYS edit my guesses, be it pole time or grid order. I'ts not the end of the world I suppose, it's "only" a game done for fun, but still....

I also very often read through my post after a while, and then edit them for typos (I hate it when I spell a word wrong). Quite often I write a post quickly, before I'm off to somewhere, and when I then visit the thread a few hours later, I read through my last post, and correct any typos.

But you've already introduced this time limit, so..... :

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 20:57

i think the 15 minute limit on edits is a very bad idea. Increase the time to 1 day or do away with altogether. Too much server traffic? Find a better server.

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 22:27

Originally posted by pa
i think the 15 minute limit on edits is a very bad idea. Increase the time to 1 day or do away with altogether. Too much server traffic? Find a better server.


:rolleyes: talk about demanding - especially for a free service.

I'm on the fence with this one. I have posted and deleted posts simply because of regret (or realizing the next day that I may have had a drink too much and mortified at what I wrote :blush: ) I'm not so worried about typos. Perhaps with this 15 minute window, I - as well as others, might think twice before posting something that might later be regretted.

That might not be a bad thing.

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 01:42

Originally posted by CDNgrl


:rolleyes: talk about demanding - especially for a free service.


Yes, yes, we all know it's free. Now, am I not entitled to my opinion? Is this not the right place to express it? I probably speak for many others on this board who have't figured out where to complain about such things.

#18 bira

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 09:53

Originally posted by pa
I probably speak for many others on this board who have't figured out where to complain about such things.


:lol:

#19 275 GTB-4

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 10:28

Me against the 15 minutes...there are enough rules and regs on this VERY MUCH APPRECIATED forum.. :kiss:

BUT...by all means apply it ruthlessly to those who say one thing, draw some flack then go back and modify their words....

I have changed a months old post on the odd occaision if I notice some way to make it read better... :blush:

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#20 Ben

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 11:18

I think it's a good idea. I tend to use it ocassionally for typos and then that's generally in a 15 minute window.

Ben

#21 Moanaman

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 02:39

Bira, if it is possible, could you please disable the 15 minute edit deadline for the RC Bets and Games forum.

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 18:35

Is it possible to make the feature forum specific?
If this NO-EDIT function WERE forum specific you might be able steer Meet and Greet threads away from RC and over to the Travelling forum?

As mel said there are countless changes in info for M&G's. That first post usually carries the vital info.

Purely selfish motives here... I use the edit feature on my stupid travelogues to fix picture links and web addresses as far out as a half year!!!

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#23 275 GTB-4

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 03:27

I double posted inadvertantly yesterday and can't get rid of it now....

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 09:39

Not being able to edit posts in Bets & Games is pretty bad. Sometimes, especially when travelling, I enter my bets very early in case I don't have access near the deadline. This becomes a handicap now, especially in competitions that allow betting beyond Friday morning.

And the change in policy should have been announced by a sticky in the forums.

#25 AcuraF1

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 11:15

Originally posted by dnbn
Not being able to edit posts in Bets & Games is pretty bad. Sometimes, especially when travelling, I enter my bets very early in case I don't have access near the deadline. This becomes a handicap now, especially in competitions that allow betting beyond Friday morning.

And the change in policy should have been announced by a sticky in the forums.


I agree with you on both of your points. In bets and games the cutoff time is sometimes very early in the morning where I am, and thus if there is any news that affects the grids that happens before practice/qualification, I can't react to it. :down:

#26 MrSlow

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 12:11

15 min limit is definetly a good idea, but it has it's drawbacks.
I have this thread: The Kimi vs Juan Pablo scorecard where I used to update the first post with new data after each race. That is not possible now and as mel said earlier here - there is many threads where the first post contains the most up to data info about a ongoing event. I think that the first post in a thread is threated a bit different than the others by the system? Maybe there is a possibility to allow them to be edited?
In a way, the person starting a thread have a bit extra responsibility for it.

Does a "user can post new threads" rule exist in the system?

#27 jokuvaan

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 17:25

Ah, founded the patsy for this nonsense.

I have also a suggestion, bring back editing to bets. Elsewhere I can happily always make a new message for tiny changes. It will be awful mess but hey, not my problem.

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 17:31

This glorious new rule effectively means the end of threads containing lists which are designed to be constantly worked upon, for example like this one.

Thank you very much, FucF1 (phew, successfully avoided an embarrassing misspelling of this user-name) & Bira. :rolleyes: Well done! :down:

PS. By the way, can someone explain to me why the link which appears when you try to edit your post after the time limit has passed guides you to an e-mail address that has been disabled? :mad:


Last minute EDIT: I do stand by what I said (i.e. wrote). A time limit without exceptions (where they are reasonable) is not a good but a rather bad idea.

#29 scheivlak

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 19:23

Originally posted by Moanaman
Bira, if it is possible, could you please disable the 15 minute edit deadline for the RC Bets and Games forum.

I second that...

#30 MortenF1

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 21:34

It's been here for a little while now, and I've been greatly annoyed a hord of times by this new idea.

#31 Moanaman

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 21:42

Hi Bira, could you please respond to my question in post 21 above.

Thank you

M.

#32 Vitesse2

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 22:30

I have to say that I think a formal announcement of this would have been more acceptable. Not that I feel it's really acceptable anyway. Like others here, I have sometimes used the edit function months later on TNF posts where I've found an additional snippet of information or to correct minor errors or typos.

We've already established in another thread that at some point the Golden Member websites are to be withdrawn. No argument with that - it was a freebie which I knew couldn't be maintained forever - but it means that those of us (and there are many!) who have used our webspace to illustrate threads can no longer even contemplate re-illustrating them, since we'll be unable to replace the URLs. :down:

#33 bira

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 00:56

Well I think it's evident removing the edit feature creates problems as much as it eases load and helps preserving historical accuracy. It is also a system-wide on/off feature - i.e. I cannot allow edit in some places and not allow it in others (not without significant tweaking, anway).

So in short, I've restored the edit option to what it was before (despite my wish to be childish and leave it as-is simply to spite Vitesse2, who seems to think I should make a formal announcement every time Bernie farts).

Apologies for the aggravation

#34 Pils1989

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 01:37

How come I can't edit a post made some weeks ago? I get the 15 minutes message :confused:

As for no editing allowed... Even if I re-read what I'm going to post at least twice, I always found some spelling or grammar or whatever mistakes since english isn't my mother-tongue!

#35 275 GTB-4

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 02:17

Originally posted by bira
So in short, I've restored the edit option to what it was before (despite my wish to be childish and leave it as-is simply to spite Vitesse2, who seems to think I should make a formal announcement every time Bernie farts).


Magnifico Bira!!...and Vitesse2 will get theres one day... : ...I think it is a good move...now where was that damn double post... :blush:

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 02:44

Thanks, bira! :up:

#37 Moanaman

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 03:37

Thank you Bira :kiss:

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Posted 30 July 2005 - 10:43

Originally posted by bira
(despite my wish to be childish and leave it as-is simply to spite Vitesse2, who seems to think I should make a formal announcement every time Bernie farts).

Eh? :confused: I don't recall ever asking you to make an announcement about anything before ....
and I couldn't care less about Bernie's bowel habits!

Or is it just because I'm a grumpy old git? :p

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 14:30

I think the 15 minutes rule would be a good one for reasons stated above.

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#40 Pils1989

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 14:39

Why puting that rule just because of a few people?

#41 MortenF1

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Posted 21 August 2005 - 16:54

Is it back only contemporary due to server overload or is it permanent?
You know where I stand on this.

(ONE minute??)

Edit :D - I'm a bit confused, I got a message telling me about a one-minute limit for editing, but now it seems I can edit normally....

#42 Zmeej

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Posted 22 August 2005 - 14:01

Got a message similar to race addicted's, and haven't tried to edit since, but I'd definitely prefer to be able to.

Am usually fairly deliberate before posting, usually cycling through at least two "Previews," so I edit infrequently, but noticing an error or, as Myriam put it, being mortified by something one has written is inevitable, and usually takes at least 30 minutes or so of hindsight.

I can see how, with a huge membership that continues to expand, this would create server difficulties, but I do hope that it will be restored. :up:

#43 Zmeej

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Posted 22 August 2005 - 21:47

Just to try it out, edited some posts and met with no interference.

It also went faster than usual too! :)

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 16:09

Originally posted by FucF1
On another forum I use the editing posts function has been disabled, while it sounds like a bad idea it actually works very well, it means that people have to consider carefully what they're going to say and if called on it can't delete or edit their posts to cover themselves.

Its irritating when a debate or argument makes no sense on the forums because people have went back and deleted or edited earlier posts. If the edit function was done away with people would have no option but to stand by what they've said.

Just a suggestion...


Just an observation, but that's where the "quote" function is useful..

If for some reason you're taking issue with a posters comments, rather than just reply (as in the next post) simply quote the text (as I have done here) and then the original text is captured, regardless of whether or not the poster of the message decides to edit or otherwise...

Okay, back to packing for VIR.

Andrew :)