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[skinnylizard]

so now tht the circle jerk has quietened down. can someone tell me bout how the three drive and which one works the best or is best on the equipment vs what is more modern what is an old school approach etc

[Pep]

Originally posted by skinnylizard
so now tht the circle jerk has quietened down. can someone tell me bout how the three drive and which one works the best or is best on the equipment vs what is more modern what is an old school approach etc

Someone has already talked about it. There's a very interesting thread titled Alonso's driving style: http://forums.atlasf...o driving style

You can read also there some things about other drivers.

And about Kimi and Montoya, they've already talked here (F1 Racing and all that)

[Naushad78]

Originally posted by race addicted
Quickest over one lap, Räikkönen by far, then Alonso I'd say, then Montoya. Alonso's style is very different from all the others, as he's extremely brutal on turn-in (something I thought he wouldn't be able to do this year), but it works. Montoya and Räikkönen are more convential, or even old-shool in the racing lines they sculpture, perhaps Montoya more so than Räikkönen. More often than not, he's braking in a straight line only, leaving turn-in relatively late.

You can't just quickest over one lap on this qualifying system. Give them low fuel, fresh tyres, 4 runs each and then we'll see.

[Rade]

Originally posted by d_view7
Infact Kimi is the only driver to win 2 double victories with the same engine.

Err, Alonso in San Marino?

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by karlth
Read Hughes' article, it is in this week's Autosport.

I rather read laptimes than biased columns. You can do wonders with words but the facts are there behind in numbers.

[Arrow]

Originally posted by micra_k10

I rather read laptimes than biased columns. You can do wonders with words but the facts are there behind in numbers.

That may have been true when qualifying was fair. Its no longer fair so numbers can be very misleading.

[peroa]

Originally posted by Arrow

That may have been true when qualifying was fair. Its no longer fair so numbers can be very misleading.

What exactly is unfair?

[d_view7]

Originally posted by Rade


Err, Alonso in San Marino?

And the second double victory is?

[rfus]

Originally posted by peroa


What exactly is unfair?

Probably any facet of modern formula 1 that is letting Kimi beat Monty (ie. everything but the 10 place grid penalty) is unfair

[Rade]

Originally posted by d_view7


And the second double victory is?

That's the second, the first victory was the previous race in Bahrain

[peroa]

Originally posted by Rade


That's the second, the first victory was the previous race in Bahrain

Double victory is Bahrain and Imola.

Kimi had 2 double victories.;)

[peroa]

Originally posted by rfus


Probably any facet of modern formula 1 that is letting Kimi beat Monty (ie. everything but the 10 place grid penalty) is unfair

I know, but I would like an answer from him and I am still waiting.

[karlth]

Originally posted by micra_k10

I rather read laptimes than biased columns. You can do wonders with words but the facts are there behind in numbers.

Laptimes don't tell the whole story. Tyre compounds, fuel levels, qualifying position, etc all have a major effect on the actual pace.

[vaavu]

Originally posted by karlth

It isn't as simple as that. The only qualifying sessions he considers to have been won by either driver is Nurburgring for Raikkonen and Montreal for Montoya.

Others being too close to call.

So Monza was too close to call? On what basis?

[Rade]

Originally posted by peroa


Double victory is Bahrain and Imola.

Kimi had 2 double victories.;)

Ok sorry, I don't understand well the sentence

[karlth]

Originally posted by vaavu


So Monza was too close to call? On what basis?

Hughes' article was written before Monza.

[man from martinlaakso]

Armonico, you wrote :"Kimi didn't look like a rocket in the three first races of the year, did he?"


Like you very well know, the main problem in the beginning of the season in Mac's case was the fact, that the front tyres could not be heated enough during just one warm-up lap. That caused a serious lack of grip. In the practises that was not a major proble, because the driver could make 5-8 laps stint and get a relatively good time at the end. But in the qualifyings the problem was a massive one. All the Mac drivers underperfomed during the first three qualifyings, not just Kimi. Usually the time gap to the pole man was about 2 seconds. But the conditions were against the Mac drivers. After the car weight balance was moved a bit front, and changed to extra-soft compounds in the tyres (Mac could use them, because it is so kind to the tyres), the problem dissappeared.

[armonico]

Originally posted by man from martinlaakso
Armonico, you wrote :"Kimi didn't look like a rocket in the three first races of the year, did he?"


Like you very well know, the main problem in the beginning of the season in Mac's case was the fact, that the front tyres could not be heated enough during just one warm-up lap. That caused a serious lack of grip. In the practises that was not a major proble, because the driver could make 5-8 laps stint and get a relatively good time at the end. But in the qualifyings the problem was a massive one. All the Mac drivers underperfomed during the first three qualifyings, not just Kimi. Usually the time gap to the pole man was about 2 seconds. But the conditions were against the Mac drivers. After the car weight balance was moved a bit front, and changed to extra-soft compounds in the tyres (Mac could use them, because it is so kind to the tyres), the problem dissappeared.

It was answering especificaly to this:

Originally posted by race addicted

Quickest over one lap, Räikkönen by far,

My ironical reply was to expalin that when Kimi had a no so performant car at the begining of the season, although quicker than the other macs drivers, he was in the middle of the grid more and less. Alonso was at that time the fastest. Why? Becasue he has the fastest car.

Your answer is spot on and I totally agree with that. You should have added that Kimi is making the most of the MP20-4 at the moment. He is extracting more performance than Montoya. But that, IMO, doesn't mean he is the fastest per se (as Race addicted and others are preaching here time and time again)