121 replies to this topic

[Cojayar]

I always wanted to open one of those threads that lasts a long time.
A pity it was not two popular drivers in the forums. But with the pro and anti MS it can be nice.

Who was guilty? Both? MS? KA?

I give MS 60% and KA 40%. MS moved to the racing line but was having the speed all drivers have in the warm up lap. KA drove almost to racing speed and could not react properly to a constant speed car.

There were people with a banner "Schumi turn your eyes to the sky ... it's the only 1 thing bigger than you". Probably MS was doing this.

[IgnacioScarano]

KA 100%

He wanted to pass a Ferrari once in his lifetime, how MS was to know KA was comming that fast going to the GRID

Damn too fast, damn KA

Take away his license forever

[logic]

I do not know who to blame and I do not care but this was very funny

[kodandaram]

wtf is this all about ? : Did the race start early ?

[Slyder]

Originally posted by kodandaram
wtf is this all about ? : Did the race start early ?

No, and that's what's hard to believe.

[kodandaram]

oops...I thought this was a joke til i heard the commentators

[Piif]

Totally Alberses fault. Ubelievable.

For those who didn't see it: on the formation lap, Albers just drove straight to the sidepod of Schumacher. Michael lost a wheel, don't know what happened to Albers.

[Arrow]

Im sick of these useless drivers who pollute the grid these days that cannot even do the basics correctly. Dangerous fools. Clear light of day and they just RAM a driver. Dont they have eyes? Spatial awareness?
I just saw it. He just drove through michael like he wasnt even there. Amazing.

[logic]

Originally posted by Piif
Totally Alberses fault. Ubelievable.

For those who didn't see it: on the formation lap, Albers just drove straight to the sidepod of Schumacher. Michael lost a wheel, don't know what happened to Albers.

Ehh.. MS did chop straight to albers car. MS was like missile targetet to hit Albers. Albers drove straight, MS did change line just when Albers was there. Of course he might not have seen him but why why change line???

[checkonetwo]

michael suddenly turned to the left while driving very slowly, clearly not using the mirrors. 70 % michaels fault.

[Arrow]

Originally posted by logic

Ehh.. MS did chop straight to albers car. MS was like missile targetet to hit Albers. Albers drove straight, MS did change line just when Albers was there. Of course he might not have seen him but why why change line???

Doesnt really matter why because they were not racing, and the guy behind has full view and should be wary of what the car infront is doing.

[SB]

Shown in the replay -- Schumi has broken his left-front suspenion rather than the rear-end of the car

so it better suggests that it was schumi suddenly changed line instead of rammed by someone from behind ...

[ensign14]

Originally posted by Arrow
Im sick of these useless drivers who pollute the grid these days that cannot even do the basics correctly. Dangerous fools. Clear light of day and they just RAM a driver. Dont they have eyes? Spatial awareness?

Yeah, idiots doing very low speeds just driving straight onto the racing line with no regard to drivers doing racing speed. Morons.

The replay suggested MS moved onto Albers' line. But that was one angle. Did not see any blue flags.

[logic]

Originally posted by Arrow

Doesnt really matter why because they were not racing, and the guy behind has full view and should be wary of what the car infront is doing.

Ok, knowing this should make MS happy

[Peter Perfect]

Originally posted by checkonetwo
michael suddenly turned to the left while driving very slowly, clearly not using the mirrors. 70 % michaels fault.

Yep. Just seen it. MS crossed from one side of the track to the other while going slowly (to save fuel). CA coming round at a decent speed couldn't decide which side to go when he saw MS in the middle of the track so they hit.

[ensign14]

Originally posted by Peter Perfect
CA coming round at a decent speed couldn't decide which side to go when he saw MS in the middle of the track so they hit.

"The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I hit him."

[Peter Perfect]

Originally posted by ensign14
"The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I hit him."

[CaptnMark]

Our commentator said that Ferrari mechanics were ready for MS even before crash because he was supposed to have gearbox problems.

[Ricardo F1]

Judging by the race it seems Michael wanted to get a flight home early as possible.

[IgnacioScarano]

[carbonfibre]

Hehe i guess so, just too get this nightmare over with.;)

I would say it was Albers fault. Normally drivers do very slow outlaps too the grid just too save fuel for the race. Albers was driving on full race speed there and he was the guy that came from behind so he should have avoided the incident.

Yes Michael did move over but that was because of the next corner, by the time he saw Albers the Minardi was flying over his left front wheel already.

[mclarenroxxors]

100% Michael Schumachers fault. That drivers "usually" drive slow is no excuse for driving like a drunk driver.

[Deeq]

@McBLIND ABOVE^^^^, so predictable, so precise and so wrong..

[Arska]

Any video of the incident?

[Schuting Star]

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Judging by the race it seems Michael wanted to get a flight home early as possible.

That was my reaction as well he didn't sound that sorry to be out of the race either.

[Tomecek]

Originally posted by Cojayar
I always wanted to open one of those threads that lasts a long time.

You took it away from me!

Schumi in fault IMO.

[Tomecek]

Originally posted by IgnacioScarano
KA 100%

He wanted to pass a Ferrari once in his lifetime, how MS was to know KA was comming that fast going to the GRID

Damn too fast, damn KA

Take away his license forever

You know his first name is Christijan, do you?

[Tomecek]

http://www.volny.cz/gigini/albers.avi

[Tomecek]

Clearly Schum's fault.

[Arska]

Thx Tomecek. Yes, clearly a baffling move by Schumi. If he didn't feel like racing, he could have just parked his car in the garage instead of causing a dangerous crash.

[Umpire]

I don't think anyone can claim Schumacher did it on purpose....

A bad call definitely though, I guess he didn't bother looking at his mirrors, but nobody does when they know they have a clear track behind...

Still, if I have to blame someone, it'll be MS.

[ademm]

Originally posted by Tomecek
Clearly Schum's fault.

What dont you just list whatever is NOT Schumachers fault? It would save you some spare time.

Did you see speed difference between them? What the hell was that Minardi was doing there so fast? If MS had braked it would be MS' fault but he didnt even brake.

[AndrewNystrom]

You can drive how fast you want on the lap.. so i dont see it as CA fault.

[RiDE]

Originally posted by ademm


What dont you just list whatever is NOT Schumachers fault? It would save you some spare time.

Did you see speed difference between them? What the hell was that Minardi was doing there so fast? If MS had braked it would be MS' fault but he didnt even brake.

Montoya running over that drain cover while the two drivers in front of him avoided it wasn't Schumacher's fault.

Oh man, I'm going to have the fanboys all over me because even though it's the end of the season they still can't take a joke.

Speaking of jokes, I think it's one big joke that the best driver of the year didn't win the championship.

[jimpo]

Originally posted by Tomecek
http://www.volny.cz/gigini/albers.avi

Nice that it's widescreen, it looks so cinematic ;)

[MrSlow]

Originally posted by Umpire

A bad call definitely though, I guess he didn't bother looking at his mirrors, but nobody does when they know they have a clear track behind...

But how do they know they have a clear track behind if they do not use their mirrors?;)
Seriously, I think it is clear by now that Schumi DOES NOT use his mirrors. There is a fairly high number of accidents similar to this now. Is it three just this year alone?

[Konsta]

A clear lapse of thinking by MS. Mika Salo said in Finnish TV that it was MS´s mistake. And he´s known to favor Schumi.

[williams96]

I'd agree with DC and say it was always going to happen at one point.

Neither driver was wrong in what they were doing - ie driving fast and driving slow.

Christjian didn't stop which some could argue made it his fault, MS didn't use his mirrors {does he ever, why don't they just saw them off?} which could make it his fault.

At the end of the day it disadvantaged two drivers and people will argue to the moon and back about what happened, I think its a racing incident that MS could have prevented, but these things happen.

[davegp3]

Funny end to the bitter season for Schumi...

[mclarenroxxors]

why was ms off the racing line in the first place?could it be to let other drivers by while he warmed his tyres? Or was it just to pick up dirt

[Tuffy]

Originally posted by Piif
Totally Alberses fault. Ubelievable.

For those who didn't see it: on the formation lap, Albers just drove straight to the sidepod of Schumacher. Michael lost a wheel, don't know what happened to Albers.

If its someones totally fault than it was MS, as he is crawling around the track and changed his line without checking if someone is coming from behind. There is no rule that overtaking is not allowed on the way to the grid and there is no rule to get fast around the track. So its the responsible of the slower driver to have look what happens behind him and not acting as you where alone on track.

[TailG]

Funny how the usual MS-yahoos are already here defending a move which was *100%* MS's fault - no question about it. Blame CA for this and you have proved that you don't know **** about F1.

Totally bonehead move by MS, he should be penalized for this.

[LeftFront]

I have been following this forum for quite a while now. A long time without registering.
However, in all the years that I have been doing so, I notice a lack of rationality amongst a lot of those who write here.

Many sorts of comments, accusations, blames and other things, {ofcourse along with some good words) have been made about formula 1 drivers, their skills, teams and their mistakes and so on. But considering the degree of anger or disgust some of you have expressed raises questions about your own judgement. I believe and hoped that formula 1 fans today would be very mature and would weigh the facts accurately before forming opinions. I would like to ask some of you here (1) Has any of you driven a f1 car? (2) Do you know what it takes to be a f1 driver and win many titles? Surely it cannot be done by not looking in the mirrors. Surely there is a lot of skill, hardwork and experience required. I am sure everyone here is a sincere follower of the sport and love it very much, but you must put yourself in the seat of a driver to know how it is to be on the track. Some here are gokarting and doing a good job, others are techincally very knowledgable, but it is another thing to be there on a starting grid when the lights go out. In the same way, testing is a difficult thing, in its own respect.

My request is, please consider the situation before making comments that degrade someone else's skill, opinion or judgement. Today's case was very different. There is no rule as AndrewNystrom pointed out about going fast in a grid formation lap, however there is also no rule on how slow one must go. Remember that the drivers do several things on the forming lap, talking on the radio, considering tyre temperatures, oil pressure, checking engine mapping settings and so on. The drivers are let out on the track with lots of things on the mind and decisions to make and there is good reason to believe that you "cruise" on the way to your grid position, making sure all systems on the car are ok. It is not mean't to test the speed of the car, but more so to check it before launch. Today's incident was extremely unfortunate with respect to the outcome but these things do happen now and then. Its about carrying on with the job and doing it as well as possible. To say harsh words about any driver is wrong because no one here was in either seat and doesn't know what happened. Young drivers will learn, as will Christijan out of this situation and next time he will hopefully be more careful when out on track.

Thank You.

[Tom Brady]

100% Schumacher's fault.

[kismet]

I thought I'd missed the race start when I switched on the tv and the first thing on screen was MS limping around on three(ish) wheels. Was a fittingly tragicomic start to an impressive cavalcade of bizarre incidents that was the race.

[Dudley]

Originally posted by LeftFront
Utter trash

If you follow your post you could never post about anything ever.

Is the movie good or bad? I have no right to judge, I've never spent $100 million on a movie.

Is this steak cooked properly? I have no right to judge, I've never cooked a proper steak.

Does the new Fifa game suck as a simulation? I have no right to judge, I've never taken a penalty against Claudio Cudicini.

Follow your post and you're not allowed an opinon, strange as you express one that's horribly wrong.

It's clearly MS' fault. He suddenly changed lines.

Plus, David Coulthard, who does know how to drive an F1 car and win races agrees.

[williams96]

Originally posted by Dudley


Plus, David Coulthard, who does know how to drive an F1 car and win races agrees.

Expand on this - the fact that 20 drivers that do race these cars can never agree hardly on who causes the incidents.

So clearly racing the cars has no reflection on coming to the right conclusion.

[carbonfibre]

Wel Michael got reprimanded by the stewards.

[TailG]

Originally posted by carbonfibre
Wel Michael got reprimanded by the stewards.

Reprimanded?? Had the roles been reversed the penalty would have been MUCH stiffer.

I'd like to see someone go slap MS in the helmet for that one, he fully deserved it.

[Felix]

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