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[stardust]

Alonso is accused to be a employee and Kimi an "iceman" that never makes mistakes.

Today and otehr times Alonso and Renault showed their muscles and kimi went under pressure.
Third error of the season for the finn (wrong brake in nurburgring and error in monza), only one for the spaniard in Canada.

It's 12-13 years that a driver don't win with the car that isn't the best on the grid.

I really think that the real iceman is Alonso.

[Captain Cranckcase]

He's called the Iceman because he's Finish basically and it's cold there and they're cold people who display no emotion. He has never really proved he is particularly great under pressure yet. Hakkinen was also called the Iceman, basically cos he displayed little emotion as well, even though he cried once. Neither were 'Icemen' IMO, not that they aren't great drivers, it's just a stupid nickname like calling Sato Kamikaze or something cos of where he's from.

[peroa]

Originally posted by stardust
Alonso is accused to be a employee and Kimi an "iceman" that never makes mistakes.

Today and otehr times Alonso and Renault showed their muscles and kimi went under pressure.
Third error of the season for the finn (wrong brake in nurburgring and error in monza), only one for the spaniard in Canada.

It's 12-13 years that a driver don't win with the car that isn't the best on the grid.

I really think that the real iceman is Alonso.

Hungary Q wasn` that good for ALonso?;)

[sek]

Originally posted by Captain Cranckcase
He's called the Iceman because he's Finish basically and it's cold there and they're cold people who display no emotion.

Ok, It's quite fair to say that most of us finns don't show too much emotions.

But finns are cold people? Compared to what?

Heh, have you never been in Finland?

[WHITE]

I thoght Raikonenn was cold " iceman " for his attachment to " whiskey on the rocks " :

This seems to be the only "ice" that matches him.

[sek]

Originally posted by peroa



Hungary Q wasn` that good for ALonso?;)

Or Canada or 2004.

[Antonio]

Originally posted by sek


Or Canada or 2004.

Come on guys, 2004 was not a bad year for Alonso, honestly. This bashing is getting stupid

[Antonio]

Originally posted by Captain Cranckcase
He's called the Iceman because he's Finish basically and it's cold there and they're cold people who display no emotion. He has never really proved he is particularly great under pressure yet. Hakkinen was also called the Iceman, basically cos he displayed little emotion as well, even though he cried once. Neither were 'Icemen' IMO, not that they aren't great drivers, it's just a stupid nickname like calling Sato Kamikaze or something cos of where he's from.

I agree. The press like creating this "nicknames" to play with, pure nonsense

[sek]

Originally posted by Antonio



Come on guys, 2004 was not a bad year for Alonso, honestly. This bashing is getting stupid

Well, what can you expect in a thread like this?

[Menace]

Originally posted by Antonio



... honestly. This bashing is getting stupid

Yes it is. From both sides (que thread starter).

[Menace]

Originally posted by Antonio


I agree.

So you too have visited Finland and determined Finns are "cold people"?

[MortenF1]

Is called Iceman because normally makes never mistakes.

[Antonio]

Originally posted by Menace


So you too have visited Finland and determined Finns are "cold people"?

No no no, I agree with the fact that Iceman has its origin in Kimi's nationality and stereotypes, but not in reality. By the way, I'd love to visit Finland, I am sure Finnish are keen to prove Chirac wrong concerning food

[WHITE]

Originally posted by race addicted
Is called Iceman because normally makes never mistakes.

Only the strictly necessary ones to allow Alonso to win the championship.

[Antonio]

Originally posted by race addicted
Is called Iceman because normally makes never mistakes.

pure nonsense, he makes mistakes, as everybody does. More or les than the opposition I don't know, but the difference does not justify the nickname, that's for sure.

By the way, congrats for most of your posts

[Antonio]

Originally posted by WHITE



Only the strictly necessary ones to allow Alonso to win the championship.

hahaha, funny quote full of irony. However, I would say the biggest help came from Montoya ;)

[Antonio]

Originally posted by sek


Well, what can you expect in a thread like this?

sth l always look for, different ideas in different reasonings and points of view, not bashing

[xype]

Is "iceman" because come from north and legs are cold in bed.;)

I think the nickname "iceman" has more to do with him being a Finn than anything else.

[MortenF1]

Originally posted by Antonio


pure nonsense, he makes mistakes, as everybody does. More or les than the opposition I don't know, but the difference does not justify the nickname, that's for sure.

By the way, congrats for most of your posts

Thanks.

But really, my post was a meant as a joke (look at that sentence!), though at the same time it's serious. Kimi Räikkönen is unfazed by pressure, he doesn't make many mistakes at all. This will be rejected by those who see it fit; but I don't think he locked up because he felt pressure today. It was just a mistake. And bad timing.

[ECR]

Originally posted by stardust
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It's 12-13 years that a driver don't win with the car that isn't the best on the grid.

I really think that the real iceman is Alonso.

I don't know how anybody, including Alonso, can claim with a straight face that he will win aith a car that is not the best in the grid. Which car was the best in the grid this year. The Mc Laren that broke down every other race? This is ridiculous. And the worst is that we will hear for years to come how Alonso won without having the best car.

[Antonio]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by xype
Is "iceman" because come from north and legs are cold in bed.;)

I think the nickname "iceman" has more to do with him being a Finn than anything else. /QUOTE]

By the way, did anyone noticed his facial expression while speaking in press conferences? he barely moves any muscle in his face, stone-like expression.

[Antonio]

Originally posted by ECR


I don't know how anybody, including Alonso, can claim with a straight face that he will win aith a car that is not the best in the grid. Which car was the best in the grid this year. The Mc Laren that broke down every other race? This is ridiculous. And the worst is that we will hear for years to come how Alonso won without having the best car.

source of Alonso's claim, please?

[jokuvaan]

Emotionally he is very cool, but being cool doesnt always mean less errors. He is also far far less worried about things that could go wrong and drives more limit because of that.

He got the Iceman nick because he was very young person in F1 who acted like he didnt have any nerves. He was unique.

[monto]

Kimi's origin -> Finland -> it's cold there -> Iceman


Certainly not for not making mistakes, specially under pressure the "Iceman" tends to melt as we saw at Monza and now in Interlagos.

Alonso would be more Iceman than Kimi if it was meant for constitancy and keeping coolness under pressure...

[Antonio]

Originally posted by race addicted


Thanks.

But really, my post was a meant as a joke (look at that sentence!), though at the same time it's serious. Kimi Räikkönen is unfazed by pressure, he doesn't make many mistakes at all. This will be rejected by those who see it fit; but I don't think he locked up because he felt pressure today. It was just a mistake. And bad timing.

yeah, I got double sense of your post. Although English is not my mother tongue as somebody might have expected by now, I am pretty much used to the language.

Bad timing and one more rival for Kimi, Montoya will race for the win tomorrow, he will not let Kimi go through now.

[rfus]

Watch how he drives tommorow and then you will see why he is called iceman

[Antonio]

Originally posted by jokuvaan
Emotionally he is very cool, but being cool doesnt always mean less errors. He is also far far less worried about things that could go wrong and drives more limit because of that.

He got the Iceman nick because he was very young person in F1 who acted like he didnt have any nerves. He was unique.

He was unique and still is unique, specially off the track. I cannot remember any driver with so many "incidents" recently.

[Antonio]

Originally posted by rfus
Watch how he drives tommorow and then you will see why he is called iceman

Ah, I love fanboyism....

[xype]

Originally posted by rfus
Watch how he drives tommorow and then you will see why he is called iceman

Will you come back if he messes up so we can make fun of you? Or will you only come back if he wins?

[RiDE]

Originally posted by Menace


Yes it is. From both sides (que thread starter).

But when it's bashing Ferrari or MS it's fine right?

[xype]

Originally posted by Antonio


He was unique and still is unique, specially off the track. I cannot remember any driver with so many "incidents" recently.

Hm. That leads me to the question whether he's called "iceman" because he always takes his drinks with double the ice?

[Antonio]

Originally posted by RiDE


But when it's bashing Ferrari or MS it's fine right?

Bashing's never right. period.

[Menace]

Kimi is quite the hot-head, really. It doesn't translate in the PC's but I suspect his got a fiery temper.

I think jokuvaan has (partially)hit the nail on the head. Just watch Kimi drive, always on the edge but still keeps it amazingly clean. He is also suppose to have an uncanny ability to shrug things off and clear his head after an incident.

[Menace]

Originally posted by RiDE


But when it's bashing Ferrari or MS it's fine right?

Did I say that?

Find one post that I have bashed MS with ever on this BB?

[RiDE]

Originally posted by Menace


Did I say that?

Find one post that I have bashed MS with ever on this BB?

I wasn't referring to just you, but I think you know very well that a majority of this forum don't like Ferrari and/or Michael that's why when I saw what you said I find it funny that someone would say that around here.

[Menace]

Originally posted by RiDE


I wasn't referring to just you, but I think you know very well that a majority of this forum don't like Ferrari and/or Michael that's why when I saw what you said I find it funny that someone would say that around here.

If you look carefully, I suspect you might see me arguing on your side on those threads.

I think that when a driver gets universally accepted to be one of the best, that is when the bashers appear. So in the end, it's a compliment.

edit: this no doubt explains the "majority" you speak about with regards Michael and his 7WDC's.

[HoldenRT]

@ the amount of different reasons for his nickname. Maybe its a combination of all of the above?

[fastlegs]

The nickname "Iceman" when associated with athletes refers to keeping their cool under pressure.

Kimi has demonstrated over his career with few exceptions that he can maintain his cool and deliver good results when faced with pressure situations on the track.

Off the track, well that's another story.;)

[rfus]

Originally posted by xype


Will you come back if he messes up so we can make fun of you? Or will you only come back if he wins?

He is called iceman cause he can take set backs and drive without them affecting his race. I thought that was common knowlegde. Ron has mentioned it many times.

[Antonio]

Originally posted by rfus


He is called iceman cause he can take set backs and drive without them affecting his race. I thought that was common knowlegde. Ron has mentioned it many times.

Do u imply that because Ron mentioned it it's common knowledge?
Then, McLaren breakability is going to remain hidden for ages...

[xype]

Originally posted by rfus

He is called iceman cause he can take set backs and drive without them affecting his race. I thought that was common knowlegde. Ron has mentioned it many times.

Don't take my comments in this thread too seriously. If there's anything I admire in Kimi is that he's no drama queen about broken cars or mistakes. Contrast that to Massa, who always finds something not quite working as he'd liked in qualifying and races and I know who I'd put my money on if they were in a championship deciding race situation.

[prty]

As far as I know, that nickname came from his first win at Malaysia, where he said he didn't feel anything special. Since then people call him Iceman. And to be honest, it's just a nickname, like magic Senna or whatever, who cares about that?

[Menace]

Originally posted by prty
As far as I know, that nickname came from his first win at Malaysia, where he said he didn't feel anything special. Since then people call him Iceman. And to be honest, it's just a nickname, like magic Senna or whatever, who cares about that?

No.

It came during his first season for Mclaren.

OT: Kimi was said to be fully a sleep in his motorhome, minutes before his first ever race in F1 for Sauber.

[Antonio]

Originally posted by prty
As far as I know, that nickname came from his first win at Malaysia, where he said he didn't feel anything special. Since then people call him Iceman. And to be honest, it's just a nickname, like magic Senna or whatever, who cares about that?

Malaysia 2003, the youngest pole-sitter ever, Fernando Alonso.

[santori]

It's a misunderstanding: the word is actually "arseman". Kimi loves him the ladeez.

[rfus]

Originally posted by xype


Don't take my comments in this thread too seriously. If there's anything I admire in Kimi is that he's no drama queen about broken cars or mistakes. Contrast that to Massa, who always finds something not quite working as he'd liked in qualifying and races and I know who I'd put my money on if they were in a championship deciding race situation.

No problems, expect him to put in a good performance anyways and wouldn't be surprised if he won.

[Captain Cranckcase]

Originally posted by sek


Ok, It's quite fair to say that most of us finns don't show too much emotions.

But finns are cold people? Compared to what?

Heh, have you never been in Finland?

I was being somewhat sarcastic but basically he is called the Iceman because of the perception of Fins.

[sek]

Originally posted by monto
specially under pressure the "Iceman" tends to melt as we saw at Monza and now in Interlagos.

Pressure of what?

I'm not so sure if Monza race or Brazil Q really were that much of a nerve wreckers for Kimi. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes.

He's been on a mission impossible (car reliability) for the whole year. I would think that the real pressure comes, when the championship points gap is under 10 points and there are only few races left and he's been there.

[ivanalesi]

Originally posted by Captain Cranckcase
Hakkinen was also called the Iceman, basically cos he displayed little emotion as well, even though he cried once.

I have never thought of Mika like non emotianal, I just watched The Team - A season with McLaren from 1993, he was clearly under a lot of pressure and I think it was coming from him at his 1st race with McLaren and he seemed perfectly human. I havent watch Rosberg, but I have watched a lot of finns in WRC and so far I have liked in both WRC and F1 just 3 finns - Mika, because he was cool(not in temperature of course and he fought well with Jean in 92), Salo because he was a bit crazy and quite outspoken + Marcus, he's totally mad at times - all of them are not ordinary finnish drivers:) It was odd why Kimi has Iceman on his helmet though.

[Spunout]

He's been on a mission impossible (car reliability) for the whole year. I would think that the real pressure comes, when the championship points gap is under 10 points and there are only few races left and he's been there.

Yep. He has nothing to lose. Same applies to Monza. He can take whatever risks he wants to pole & win every race since his chances for WDC are million to one.

When it comes to high pressure races, I´d choose Indianapolis 2003. Crucial race for WDC, 3-way battle between KR, JPM and MS. His performance was great.