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[indyf1]

You can get them from this website:

www.usgpindy.com

Shawn

[Ivan]

hummmm
I got a letter in the mail from Michelin through IMS stating that within a month I was going to recieve tix based on the fact that I was at the race. They are using your ticket stubs as proof of admission. It also states not to use any other forms to get your refund or you will not get your tickets. It will happen automatically.

[Alonsoid]

Ivan. i got the same letter. So we just wait and they send us a check???

[Ivan]

Tix not a check, plus maybe bonus tix as well.

[GrandView]

Originally posted by Ivan
Tix not a check, plus maybe bonus tix as well.

"IMS and Michelin North America announced last Friday the details of the process that, subject to the following guidelines, will provide a face-value refund for all race day ticket holders to the 2005 Formula One United States Grand Prix. The ticket refund will be fully funded by Michelin and administered by IMS.

As an IMS Account Holder, you do not need to do anything to receive your race day ticket refund. You will receive an automatic ticket refund from Michelin."

Tix not a check?

I say check....not tix.

GV

[Dudley]

From what I'm seeing you need the form if you're not an "IMS account holder" whatever they are.

[Newtsche]

I believe account holders pre-ordered tickets. The refund forms are for people who bought from third parties or at the window the day of the "race".

[Ivan]

GV,
It is my understanding that because I am an Account Holder, that my next years race tix will be given to me without charge, READ, as refund. And that I possibly could also get a bonus ticket(s) as well because of the extra that Michelin has bought.
Why would they give me money back just for me to repay for next years tickets? EVERYONE would cry foul over that.

[GrandView]

Originally posted by Ivan
GV,
It is my understanding that because I am an Account Holder, that my next years race tix will be given to me without charge, READ, as refund. And that I possibly could also get a bonus ticket(s) as well because of the extra that Michelin has bought.

As an IMS account holder your 2005 race ticket price (Sunday only) will be refunded to you.

Michelin also paid for 20,000 2006 tickets. There is a possibility you may get a free 2006 USGP ticket in addition to your refund. IMS has not yet decided how they are going to deal with the free 2006 tickets.........or if in fact there will be a 2006 USGP.

In any event, you will receive your 2005 refund in September........unless you gave or sold ticket(s) to another party. In which case that party will likely send in the ticket stub for their refund. Your account will generate a refund minus any tickets on your account that have been presented for refund. That is the reason IMS accounts will not receive the refund until September. All the presented ticket stubs must be accounted for against IMS accounts.

Why would they give me money back just for me to repay for next years tickets? EVERYONE would cry foul over that.

The refund is coming from Michelin. They are refunding you for the poor quality race you attended in 2005. There are thousands of people who have no intention of ever viewing a Formula One event again. Present them with a ticket rather than money............and you will hear cries of "FOUL".


GV

[Dudley]

So, how many of you kept the stubs?

[ExcessIsBest]

The story on this site contradicts the info on the IMS web site and on the refund form that they provide. The story on Autosport/Atlas says that the IMS clarified today that IMS would only provide refunds to ticket stub holders. I believe that this story is in error and should be clarified ASAP since the deadline is looming.

Do I send in the stubs that I have or do I wait for my friend (who bought our block of tickets) to get his check?????

[jonpollak]

Wait,...it's around here somewhere....

edit_ : Found it...
only took me 20mins.

Funny thing is...at the bottom of the ticket it reads:
NO REFUND. IN THE EVENT OF POSTPONEMENT RETAIN THIS TICKET.
Jp

[330R]

I scanned the letter I received from "Michelin F1 Ticket Refund"

here: http://img355.images...msletter5yl.jpg

[ExcessIsBest]

Originally posted by 330R
I scanned the letter I received from "Michelin F1 Ticket Refund"

here: http://img355.images...msletter5yl.jpg

Thanks, I feel better now. I'll just let my friend apply the refund to the 2006 tickets (unless we get some of the 20,000 miracle tickets).

[330R]

Originally posted by ExcessIsBest


Thanks, I feel better now. I'll just let my friend apply the refund to the 2006 tickets (unless we get some of the 20,000 miracle tickets).

No problem. I wanted to try and clear up any confusion.

While at first I was pissed off about the whole fiasco, I have forgiven F1 and Michelin, and hope I can get my hands on one of those 2006 tickets if Indy is on the '06 calendar.

[rgsuspsa]

Originally posted by 330R


No problem. I wanted to try and clear up any confusion.

While at first I was pissed off about the whole fiasco, I have forgiven F1 and Michelin, and hope I can get my hands on one of those 2006 tickets if Indy is on the '06 calendar.

Indy 2006 might turn up on the F1 calendar, if existing economic arrangements which affect
IMS outweigh the economic impact on IMS of not holding the 2006 F1 race, which is the
final race contracted for between IMS and F1 Management.

Having savored the public's aftertaste of F1 at Indy 2005, and the year by year decline in spectator attendance at Indy for F1 races, my expectation is the 2006 race, if held, will be the final F1 race held at Indy in the foreseeable future.

Refunds for 2005 are commendable, but in the final analysis the overall unpleasantness left
with race goers, and the U.S. racing audience in general is, yes F1 can be exciting, but its
drawbacks outweigh other sporting and entertainment alternatives.

Lacking an alternate U.S. venue where F1 has the potential to be exhilirating to view, F1 races in the U.S. beyond 2006 are at best dubious. Until the next generation of racing fans replaces those who witnessed U.S. GP 2005, I expect another country to replace the U.S. GP, which might
be a good result for those with vested interests.

rgsuspsa

[ScottL]

Originally posted by 330R
I scanned the letter I received from "Michelin F1 Ticket Refund"

here: http://img355.images...msletter5yl.jpg

I have the same letter. The question still stands: does the announcement published by Atlas/Autosport supersede the terms of the letter?

If so, I have to send my stubs in regardless of the statement from Michelin that IMS account holders don't have to act in order to receive the refund.

Atlas/Autosport should check this out and clarify the article.

[GrandView]

Originally posted by ScottL


If so, I have to send my stubs in regardless of the statement from Michelin that IMS account holders don't have to act in order to receive the refund.

Atlas/Autosport should check this out and clarify the article.

I'm not sure why there should be any confusion. If you are an account holder with IMS, you have a block of tickets.....identified by section and seat.....in your account. Come September 19th, your refund will be generated from that block of tickets......minus any stubs for seats in your block that have previously been submitted independently for refund.

The purpose for the ticket stub refund is to insure that people who actually attended......rather than the broker or purchaser......would receive a refund.

I suppose you could submit your stubs now and receive refund in that manner, in which case the process on September 19 will deduct those refunds from your account. The effort to do so isn't necessary, however.

GV

[ExcessIsBest]

Originally posted by rgsuspsa


Indy 2006 might turn up on the F1 calendar, if existing economic arrangements which affect
IMS outweigh the economic impact on IMS of not holding the 2006 F1 race, which is the
final race contracted for between IMS and F1 Management.

Having savored the public's aftertaste of F1 at Indy 2005, and the year by year decline in spectator attendance at Indy for F1 races, my expectation is the 2006 race, if held, will be the final F1 race held at Indy in the foreseeable future.

Refunds for 2005 are commendable, but in the final analysis the overall unpleasantness left
with race goers, and the U.S. racing audience in general is, yes F1 can be exciting, but its
drawbacks outweigh other sporting and entertainment alternatives.

Lacking an alternate U.S. venue where F1 has the potential to be exhilirating to view, F1 races in the U.S. beyond 2006 are at best dubious. Until the next generation of racing fans replaces those who witnessed U.S. GP 2005, I expect another country to replace the U.S. GP, which might
be a good result for those with vested interests.

rgsuspsa

It took me a long time to get over my anger at the "Ugly Seven" when they ran the formation lap and then shoved it up the fan's ****ses so arrogantly - okay, I still have some residual anger - but it won't keep me from going to future races, wherever they are. However, I'm a fanatic in around the 95th percentile, compared to most attendees.

I'll be very interested to see if the race persists at Indy. I don't think proffit has ever been a major part of Tony's motivation; he needs to have a round of the WC at his track to enhance the legend (and his ego). It remains to be seen if it's worth a $10M or so loss to him each year. He can afford to sustain that for a long time as a hobby.

Personally, I don't care if only 20k people show up for the F1 race in Indy, the worldwide TV audience will assure that it makes sense to the teams. As the tea-taxing monarchists say, "the right crowd and no crowding".