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[f1rules]

My quess is that it will be tested for the first time on the 24th of january. Mclaren has published on their page that they will be testing 4 days at valencia. As far as i know, other teams are going to be testing at barcelona at that time. And as we all know, mclaren usually likes to keep the first test of a new car for themselves.
But it is just a quess

[jokuvaan]

Turun Sanomat says its a private test. Also that Newey has very high desires to prove that he will do things properly until the end.

[klover]

Originally posted by jokuvaan
Turun Sanomat says its a private test. Also that Newey has very high desires to prove that he will do things properly until the end.

Is Newey still at McLaren working on the 21? Last time I checked he was off the web site. I remember he was out of Williams as soon as it became known that he signed up for McLaren

[f1rules]

told you soo,

[roadie]

Seems it will be orage too, at least for testing anyway. Can't wait to see pics of this thing!

[f1rules]

odd, the mclaren page now says that they are testing at barcelona that week, they have changed it, just a couple of days ago it said they were testing at valencia, either the car is delayed or they are playing with us

EDIT:

The official valencia homepage confirms that mclaren indeed has booked the valencia circuit eksclusive from the 24-27th january
http://www.circuitva...0611BeL3PMmLL-4

[WACKO]

Newey will start working for Red Bull from Monday, so he finishes things now at McLaren.

[carbonfibre]

I don't think McLaren is letting Newey work on the MP4/21 now. That way he would know too much when he goes to Red-Bull.

[Clatter]

Originally posted by carbonfibre
I don't think McLaren is letting Newey work on the MP4/21 now. That way he would know too much when he goes to Red-Bull.

I agree he is probably not working on it, but I'm also sure there is nothing he dosent know about it either.

[WACKO]

Originally posted by carbonfibre
I don't think McLaren is letting Newey work on the MP4/21 now. That way he would know too much when he goes to Red-Bull.

Err... Newey has been involved in the design of the MP4/21 as much as he has ever been in a McLaren design. He knows the car to the core. It doesn't matter whether they would have him around until now, until the end of February or even whether they had send him away by early December. That's the reason for the suspension of his gardening leave too. There is nothing substantial that he can do for Red Bull in the few weeks ahead until the Bahrain GP and there is not much that they can hide for him either, because he has been part of the design process.

[Timstr11]

Originally posted by carbonfibre
I don't think McLaren is letting Newey work on the MP4/21 now. That way he would know too much when he goes to Red-Bull.

Hellooooo!!!! The inception of an F1 car starts at least a year in advance. It's not like they started working on the car a few weeks ago. So in that respect Adrian Newey knows all about the Mp4-21 as he was part of the design team. From inception to the final product.

[carbonfibre]

Ofcourse i know he had a big hand in designing the car but believe me the minute McLaren knew Newey was off too Red Bull Newey has been put off the MP4/21

Why would they allow Newey too develop it further when he is going to take all that data with him too Red Bull allowing them too gain advantage off it.

Newey has been put off the development the minute he signed the contract with Red Bull.

[rodlamas]

Talking about the MP4/21, IMHO, it will come on the 24th of January in the hands of KR at the Barcelona circuit.

[rodlamas]

Originally posted by f1rules
odd, the mclaren page now says that they are testing at barcelona that week, they have changed it, just a couple of days ago it said they were testing at valencia, either the car is delayed or they are playing with us

EDIT:

The official valencia homepage confirms that mclaren indeed has booked the valencia circuit eksclusive from the 24-27th january
http://www.circuitva...0611BeL3PMmLL-4

on the mclaren.com website the team is set to be testing on the Barcelona circuit from the 24th till the 27th of January

[F1Fanatic.co.uk]

Glad to hear they're going to be running the car in orange as they did when they changed liveries for '97 - nice to see both McLaren & Williams harking back to their roots with their off-season paint schemes. You can't really do that if you're a soft drink manufacturer!

[f1rules]

really, how can you bee so (me ) ..???? something, offcourse newey knows everything about the mp4-21, he has been working on it since mid 05, letting him go so early is just a good gesture from mclaren. they know he cant influence this years red bull car to a degree where they would be a thread.

Here is a qoute from newey.

"For me it's obviously going to be a bit of a funny year, because I will not now be involved with the development of the car I was most heavily involved in,"

About the launch date, i still believe they'll test it on the 24jan at valencia

Edit.

Just read your post wacko, i couldn't agree more, right on the spot

[Uxoros]

Just read again from Auto-Hebdo french magazine that the Tombazis move to Ferrari for 2006 would be "done".

[HP]

I hope the end livery looks not too orange. The recent McLaren livery looked much nicer to me. And orange reminds me in more than one way of Arrows.

[HP]

Originally posted by Uxoros
Just read again from Auto-Hebdo french magazine that the Tombazis move to Ferrari for 2006 would be "done".

I believe it when I see it... Like the Yeti.










For those not understanding my reference to the Yeti

In 1925 a Greek photographer and member of the Royal Geographical Society named N. A. Tombazi glimpsed a creature he later described as "exactly like a human being, walking upright and stopping occasionally to uproot or pull some dwarf rhododendron bushes." Tombazi, who was at about 15,000 feet up in the mountains, later reached the spot where he sighted the creature, only to also find some intriguing tracks in the snow.

[f1rules]

there is some articles on turun, i hope someone will translate

[jokuvaan]

Assembly of MP4-21 started 19 of December, crash test will be next week.

Competitivity of the new engine has been reasonable but its not reliable at all.

[rodlamas]

Originally posted by f1rules
there is some articles on turun, i hope someone will translate

I don't speak finnish but i think there's something that the first outing will be on the 17th on Jerez or on the 24th in Barcelona.

That makes total sense, as Kimi is confirmed for the 24th, and no driver is confirmed for the 17th. If the car is ready by the 17th, Kimi will drive it, otherwise, he will get one more week at home.

[Tubbs]

Originally posted by rodlamas

I don't speak finnish but i think there's something that the first outing will be on the 17th on Jerez or on the 24th in Barcelona.

That makes total sense, as Kimi is confirmed for the 24th, and no driver is confirmed for the 17th. If the car is ready by the 17th, Kimi will drive it, otherwise, he will get one more week at home.

I would think McLaren would first want Kimi to sample V8 power on the old car because AFAIK he has not driven even one meter with the MO108S V8.

[lustigson]

Originally posted by Tubbs
... McLaren ... MO108S V8.

Is the new engine really the MO108S? I'd expect it to be the FO108A, named like the 'old' FO110R V10s.

[Tubbs]

Originally posted by lustigson

Is the new engine really the MO108S? I'd expect it to be the FO108A, named like the 'old' FO110R V10s.

I'm not too sure. TS gives that designation.. :

[Al.]

Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
Glad to hear they're going to be running the car in orange as they did when they changed liveries for '97 - nice to see both McLaren & Williams harking back to their roots with their off-season paint schemes. You can't really do that if you're a soft drink manufacturer!

Test livery on a MP4-20 now at A-A

I like it, I thought the orange livery in 97 was great as well.

[zac510]

I love it because it makes it much easier to 'read' the aerodynamics!

[AyePirate]

I also noticed in the orange mclaren pics that a modern F1 garage looks like a kitchen.

[Cittànuova]

Looks really nice! (the orange MP4-20)

[roadie]

Originally posted by roadie
Seems it will be orange too, at least for testing anyway. Can't wait to see pics of this thing!

I have now seen pics and I think I am going to be sick. That's really not a terribly attractive orange colour. However, it does make the different feature of the car easier to discern.

[Hyatt]

McLaren trying to expand their fanbase with the dutches?

[AyePirate]

For Perspective

http://www.mathewsco...McLaren_M6A.htm

Bruce McLaren's Championship Winning Can-Am car

[Tubbs]

Orange MP4-13

[kismet]

Spoken as someone who doesn't really see the point of orange, that shade's certainly not as ew! as it could be.


Edit: Incidentally, that pic of the MP4-13, however.... my eyes, my eyes! Ew!

[Dudley]

Originally posted by Al.


Test livery on a MP4-20 now at A-A

I like it, I thought the orange livery in 97 was great as well.

It's much much MUCH too bright.

[Jhope]

It's the lighting in the factory. I can very much bet that it's the exact same shade used in 1997 and 1998.

[rubyto]

Originally posted by Hyatt
McLaren trying to expand their fanbase with the dutches?

No - the colour originate fra the New Zealand national bird Kiwi, Bruce McLaren is from the Kiwi district in New Zealand... and decision-making to show where he oridinate came from...

Ind the start he have a logo on the side of the racer called "speedy Kiwi"

McLaren have use the colour nearly every year sence Bruce died, on there launch colour before they present the race colour for the year.

Ruby

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by roadie

I have now seen pics and I think I am going to be sick. That's really not a terribly attractive orange colour. However, it does make the different feature of the car easier to discern.

Yeah, now it can be seen how beautiful shapes it has. Masterpiece of fluid dynamics. Pity it didn't win any championships.

[kayemod]

Originally posted by rubyto


No - the colour originate fra the New Zealand national bird Kiwi, Bruce McLaren is from the Kiwi district in New Zealand... and decision-making to show where he oridinate came from...

Ind the start he have a logo on the side of the racer called "speedy Kiwi"

McLaren have use the colour nearly every year sence Bruce died, on there launch colour before they present the race colour for the year.

Ruby

Wrong I'm afraid, and the explanation is much simpler. That orange colour was originally a polyester pigment produced by Llewellyn Ryland who still sell it under the name Traffic Yellow. It was one of the standard colour range at Specialised Mouldings of Huntingdon, who were by far the biggest players in the race car bodywork business in those days. Bruce McLaren was finalising the design of his M6A Can Am cars in 1966/7, and when visiting SM, he saw a Lola T70 being finished for (from dim & distant memory) Hugh Dibley. It was Traffic Yellow, and Bruce liked it and decided to have all his bodywork that colour from that point on, Can Am, F2 & F1, before that time McLarens had been red. Coincidentally it was also associated with then sponsors Gulf Oil, which is why it was often called Gulf orange at the time, remember the centre stripe on much later Gulf Porsches and Mirages? F1 bodies haven't been made of fibreglass for a long time, but in memory of company founder Bruce McLaren, they've used the same shade of orange or something very close to it ever since, though usually only until sponsor schemes were finalised.

Oh, and that 'Speedy Kiwi' logo was always in dark blue to contrast with the orange.

[rfus]

Can't say I like it, to me it makes the mp4-20 go from one of the best looking cars on the grid (west livery) to one of the worst. I guess it is good to see them get a nod to the past in, in these days where the sponsor is all important in deciding livery.

[Nazzz]

im a mclaren fan....and i dont really like the livery although i can put up with it for testing ..... i think its orrrrite....wot i really like is the way you can now see the shape of the car...the car looks beautiful

ive jst noticed how thin the side walls are at the entrence to the sidepods.

[kayemod]

Originally posted by rfus
I guess it is good to see them get a nod to the past in, in these days where the sponsor is all important in deciding livery.

I've always found the occasions where McLaren have reverted to their old colour for new car launches, rather touching. It's little recognised that Ron Dennis is an old sentimentalist at times. I remember that at one new car launch some years ago, they had Bruce's widow Pat McLaren along to unveil an orange MP4.

[rubyto]

Originally posted by kayemod


Wrong I'm afraid, and the explanation is much simpler. That orange colour was originally a polyester pigment produced by Llewellyn Ryland who still sell it under the name Traffic Yellow. It was one of the standard colour range at Specialised Mouldings of Huntingdon, who were by far the biggest players in the race car bodywork business in those days. Bruce McLaren was finalising the design of his M6A Can Am cars in 1966/7, and when visiting SM, he saw a Lola T70 being finished for (from dim & distant memory) Hugh Dibley. It was Traffic Yellow, and Bruce liked it and decided to have all his bodywork that colour from that point on, Can Am, F2 & F1, before that time McLarens had been red. Coincidentally it was also associated with then sponsors Gulf Oil, which is why it was often called Gulf orange at the time, remember the centre stripe on much later Gulf Porsches and Mirages? F1 bodies haven't been made of fibreglass for a long time, but in memory of company founder Bruce McLaren, they've used the same shade of orange or something very close to it ever since, though usually only until sponsor schemes were finalised.

Oh, and that 'Speedy Kiwi' logo was always in dark blue to contrast with the orange.

why did they call Bruce and Denny Humle for the "The great Kiwi combination" when they dominate the World racing serie in 60`s ?




http://www.nzedge.co...es/mclaren.html
story about Bruce

http://www.findartic...181/ai_76814696
story about first time steve rossi joint McLaren he told the bird (Kiwi) is from New Zealand... but just that the orange colour is fra the first PanAm and Formula one race...


http://www.mathewsco...McLaren_M1B.htm
"The M1B body was designed by English motorsport artist Michael Turner. He also created the Team McLaren badge, using an image of the Kiwi, the iconic New Zealand flightless bird."

http://photoblog.jef...top_of_this.php
here the call the colour for Hulme orange

http://8w.forix.com/mclaren-m2b.html
Then in 1968 the team's form quickly turned. Bruce fitted the Cosworth engine in his latest M7A design, recruited reigning Champion and fellow Kiwi Denny Hulme and picked the famous orange as its new team colour.

Hmmm it is difficult to find a credible story about the colour...

I am not sure about is is me or you there is right, dog jo have a source to you story ? I am wery interrest to the story... i hear my story for a long time ago..

[Moanaman]

Originally posted by kayemod
Wrong I'm afraid, and the explanation is much simpler. That orange colour was originally a polyester pigment produced by Llewellyn Ryland who still sell it under the name Traffic Yellow.

Ummm, I always thought that orange was the New Zealand Racing colours. Like British Racing Green

[V10 Fireworks]

Originally posted by rfus
Can't say I like it, to me it makes the mp4-20 go from one of the best looking cars on the grid (west livery) to one of the worst. I guess it is good to see them get a nod to the past in, in these days where the sponsor is all important in deciding livery.

Exactly.

The McLaren is really ugly in it's design for function over form, the black paint hides the bizarre lumpy shape. (It still looks great with the black paint of course ) but when you can see the shape of it it's really especially ugly. Look at the picture of the front three quarters, that's one seriously lumpy race car, the way the nose dips is seriously a bad case of function over form. It's annoying that people say the McLaren looks good because of the paint scheme when the nose in particular has such an awful "function only let's hide it with the black paint scheme" shape.

[Zippity]

Man I love to see the cars in the original "McLaren Orange"

The old CanAm cars sure looked pretty..............

[mrudewyc]

Orange? hehe. I thought that Jordan were back when I loaded itv-f1 just now!

[aisiai]

Originally posted by mrudewyc
Orange? hehe. I thought that Jordan were back when I loaded itv-f1 just now!

hehe, me too
just wait for the first pictures under sunlight tomorrow(I hope)

[kayemod]

Originally posted by Moanaman


Ummm, I always thought that orange was the New Zealand Racing colours. Like British Racing Green

Only by association with Bruce McLaren, try to find an orange/yellow NZ car that pre-dates Bruce. He chose the colour from a chart in 1967, the explanation really is that simple, and how do I know? I was there when he did it. It first appeared on the 1967 M6A, and in-house it was only ever known as McLaren orange. Strange how myths can develop from the simplest things, must make things very difficult for motor racing historians.

[rfus]

I was looking around sutton images for some early pictures of the r26 and found a nice gallery of the history of orange mac cars

History of Mclaren Oranage