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[inaki]

Pedro in an interview to spanish sports newspaper Marca:

Interview to Pedro De la Rosa


Main ideas are:

"Driving (a new 2006 engine) it is easier, much less demanding physically"

"We lost 600 cc. It´s not a V10 vs a V8, but a 3 liter engine against a 2.4, which is more important"

Q.- How does it change driving style of a V8 compared to a V10 ??

PDLR.- "I think is much easier. Physically is less demanding. Now you complete a test day of 100 laps like nothing. It´s like if you ask a marathonist for doing every kilometer at a pace of 3:20 instead of 3:15. It takes out all the adrenaline and the technique to drive a F1 car. For me, it´s closer to a GP2

Q.- Don´t you agree then with changes introduced by FIA ?

PDLR.- "If the power drop would have been parallel to a reduction of aerodinamic downforce, the car would still be funny to drive. But if the car it´s the same and they take out 200 HP, it´s very easy. It clings like a leech. I think they went too far reducing that much power, they would have reduced also 20% of aerodinamic downforce."
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Do you think that these facts will narrow differences among drivers during 2006 F1 season ??

Will better drivers have less chances to make a difference vs worse ones ??

[Naushad78]

No one really knows how the race will go come Bahrain. Some are saying that the loss in power isin't that great and is expected to be clawed back by the end of the coming season. If that's the case, then it's no big deal. By the time we get to mid-season, I'm expecting that the cars will pick up the pace and be fun again.

Frankly, I'm getting so tired of all this that I'm just hoping for better racing. I don't care how that happens as long as it does.

[stalix]

better drivers have more of 600 cv ? respect .

[Gemini]

It's easier to do 100 lonely laps in testing doing 90% max pace for engine milage. But whether it will be easier in racing?

More or less power, there is always limit of the grip. If you are on that grip limit it's never easy... And let's be honest, how many times recently those folks were loosing their cars on accelaration? with present TC is very rare..

And I bet. Let Pedro race in Bahrain in 2006 and he will outbrake himself as many times as he did in 2005

[Fortymark]

Originally posted by Gemini
It's easier to do 100 lonely laps in testing doing 90% max pace for engine milage. But whether it will be easier in racing?

More or less power, there is always limit of the grip. If you are on that grip limit it's never easy... And let's be honest, how many times recently those folks were loosing their cars on accelaration? with present TC is very rare..

And I bet. Let Pedro race in Bahrain in 2006 and he will outbrake himself as many times as he did in 2005

If you can have the pedal to the metal in the corners also you can relax there too and not only on the straights..;)

[pca]

Originally posted by Gemini
And I bet. Let Pedro race in Bahrain in 2006 and he will outbrake himself as many times as he did in 2005

Yeah. He was the only driver who made mistakes that race and all this last season. He would have been better quiet. We do not need him, because we have this forum plenty of people with more F1 knowledge and experience.

Seriously, we can disagree with his opinion, but he is a driver and we are not. Please, I think it would be better to be more respectful with a driver opinion just, just... because F1 is his work. So from my point of view, it is unnecessary to disqualify.

My opinion: I agree with him. Simply, I think it is easier to do something with more time than you were used to. Id est, I think they will feel like they were driving in slow motion comparing with the last year.

[roadie]

I am glad that someone has come forward to say this. It is obvious that the cars are going to be easier to drive than last year and because of this, the races will probably be less interesting.

I think that the reduction in power would be fine under certain circumstances (look at GPM) but the FIA have done nothing for the next season to correct the imbalace that the cars wil have:

- more downforce
- softer tyres
- better electronics
- less power

Everyone excited?

[angst]

Originally posted by roadie
I am glad that someone has come forward to say this. It is obvious that the cars are going to be easier to drive than last year and because of this, the races will probably be less interesting.

I think that the reduction in power would be fine under certain circumstances (look at GPM) but the FIA have done nothing for the next season to correct the imbalace that the cars wil have:

- more downforce
- softer tyres
- better electronics
- less power

Everyone excited?

With any high downforce car, especially one reliant for the majority of it's downforce from wings, there is a balance to be reached between downforce and drag. The cars being less powerful, and especially lacking torque, will require the teams to re-assess their downforce settings. Also, because of the reduction in power, getting it right will be very important - as Jenson Button and Jacques Villeneuve have already intimated, mistakes will be more costly because the 'grunt' isn't there to help the driver out as much. Because of TC, good corner exit speed is relativley easy to accomplish (it's interesting that Valentino Rossi's times at Fiorano are different mainly from corner entry/mid-corner speed difference - his exit speeds are very similar to Schumacher's), corner entry and retaining speed through the mid-section will be the order of the day - balanced against the fact that you will have far less of that 'grunt' to drag great big wings down the straights.

The best drivers will be able to set their cars up far 'looser' than their opponents, with less drag and higher straight line speed, and still retain good entry and mid-corner speed - and they will make fewer mistakes than their lesser rivals in doing this. I think that, if anything, the drop in power/torque will increase the differentials between the best and the not quite the best drivers. If F1 wasn't so reliant on aerodynamics and didn't have TC then I'd say it was a no-brainer that less power = easier to drive, but it's not as simple as that.

[GregorV]

Spot on! I believe Pedro is right when he says that it's easier to control the car, but whether it's easier to race the car is another matter altogether. Mistakes will be more costly and the mid-corner speed will become that much more important. Since TC was helping on the exits in the 3.0l cars anyway, I expect driver involvement to be more, not less in these cars.

[Mauseri]

Pedro should just shut up. Engine power hasn't been reduced during 15 years at all. Aero side has seen much more dramatical reducements and these days the cars are fast on straigths, quite slow in corners. What does he want? Go very fast in straight and cruise corners?

Yeez he isn't even racing...

[Enkei]

Originally posted by micra_k10
Pedro should just shut up. Engine power hasn't been reduced during 15 years at all. Aero side has seen much more dramatical reducements and these days the cars are fast on straigths, quite slow in corners. What does he want? Go very fast in straight and cruise corners?

Yeez he isn't even racing...

Yeez, you're not even driving an F1 car at al...

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by Enkei


Yeez, you're not even driving an F1 car at al...

You either.

I can say Pedro talk bollocks just like you say ooh ooh he is so wonderfull and bright and drives an F1-car

F1 driver isn't überhuman who we should worship.

[Gemini]

Originally posted by micra_k10
Pedro should just shut up. Engine power hasn't been reduced during 15 years at all. Aero side has seen much more dramatical reducements and these days the cars are fast on straigths, quite slow in corners. What does he want? Go very fast in straight and cruise corners?

Yeez he isn't even racing...

I think there was an decrease from 3.5L to 3.0L 1994 to 1995... just for the record

[Gemini]

Originally posted by pca


Yeah. He was the only driver who made mistakes that race and all this last season. He would have been better quiet. We do not need him, because we have this forum plenty of people with more F1 knowledge and experience.

Seriously, we can disagree with his opinion, but he is a driver and we are not. Please, I think it would be better to be more respectful with a driver opinion just, just... because F1 is his work. So from my point of view, it is unnecessary to disqualify.

My opinion: I agree with him. Simply, I think it is easier to do something with more time than you were used to. Id est, I think they will feel like they were driving in slow motion comparing with the last year.

Funny how you take out my right to "disagree" and reserve yours to "agree" with one's opinion.
I guess you have more laps in F1 car behind you that I do..

By the way, do you really believe that laptimes will be that much slower in 2006...1 sec? 2sec? is this what you call "driving in slow motion"?

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by Gemini
I think there was an decrease from 3.5L to 3.0L 1994 to 1995... just for the record

Watch the horsepower figure. They weren't over 950 with either displacement.

[Gemini]

But they dropped, didn't they?

[SeanValen]

Originally posted by inaki
Pedro in an interview to spanish sports newspaper Marca:

Interview to Pedro De la Rosa


Main ideas are:

"Driving (a new 2006 engine) it is easier, much less demanding physically"

"We lost 600 cc. It´s not a V10 vs a V8, but a 3 liter engine against a 2.4, which is more important"

Q.- How does it change driving style of a V8 compared to a V10 ??

PDLR.- "I think is much easier. Physically is less demanding. Now you complete a test day of 100 laps like nothing. It´s like if you ask a marathonist for doing every kilometer at a pace of 3:20 instead of 3:15. It takes out all the adrenaline and the technique to drive a F1 car. For me, it´s closer to a GP2

Q.- Don´t you agree then with changes introduced by FIA ?

PDLR.- "If the power drop would have been parallel to a reduction of aerodinamic downforce, the car would still be funny to drive. But if the car it´s the same and they take out 200 HP, it´s very easy. It clings like a leech. I think they went too far reducing that much power, they would have reduced also 20% of aerodinamic downforce."
---------------------------------------------------------------

Do you think that these facts will narrow differences among drivers during 2006 F1 season ??

Will better drivers have less chances to make a difference vs worse ones ??

I bascially did the same thread, not nitpicking, but already some points made here:

http://forums.autosp...&threadid=84315

[Enkei]

Originally posted by micra_k10

You either.

I can say Pedro talk bollocks just like you say ooh ooh he is so wonderfull and bright and drives an F1-car

Quote me on that please... I did not say anything alike, you did

[HBoss]

His comments are worrying, IMO.

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by Enkei
Quote me on that please... I did not say anything alike, you did

There is a thing called reading between lines. You don't need to write all down and we can make up what you said.

[De Weberis]

Once again GT cars will be faster than F1.
The sad thing is FIA will start issuing dull regulations to divide (to conquer) again the GT cathegories to avoid F1 broadcasting competition.

[KenC]

Originally posted by inaki
Pedro in an interview to spanish sports newspaper Marca:

Interview to Pedro De la Rosa


Main ideas are:

"Driving (a new 2006 engine) it is easier, much less demanding physically"

"We lost 600 cc. It´s not a V10 vs a V8, but a 3 liter engine against a 2.4, which is more important"

Q.- How does it change driving style of a V8 compared to a V10 ??

PDLR.- "I think is much easier. Physically is less demanding. Now you complete a test day of 100 laps like nothing. It´s like if you ask a marathonist for doing every kilometer at a pace of 3:20 instead of 3:15. It takes out all the adrenaline and the technique to drive a F1 car. For me, it´s closer to a GP2

Q.- Don´t you agree then with changes introduced by FIA ?

PDLR.- "If the power drop would have been parallel to a reduction of aerodinamic downforce, the car would still be funny to drive. But if the car it´s the same and they take out 200 HP, it´s very easy. It clings like a leech. I think they went too far reducing that much power, they would have reduced also 20% of aerodinamic downforce."
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Do you think that these facts will narrow differences among drivers during 2006 F1 season ??

Will better drivers have less chances to make a difference vs worse ones ??

It's always been about the power to weight ratio. Many observers have opined that the power to weight ratio should be high in F1 in order to make the driving hard. If it's too low, then everyone can drive an F1 car flat thru Eau Rouge and 130R. And, when I say, "weight", I refer to not just the car's weight, but the aerodynamic weight, because that's what downforce is, it's aero weight.

An example, is Formula Atlantic. The reason why in the recent past, many CART owners would not hire Atlantics drivers is that they considered the power to weight ratio too low to prepare the drivers properly for the jump to Champcars. The new formula for the coming season is supposed to match the power to weight ratio of a Champcar, and provide a real test of which drivers have the ability to make the jump. And given the $2Million prize for winning this coming year, we should see a much improved field, not seen since the likes of Rosburg, Villeneuve, Hunt and Rahal all raced Formula Atlantic together. Okay, I'm hoping!

[inaki]

Originally posted by SeanValen






I bascially did the same thread, not nitpicking, but already some points made here:

http://forums.autosp...&threadid=84315

I didn´t see it Sean, otherwise I wouldn´t have opened it.

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by Fortymark
If you can have the pedal to the metal in the corners also you can relax there too and not only on the straights..;)

But if those corners which previously werent flat, you may now do flat with risk. Is it easier?

And any mistake there will cost more!