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[brickyard]

Hi,

Does anybody knows the correct model of the IRL Dallaras?

Sometimes I see IR3, others simply IR and sometimes IR7.

Any help?

BTW, what about the G-Forces and Riley & Scott?

Thanks

[theunions]

Even though the chassis is thoroughly redone in 3-year cycles, the '98 Dallara was the IR8, the '99 (end of that 3-year cycle) was the IR9 and so on. The 2000 G-Force was the GF05.

[Rob Ryder]

I agree that Dallara in 1998 was IR8 and 1999 was IR9.
I don't think the 2000 car was given a dignation, but in 2001 it was IR-01, 2002 the IR-02 and 2003 the IR-03 (this is still in use today). I think there should be a new chassis next season.. isn't it a three year cycle now?

G-Force. 1997 I have G-Force GF-01; 1998 G-Force GF-01B; 1999 G-Force GF-01C; 2000-1 G-Force GF-05; 2002-03 G-Force GF-05B; 2004 G-Force GF-09.

I don't remember ever seeing a number associated with the Riley & Scoot

These are only from books/IRL website etc and not the manufactruers

[Jeremy Jackson]

The Riley & Scott was the Mk. V

So is this year's "Panoz" (nee G-Force) still known as the GF-09?

[Rainer Nyberg]

I mailed Andrea Toso of Dallara Automobili some years ago, and he confirmed that the original 1997 car was called IR7 .

As already stated, IRL chassis are fixed for 3-year cycles, so any IR8 or IR9 were not built, as such.
However, Toso confirmed that 95% of the '97 IR7 cars got the '98 bodywork update.
This kit makes them IR8 cars.

In '98 Dallara also built 16 new cars, but they were all designated IR7 according to Toso.
The '98 update kit then made them IR8's.

And similarly cars receiving the '99 update kit, made them IR9 cars.

The all new 2000 car was the IR0.


Rob is correct about the G-Force chassis, the GF01 was the original 1997 chassis. An update was supplied for these cars in 1998 which was an option for the teams to buy. Any car that received the update was designated GF01B . Similarly the same occured in 1999, whereupon the cars were designated GF01C .

The GF05 was the all new 2000 car. GF05B was the '01 update.
The GF09 was the all new 2003 car. GF09B was the '04 update.
I believe the '05 update is called GF09C.

GF02 and GF03 (and GF03B) were Formula Nippon cars.
GF04 was the '99 Nissan R391 Le Mans car.

Here are the original owners of the different GF05 chassis:

1 Treadway Racing
2 A J Foyt Enterprises
3 Team Xtreme
4 A J Foyt Enterprises
5 Galles Racing
6 Team Xtreme
7 Dick Simon Racing
8 Galles Racing
9 A J Foyt Enterprises
10 Dreyer and Reinbold (winner of Walt Disney)
11 Team Xtreme
12 Treadway Racing
13 Not built...
14 Team Xtreme
15 A J Foyt Enterprises
16 Target Chip Ganassi Racing
17 Blueprint Racing (Written off at Indy I think)
18 Cunningham Racing / Teadway Racing
19 Target Chip Ganassi Racing
20 Dick Simon Racing
21 Target Chip Ganassi Racing
22 Target Chip Ganassi Racing
23 Indy Regency Racing
24 Dick Simon Racing
25 Treadway Racing
26 A J Foyt Enterprises
27 Treadway Racing - Replacement chassis only
28 Dreyer and Reinbold
29 Indy Spare


The first series ('97-'99) Riley & Scott cars were Mk V.

The all new 2000 Riley & Scott was called Mk VII . It was not successful and didn't run 2001-2002.

There was also the 2003 Falcon Indy 01A but I don't think it ever ran.

[Rainer Nyberg]

I can add the different Riley & Scott Mk V chassis, five or six cars were built:

Chassis - Car Owner - Team - Driver - Notes
001 - Tom Kelley - Kelley Racing - Mark Dismore - Displayed at Charlotte in July ’97.
002 - PDM Racing - PDM Racing - John Paul, Jr.
003 - Stan Wattles - Metro Racing Systems - Stan Wattles - Raced by Wattles during ’97-’99.
004 - Bob Nienhouse - Nienhouse Motorsports - Mike Shank - Raced by Shank at Las Vegas ’97.
005 - Tom Kelley - Kelley Racing - TBD
006 - Gary Peterson - Intercar Motorsports - Gary Peterson - Ordered but probably never built.
007 - TBA - Ordered but probably never built.
008 - TBA - Ordered but probably never built.
009 - TBA - Ordered but probably never built.

[brickyard]

Thank you all.

I'm going on vacations for a week or two

Regards

[brickyard]

Hi,

I'm back with this thread, as I wonder how thi thing will be sorted out:

if the 1997 car was called IR7 and the following kits renamed the cars IR8 for 1998 and IR9 for 1999, how should we call the 2007, 2008 and 2009 cars? I saw on the Andretti Green Racing media kit that the car is called IR7. now, i'm very confused...

Thanks
Luis

[brickyard]

I've found on the Dallara site (at the Wind Tunnel section) that the chassis were named from 1997 to 2005 IR7, IR8, IR9, IR0, IR1, IR2, IR3, IR4 and IR5. And this last one seems to be the car in use today.

[Project Indy]

This is a Riley&Scott MKV of 1998 with Eliseo Salazar.




The Falcon chasis Indycar

[Old_school]

That Falcon chassis is quite the looker.To be honest i've never heard of them and Google shows up very little regarding this manufacturer. Whatever happened to them ? Was it a poor chassis ?

Thank you for the pics.

[Henri Greuter]

Originally posted by Old_school
That Falcon chassis is quite the looker.To be honest i've never heard of them and Google shows up very little regarding this manufacturer. Whatever happened to them ? Was it a poor chassis ?

Thank you for the pics.

Falcon was nominated the third allowed chassis builder in addition to Panoz and Dallara. IRL rules allowed for only three brands of chassis available. Lola was another eager supplier willing to built cars. And of course an American company
I never could shake off the feeling that, despite all the shaky backgrounds of Falcon, the American image as well as the connections of Lola being committed to CART as well were reasons enough to nominate Falcon instead of Lola.

Did you know that Penske was also willing to built IRL cars at one time? But given the fact that in the past, customer Penskes rarely were the latest car available (to the factory team) as well as the fact that there would be a factory team as well.....

From what I've understood, the Falcon company was simply not up to the job against Panoz and Dallara, being a newcomer in the business and out of business rather soon.



Henri

[Old_school]

Thank you Henri.

Now that you mention Falcon being chosen over Lola, with the current situation i hope there will at least be one or two other manufacturer coming in to level out the Dallara chassis domination.

Somewhat off topic but I've always had the theory that if a car of any Formula is attractive enough it will draw people,the current Dallara is somewhat of an odd looking beast.

[petefenelon]

I can only see the next IRL regs (due next year, IIRC?) mandating a car that's more like the Champcar Panoz DP-01 - with the increasing emphasis on road and street circuits a big oval-oriented bruiser like the Dallara is the Wrong Thing. (And for what it's worth I thought the DP-01 was a stunner - although I've loved the look of Champcars since the 80s...). I've always felt the IRL cars were a bit too chunky, a bit too 'sit up and beg' in their lines.

Still, ugly cars are no barrier to public acceptance of a series. Hell, look at F1 these days. Somewhere under all the sticky out bits and assorted aero warts, blemishes and protruberances there may be attractive cars - I suppose we'll see next year.

[Doug Nye]

Don't hold your breath Pete. Less cluttered, certainly, but from some pilot sketches I have seen not necessarily attractive...

DCN

[Rockford]

It would be nice to think that we may see some varying interpretations of the F1 rules for next season, at least. How about posting a sketch of a pilot sketch for us!

[Rainer Nyberg]

Originally posted by Old_school
Was it a poor chassis ?

I think we never will know. I might be mistaken but to my knowledge the Falcon Indy 01-A never ran a single yard on a race track.

Henri, while the company was set up only in 2002, it was't any nobodys running the company.

Falcon Cars was the brainchild of Michael Kranefuss (ex head of Ford's worldwide racing, directing race- and championship-winning programs in Formula 1, CART, World Rally and international sports cars, and owner of NASCAR Winston Cup and Busch Grand National teams) and Ken Anderson (ex Penske-, Ligier-, Onyx-, Chip Ganassi-, AJ Foyt-, Bettenhausen-, Robby Gordon- engineer, and he also designed the '97 G-Force GF01 IRL chassis)

Two teams showed interest in the Falcon chassis, Hemelgarn Racing and Access Motorsport who paid deposit for a second chassis.

[Henri Greuter]

Originally posted by Rainer Nyberg


I think we never will know. I might be mistaken but to my knowledge the Falcon Indy 01-A never ran a single yard on a race track.

Henri, while the company was set up only in 2002, it was't any nobodys running the company.

Falcon Cars was the brainchild of Michael Kranefuss (ex head of Ford's worldwide racing, directing race- and championship-winning programs in Formula 1, CART, World Rally and international sports cars, and owner of NASCAR Winston Cup and Busch Grand National teams) and Ken Anderson (ex Penske-, Ligier-, Onyx-, Chip Ganassi-, AJ Foyt-, Bettenhausen-, Robby Gordon- engineer, and he also designed the '97 G-Force GF01 IRL chassis)

Two teams showed interest in the Falcon chassis, Hemelgarn Racing and Access Motorsport who paid deposit for a second chassis.

I knew about Kranesfuss involved and if it appeared as if I said that nobody's ran the company, then I must apologize because that wasn't the intention.
But at the time it was a fairly new company, not that much indepth strength and facilities available aready and at a disadvantage compared with Dallara and Panoz and maybe even with Riley&Scott, let alone Lola.


Henri

[brickyard]

BTW, does anyone have the Dallara's chassis log?

[DallaraFan]

BTW, does anyone have the Dallara's chassis log?

Bump. I have a couple Ganassi chassis numbers. If anybody has any other 2003 and newer Dallara numbers, please post them!

Thanks!

[heidegger75]

Bump. I have a couple Ganassi chassis numbers. If anybody has any other 2003 and newer Dallara numbers, please post them!

Thanks!

If I recall correctly, Chip Ganassi bought the first 6 chassis off the line in 2006, after running the G-Force exclusively in 2005.

Graham Rahal won at St. Petersburg in 2008 with the first new chassis produced that year. Probably best to call it "IR3 08-1".

For 2009, Tony Kanaan began to use 09-1 at Kentucky, and it is believed that he raced that car at all remaining ovals in 2009.
Sarah Fisher received 09-2 in August, and raced it at Homestead. It's probably the same car Rahal drove in early 2010 as well.

[heidegger75]

Two chassis that ended up with Conquest Racing: IR4-4 and IR8-7 were up for auction on Ebay recently.

I can also add that Chip Ganassi bought IR8-11.

Also came across a list of the original 1997 chassis at http://www.motorspor...sis-allotments/

Dallara IR7:
1. A.J. Foyt Enterprises
2. Team Scandia
3. Hemelgarn Racing
4. Pagan Racing
5. PDM Racing
6. Team Blueprint
7. A.J. Foyt Enterprises
8. Hemelgarn Racing
9. Team Blueprint
10. Lyn St. James
11. Arizona Racing Services
12. Pagan Racing
13. Team Scandia
14. Hemelgarn Racing

G-Force GF01:
1. Treadway Racing
2. Jonathan Byrd Racing
3. Team Menard
4. Bradley Motorsports
5. Della Penna Motorsports
6. Cunningham Racing
7. ABF Motorsports
8. Team A to be announced
9. Team Menard
10. Team Scandia
11. Team B to be announced
12. Gary Sallee
13. Bradley Motorsports
14. Treadway Racing
15. Team Menard

What I've been able to gather from various press releases and for-sale notices (this means what has been reported, but not necessarily confirmed):

GF01-030 was the backup car for Blueprint Racing at the 2000 Indy 500.
GF01-014 may have found its way to McCormack racing after the 1997 season, and would have been used by Raul Boesel, Jimmy Kite, and J.J. Yeley if the report is accurate.
(Based on the ads I've seen, the history of the two cars mentioned above may well have been confused at some point)
GF01-052 was produced in 1999, and was Robby Gordon's backup car for the 1999 Indy 500.

Dallara IR7-10 was driven by Jeff Ward during the 1999 season.
IR7-23 went to Kelley Racing in May 1997, and was driven my Mark Dismore through 1999.
IR0-014 went to Kelley Racing in December 1999 for the 2000 season.
IR0-028 was a Robbie Buhl/DRR car that may have wound up with Mo Nunn Racing at some point.
IR3-7 was the car that Dan Wheldon drove to victory in the 2011 Indy 500. His 2005 win came in IR5-7, which was driven by Marco Andretti in the 2006-2011 races.

And if we want to keep track going forward, here's what's known of the DW12 numbers so far:

5. Andretti Autosport
6. Panther Racing
7. Sam Schmidt
11. KV Racing
14. A.J. Foyt Racing
15. Michael Shank Racing
16. Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing
18. Dreyer & Reinbold Racing
20. Ed Carpenter Racing

These were in the first batch of 15 cars delivered in December 2011. Assuming that 1 was the original Indycar test car that Wheldon drove throughout 2011, 2-4 were the three manufacturer test cars, and chassis #13 was skipped over, then #s 5-20 would account for the original 15 deliveries.

16 or 17 more cars were delivered in January, and another 15 in February, which takes us up to chassis 46 or 47. Another shipment is due in mid-March.

Edited by heidegger75, 29 March 2012 - 05:10.