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#1 Barry Boor

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Posted 24 November 2005 - 18:50

Well, gents, I think we are finally THERE.

With help from a source very close to ( an owner ) of a recently restored H&H BRM, I have been able to match the colour on this car as closely as I think we are ever going to get. I found it after trolling through literally hundreds and hundreds of car colour slips.

I will have a good think and decide if I'm going to tell you what it is......


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Oh, alright.... ready?

The colour is a Maserati colour - code 224643 and its name is (believe it or not) RIFLE GREY!

I have had a can mixed by my local Halfords and I can tell you that it is exremely close to the colour my source provided for me.

So, there you are, get spraying you modellers.

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#2 BRM MICK

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Posted 24 November 2005 - 20:48

well done colour picture in due course please!!

mick :rotfl:

#3 Wolf

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Posted 24 November 2005 - 22:07

Speaking of B.R.M. green, I just remembered a very nice promo shot of P153 in 'A-Z of Formula Racing Cars'. I guess body is bottle-green with yellow front wings and orange rear wing (and orange tabs on front wing)- am I correct?

BTW, does anyone have that photo in colour? It'd make a splendid poster for my God-son. :D

#4 macoran

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Posted 24 November 2005 - 23:18

I have got a pic of a very dark green P153 with red front and rear wings
I'll dig out my attic and scan it in
I'll keep you posted on my progress.................the attic is.........

#5 macoran

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Posted 24 November 2005 - 23:30

found it !!!

http://img510.images...8/70p1536zj.jpg

#6 Macca

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Posted 24 November 2005 - 23:54

That won't open for me.

The shot in A-Z was a b/w, and the orange bits all rendered differently.

Here's MS's overhead from Kyalami 1970 and the front cover of Autosport which shows the colour better I think; the orange bits were all the same, I'm sure:

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Good night all

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#7 David Hyland

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 00:15

Originally posted by macoran
found it !!!

http://img510.images...8/70p1536zj.jpg

Are you sure that's green? It looks blue to me - like one of those Indy Coopers ;)

#8 macoran

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 00:23

It does look blue yes.
But if my memory serves me right this pic I have is from the
French magazine L'Automobile when they were still covering
F1 in a yearly review.
I've checked the quality of the paper and I am sure that it is
print thing. The "orange" is much "redder"as well isn't it ?
This car, it's Jackie Oliver doing the pedalling I think is the
sister car to the Pedro Rodriques one Macca has on his earlier post.

#9 David Lawson

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 10:10

Thank you very much Barry this is extremely useful information.

David

#10 Rob Ryder

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 10:28

Oh dear... another blue/green arguement :lol: :lol:

I can't remember the source of this, sorry, but GREEN

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Rob

Edited by Rob Ryder, 26 April 2019 - 20:05.


#11 Barry Boor

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 10:42

Now come on everyone, don't start this green/blue business again! :lol: It's getting too silly!

I have told you the answer - it's GREY!

#12 Rob Ryder

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 10:52

Barry, I have a number of images that PROVE it is black and white :cat:

#13 David Lawson

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 07:58

Having solved this problem Barry have you got the answer as to which Halford's spray can be used for McLaren orange?

David

#14 Barry Boor

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 10:00

I tried to post a picture of a restored Corgi B.R.M type 25 sprayed with the Maserati grey but chickened out because the colour that my digital camera says the car is, looks nothing like the colour it is when I hold it in my hand and look at it. So, a photograph is meaningless.

I must agree with David, who once said that he doesn't use a metallic green on the grounds that on a small model, the metallic-ness becomes more pronounced. He is quite right about that. However, I like my new colour and all my slot-race B.R.M's are about to be resprayed.

Also I can now get on with the resin kit Rover B.R.M I have had for months!

#15 Macca

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 18:46

McLaren orange? Surely you mean 'papaya'?

The only way I could get that (for hand-painting - sorry Barry!) was by mixing orange, yellow and white.

I found 'railway loco lining orange' is a goodish match for a BRM nose, but my camo grey-green (Humbrol #16) is fine for my littlies:

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(edit: actually that photo has come out looking a lot darker and more blue to me than when I posted it before..... :confused: )

#16 D-Type

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 22:47

BRM nose orange is a problem. The original colour has been banned as it's toxic!

#17 Wolf

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 23:40

I found this on GPL related forum. It's very appropriate for GPL, but I believe this particular shade of green is a touch too dark...

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#18 Barry Boor

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 23:52

Why is that lizard wearing half a soccer ball on its back?

#19 Macca

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Posted 27 November 2005 - 09:45

Not enough orange on its nose..............



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#20 D-Type

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Posted 27 November 2005 - 14:30

Originally posted by Macca
Not enough orange on its nose..............



Paul M

It's eaten the orange!

#21 kayemod

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Posted 27 November 2005 - 17:33

Originally posted by Macca
McLaren orange? Surely you mean 'papaya'?

The only way I could get that (for hand-painting - sorry Barry!) was by mixing orange, yellow and white.


My recollection of BRM green is that they used several different shades throughout their history. I went around the Bourne works as a teenager in the late 60s, and the paint they were using then was a metallic green from the Aston Martin road car range, I read the name off a can. I digress, but that Bourne works was a fascinating place, redbrick with a hard earth floor believe it or not, far from uncommon in factories in those days. It seemed to be staffed by large men with walrus moustaches in oily dark blue boiler suits, smoking Woodbines, and drinking strong tea from tin mugs. Bit different from the Paragon centre today, bit different from other racing shops even back in those days in fact, and I visited a few.

I know more about McLaren orange, and the original colour was a polyester pigment from the Rylands range called Traffic Yellow, they still produce the very same shade today, though I don't think it has a BS number. It was one of the standard colour range at bodywork moulders Specialised Mouldings in Huntingdon, and many other cars, Chevrons, Lolas, Brabhams etc used exactly the same shade. Bruce liked a customer's car so much, that they chose it as their standard colour. They never called it papaya though, that name was only used by journalists like Doug Nye. They referred to it as McLaren orange, and later in deference to a major sponsor, Gulf orange, but it was still the same old Rylands Traffic Yellow.