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#1 WANG

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 13:46

As every day passes it looks like ChampCar is not only here to stay but is clearly taking center stage in American Open Wheel racing. Their direction appears to solidly focused on moving forward towards a direction of growth - one that excludes unification and the Indy500 from the overal equation.

This is good because we have seen far too many attempts to unify American motorsports fail at the door of Tony George which the general press now view as the major hurdle in bringing back American OW racing to anything which resembles her former glory. Now that the leadership of ChampCar has finally laid to rest any future with the track or it's owner, we can finally move on with a new approach which may or may not work but seems to be having a good impact on the track at places like Denver, Edmonton and many others.

Team sponsors are coming in - but in a sort of new manner. While some teams have managed to pick up full sponsorship, many teams are lining up local (but large) sponsors for 1 -3 races and then moving on to new sponsors for other events. And while it sounds like a real pain in the ass it's certainly better then no sponsorship at all.

All the events are finding major sponsorship and thus far the crowd totals have surpassed 1.5 million which is right on target. And although ratings are still in the shitter, it is a pressing issue which ChampCar's new Management (former SCCA President Johnson) is dealing with aggressively.

New ChampCar President speaks.

Some bits:

- 35+ Entries for the Atlantic Series (ChampCar ladder).
- $2 million purse for Atlantic Champion.
- New Chassis out in 2 weeks (supposedly more nibble, lighter and slightly less wide).
- TV package TBA shortly - rumor is more major coverage.
- Two new ChampCar TV Shows - ChampCar Garage (SPEED/Mondays) & Race Car Driver (WGN Superstation/Wednesdays) and features Paul Tracy and the Forsythe team as they travel to each race. The latter is the best by far and really gets into the technical side of setting up the cars and running the team.

- Justin Wilson signed for 06 link

- Management/Ownership changes @ Road America may bring ChampCar back.

- EuroInternational (2 car team) returing in 2006.

- Lexmark renews ChampCar Surfurs Paradise through 2008 link

- Two new Atlantic Teams announced late last week including American Richie Hearn (former Atlantic Champ and ChampCar driver). Both teams will field two cars each.

Also on the blocks:

- RedBull possibly heading to Title Sponsor of thee Atlantic and/or major sponsor for the RuSport Team (they already sponsor American AJ Almendinger). There is also rumors on the same front which have them departing the IRL Cheever racing team (which they are the major sponsor of).

Dr Helmut Marko, godfather of Red Bull's racing programs around the world. Former F1 driver Marko oversees the European race team aspects of Danny Sullivan's Red Bull F1 driver search program and is a key consultant to Red Bull in determining their racing sponsorships. I talked to Dr Marko in Denver after he completed a meeting with Kevin Kalkhoven and Dick Eidswick.

"The Champ Car World Series is a great series," Dr Marko asserted. "There's a lot of excitement around the series. The crowds are looking good and the atmosphere around the series is really exciting. We like the atmosphere and the direction the series is heading. It's a much more exciting and attractive environment for us than some other racing series, including Formula 1. The ambience around the series and the way the fans are treated and embraced is what we like to see. You can be sure you will see us doing some very good things in this series."



http://www.champcarw...cle.asp?ID=9558

- Many IRL drivers are looking towards other opportunities...
http://www.speedtv.c...adracing/19604/

- Possibly a Twin Turbo V-8 for ChampCar in 2007.

- ChampCar leadership may finally approach the IRL's poaching of teams, drivers and venues with legal action link ***It's about time on this one.

- 07 may see multiple manufactures for the chassis (which may drive the price down even further). Both Panoz and Dallara have expressed interest along with Lola which is distributed by ChampCar team owner Carl Haas in America.

- Possibly a 3 car team for Newman/Haas.

- Eric Jenson's Team Canada possibly returning (1 car effort). Rumor the Atlantic deal is done for 2 cars already.

- Bobby Rahal has ordered 1 chassis for Atlantic next year for his son Graham Rahal and Mario Andretti is publically suggesting that Michael Andretti do the same for his son Maco who is currently in the IRL ladder series known as IPS (Infinity Pro Series). IPS BTW is in the crapper this year and may not even be around for 06 so unless Andretti moves Marco to SportsCars or the NASCAR ranks, I would expect Marco to be in Atlantics as well.

Things are looking up for ChampCar it would seem. Heck even if you hate the series you cannot deny that Atlantics should be awesome in 2006.

All they need now is a few ovals and some of those road courses back :)

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#2 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 13:50

Its all nice, but it will be nicer if and when it happens. Just the facts ma'am.

#3 WANG

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 14:15

USA Today Article as well - link

#4 molive

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 15:53

Originally posted by WANG


- Possibly a 3 car team for Newman/Haas.



I hope that means Da Matta back to a top seat! :up:

#5 benn5325

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 16:14

An awful lot of IF, MAYBE, POSSIBLY, MIGHT in there.

It's all really the same thing we've been hearing for the last year or so.

#6 Sakae

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 16:21

They surely getting a bang out of free publicity by making promises which may or may not become reality. Something like 1000BH Honda' engine.

#7 WANG

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 17:54

Originally posted by benn5325
An awful lot of IF, MAYBE, POSSIBLY, MIGHT in there.

It's all really the same thing we've been hearing for the last year or so.


There are no if's regarding the Atlantic news, EuroInternational, a new chassis and a schedule that is already out (way earlier then before) and most importantly all the teams and organization seem to be on "the same page". No more discussion regarding Tony George and Indy and more sponsors such as Lexmark.

None of that is speculation.

#8 WANG

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 17:55

Originally posted by molive



I hope that means Da Matta back to a top seat! :up:


I think they are making room for Servia actually.

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 22:26

What's this show all about?
It's got the kids in a flap over on SPEED
http://insider.speed...pic.php?t=98585

Hope we can get it in Blighty..
Jp

#10 ivanalesi

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Posted 22 September 2005 - 11:40

It seems that the intrafamily battle for Marco goes on and on;)

#11 WANG

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Posted 22 September 2005 - 12:21

Originally posted by jonpollak
What's this show all about?
It's got the kids in a flap over on SPEED
http://insider.speed...pic.php?t=98585

Hope we can get it in Blighty..
Jp


It's an okay show - sort of fluffy if you know what I mean. I think most people in the F1 world (fans) would drool over an F1 like show which resembles "Race Car Driver". It really gets into the operational and technical side of running a team. It also focuses on the driver/engineer relationship and how they set up cars at various tracks.

Very technical, well narrated and exciting. By far this is the better of the two.

#12 molive

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Posted 22 September 2005 - 12:31

Originally posted by WANG


I think they are making room for Servia actually.


well, lets see. I hope they at least try to fit CDM in the team, as I'm sure Bourdais would be in for a rude awakening...;)

#13 WANG

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Posted 22 September 2005 - 13:42

PKV nabbed up a new race engineer this year and the team is doing better. I would think with the cash that Kevin Kalkoven is throwing around that he'd atleast put some decent cash into his own operation during this off season.

I am hoping for a few good fights between PKV, Forsythe and Newman Haas. Heck I think even RuSport may be a bit racy next season.

Again - if we could only get Road America, Mid-Ohio and 2 ovals on the schedule we'd be solid.

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Posted 22 September 2005 - 14:37

i do think it is way too early to tell how this will all end up, but i will admit i was one of the first to rubbish what champ car had turned into. I would still much rather see a unified american open wheel series, but i have gotten used to the fact i am just going to be wathing two for a very long time yet. However, the last 2 or 3 champ car races have had something special about them, something that reminded me of the old champ car of 98/99.

#15 molive

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Posted 22 September 2005 - 15:09

Originally posted by Mat
I would still much rather see a unified american open wheel series...



The simple fact that Champcar racing is still alive and kicking, makes me very happy as a fan of the sport.

As for unification, I think it had its chance to happen, and its past. Now, only if IRL folds (or comes to terms with their idiosincracies) will NA OW ever be back to where it was in the late 80s early 90s period (when I actually enjoyed it as much as F1, if not more).

#16 WANG

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Posted 22 September 2005 - 18:31

Just a reminder ----> Race Director is free this weekend for the Las Vegas Oval. You can watch qualifying and the race on line - 6 different views!

:) Click here and scroll down to "Race Director"

#17 SKL

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 03:46

Champ Car definitely feels "better" this year, but I don't think RA is back anytime soon. It is stockholder owned so I don't see an ownership change anytime soon. And George B (can't spell his last name correctly so I won't try) I believe unfortunately has another year on his contract. Would sure have preferred RA to San Jose, but then I've been going to RA since the late 60's and missed having the champ car boys there this summer...

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 05:08

If I were the Three Amigos, I'd buy Road America in order to secure a race there.

And if I were them, I'd go a step further and revamp the entire track up to FIA standards and "steal" the USGP right from under Tony George's nose once their contract end up next year.

#19 WANG

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 12:48

Originally posted by Slyder
If I were the Three Amigos, I'd buy Road America in order to secure a race there.

And if I were them, I'd go a step further and revamp the entire track up to FIA standards and "steal" the USGP right from under Tony George's nose once their contract end up next year.


Only problem with that (f1 & RA) is that there is no slid industry for F1 in the area. They need hotels, casinos, fancy places to eat and so on.

RA is basically in the middle of no where.

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#20 Slyder

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 14:58

Originally posted by WANG


Only problem with that (f1 & RA) is that there is no slid industry for F1 in the area. They need hotels, casinos, fancy places to eat and so on.

RA is basically in the middle of no where.


the least they could do is pave the roads and put a couple of motels beside the highways. Then get the city people to cooperate with each other and have a blast businesswise.

Same way like they do it at Spa. It's a community event; the same can be done at RA.

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 19:04

Well all I can say is that ColdHeart aka Wilke :wave: hasnt shown his face in this thread telling us that Champcar will soon go bankrupt or loose more races or teams....

if that doesnt prove once and for all that Champcar is moving forward....

I dont know what does hehe

#22 WANG

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 20:29

Originally posted by PilgrimsDrop
Well all I can say is that ColdHeart aka Wilke :wave: hasnt shown his face in this thread telling us that Champcar will soon go bankrupt or loose more races or teams....

if that doesnt prove once and for all that Champcar is moving forward....

I dont know what does hehe


I think he and the IRL have their own mess to worry at this point:

http://www.indystar..../509230545/1052

http://www.speedtv.c.../indycar/19736/

And it looks like some of the oval-centric folks are not happy about the new MIPS schedule (MIPS being the ladder series.

Twelve races: six ovals and six road courses. "We've aggressively increased the number of road-course races to appeal to an even greater number of young, talented drivers," sez Roger Bailey.

Homestead
St. Pete
St. Pete
Indy
Watkins Glen
Indy roval
Nashville
Milwaukee
Kentucky
Sears Point
Sears Point
Chicagoland

#23 Slyder

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 01:19

Originally posted by PilgrimsDrop
Well all I can say is that ColdHeart aka Wilke :wave: hasnt shown his face in this thread telling us that Champcar will soon go bankrupt or loose more races or teams....

if that doesnt prove once and for all that Champcar is moving forward....

I dont know what does hehe


I'd love to hear his take on the IRL schedule. The dunderhead would think as well as McG and ICR that it's the best thing since sliced bread. :rolleyes:

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 02:34

The rise of the phoenix (i.e. Champcar) makes me quite happy. Expect more positive developments in the coming weeks and months:

Philadelphia race on July 4th weekend.
Beijing, China race perhaps.
RedBull involvement.

This series has taken off. It will regain its vibrance within a few years (sponsors, tv ratigns, car counts, news coverage). It sure will be fun to watch. Hopefully they pickup Road America, Lausitzring, and some other Euro track.

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 01:34

No Korea for the second straight year.
No Beijing.
Philly looks very doubtful.
Nothing from Red Bull.

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 01:52

Originally posted by ColdHeart
No Korea for the second straight year.
No Beijing.
Philly looks very doubtful.
Nothing from Red Bull.

:p back from vacation. :kiss:

#27 Slyder

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:52

Originally posted by ColdHeart
No Korea for the second straight year.
No Beijing.
Philly looks very doubtful.
Nothing from Red Bull.


Montreal got canned
Chevy is quitting
Toyota will quit next year if not sooner
Honda likely to quit
Red Bull to pull out from Cheever
Ganassi likely to pull out.
California out
Pikes Peak out
Phoenix out
The Glen after Indy

:rolleyes:

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 03:05

Originally posted by WANG

- Many IRL drivers are looking towards other opportunities...
http://www.speedtv.c...adracing/19604/


Wouldn't it be something if ChampCar and the IRL spent 10 years fighting each other, only to be taken out by A1GP? :rolleyes:

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 03:16

Originally posted by WANG

- Possibly a Twin Turbo V-8 for ChampCar in 2007.


Where did you hear that one?

According to this article by Robin Miller, Honda has approached ChampCar about returning with the 3.0L N/A motor that was SUPPOSED to be the new spec for the IRL. Apparently Honda and Cosworth both already have these motors on the drawing boards (or further). However, Champcar is worried about Honda's history of cost containment (or lack thereof).

http://www.champcarw...cle.asp?ID=9706

It also says that Chip Ganassi isn't happy with the IRL and still has a Champ Car Lola chassis. He may, at least, run his IRL drivers in a couple of ChampCar events next year (if not more). According to the article, this isn't a "rumor", but was told to Robin by Ganassi himself.


Elsewhere on the ChampCar site, Gordon Kirby makes a good argument about dropping ovals completely, not adding more.

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 04:07

No one has a definitive date on the new chassis or any other tasty tidbits do they? Over this season I have been geting more and more fired up. :clap: Champcar needs a couple more American drivers to mix in with the Euros and the border nations and it will be a great nations point fight. Also added interest to who trains the better drivers.

#31 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 04:37

CART isnt getting better when a guy like Bjorn Wirdheim gets bought out of his ride.

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 13:33

Originally posted by Slyder
Montreal got canned
Chevy is quitting
Toyota will quit next year if not sooner
Honda likely to quit
Red Bull to pull out from Cheever
Ganassi likely to pull out.
California out
Pikes Peak out
Phoenix out
The Glen after Indy

:rolleyes:

That's OK, he also doubted that the series would survive, and he doubted that Kalkhoven and Forsythe had the resources to purchase Cosworth. Might as well start looking for hotels in Philly now. :p

#33 Slyder

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 16:05

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
CART isnt getting better when a guy like Bjorn Wirdheim gets bought out of his ride.


I do agree with that, though it's angering that nobody from Europe or Sweden isn't giving this guy any major help.

#34 angst

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Posted 30 September 2005 - 20:21

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
CART isnt getting better when a guy like Bjorn Wirdheim gets bought out of his ride.


Which, by extrapolation, says a lot about F1.

#35 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 04:40

er how

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 07:46

Originally posted by WANG


- Many IRL drivers are looking towards other opportunities...
http://www.speedtv.c...adracing/19604/


A1 GP is a winter 'world cup' series where drivers can take part in just a selection of races representing their nationailty. A team can switch their drivers during the race weekend. Only the first couple and last few races of the A1GP season clash with IRL, anyway. It's hardly a sign that IRL drivers are looking for drives elsewhere but just some fun during the winter months. Paul Tracy was approached to drive a few races in A1GP for the Canadian team.

Seems to me some people are looking for as much positive in Champcar as possible, and eveything negative in the IRL, to the point of clutching at straws.

The first thing champcar need to sort out is their TV deals. To show a champcar race tape delayed by one day, and then for it to clash with the live IRL race, just seems stupid. I still haven't got around to watching the champ car race I recorded while watching the IRL race, and probably never will as I knew the result anyway.

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 11:33

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
er how


Because it can very reasonably be argued that he was bought out of his drive in F1.